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    More: Facepalm, Batman, The New Batman Adventures, Harley Quinn, Film, Paul Dini, DC animated universe, Warner Bros., DC Comics  
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1630 clicks; posted to Entertainment » on 04 Feb 2023 at 6:32 PM (6 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2023-02-04 6:36:08 PM  
I mean seriously. There have been people saying this for YEARS right here and on Twitter, and damn near everywhere else.

Timm et al. have gotten these characters on a core level no-one else has approached since....well, probably since Richard Donner. Tim Burton was close with the dark funhouse vibe he brought to Batman with Keaton.

/subby
 
2023-02-04 6:40:57 PM  
I mean, maybe they just didn't want more creepy 'romance' between Bruce and Barbara. Timm seems weirdly into that.
 
2023-02-04 6:48:38 PM  

LordJiro: I mean, maybe they just didn't want more creepy 'romance' between Bruce and Barbara. Timm seems weirdly into that.


The studio probably would have nixed that had Timm written any in.
 
2023-02-04 6:51:46 PM  
I mean... he's produced some of the best stuff for the character, but the quality of the output isn't necessarily super consistent (though, in fairness, he's only made a few real stinkers out of a pretty massive bibliography), and a lot of the high points involve status-quo shakeups and character growth that's not really compatible with the infinite-franchise thing that Time Warner is going for with the IP on the live-action side.

I can kinda see someone looking over his work and deciding someone who's good at seeming super artsy to the normies while lacking the actual storytelling skill to want to actually have characters that grow or evolve in any way is a better fit for what they want movie-wise.  And they wouldn't necessarily be wrong, either-- I mean, I just described Tim Burton and Christopher Nolan's entire niche in the industry, and their versions of the character were massively popular.

Bruce Timm would produce some good movies... by taking the character off in an interesting but largely uncontrollable direction that it'd be hard to recover from, and probably giving his thematic and narrative story arcs an actual beginning, middle, and conclusive end.  That's not what superhero movies are generally going for.
 
2023-02-04 7:01:33 PM  
Paul Dini would be a good choice. 
Too bad Denny is gone.
 
2023-02-04 7:22:44 PM  
Short-sighted Suits: "What does Timm know?  He only does cartoons, and everyone knows cartoons are nothing more than kiddie shows!"
 
2023-02-04 7:29:48 PM  
One big flaw in that article is that he should just be writing a Batman movie but pretty much any DC character movie. I mean Justice League and JL Unlimited were also both awesome. The reality is that instead of going all in with Zack Snyder they should have given him the Kevin Geiger role back when Man of Steel was in development.
 
2023-02-04 7:32:22 PM  

mechgreg: One big flaw in that article is that he should just be writing a Batman movie but pretty much any DC character movie. I mean Justice League and JL Unlimited were also both awesome. The reality is that instead of going all in with Zack Snyder they should have given him the Kevin Geiger role back when Man of Steel was in development.


Meant shouldn't just be writing a Batman movie.
 
2023-02-04 7:58:32 PM  
When they gave Kevin Smith Superman, first thing he asked was why don't you guys just give it to Mike Carlin. (the editor of Superman/Action Comics at the the time.)
 
2023-02-04 8:43:13 PM  
The day is coming soon when AI will be able to animate all the old comics.  You'll be able to pick an issue, say Iron Man #81, and the AI will animate it all in minutes, if not seconds.
 
2023-02-04 8:48:05 PM  
...and I thought Disney had problems.
 
2023-02-04 9:05:39 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The day is coming soon when AI will be able to animate all the old comics.  You'll be able to pick an issue, say Iron Man #81, and the AI will animate it all in minutes, if not seconds.


But it will be a story about Iron Man picking up his dry cleaning and doing a good deed by ironing some businessman's suit while at the store, thus saving his business deal and getting him to his daughter's elementary school theater performance in time..
 
2023-02-04 10:17:38 PM  
I'm still laughing at the top 10 list, with Burton's Batman at #1.

The film was terrible and has aged poorly.
 
2023-02-04 10:20:17 PM  

Free Radical: I'm still laughing at the top 10 list, with Burton's Batman at #1.

The film was terrible and has aged poorly.


agreed. the new one was awesome. pattison all the way. loved it.
 
2023-02-04 10:22:01 PM  
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2023-02-05 12:16:23 AM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The day is coming soon when AI will be able to animate all the old comics.  You'll be able to pick an issue, say Iron Man #81, and the AI will animate it all in minutes, if not seconds.


The day will come, but for now AI is more like the difference between a photo taken with a nice camera and one taken with gobs of vasaline all over the lens in a darkened room and then drawing in the detail with crayon.  It gets the general shapes right and sometimes the colors, but all sorts of things go wrong in the details.

If it actually understood what it was doing, it could apply rules to figure out what the details should actually look like and do a much better job, but what we're calling 'artificial intelligence' these days is 100% NOT intelligent.  At all.  Since we still don't understand intelligence, we're probably going to mix current day AI with old-school expert systems at some point and get a hybrid that can outperform, say, a drooling idiot's first day on the job without any schooling.  But professionals who are turning out quality are probably safe for the remainder of their careers.

/Their kids, maybe not so much
 
2023-02-05 2:20:57 AM  
Um, because he still has zero resume doing anything besides writing and plotting animated features and series.  No film screenplays, no directing or cinematography gigs.  I know it's Hollywood and it seems like someone's hairdresser can direct a film, but the big boys don't work like that.  Also I bet his agent sucks.
 
2023-02-05 2:21:09 AM  
Dini was the main writer. Timm is the animation stylist and director. I don't know why no one talks to Dini instead
 
2023-02-05 2:26:04 AM  
"...because he was lazy and did not pursue it."
 
2023-02-05 5:14:31 AM  
I get the frustration and all that, but is the answer to this another Batman movie?
Is that the answer to anything?

It's OK to lock DC up for 20 years and plan for the next generation of movie goers.
 
2023-02-05 5:56:18 AM  

some_beer_drinker: agreed. the new one was awesome. pattison all the way. loved it.


There will never be another Batman until they can find someone who can do a Batman voice like Kevin Conroy.

Everybody else sounds like Cookie Monster, and that includes Pattison.
 
2023-02-05 7:35:36 AM  

deadsanta: Um, because he still has zero resume doing anything besides writing and plotting animated features and series.  No film screenplays, no directing or cinematography gigs.  I know it's Hollywood and it seems like someone's hairdresser can direct a film, but the big boys don't work like that.  Also I bet his agent sucks.


Brad Bird had never done anything except animation when he directed Mission Impossible Ghost Protocol. They still gave him a $145 million budget. It turned out pretty good and was a box office success. Phil Lord and Christopher Miller did a pretty good job switching from animation to live action. Even Tim Burton got his start as an animator and his 3rd live action movie was Batman.
 
2023-02-05 11:26:17 AM  

mechgreg: deadsanta: Um, because he still has zero resume doing anything besides writing and plotting animated features and series.  No film screenplays, no directing or cinematography gigs.  I know it's Hollywood and it seems like someone's hairdresser can direct a film, but the big boys don't work like that.  Also I bet his agent sucks.

Brad Bird had never done anything except animation when he directed Mission Impossible Ghost Protocol. They still gave him a $145 million budget. It turned out pretty good and was a box office success. Phil Lord and Christopher Miller did a pretty good job switching from animation to live action. Even Tim Burton got his start as an animator and his 3rd live action movie was Batman.


That's a very misleading simplification: Brad Bird had interned in old-school Disney studios as an animator and feature creator and went to film school but after one failed animation short pivoted into the screenplay and production side on both live action and animation, He worked with Steven Spielberg on Amazing Stories for 4 years and executive-produced The Simpsons for 8.  He spent 30 years writing screenplays and pitching original ideas to studio heads in Hollywood before he got a shot at directing.

In comparison, Timm seems like he is just sitting around doing his daily job and waiting for the call up, he had no formal film education and no film studio work.

It's funny you mention Tim Burton also, because he went to the same art school with John Lasseter and Brad Bird, and like Bird had an internship at the old Disney studios under the original team of classic animators and filmmakers.  Like Bird, he studied every aspect of filmmaking at Disney and worked in every aspect of their animation features, which was still run like a classic movie studio.  Burton's first live action work was Frankenweenie with Shelley Duvall and his second was Pee Wee's Big Adventure.  He hustled, he got fortunate, but he kept pushing his projects until he hit something.  You only really need one film to hit to get a big contract in Hollywood, unless you work for Troma or something.
 
2023-02-05 12:13:52 PM  

Unsung_Hero: The day will come, but for now AI is more like the difference between a photo taken with a nice camera and one taken with gobs of vasaline all over the lens in a darkened room and then drawing in the detail with crayon.  It gets the general shapes right and sometimes the colors, but all sorts of things go wrong in the details.


You sure about that?

Maybe you're not looking at the right AI-generated art forums...

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2023-02-05 12:16:28 PM  
AI Art looks pretty good to me...

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2023-02-05 12:17:27 PM  
Nope. . . Not seeing that crayon/vaseline aspect you were talking about. . .

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2023-02-05 12:20:25 PM  
But if you're talking about animation made by AI...

How To Animate A MidJourney Image (For Free)
Youtube eUqgOSKq0XU


We're there. This is the home version of the tech. Just imagine what a massive, powerful, exceedingly wealthy corporation like Warner Bros. has access to.
 
2023-02-05 1:24:57 PM  

Glitchwerks: some_beer_drinker: agreed. the new one was awesome. pattison all the way. loved it.

There will never be another Batman until they can find someone who can do a Batman voice like Kevin Conroy.

Everybody else sounds like Cookie Monster, and that includes Pattison.


i loved conroy too. but cookie monster, get a grip dude.
 
2023-02-05 3:21:41 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The day is coming soon when AI will be able to animate all the old comics.  You'll be able to pick an issue, say Iron Man #81, and the AI will animate it all in minutes, if not seconds.


Yay?
 
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