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Mr. Coffee Nerves [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-03 6:40:05 AM  
The fines should be calculated using a sliding scale based on net worth, multiplied by how many warnings emergency services gave against going out that day.

You're a regular schlub who slipped and fell on a relatively normal day? Fine, pay the gas for the ambulance and the hourly salary of the EMT.

You're a hedge fund douche who thought it would be a hoot to take your Official Waterworld Trimaran out into a Category 5 and started screaming "MAYDAY?" You just turned the Hawaii National Guard into a nuclear power.
 
Cheron
2023-02-03 8:11:28 AM  
New Hampshire has started charging unprepared people in the Whites the cost of rescue. Could be over $10k.
 
Another Government Employee
2023-02-03 8:16:36 AM  

Cheron: New Hampshire has started charging unprepared people in the Whites the cost of rescue. Could be over $10k.


North Carolina has proposed bills a few times but never actually passed them.
 
HighlanderRPI
2023-02-03 8:18:10 AM  

Cheron: New Hampshire has started charging unprepared people


Remember in NH, "or Die" is an option.
 
H31N0US
2023-02-03 8:22:04 AM  
My sister in Taos says people jump off this bridge to kill themselves and it costs a ton of money to retrieve the bodies.

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I wonder if they should charge the next of kin.

"You want your loved one? Give us $5k and we'll fish out the remains. Otherwise, vultures gotta eat, too".
 
keldaria
2023-02-03 8:24:08 AM  
Yeah, I get it, but at the same time the hikers make a good point that if you are charging people for being rescued, it will no doubt turn a number of rescues into body recoveries instead. I doubt it'll make many turn back more than the signs listing all the deaths that have occurred, but it will make them think twice about calling for help.
 
claytonemery [TotalFark]
2023-02-03 8:28:10 AM  
New Hampshire not only makes dumbasses pay, the Legislature wants to suspend their drivers license if they stiff the state.

New Hampshire Might Make Their Search and Rescue Policy Even Worse Than It Already Is
 
The Envoy
2023-02-03 8:30:43 AM  

H31N0US: My sister in Taos says people jump off this bridge to kill themselves and it costs a ton of money to retrieve the bodies.

[lafondataos.com image 724x483]

I wonder if they should charge the next of kin.

"You want your loved one? Give us $5k and we'll fish out the remains. Otherwise, vultures gotta eat, too".


I've never understood jumping.  Far too much time to reconsider.
 
claytonemery [TotalFark]
2023-02-03 8:32:41 AM  
Gotta love New Hampshire.  We were driving and stopped at a state park in the White Mountains.  It was late fall, so the park was closed.  Still, you could drive in there and walk around.  Lots of people were doing so.

But stuck all around the parking lot, so you couldn't miss one, was a yellow notice.  Said roughly, "This park is closed.  If you choose to wander around, and get hurt, don't blame us."

That's "Live free or die."
 
G. Tarrant [OhFark]
2023-02-03 8:34:27 AM  

HighlanderRPI: Cheron: New Hampshire has started charging unprepared people

Remember in NH, "or Die" is an option.


When my work was transferring me to NH my coworkers told me "The state motto is Live Free or Die and the state has no problem with someone choosing, or having forced upon themselves by circumstances, the second option."

First advice I got living here was that if I was ever down to my last $20 in the world, I should spend that $20 on a ticket to Massachusetts.
 
Rapmaster2000
2023-02-03 8:35:12 AM  
"I looked at the drop and then the climb up to the third," Ryan recalled, "I don't trust the shoes that I have. I turned around and came back. And he kept going on."
Having the right footwear makes a huge difference, Anthony testified, showing off the treads on the soles of his shoes.

If you go hiking in a national park, you will see clueless people attempting to hike in the worst footwear.  I've seen people trying to go up the Beehive at Acadia on flip flops.

This is the Olomana Trail.  You should be sure you have serious and correct hiking boots before attempting this.  Did they not look at it online before going?
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ChrisDe
2023-02-03 8:36:55 AM  
In my early 40s, I did some hikes in Hawaii that were awesome but a little risky.  At my present age, I'd pass on a few of them. Like Bonnie Raitt says, life gets mighty precious, when there's less of it to waste.
 
fustanella
2023-02-03 8:40:03 AM  
I want something like this for Florida - sans DeSantis. We'd be a world power in minutes.
 
Rapmaster2000
2023-02-03 8:44:35 AM  

fustanella: I want something like this for Florida - sans DeSantis. We'd be a world power in minutes.


Difficulty:  this is the largest mountain in Florida.
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zez
2023-02-03 8:50:06 AM  

H31N0US: My sister in Taos says people jump off this bridge to kill themselves and it costs a ton of money to retrieve the bodies.

[lafondataos.com image 724x483]

I wonder if they should charge the next of kin.

"You want your loved one? Give us $5k and we'll fish out the remains. Otherwise, vultures gotta eat, too".


They have a few of these set up along the bridge

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tuxq
2023-02-03 8:51:33 AM  
Eh, the first one should be free. Any subsequent rescue is paid in full at the time of service or instead of being air lifted to the hospital, you're airlifted to the nearest active volcano.
 
pueblonative
2023-02-03 8:53:20 AM  

tuxq: Eh, the first one should be free. Any subsequent rescue is paid in full at the time of service or instead of being air lifted to the hospital, you're airlifted to the nearest active volcano.


So a discount for a religious donative.
 
BretMavrik [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-03 8:54:04 AM  

H31N0US: My sister in Taos says people jump off this bridge to kill themselves and it costs a ton of money to retrieve the bodies.

[lafondataos.com image 724x483]

I wonder if they should charge the next of kin.

"You want your loved one? Give us $5k and we'll fish out the remains. Otherwise, vultures gotta eat, too".


They should set up a suicide toll booth. "It's fine if you want to kill yourself, but first you need to go back and get a shiatload of dimes."
 
CarnySaur [TotalFark]
2023-02-03 9:00:36 AM  
I was on a quick hike in Hawaii this December, and I think it was the first time I experienced a place with its own little microclimate.  It was a beautiful day, but we were caught in a couple of heavy downpours (thankfully we were prepared for that).  I'm not surprised that people would need rescuing.
 
EBN-OZN
2023-02-03 9:04:07 AM  
FAPU. Fark around and pay up.
 
Emposter [OhFark]
2023-02-03 9:06:01 AM  

keldaria: Yeah, I get it, but at the same time the hikers make a good point that if you are charging people for being rescued, it will no doubt turn a number of rescues into body recoveries instead. I doubt it'll make many turn back more than the signs listing all the deaths that have occurred, but it will make them think twice about calling for help.


Pay the stupid tax or get a Darwin award.
 
frankb00th
2023-02-03 9:08:18 AM  

Rapmaster2000: "I looked at the drop and then the climb up to the third," Ryan recalled, "I don't trust the shoes that I have. I turned around and came back. And he kept going on."
Having the right footwear makes a huge difference, Anthony testified, showing off the treads on the soles of his shoes.

If you go hiking in a national park, you will see clueless people attempting to hike in the worst footwear.  I've seen people trying to go up the Beehive at Acadia on flip flops.

This is the Olomana Trail.  You should be sure you have serious and correct hiking boots before attempting this.  Did they not look at it online before going?
[Fark user image image 683x1024]


Flip flops eh?  Jesus.
 
sinko swimo
2023-02-03 9:12:24 AM  

Rapmaster2000: fustanella: I want something like this for Florida - sans DeSantis. We'd be a world power in minutes.

Difficulty:  this is the largest mountain in Florida.
[Fark user image 850x637]


looks like a challenge on a motor scooter
 
keldaria
2023-02-03 9:19:55 AM  

Emposter: keldaria: Yeah, I get it, but at the same time the hikers make a good point that if you are charging people for being rescued, it will no doubt turn a number of rescues into body recoveries instead. I doubt it'll make many turn back more than the signs listing all the deaths that have occurred, but it will make them think twice about calling for help.

Pay the stupid tax or get a Darwin award.


Yes, that is what heartless people say. "Pay me or die". I might also remind you that is the Republican Healthcare Plan 101. Can't afford insurance or hospital stays? Then Die at home.
 
Thank You Black Jesus! [BareFark]
2023-02-03 9:21:29 AM  

keldaria: Yeah, I get it, but at the same time the hikers make a good point that if you are charging people for being rescued, it will no doubt turn a number of rescues into body recoveries instead. I doubt it'll make many turn back more than the signs listing all the deaths that have occurred, but it will make them think twice about calling for help.


you've never met any people, have you?
 
Matt Dodson
2023-02-03 9:22:46 AM  
FTA: "Experienced hikers say, it is crucial to avoid a costly situation."

WTF does THAT sentence mean? Even if you take away the offending comma, it still has no meaning.

Nice journalism work there, Lou.
 
madgonad [OhFark]
2023-02-03 9:24:45 AM  
How would this be different from being charged for the fire department saving your house? In most places fire protection is a socialized thing. Some people are using it a lot more than others and many of the call-outs are due to homeowner stupidity or negligence which is really no different than hiking on trails that you aren't prepared for.
 
Emposter [OhFark]
2023-02-03 9:25:38 AM  

keldaria: Emposter: keldaria: Yeah, I get it, but at the same time the hikers make a good point that if you are charging people for being rescued, it will no doubt turn a number of rescues into body recoveries instead. I doubt it'll make many turn back more than the signs listing all the deaths that have occurred, but it will make them think twice about calling for help.

Pay the stupid tax or get a Darwin award.

Yes, that is what heartless people say. "Pay me or die". I might also remind you that is the Republican Healthcare Plan 101. Can't afford insurance or hospital stays? Then Die at home.


You can remind about anything you want.  Doesn't make them even remotely similar.
 
kendelrio
2023-02-03 9:32:41 AM  

madgonad: How would this be different from being charged for the fire department saving your house? In most places fire protection is a socialized thing. Some people are using it a lot more than others and many of the call-outs are due to homeowner stupidity or negligence which is really no different than hiking on trails that you aren't prepared for.


Umm... taxes pay for fire protection.

There are no standard "hiking" taxes worked into your home value.
 
madgonad [OhFark]
2023-02-03 9:40:05 AM  

kendelrio: madgonad: How would this be different from being charged for the fire department saving your house? In most places fire protection is a socialized thing. Some people are using it a lot more than others and many of the call-outs are due to homeowner stupidity or negligence which is really no different than hiking on trails that you aren't prepared for.

Umm... taxes pay for fire protection.

There are no standard "hiking" taxes worked into your home value.


The emergency services that come rescue the unlucky hikers are no different than the emergency services that put out fires. Park rangers are public servants just like fire fighters.
 
Barricaded Gunman
2023-02-03 9:40:59 AM  
Here in Michigan we're a few months away from "Coast Guard has to rescue the morons who ignored all warnings and went out onto a barely-frozen lake on a 40-degree day" season.

Every goddamn year there's a story about dumbass ice fishermen having to be saved from their own stupidity when the ice they're standing on breaks loose and starts to float away into Lake Huron.

And every goddamn year when the smart people suggest billing these aggressively stupid assholes for the cost of their own rescue, they're shouted down by idiots sobbing "But then no one will call to be rescued!" which would honestly clean up the gene pool a little bit.
 
Barricaded Gunman
2023-02-03 9:45:23 AM  

madgonad: The emergency services that come rescue the unlucky hikers are no different than the emergency services that put out fires. Park rangers are public servants just like fire fighters.


So people who show up totally unprepared for a hike, lacking the necessary equipment, training, and experience, who stroll past signs telling them "GO BACK... THIS IS NOT THE WAY" and who then inevitably suffer some consequences for their ignorance and hubris... we're calling those people "unlucky"?
 
H31N0US
2023-02-03 9:52:11 AM  

Rapmaster2000: This is the Olomana Trail.


I just watched a YouTube about it. The guy said the 1st peak has the best views, and is not that hard of a hike. I'd do that.

Continuing on is really just bravado.
 
Madison_Smiled [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-03 9:54:37 AM  

Barricaded Gunman: madgonad: The emergency services that come rescue the unlucky hikers are no different than the emergency services that put out fires. Park rangers are public servants just like fire fighters.

So people who show up totally unprepared for a hike, lacking the necessary equipment, training, and experience, who stroll past signs telling them "GO BACK... THIS IS NOT THE WAY" and who then inevitably suffer some consequences for their ignorance and hubris... we're calling those people "unlucky"?


Perhaps they mean "unlucky" as in "did not win the genetic lottery."
 
Persnickety [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-03 9:55:54 AM  

madgonad: kendelrio: madgonad: How would this be different from being charged for the fire department saving your house? In most places fire protection is a socialized thing. Some people are using it a lot more than others and many of the call-outs are due to homeowner stupidity or negligence which is really no different than hiking on trails that you aren't prepared for.

Umm... taxes pay for fire protection.

There are no standard "hiking" taxes worked into your home value.

The emergency services that come rescue the unlucky hikers are no different than the emergency services that put out fires. Park rangers are public servants just like fire fighters.


There's a big difference between an accidental grease fire in your apartment and people who go out of their way to be as far away from civilization as possible and who are then woefully unprepared to deal with nature in its raw form.  There's a point along the human stupidity spectrum where Darwin is just going to come out on top eventually.
 
madgonad [OhFark]
2023-02-03 9:59:12 AM  

Barricaded Gunman: madgonad: The emergency services that come rescue the unlucky hikers are no different than the emergency services that put out fires. Park rangers are public servants just like fire fighters.

So people who show up totally unprepared for a hike, lacking the necessary equipment, training, and experience, who stroll past signs telling them "GO BACK... THIS IS NOT THE WAY" and who then inevitably suffer some consequences for their ignorance and hubris... we're calling those people "unlucky"?


The vast vast majority of unprepared hikers either turn back or complete their hikes with some funny stories. These aren't technical ascents. These are just hikes that include some slippery areas and strenuous trails. People that do their own lousy electrical work or start grease fires are just as negligent. I suspect that most of the incidents aren't related to the hikers not being capable of the trail. They are related to doing something stupid (this is precarious area, what a great place to take a selfie!).
 
keldaria
2023-02-03 10:39:58 AM  

Emposter: keldaria: Emposter: keldaria: Yeah, I get it, but at the same time the hikers make a good point that if you are charging people for being rescued, it will no doubt turn a number of rescues into body recoveries instead. I doubt it'll make many turn back more than the signs listing all the deaths that have occurred, but it will make them think twice about calling for help.

Pay the stupid tax or get a Darwin award.

Yes, that is what heartless people say. "Pay me or die". I might also remind you that is the Republican Healthcare Plan 101. Can't afford insurance or hospital stays? Then Die at home.

You can remind about anything you want.  Doesn't make them even remotely similar.


Whatever let's you sleep at night.
 
keldaria
2023-02-03 10:41:31 AM  

Thank You Black Jesus!: keldaria: Yeah, I get it, but at the same time the hikers make a good point that if you are charging people for being rescued, it will no doubt turn a number of rescues into body recoveries instead. I doubt it'll make many turn back more than the signs listing all the deaths that have occurred, but it will make them think twice about calling for help.

you've never met any people, have you?


Yep, plenty which is why I have empathy for people that get it over their head.
 
Ubisoft is ISIS
2023-02-03 11:11:56 AM  
Hell yes! Then next, we can do the same for 911 across the board! Since American healthcare is known for its effectiveness worldwide, it's time for us to apply the model across ALL emergency services.

If your house catches fire, youneed to pay for the water, if someone is threatening you, you should have to pay the salary of the cops and detectives. If you can't pay, you shouldn'treceive basic services.

Fark Liberals NEED to run for office to FIX AMERICA with takes like "poor people should die because it costs too much money to save them" and "I'm so much better than dead poor people" and "I'm not like the other boomers I'm a zany internet boomer!"

If you just add in some Qanon tropes, you'll be ready to win any GOP election across the country
 
Mock26
2023-02-03 11:17:38 AM  
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If an inexperienced hiker tries to tackle that, falls, and is afraid to call for help for fear of getting charged for a rescue mission, well, I am okay with that.
 
AmbassadorBooze
2023-02-03 11:21:24 AM  
Here's the solution for the compassionate.  Pass the bill.  Charge people for rescue.  Have a go fund me for people to donate if the idiot is worthy of your compassion.  Either way, the cost of the rescue doesn't rest on taxchuds.  Let the cost rest on the idiots.  Or the compassionate.
 
madgonad [OhFark]
2023-02-03 11:30:50 AM  

Ubisoft is ISIS: Hell yes! Then next, we can do the same for 911 across the board! Since American healthcare is known for its effectiveness worldwide, it's time for us to apply the model across ALL emergency services.

If your house catches fire, youneed to pay for the water, if someone is threatening you, you should have to pay the salary of the cops and detectives. If you can't pay, you shouldn'treceive basic services.

Fark Liberals NEED to run for office to FIX AMERICA with takes like "poor people should die because it costs too much money to save them" and "I'm so much better than dead poor people" and "I'm not like the other boomers I'm a zany internet boomer!"

If you just add in some Qanon tropes, you'll be ready to win any GOP election across the country


Way ahead of you
The Police Station (Heavy Metal 1981)
Youtube dhowyCuWIkg

/don't worry, the clip ends when she wakes up
 
Mock26
2023-02-03 1:45:21 PM  

madgonad: kendelrio: madgonad: How would this be different from being charged for the fire department saving your house? In most places fire protection is a socialized thing. Some people are using it a lot more than others and many of the call-outs are due to homeowner stupidity or negligence which is really no different than hiking on trails that you aren't prepared for.

Umm... taxes pay for fire protection.

There are no standard "hiking" taxes worked into your home value.

The emergency services that come rescue the unlucky hikers are no different than the emergency services that put out fires. Park rangers are public servants just like fire fighters.


Except this not people hiking along some ordinary trail in a State or National Park. You really need climbing experience to go past the first peak and continue along to the next two. If this bill goes through then basically it is an idiot tax, and I am okay with that.
 
Latinwolf [TotalFark]
2023-02-03 2:20:00 PM  

Rapmaster2000: "I looked at the drop and then the climb up to the third," Ryan recalled, "I don't trust the shoes that I have. I turned around and came back. And he kept going on."
Having the right footwear makes a huge difference, Anthony testified, showing off the treads on the soles of his shoes.

If you go hiking in a national park, you will see clueless people attempting to hike in the worst footwear.  I've seen people trying to go up the Beehive at Acadia on flip flops.

This is the Olomana Trail.  You should be sure you have serious and correct hiking boots before attempting this.  Did they not look at it online before going?
[Fark user image 683x1024]


"Fark the terrain, I wanna look cool".
 
lizaardvark
2023-02-03 4:13:55 PM  

keldaria: Whatever let's you sleep at night.


How can I sleep at night, knowing how badly the American school system has failed our children? Hopefully, you're still in elementary school and can get help with your spelling and grammar.
 
keldaria
2023-02-03 4:26:31 PM  

lizaardvark: keldaria: Whatever let's you sleep at night.

How can I sleep at night, knowing how badly the American school system has failed our children? Hopefully, you're still in elementary school and can get help with your spelling and grammar.


Sorry, iOS is stupid sometimes with autocorrects, but yes i sometimes suck at spelling/grammar, glad you were able to catch that otherwise my fark posts would completely unintelligible.
 
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