GrogSmash2: doomjesse: So not to inject reality here, but more or less in Spring the Ukrainians launch a counteroffensive.  And it drags into next Summer/Fall.  How long do you think the government's of the world will continue to back Ukraine (note: I didn't ask how long they should, but how long they will)?

As long as it takes to defang Russia.  They've been a threatening hammer looming over Europe for the last 80 years, in one guise or another.  The Soviets were a little smarter about it than the current Russian leadership, so they mostly kept to a cold war, and proxy wars.  Putin has decide he's Vlad The Great, and wants to restart the Russian Empire.

For some odd reason, Europe, and all of its allies, disagrees with this notion.  Furthermore, now that the pitiful state of the Russian Army has been revealed, there is absolutely no reason to not continue funding Ukraine's efforts to free itself, knowing it will deplete Russian past the point of no return.

At best, the broken remains become a client country under crippling sanctions for the next 50 years.  At worst, the Russian Federation shatters, and it becomes a 50+ year war zone as all the old hatreds come to bear on 'new' neighbours.

So, please, fold your opinion sharp, and ram it up the orifice of your choice shill.

GrogSmash2: qorkfiend: GrogSmash2: doomjesse: So not to inject reality here, but more or less in Spring the Ukrainians launch a counteroffensive.  And it drags into next Summer/Fall.  How long do you think the government's of the world will continue to back Ukraine (note: I didn't ask how long they should, but how long they will)?

As long as it takes to defang Russia.  They've been a threatening hammer looming over Europe for the last 80 years, in one guise or another.  The Soviets were a little smarter about it than the current Russian leadership, so they mostly kept to a cold war, and proxy wars.  Putin has decide he's Vlad The Great, and wants to restart the Russian Empire.

For some odd reason, Europe, and all of its allies, disagrees with this notion.  Furthermore, now that the pitiful state of the Russian Army has been revealed, there is absolutely no reason to not continue funding Ukraine's efforts to free itself, knowing it will deplete Russian past the point of no return.

At best, the broken remains become a client country under crippling sanctions for the next 50 years.  At worst, the Russian Federation shatters, and it becomes a 50+ year war zone as all the old hatreds come to bear on 'new' neighbours.

So, please, fold your opinion sharp, and ram it up the orifice of your choice shill.

That's the "should" side. The question was about the "will" side.

Why the fark wouldn't they to remove that threat?

All this "funding" that is being spent... mostly isn't being spent.  It's donating aging goods, coincidentally, where designed for blowing the living fark out of Russia, that would have had to be decommissioned.

So instead of spending money to decommission the shiat, they are paying to have it shipped to where said equipment is going to do it's original job.  So... clearing out back inventory on the cheap, developing excellent good will with one of the new EU superpowers (in a few years), and shoving Russia back into it's place.

And any new weapons development is just a shot to the arm of the local economy...

So why wouldn't they?

GrogSmash2: qorkfiend: Who's "they"? This may come as a surprise but not all governments think and act alike, nor will their current governments be in power forever.

Every damned country within two borders of Russia, for starters.  Because they are on the chopping block if Russia gets away with this.  And quite a few of the others, who are sick and farking tired of god damned war dragging Europe and the northern economy into the shiathouse for a romp every few years because of these asshats.

That's who.

GrogSmash2: qorkfiend: GrogSmash2: qorkfiend: Who's "they"? This may come as a surprise but not all governments think and act alike, nor will their current governments be in power forever.

Every damned country within two borders of Russia, for starters.  Because they are on the chopping block if Russia gets away with this.  And quite a few of the others, who are sick and farking tired of god damned war dragging Europe and the northern economy into the shiathouse for a romp every few years because of these asshats.

That's who.

That's a somewhat smaller list than "Europe, and all of its allies" as you originally asserted.

Nope, I'd say that pretty much covers a good sized wack of them.

To Wish Impossible Things: qorkfiend: GrogSmash2: doomjesse: So not to inject reality here, but more or less in Spring the Ukrainians launch a counteroffensive.  And it drags into next Summer/Fall.  How long do you think the government's of the world will continue to back Ukraine (note: I didn't ask how long they should, but how long they will)?

As long as it takes to defang Russia.  They've been a threatening hammer looming over Europe for the last 80 years, in one guise or another.  The Soviets were a little smarter about it than the current Russian leadership, so they mostly kept to a cold war, and proxy wars.  Putin has decide he's Vlad The Great, and wants to restart the Russian Empire.

For some odd reason, Europe, and all of its allies, disagrees with this notion.  Furthermore, now that the pitiful state of the Russian Army has been revealed, there is absolutely no reason to not continue funding Ukraine's efforts to free itself, knowing it will deplete Russian past the point of no return.

At best, the broken remains become a client country under crippling sanctions for the next 50 years.  At worst, the Russian Federation shatters, and it becomes a 50+ year war zone as all the old hatreds come to bear on 'new' neighbours.

So, please, fold your opinion sharp, and ram it up the orifice of your choice shill.

That's the "should" side. The question was about the "will" side.

Russia's domination of eastern Europe is easily within living memory.  And Russia is making attempts to dominate again.

That makes it rather hard for the EU to stop supporting Ukraine as Russia continues its invasion.

Dinodork: Good morning, I got the first pot of coffee. Redwing.

Hey remember about 2 days ago when I casually mentioned what a shame it would be to see some of Wagner's air transport assets going up in flames due to careless smoking accidents in Africa?

"https://mobile.twitter.com/Gerjon_/status/1621635411498999808 This report suggests that the likely Wagner-operated Ilyushin Il-18TL-KBR burned to ground atAl-Khadim Air Base in Libya on the night of 27 Jan 2023 - big if true. It is one of the two CAR-registered aircraft that I suspect might carry Russian mercenaries within Africa."