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(Axios)   Can't afford the thrill of buying a self-driving car and the thrill of the inevitable crash? Well, what about a ticket for a self-flying plane?   (axios.com) divider line
    More: Scary, Computer, Autonomy, Landing, Airliner, Airport, Technology, Airline, System  
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505 clicks; posted to Business » on 03 Feb 2023 at 9:05 AM (6 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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Xai
2023-02-03 9:15:36 AM  
If you knew how much was already automated on planes...
 
2023-02-03 9:20:11 AM  
I feel like pilots are one of the least expensive parts of any flight.

Airlines will still happily cut them, mind you, since they never saw a penny they didn't want, but still...
 
2023-02-03 9:28:18 AM  
Will these be fusion powered airplanes?
 
2023-02-03 9:40:49 AM  
I've worked as an engineer for large autonomous aircraft for over a decade. The pilots play a critical role for managing the flight, but really aren't needed any longer in terms of keeping the aircraft flying. In one instance I'm aware of, an in-flight emergency occurred and the actions of the pilots (actions not per the flight manual) resulted in diminished capabilities for the autonomous software, resulting in a total loss of aircraft on the runway versus extensive internal damage to the engine. With more advanced systems, it's really safest to allow the software to do its best, even if the aircraft is disabled in some way.

That being said, within my portion of the industry, we've not seriously considered removing the pilot from passenger aircraft. We joke that the goal is one pilot and an aggressive dog trained to attack the pilot if he/she touches the controls. This gives passengers a feeling of safety, as the person in control of their flight is just as likely to die in a crash as they are. I think we will see a removal of the second pilot for most flights, and transcontinental flights having two instead of four. It's hard to accept the idea of the pilot being comfortable on the ground while passengers are experiencing an emergency aloft.
 
2023-02-03 9:51:25 AM  
How about self-driving high speed rail all over the U.S.?  Anybody up for that?
 
2023-02-03 10:21:44 AM  

Breaker Moran: How about self-driving high speed rail all over the U.S.?  Anybody up for that?


'vAlUe cApTuRe'
 
2023-02-03 10:23:37 AM  

Xai: If you knew how much was already automated on planes...


Yup and we all got a lesson about testing and training with the 737 Max.
 
2023-02-03 10:28:59 AM  

Xai: If you knew how much was already automated on planes...


bingo. as if John Travolta would be trusted with manual controls!
 
2023-02-03 10:37:12 AM  
Crash (1996) David Cronenberg
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2023-02-03 10:41:29 AM  

roostercube: We joke that the goal is one pilot and an aggressive dog trained to attack the pilot if he/she touches the controls.


Thank you for that laugh.
 
2023-02-03 10:42:22 AM  
Fly in a plane with no pilot? There's yer NOPE right there.
 
2023-02-03 10:50:56 AM  
All they need is an autopilot and a "maintenance technician".

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2023-02-03 10:51:41 AM  
One contemplates remote human oversight.   To that I say:

...buffering...buffering...buffering...
 
2023-02-03 12:28:41 PM  

Warthog: One contemplates remote human oversight.   To that I say:

...buffering...buffering...buffering...


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2023-02-03 12:54:10 PM  

Emposter: I feel like pilots are one of the least expensive parts of any flight.


Depends on who's asking (or more to the point: how the accounting is done given the POV of the entity doing it). Airlines tell you one thing, IATA another, the unions another, Boeing another, the FAA another, etc. But one thing is for certain: pilots are definitely NOT the least expensive part of any commercial jet flight.
 
2023-02-03 1:06:41 PM  

iamskibibitz: Emposter: I feel like pilots are one of the least expensive parts of any flight.

Depends on who's asking (or more to the point: how the accounting is done given the POV of the entity doing it). Airlines tell you one thing, IATA another, the unions another, Boeing another, the FAA another, etc. But one thing is for certain: pilots are definitely NOT the least expensive part of any commercial jet flight.


According to Google, the average commercial pilot salary is about $60k.  Assuming a 40 hour work week (higher would make the price per hour go down, lower would make it go up), we get about $30 per hour.  That's less than $200 for a 6 hour flight.
 
2023-02-03 1:16:18 PM  
Would I be okay with flying in a self-flying plane? Yes.
Would I be okay with flying in a self-flying plane having seen how many corners were cut to the detriment of safety in the name of profits in the Boeing 737MAX scandal? HOLY FARK NO.
 
2023-02-03 3:05:28 PM  

roostercube: I've worked as an engineer for large autonomous aircraft for over a decade. The pilots play a critical role for managing the flight, but really aren't needed any longer in terms of keeping the aircraft flying. In one instance I'm aware of, an in-flight emergency occurred and the actions of the pilots (actions not per the flight manual) resulted in diminished capabilities for the autonomous software, resulting in a total loss of aircraft on the runway versus extensive internal damage to the engine. With more advanced systems, it's really safest to allow the software to do its best, even if the aircraft is disabled in some way.


<cough>737 MCAS,cough>
 
2023-02-03 5:23:48 PM  
There are currently 3 single-engine light aircraft fitted with Garmin autoland facility.

If a passenger sees that the pilot is incapacitated (or dead), or the pilot feels sick, anyone can press a blue button on the console which activates the autoland.

Briefly, it makes announcements to the passengers, selects the nearest suitable runway and landing profile, makes radio broadcasts on appropriate frequencies, calls emergency services, lands the plane, taxis off runway, stops engine, unlocks doors, instructs passengers on how to exit.

Doesn't serve coffee.

Long story short - being a passenger on some 6-8 seat light planes can be safer proposition than a 737Max..
 
2023-02-03 6:20:13 PM  

LarrySouth: There are currently 3 single-engine light aircraft fitted with Garmin autoland facility.

If a passenger sees that the pilot is incapacitated (or dead), or the pilot feels sick, anyone can press a blue button on the console which activates the autoland.

Briefly, it makes announcements to the passengers, selects the nearest suitable runway and landing profile, makes radio broadcasts on appropriate frequencies, calls emergency services, lands the plane, taxis off runway, stops engine, unlocks doors, instructs passengers on how to exit.

Doesn't serve coffee.

Long story short - being a passenger on some 6-8 seat light planes can be safer proposition than a 737Max..


There is also the Dollar Store version (which works pretty well):
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2023-02-04 12:48:22 AM  
Planes are a hell of a lot easier to self-navigate than cars.

It's far easier to not crash into anything when the nearest object or surface is supposed to stay literally miles away from you at all times, as opposed to cars which have to navigate city environments where there are dozens of other players mere feet away from you, moving in any which direction.
 
2023-02-04 9:19:53 AM  

Oliver Twisted: Will these be fusion powered airplanes?


In thirty years, yes, but first we have to train the robots to create fusion which may push that date out a little bit.
 
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