That's literally what a bond is in situations like this.  You have to put up liquid asset equal to an estimated amount opposing counsel might be expected to pay and if you lose it covers their fees.

But it also can go up.

Let's say trump'a drags it out or it gets super complicated and the opposing counsel has to hire more people to sift through evidence or whatever if the Trump team loses they'd be expected to cover that too.

Benevolent Misanthrope: pueblonative: dkulprit: That's literally what a bond is in situations like this.  You have to put up liquid asset equal to an estimated amount opposing counsel might be expected to pay and if you lose it covers their fees.

But it also can go up.

Let's say trump'a drags it out or it gets super complicated and the opposing counsel has to hire more people to sift through evidence or whatever if the Trump team loses they'd be expected to cover that too.

Which is why I'd love to be in the room with Alex Jones or MeinKampfy Pillow when the lawyers explain the requirement of a secured bond.

Yeah, but he'll just drag that out, too, demanding all kinds of proof and accusing them of over-billing, etc. He'll counter-sure. He'll drag his feet. He's a master at dragging things out, and at his age - no matter what judgements there are against him - he'll die a rich, privileged man who never faced any serious consequences.

That's not how a supersedeas/appeals bond works.  You can't stretch it out.  You lose the money being held by the surety is turned over.

Sure, he could ask for a stay to appeal higher, but he would have to request another supersedeas while he does this, but he is already almost at the highest level of federal courts as it is.

His next step would be an appeal to the 11th circuit (the same court that has ruled against the same lawyer(s) and basically called them vexacious litigants 3 times in the past 6 months?).  And they'd have to rule within 14 days of his appeal.  And the only next step after that would be SCOTUS who, despite their current makeup, would laugh this out of their courts so fast.

So even if he was to try to appeals to SCOTUS over this he would be losing it within 45 days max of the original ruling.

Troy McClure: Aquapope: Maybe I don't get it.  He was fined almost a million bucks, and he wants to put up this 110% bond against his success in the appeal.  If he paid the fine and then won the appeal, wouldn't he get the fine back anyway?  So what does this bond do?  I'm missing something only criminal masterminds understand, I guess.

The bond means he has to pony up less cash now.  It delays him paying in full.

He has to pony up more cash now.  It's for 110% of the judgement.  This isn't a bond like bonding out of jail where it's 10% and a promissory note.  This is the full 110% being handed over to a 3rd party who has to abide by the decision of the court.  If the appellant loses they have to either release the cash within 10-14 days of final judgement.

He can appeal to 11th, but 11th doesn't really like his lawyers that much and called them hacks, and would rule within 14 days, or he'd have to appeal to SCOTUS who doesn't like their time wasted with such matters.  He only has 2 steps above this, both would rule within 14 days days of each appeal and both aren't big fans of his lawsuits or his lawyers.

He isn't paying less, he is paying more, and just guaranteeing that the payment goes out if he loses.

He'd have a better chance of delaying or paying less by arguing poverty or hardships due to the Lelita James case against him with the overseer having to watch his money.  They'd have to go to court for years to straighten out the books to see if he should have to pay in full or not.

This is a PR play pure and simple.  Literally the day they lost the case Alina Habba was on right wing outlets complaining that the judge was against her and Donald and that they had such a strong case it was pure bias by the judge blah blah blah, which was then parroted by right wing pundits and talking heads.

Then she did it multiple more times between then and the fines being assessed.  Then she did it after the judge assessed the fees and hit them with the 1 mill joint and severally liable.

So that angle has been played out.  The diehard base already "know" this judge is biased against them.

But with such a "strong" case they have, when the appeals court in the 11th circuit does something, it's further "proof" that the deep state is against them and "something" needs to be done about it.

This isn't about the money, it's a way to further entrench support for trump and to further erode trust in the system by "showing" the courts are against him and cannot be trusted.... And a way to fundraise to "fight the good fight."

The sad part is that this shiat works.  People buy it.  While trump may not be as rich as he claims to be, 1 mill isn't all that much, especially when it's other people's money (the same people he is pandering to with this PR move). This is a way to rule up the base and get them to distrust the courts even more pure and simple.

This was her statement on hannity the day they lost the case.

Habba's response, as told to Sean Hannity: "Well what is the proper place for him?" Habba later said she might appeal the decision, and also that Trump had told her that the case would ultimately not be a winner and she should just drop it. "I said no. We have to fight. It's not right what happened. And you know, he was right. It's a sad day for me personally because I fought him on it and should have listened, but I don't want to lose hope in our system, I don't."

their plan and goal is blatantly obvious.  They were laying the groundwork months ago with this shiat.  They've continued laying the groundwork by hitting the circuit and talking up how strong of a case it was and how "sad" it would be to lose faith in the system by losing any further appeals.

It's clear as day what they're trying to do if you pay attention to what they're doing.

dkulprit: .....

Forgot to add:

This is why you have to pay attention to what he is saying when he and his allies are putting shiat out into the world instead of ignoring him.

With his track record it's easy to believe that he is just trying a delay tactic and hand wave it away as something that simple.  But it's more insidious than that.  Just like months before the election he was laying the groundwork for the stolen election claims by casting doubt on mail in ballots, same day voter registrations, and claiming fraud would happen this is a calculated play to erode trust in the system so people feel like they don't have any options other than "fighting back."

This all started with Habba on Hannity the day the case was thrown out saying she didn't want to lose faith but that Trump already knew this strong (see: garbage rambling) case was going to get thrown out because of bias and corruption in the system.

To today where they've already lost faith in the system and they're running out of options.

From the outside it may seem like insane ramblings of a madman, and they are, but they are still insane ramblings of a madman that are a calculated play to get his followers to feel like their only option is violence.  The same followers who have shown what they're capable and willing to do when they feel they've been "robbed".

We have already seen examples of this playing out successfully and if you pay attention instead of ignoring them you can see what's playing out and not be surprised by them.

Along with Habba "having faith she didn't want to lose" the pundits and right wing outlets have started reaching a fever pitch over this dumbass case about how they're running out of options and "something" needs to be done.  Of course they never actually say what that "something" is.  But they insinuate they don't have legal options.

This isn't actually about this case at all, they've already "proven" this judge is biased against Trump, and taking it to the appeals court which will undoubtedly be lost is further "proof" that the world is against them and trying to do this the legal and proper way won't work.

This whole case and subsequent appeals is a vehicle for "proving" to the same types of people who got violent on Jan 6th that the courts and the government can't be trusted.  Which benefits him in 2 ways.

1. If/when any sort of criminal case is brought against him, if he is found guilty, none of the rock solid evidence that was used to convict him can be trusted and he was going to be found guilty no matter what.  Just like in this case where it was a "really strong case" but was thrown out despite that and Trump "knew" that he would lose.  So it doesn't matter what the outcome of any sort of case against him is or the public evidence is, the outcome was he was already going to lose.

2. His followers and the base will have lost complete faith in the government and the system so he can call on them to do "something" if he is in legal jeopardy or he loses another election.

Which gives him a bargaining chip to "calm" the situation.