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(NBC News)   South Carolina to become first battleground state. This is not a repeat from 1861. Maybe   (nbcnews.com) divider line
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2023-02-04 2:14:36 PM  
About farking time.  Now get rid of the farking caucuses.
 
2023-02-04 3:24:42 PM  
 Really need to come up with a rotation so every state has the option to be first.  It may take a few cycles. But keeping it locked to Iowa and New Hampshire for so long skewed the overall results.
 
2023-02-04 3:57:13 PM  

BizarreMan: Really need to come up with a rotation so every state has the option to be first.  It may take a few cycles. But keeping it locked to Iowa and New Hampshire for so long skewed the overall results.


Just do it in regional blocks and rotate the order of the blocks each cycle.

And get rid of caucuses. We're trying to have an election, not pick teams for dodgeball during gym class.
 
2023-02-04 4:41:30 PM  
Is there a reason why all primaries can't be held on the same day? I live in NJ, one of the last states to vote in primaries. Kinda sucks having virtually no say in the party's nominee.
 
2023-02-04 4:49:31 PM  

Kubo: Is there a reason why all primaries can't be held on the same day? I live in NJ, one of the last states to vote in primaries. Kinda sucks having virtually no say in the party's nominee.


It would greatly benefit establishment/incumbant candidates.  Smaller campaigns just couldn't afford to compete at that level right off the bat.
 
2023-02-04 4:54:57 PM  

NeoCortex42: Kubo: Is there a reason why all primaries can't be held on the same day? I live in NJ, one of the last states to vote in primaries. Kinda sucks having virtually no say in the party's nominee.

It would greatly benefit establishment/incumbant candidates.  Smaller campaigns just couldn't afford to compete at that level right off the bat.


Good point, good point.
 
2023-02-04 5:06:09 PM  

Kubo: NeoCortex42: Kubo: Is there a reason why all primaries can't be held on the same day? I live in NJ, one of the last states to vote in primaries. Kinda sucks having virtually no say in the party's nominee.

It would greatly benefit establishment/incumbant candidates.  Smaller campaigns just couldn't afford to compete at that level right off the bat.

Good point, good point.


Which honestly makes it surprising we haven't seen them push for a single-day primary.
 
2023-02-04 5:43:22 PM  
Fun fact: South Carolina produces more peaches than Georgia, but Herschel Walker claims a lot of them were stolen.
 
2023-02-04 5:53:33 PM  
Have California, New York and Texas primary first all at once.

If the rest of the country doesn't like the results, they can form a coalition and vote for someone else.

This is the only solution.
 
2023-02-04 5:53:38 PM  
And not a single EV to be had from it.

/for what now, fifty years running?
//maybe we can let senator tim scott be the featured speaker
 
2023-02-04 5:53:55 PM  
Good.

Now do it again every four years with a different state; maybe weighting the odds of which state by population if you wanna be actually democratic about it.  I recommend one of those lottery balls thingies, just put one ball in for each Representative a given state sends to congress.

Or a moderately big hat.
 
2023-02-04 5:54:36 PM  

bighairyguy: Fun fact: South Carolina produces more peaches than Georgia, but Herschel Walker claims a lot of them were stolen.


Funner Fact: Georgia is named after George Santos.
 
2023-02-04 5:56:22 PM  
Because NH and IA are just too liberal for the DNC.
 
2023-02-04 5:57:47 PM  
If the bigshots who run the Iowa Democratic Party (not disparaging the rank n file IA voters. Just the ones "running" the party) weren't such brain-damaged sh*tclowns, this wouldn't have happened.

/Seriously. The people running the IDP really are major farking incompetent. They managed to take a blue pro-Obama state and bungle straight into full-blown MAGA domination by the Kim Reynolds regime.
 
2023-02-04 6:02:49 PM  
Super Tuesday inconsolable with its loss...
 
2023-02-04 6:04:23 PM  
The first Republican primary will be in the Kremlin.
 
2023-02-04 6:04:38 PM  
I'm good with this.  I could never understand why our presidental elections are so dependant on guys who apparently have nothing better to do than hang around in a North Hampton diner.
 
2023-02-04 6:04:48 PM  

mistahtom: bighairyguy: Fun fact: South Carolina produces more peaches than Georgia, but Herschel Walker claims a lot of them were stolen.

Funner Fact: Georgia is named after George Santos.


Santos invented peaches
 
2023-02-04 6:05:14 PM  

gameshowhost: And not a single EV to be had from it.

/for what now, fifty years running?
//maybe we can let senator tim scott be the featured speaker


Nixon's Southern Strategy still at work
 
2023-02-04 6:06:23 PM  

EnderWiggnz: mistahtom: bighairyguy: Fun fact: South Carolina produces more peaches than Georgia, but Herschel Walker claims a lot of them were stolen.

Funner Fact: Georgia is named after George Santos.

Santos invented peaches


Santos was an all-star catcher on the Rockford Peaches 🙊
 
2023-02-04 6:07:41 PM  
dint they find depleted uraniums in NC

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2023-02-04 6:08:31 PM  

The Brains: gameshowhost: And not a single EV to be had from it.

/for what now, fifty years running?
//maybe we can let senator tim scott be the featured speaker

Nixon's Southern Strategy still at work


The Third Way wing helping shaft the labor movement made things worse.

"But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?' What they wanna hear is -- so, we'll give you talking points about what we're proposing -- close tax loopholes, roll back, you know, the tax cuts for the top 1 percent. Obama's gonna give tax breaks to middle-class folks and we're gonna provide health care for every American. So we'll go down a series of talking points.

But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

Um, now these are in some communities, you know. I think what you'll find is, is that people of every background -- there are gonna be a mix of people, you can go in the toughest neighborhoods, you know working-class lunch-pail folks, you'll find Obama enthusiasts. And you can go into places where you think I'd be very strong and people will just be skeptical. The important thing is that you show up and you're doing what you're doing."

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188
 
2023-02-04 6:10:04 PM  
Thank the baby Jesus!  The open primaries of South Carolina will certainly be a more accurate litmus test for the Democratic Party nation-wide than those yokels caucusing in Iowa.

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2023-02-04 6:13:06 PM  
Oh good. Now it won't be the ignorant hayseeds of Iowa determining who gets the first momentum boost of the primary season. It will be the ignorant hayseed of South Carolina. I feel so much better.
 
2023-02-04 6:13:17 PM  
Well, we fired the first shot off the coast of South Carolina. So - there's a lot of synergy there. Buh-bye balloon!
 
2023-02-04 6:13:50 PM  

mistahtom: EnderWiggnz: mistahtom: bighairyguy: Fun fact: South Carolina produces more peaches than Georgia, but Herschel Walker claims a lot of them were stolen.

Funner Fact: Georgia is named after George Santos.

Santos invented peaches

Santos was an all-star catcher on the Rockford Peaches 🙊


He was an excellent drag-bunter.
 
2023-02-04 6:14:33 PM  

bighairyguy: The first Republican primary will be in the Kremlin.


No way, silly. That's where they'll have the convention.
 
2023-02-04 6:16:20 PM  

Poopspasm: Oh good. Now it won't be the ignorant hayseeds of Iowa determining who gets the first momentum boost of the primary season. It will be the ignorant hayseed of South Carolina. I feel so much better.


If by ignorant hayseed you mean one of the Blackest constituencies in the US, then sure, I guess.
 
2023-02-04 6:19:47 PM  

LockeOak: Poopspasm: Oh good. Now it won't be the ignorant hayseeds of Iowa determining who gets the first momentum boost of the primary season. It will be the ignorant hayseed of South Carolina. I feel so much better.

If by ignorant hayseed you mean one of the Blackest constituencies in the US, then sure, I guess.


I should add "Blackest constituencies representing an absolutely critical portion of the Democratic coalition"
 
2023-02-04 6:22:22 PM  
South Carolina?

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2023-02-04 6:23:47 PM  
Moving the first primary from a progressive state to a more conservative state first isn't something that many of us are going to take lightly.
 
2023-02-04 6:24:20 PM  

Thoreny: Moving the first primary from a progressive state to a more conservative state first isn't something that many of us are going to take lightly.


Speaking about New Hampshire, BTW
 
2023-02-04 6:27:06 PM  

BizarreMan: Really need to come up with a rotation so every state has the option to be first.  It may take a few cycles. But keeping it locked to Iowa and New Hampshire for so long skewed the overall results.


Yup, having the first primary in a state that actually matters is long overdue.
 
2023-02-04 6:29:44 PM  

Tarl3k: BizarreMan: Really need to come up with a rotation so every state has the option to be first.  It may take a few cycles. But keeping it locked to Iowa and New Hampshire for so long skewed the overall results.

Yup, having the first primary in a state that actually matters is long overdue.


Michigan is also planning to move their primary up to be third or fourth in the nation, which should be a much better time for a competitive state.
 
2023-02-04 6:33:51 PM  
You have to go back to 1976 and Jimmy Carter to see the last time S.C. voted for a Dem President.
 
2023-02-04 6:34:36 PM  
Lindsey Graham is no John C Calhoun, (or is he?). Donald Trump is no Franklin Pierce,(or is he?)
 
2023-02-04 6:37:15 PM  

aleister_greynight: About farking time.  Now get rid of the farking caucuses.


The gamecaucases?
 
2023-02-04 6:37:21 PM  

BizarreMan: Really need to come up with a rotation so every state has the option to be first.  It may take a few cycles. But keeping it locked to Iowa and New Hampshire for so long skewed the overall results.


I dread the thought of my state being first. Take the normal amount of bullshiattery you have in a given primary and multiply it by 10. Oof, no thank you.
 
2023-02-04 6:42:00 PM  

NeoCortex42: Kubo: Is there a reason why all primaries can't be held on the same day? I live in NJ, one of the last states to vote in primaries. Kinda sucks having virtually no say in the party's nominee.

It would greatly benefit establishment/incumbant candidates.  Smaller campaigns just couldn't afford to compete at that level right off the bat.


I mean, the same could be said for long, protracted campaigns over multiple states.
 
2023-02-04 6:42:04 PM  

full8me: Thank the baby Jesus!  The open primaries of South Carolina will certainly be a more accurate litmus test for the Democratic Party nation-wide than those yokels caucusing in Iowa.

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Congratulations, today you learn about "gerrymandering", "population density", and "demographics".

SC went 43% for Biden in 2020 and was key in his winning the Dem nomination.

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2023-02-04 6:46:06 PM  

DrD'isInfotainment: Lindsey Graham is no John C Calhoun, (or is he?). Donald Trump is no Franklin Pierce,(or is he?)


Calhoun may have been slavery's biggest apologist, but he had principles and he stuck to them, as opposed to Lindsey the Windsock
 
2023-02-04 6:46:45 PM  
Fun fact: the New Hampshire primary, by New Hampshire law, must precede any "similar election" in any other state. So they'll just move it back, and aside from banning their delegates (which would result in legal action) there's nothing they can do about it.

I don't see why starting in New Hampshire is a problem. In my lifetime it's always been done that way, and if you can't do well in a super vanilla, almost never controversial state you don't deserve to be the President.
 
2023-02-04 6:50:03 PM  

lordjupiter: full8me: Thank the baby Jesus!  The open primaries of South Carolina will certainly be a more accurate litmus test for the Democratic Party nation-wide than those yokels caucusing in Iowa.

[Fark user image 850x370]

Congratulations, today you learn about "gerrymandering", "population density", and "demographics".

SC went 43% for Biden in 2020 and was key in his winning the Dem nomination.

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"South Carolina voted overwhelmingly for the old, centrist white guy" and then "The state didn't even break for him in the general election" isn't exactly as strong of a point as you might think it is.  Also, you might want to think about how the average Democratic voter in South Carolina might answer a survey of their position on social issues vs. the national average for Democratic voters.
 
2023-02-04 6:55:58 PM  
My biggest complaint about S.C. is that about an hour ago I watched/ listened  to a segment on MSNBC where they interviewed a woman who filmed the balloon being shot down in the vicinity of Myrtle Beach.

And her accent, or drawl, or whatever it is was so strong and off-putting I felt like putting pencil erasers in my ears.

I understand the Pakistani or Indian tech support guy better than her.

You don't HAVE to talk like that. Make a decision, make a change for the better. Ugh.
 
2023-02-04 6:56:06 PM  
The dems are trying to catch election fraud in South Carolina.  They are planning on a democratic challenger winning the primary there.
 
2023-02-04 7:00:40 PM  

Kubo: Is there a reason why all primaries can't be held on the same day? I live in NJ, one of the last states to vote in primaries. Kinda sucks having virtually no say in the party's nominee.


In a word? Money.

In several other words? The right people are making money off of doing it this way.

It certainly isn't beneficial to voters.
 
2023-02-04 7:01:08 PM  

full8me: lordjupiter: full8me: Thank the baby Jesus!  The open primaries of South Carolina will certainly be a more accurate litmus test for the Democratic Party nation-wide than those yokels caucusing in Iowa.

[Fark user image 850x370]

Congratulations, today you learn about "gerrymandering", "population density", and "demographics".

SC went 43% for Biden in 2020 and was key in his winning the Dem nomination.

[Fark user image 850x281]

[Fark user image 349x349]

"South Carolina voted overwhelmingly for the old, centrist white guy" and then "The state didn't even break for him in the general election" isn't exactly as strong of a point as you might think it is.  Also, you might want to think about how the average Democratic voter in South Carolina might answer a survey of their position on social issues vs. the national average for Democratic voters.


Ah, "old centrist white guy".  Now I know where your head is.

You posted a misleading graphic that made it look like SC was overwhelmingly right wing.  I corrected your biased attempt at disinformation.

Sorry this upsets you.
 
2023-02-04 7:01:27 PM  

Kubo: Is there a reason why all primaries can't be held on the same day? I live in NJ, one of the last states to vote in primaries. Kinda sucks having virtually no say in the party's nominee.


In 2020, NJ had to wait till July for their primaries (pushed back from June due to the pandemic), and by that time, the primaries were all but over.

full8me: lordjupiter: full8me: Thank the baby Jesus!  The open primaries of South Carolina will certainly be a more accurate litmus test for the Democratic Party nation-wide than those yokels caucusing in Iowa.

[Fark user image 850x370]

Congratulations, today you learn about "gerrymandering", "population density", and "demographics".

SC went 43% for Biden in 2020 and was key in his winning the Dem nomination.

[Fark user image 850x281]

[Fark user image 349x349]

"South Carolina voted overwhelmingly for the old, centrist white guy" and then "The state didn't even break for him in the general election" isn't exactly as strong of a point as you might think it is.  Also, you might want to think about how the average Democratic voter in South Carolina might answer a survey of their position on social issues vs. the national average for Democratic voters.


The split in the 2020 primaries wasn't Black vs. White, but old vs. young. Older voters overwhelmingly supported Biden, younger voters overwhelmingly supported Sanders.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/05/super-tuesday-black-voters-analysis-recap

Younger voter turnout increased in 2020, it's just that the older voter turnout increased, too.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/stop-blaming-young-voters-not-turning-out-sanders/608137/
 
2023-02-04 7:02:24 PM  

LockeOak: LockeOak: Poopspasm: Oh good. Now it won't be the ignorant hayseeds of Iowa determining who gets the first momentum boost of the primary season. It will be the ignorant hayseed of South Carolina. I feel so much better.

If by ignorant hayseed you mean one of the Blackest constituencies in the US, then sure, I guess.

I should add "Blackest constituencies representing an absolutely critical portion of the Democratic coalition"


Black people explicitly said they voted for Biden last time because they were afraid any other candidate wouldn't get enough support from white Democrats.
 
2023-02-04 7:09:25 PM  

austerity101: LockeOak: LockeOak: Poopspasm: Oh good. Now it won't be the ignorant hayseeds of Iowa determining who gets the first momentum boost of the primary season. It will be the ignorant hayseed of South Carolina. I feel so much better.

If by ignorant hayseed you mean one of the Blackest constituencies in the US, then sure, I guess.

I should add "Blackest constituencies representing an absolutely critical portion of the Democratic coalition"

Black people explicitly said they voted for Biden last time because they were afraid any other candidate wouldn't get enough support from white Democrats.


It's impossible to check any parallel universes, but in this one Biden won, so maybe they were correct.
 
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