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2023-02-03 4:50:52 PM  
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2023-02-03 4:53:03 PM  
"I wrote a script, and I gave it to a guy who reads scripts, and he read it, and he liked it, but he said he thinks I ought to re-write it. I said, "F*** that - I'll just make a copy!" - Mitch Hedberg
 
2023-02-03 5:01:23 PM  
This will make it easier for Juan Epstein's mom to write his excuse notes for Mr. Kotter.
 
2023-02-03 5:15:06 PM  
No AI would ever be able to replicate my inconsistent combination of block lettering and cursive that I call hand writing.
 
2023-02-03 5:15:43 PM  
It might have been a mistake buying a German 3D printer.
 
2023-02-03 5:28:29 PM  
How long until AI can train it's own domesticated rat army? Two, three weeks?
 
2023-02-03 5:36:13 PM  
Not any lazier than a teacher who's been repackaging the same assignment since 1992.

/And getting a machine to do your work for you has proven to be one of the most valuable skills in history.
 
2023-02-03 9:31:39 PM  
Which is why if I was a teacher, all assignments are hand written in class.
 
2023-02-03 9:35:02 PM  

BretMavrik: Not any lazier than a teacher who's been repackaging the same assignment since 1992.

/And getting a machine to do your work for you has proven to be one of the most valuable skills in history.


My college professor had taught two classes for like a decade.  Each class had two exams and a final making up the bulk of the grades.  Each test had like 3 questions the questions for each test came from a pool of questions.  Problem was that his pool was only about 12 questions for each test.  So, when test time came up you can be damn sure that everyone had copies of all the questions to study.  Even furthermore was he allowed you to have a sheet of notes of equations and things, so some of the students would just shrink all 12 questions from the pool to fit onto their sheet and would ace the test
 
2023-02-03 9:41:49 PM  
Tbis is why I mispell and use bad grammer.
 
2023-02-03 9:43:34 PM  
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2023-02-03 9:45:12 PM  

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2023-02-03 10:02:15 PM  
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2023-02-03 10:03:21 PM  

Communist Middleschool Student: Which is why if I was a teacher, all assignments are hand written in class.


This ChatGPT stuff is actually just footshooting.

Teachers can start making the questions more difficult, beyond the ability of AI to understand in order to give a reasonable answer.

For example, instead of:
Why did Hitler decide to invade Poland?

...you might have something like...

Compare Hitler's reasoning for invading Poland with that of the Japanese in attacking Pearl Harbor and then explain what, if anything, the European powers could have done differently to avoid Nazi expansionism.  Regarding the European response, everything must be written in the passive tense.

Chew on that you little farking cheaters.

Additionally, they could start making multi-part assignments where students can write it outside of class, but then have to be prepared to defend their ideas against an additional prompt, either in writing (in class) or in a speech.
 
2023-02-03 10:18:37 PM  
The "handwriting" is too neat. You might as well type it up in a handwriting font and print it on a regular-ass printer for all the good this set-up would do for you.


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2023-02-03 10:39:49 PM  
I mean... honestly, speaking as someone who's been a teacher, I have no particular problem with classroom practices requiring students to put in a good-faith effort on their end to do things properly.

Generally speaking, in any class I've taught above the eighth-grade level, homework is optional anyhow, so turning in an essay written by someone else would be exceptionally pointless.  Can you get some points for dutifully turning in every assignment?  Sure.  You can grab basically enough to round up from a high C to a low B, so it's a good idea if you're struggling (as is, y'know, doing the homework so you learn what the course is teaching).  Probably those points are literally going to be tied to whether you turned in the homework at all, not what your marks on it were.

The homework is there solely as a study aid for the student, in the same way that optional review sessions and Q&A sessions are there for anyone who doesn't feel like the information fully clicked from the lecture alone.  It's a way to practice applying whatever the class is teaching with an instructor's direct feedback in the form of marks, so you know what you need to put more effort into before the test / oral presentation / etc.

The actual assessments of whether you've learned are proctored, primarily because that's how applying knowledge works everywhere else too but it has the bonus of making academic dishonesty extremely hard to pull off beyond shiat that most competent teachers will let you do anyway like bringing in a note-card's worth of formulas (outside of the class you'll also always be able to access basic notes like that so there's no real reason to deny them; one PI I taught for was a little more old-school and literally just attached a sheet with every base formula taught in the class to the back of the tests himself).

People who've only experienced teaching from the student end sometimes have a... frankly insane lens on how antagonistic the system actually is.  Very, very few teachers in secondary and post-secondary education view themselves as "authority figures" to be opposed or obeyed, their view of the relationship is almost invariably that they're knowledge resources for students to take advantage of.  Stories like frat houses hiding away old exams so you can 'get the questions early' always make me chuckle a bit because... the absolute #1 most common study guide handed out by TAs in pre-exam review sessions?  Literally just a copy of a previous year's exam, complete with the high-scoring answers.  For essay-heavy exams it's fairly common to, y'know, give students the actual questions for the upcoming exam, more or less.

Like... obtaining some approximation of what the exam is about and what the questions will be, and formulating potential answers to it in advance?  A lot of students have this weird imposter syndrome shiat where they think they're getting away with something.  No.  That's... that's just studying, my dudes.  That's what you were supposed to be doing.  You are an adequate student who's got some of the basics down, good for you.  The point of the exam is that the questions cover the subject matter the course is designed to teach you.

// In a sane teaching environment overall course grades / exam grades are more of a feedback metric for both teachers and students on how well the teaching is going than an actual assessment of how well the student is mastering the material or how good they are at academics "in general".  The idea of averaging the farking grades from different courses for every different student and then comparing the final results (which may be the average of completely different course schedules) is, in a word, batshiat.  If you actually go further into academics than undergrad you'll actually find that 100% of every research and graduate program on the planet agrees with me here, the lessons on how irrelevant and meaningless GPA actually is are called "quals".  Unfortunately, as much as I'd like to make this argument, both businesses hiring from academic institutions and most undergraduate programs are run by idiots who know nothing about anything and less about teaching, so... we've sadly lost the overall cultural fight on that one.  Sorry.
 
2023-02-03 10:47:01 PM  
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2023-02-03 10:52:03 PM  

khatores: Teachers can start making the questions more difficult, beyond the ability of AI to understand in order to give a reasonable answer.

For example, instead of:
Why did Hitler decide to invade Poland?

...you might have something like...

Compare Hitler's reasoning for invading Poland with that of the Japanese in attacking Pearl Harbor and then explain what, if anything, the European powers could have done differently to avoid Nazi expansionism.  Regarding the European response, everything must be written in the passive tense.


Not sure if it nailed the passive voice requirement, but here's what it spat out:

Hitler's reasoning for invading Poland was rooted in his belief in Lebensraum, the idea that Germany needed more living space for its growing population. He also claimed that the Polish government was mistreating ethnic Germans living in Poland. On the other hand, the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was motivated by a desire to protect their empire and to remove the US as a potential obstacle in their plans for expansion in Southeast Asia.

To avoid Nazi expansionism, the European powers could have taken a firmer stance against Germany's aggressive actions, such as its reoccupation of the Rhineland and annexation of Austria. Economic sanctions, diplomatic pressure, and increased military preparedness could have been used to deter further aggression. The failure of the European powers to respond effectively to Hitler's early territorial gains likely encouraged him to pursue more ambitious military conquests.
 
2023-02-03 11:11:33 PM  

yelmrog: khatores: Teachers can start making the questions more difficult, beyond the ability of AI to understand in order to give a reasonable answer.

For example, instead of:
Why did Hitler decide to invade Poland?

...you might have something like...

Compare Hitler's reasoning for invading Poland with that of the Japanese in attacking Pearl Harbor and then explain what, if anything, the European powers could have done differently to avoid Nazi expansionism.  Regarding the European response, everything must be written in the passive tense.

Not sure if it nailed the passive voice requirement, but here's what it spat out:

Hitler's reasoning for invading Poland was rooted in his belief in Lebensraum, the idea that Germany needed more living space for its growing population. He also claimed that the Polish government was mistreating ethnic Germans living in Poland. On the other hand, the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was motivated by a desire to protect their empire and to remove the US as a potential obstacle in their plans for expansion in Southeast Asia.

To avoid Nazi expansionism, the European powers could have taken a firmer stance against Germany's aggressive actions, such as its reoccupation of the Rhineland and annexation of Austria. Economic sanctions, diplomatic pressure, and increased military preparedness could have been used to deter further aggression. The failure of the European powers to respond effectively to Hitler's early territorial gains likely encouraged him to pursue more ambitious military conquests.


Yeah, I did the same thing and it will vary it's response a little bit. Here's what I got (the second paragraph is a little different):

Adolf Hitler, the leader of Nazi Germany, justified the invasion of Poland in 1939 as a means to reclaim the territories lost by Germany following World War I and to secure Lebensraum, or "living space" for the German people. On the other hand, the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941 was motivated by their desire to expand their empire in the Pacific and Southeast Asia and to neutralize the threat posed by the American military presence in the region.

As for the response of the European powers, various diplomatic efforts could have been made to address Nazi expansionism and aggression. For example, stronger sanctions could have been imposed on Germany, such as economic restrictions or an arms embargo. Also, the signing of a mutual defense pact among European countries might have deterred Hitler from pursuing further territorial expansion. However, these measures were not taken, and the appeasement policies pursued by Britain and France ultimately proved ineffective in preventing the outbreak of World War II.


It's not perfect, but it's scary close to passable. It is certainly close enough to serve as a outline for your own paper with relatively little work on your part.
 
2023-02-03 11:54:44 PM  

yelmrog: khatores: Teachers can start making the questions more difficult, beyond the ability of AI to understand in order to give a reasonable answer.

For example, instead of:
Why did Hitler decide to invade Poland?

...you might have something like...

Compare Hitler's reasoning for invading Poland with that of the Japanese in attacking Pearl Harbor and then explain what, if anything, the European powers could have done differently to avoid Nazi expansionism.  Regarding the European response, everything must be written in the passive tense.

Not sure if it nailed the passive voice requirement, but here's what it spat out:

Hitler's reasoning for invading Poland was rooted in his belief in Lebensraum, the idea that Germany needed more living space for its growing population. He also claimed that the Polish government was mistreating ethnic Germans living in Poland. On the other hand, the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was motivated by a desire to protect their empire and to remove the US as a potential obstacle in their plans for expansion in Southeast Asia.

To avoid Nazi expansionism, the European powers could have taken a firmer stance against Germany's aggressive actions, such as its reoccupation of the Rhineland and annexation of Austria. Economic sanctions, diplomatic pressure, and increased military preparedness could have been used to deter further aggression. The failure of the European powers to respond effectively to Hitler's early territorial gains likely encouraged him to pursue more ambitious military conquests.


Wow, that's a substantial improvement from what I've seen recently.  Maybe it does better on things that have been written on ad infinitum because it has more material to draw upon.

I always really liked history in school and saw the value in it. However, I realize most people don't, and assume they'll never use it when they get out. And they generally don't, in a practical sense...whether you're driving a bus full of homeless people or doing portfolio reviews for retirees in Boca, no one will hold it against you if you can't articulate an argument for or against Operation Paperclip. However, as we've seen, when we DO need to practically apply the lessons history has taught, it's often in the context of major events.

Will you elect a populist who uses racist, divisive rhetoric and clearly wants to be a dictator?

Will you support a war which is most likely pointless and will come to no good end, because it was predicated on lies?

If the US enters a conflict with China, and you are a witness to racism being perpetrated against Asians who live in the US, what will you personally do? Ignore, join in or try to uphold American values, even at your own risk?

These are the questions that history forces us to ponder - if what happened then, happens again, how to react? How can we do better than what was done before? We will all be called to confront these questions, assuming we live past high school.

If you've got ChatGPT doing the work, then you're one day going to be caught with your pants down and nowhere to piss.

Also, occasionally we hear about teachers offending students when teaching. I think that history in particular, like art, needs to be offensive in order to be effective. People need to think about it not just in an abstract sense, but "What if 15 Nazi Gestapo walked into this room right now and hauled off all the black kids?  Or what if the intercom came on, said school was getting out early, and all the Asian kids got snatched up by the National Guard, because China and the US just started WW 3?"

That's the kinds of questions that need to be asked - pertinent questions relevant to current affairs while reflecting on the past. This is the world that today's kids may have to live in in just a few short years. Some of them will be in the military responsible for making life-or-death decisions. Some may be in a position to start WW 3 with just a wrong move. Some will be here at home and have the option of either acting humanely or following in the footsteps of that national embarrassment we recently voted out of office.

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2023-02-04 12:11:28 AM  

kidgenius: BretMavrik: Not any lazier than a teacher who's been repackaging the same assignment since 1992.

/And getting a machine to do your work for you has proven to be one of the most valuable skills in history.

My college professor had taught two classes for like a decade.  Each class had two exams and a final making up the bulk of the grades.  Each test had like 3 questions the questions for each test came from a pool of questions.  Problem was that his pool was only about 12 questions for each test.  So, when test time came up you can be damn sure that everyone had copies of all the questions to study.  Even furthermore was he allowed you to have a sheet of notes of equations and things, so some of the students would just shrink all 12 questions from the pool to fit onto their sheet and would ace the test


That was an ethics class, wasn't it?
 
2023-02-04 7:31:08 AM  

chitownmike: kidgenius: BretMavrik: Not any lazier than a teacher who's been repackaging the same assignment since 1992.

/And getting a machine to do your work for you has proven to be one of the most valuable skills in history.

My college professor had taught two classes for like a decade.  Each class had two exams and a final making up the bulk of the grades.  Each test had like 3 questions the questions for each test came from a pool of questions.  Problem was that his pool was only about 12 questions for each test.  So, when test time came up you can be damn sure that everyone had copies of all the questions to study.  Even furthermore was he allowed you to have a sheet of notes of equations and things, so some of the students would just shrink all 12 questions from the pool to fit onto their sheet and would ace the test

That was an ethics class, wasn't it?


Unfortunately it was towi upper level engineering classes
 
2023-02-04 9:59:36 AM  
There's a thing on Amazon with the software that does this for a couple hundred bucks. It's hard to tell, but this looks like that with duct tape over the pen holder.

There's company that makes a relatively expensive version that uses ball point pens to "write" as opposed to "print". It can do cursive and block print in a couple variations from what I've read.

They advertise it to businesses suggesting you use it to write "personal" notes and cards to your customers to give correspondence that "personal" touch and create "personal" relationships. It looks nothing at all like hand writing. Perfectly precise spacing between letters, every letter crisp, no stray pen marks, every letter 100% identical to any repetition of that letter. It's the "uncanny valley" but for hand writing.

Anyone who thinks anything the comes out of it looks hand written, is an idiot.
 
2023-02-04 11:54:04 PM  
Hey someone reinvented the plotter.
 
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