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eurotrader [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-02 8:29:09 PM  
Republicans did push through a bill in 2017? removing laws prohibiting people suffering from mental health disorders from having firearms.

Just guessing it was a farsighted thing (previously thought extinct thing with republicans) because anyone that still self identities as a republican is suffering from a mental disorder and they want their guns.
 
common sense is an oxymoron [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-02 8:45:19 PM  
how can you purchase a firearm after being hospitalized repeatedly for being a paranoid schizophrenic?

The needs of the gun fetishists outweigh the needs of the few. Or the many.
 
born_yesterday [TotalFark]
2023-02-02 8:50:42 PM  
Just don't blame the gun, OK!
 
edmo [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-02 8:53:47 PM  
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King Something [TotalFark]
2023-02-02 9:02:01 PM  

edmo: [Fark user image 300x222]


If the child is white, and some non-zero number of people they're hitting with the stick are Black, Republicans would pass laws all over the country making it illegal to take sticks away from children, and GOP-controlled courts would rule that anti-stick legislation is unconstitutional.
 
Imperfect Pixels [TotalFark]
2023-02-02 9:03:41 PM  
Stockholm Gundrome
 
skybird659 [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-02 10:07:41 PM  
it's not a gun problem, it's an 'access to guns' problem!
 
Tom Marvolo Bombadil
2023-02-03 12:10:39 AM  
Gun problems?

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FatherChaos [TotalFark]
2023-02-03 12:11:44 AM  
Because Joseph Jones was in and out of mental health facilities for years, his family has wondered why he was still able to purchase guns.

Because he lives in Nebraska?
 
Tom Marvolo Bombadil
2023-02-03 12:11:56 AM  

skybird659: it's not a gun problem, it's an 'access to guns' problem!


It's not an 'access to guns' problem, it's an 'access to ammunition' problem!
 
Tom Marvolo Bombadil
2023-02-03 12:13:50 AM  

edmo: [Fark user image 300x222]


The kid may need that stick someday when a bully asks for his lunch money.  Taking sticks away from kids leaves them helpless to school crime!
 
SurelyShirley
2023-02-03 12:15:30 AM  
"'It's not a gun problem': Family says Omaha Target shooting suspect struggled with mental health for years"

Ok, so let's make mental, along with physical, dental, visual health accessible to everyone.
At no cost.
Oh noes! Socialism!
Better have friends and family killed before I fall for that scheme 🙄
 
howdoibegin
2023-02-03 12:21:24 AM  
Employed adults who solve real world problems may be focused on one solution for a problem, but unless they're stupid, they are able to hold the nuanced view that a problem can have more than one cause, in differing proportions.
 
Dryad
2023-02-03 12:22:31 AM  

common sense is an oxymoron: how can you purchase a firearm after being hospitalized repeatedly for being a paranoid schizophrenic?

The needs of the gun fetishists outweigh the needs of the few. Or the many.


Its already illegal. Federally illegal. There is just no way for the current background checks to know, because that information generally isn't shared.
Now if only there were some way to actually get the funding to maintain a database of those people, we would have something. Or to force those states that won't comply to share the info they are supposed to be required to.
But we don't, and we won't. Because its considered a distraction to passing shiny new bills we won't fund either.
Then complaining they don't work and demanding more. Its a treadmill of stupid.
 
BuckTurgidson
2023-02-03 12:23:18 AM  
Goateed murrican-flag-camo-clad skinhead uncle of psychotic public shooter says his nephew was a good kid.

Who couldn't get obviously and urgently-needed mental health care because America.

But had no problem getting hold of a lightweight short-barreled pistol-gripped quick-change high-capacity magazine fed semi-automatic rifle.
 
BuckTurgidson
2023-02-03 12:23:55 AM  
It's not a gun problem tho.
 
dbaggins
2023-02-03 12:24:13 AM  
Because Joseph Jones was in and out of mental health facilities for years, his family has wondered why he was still able to purchase guns.


Because his family, YOU, never lifted a finger to prevent him from having firearms.

I guess these are your crimes.....what's that?
 
Bith Set Me Up
2023-02-03 12:25:17 AM  
"'The real issue is mental illness' is a goddamn cop-out. I almost never hear it from actual mental health professionals, or advocates working in the mental health sphere, or anyone who actually has any kind of informed opinion on mental health or serious policy proposals for how to improve our treatment of the mentally ill in this country.

What I hear from people who bleat on about 'The real issue is mental illness,' when pressed for specific suggestions on how to deal with said 'real issue,' is terrifying nonsense designed to throw the mentally ill under the bus. Elliot Rodger's parents should've been able to force risperidone down his throat. Seung-Hui Cho should've been forcibly institutionalized. Anyone with a mental illness diagnosis should surrender all of their constitutional rights, right now, rather than at all compromise the right to bear arms of self-declared sane people.

What's interesting is to watch who the mentally ill people are being thrown under the bus to defend. In the wake of Sandy Hook, the NRA tells us that creating a national registry of firearms owners would be giving the government dangerously unchecked tyrannical power, but a national registry of the mentally ill would not -- even though a 'sane' person holding a gun is intrinsically more dangerous than a "crazy" person, no matter how crazy, without a gun.

We've successfully created a world so topsy-turvy that seeking medical help for depression or anxiety is apparently stronger evidence of violent tendencies than going out and purchasing a weapon whose only purpose is committing acts of violence. We've got a narrative going where doing the former is something we're OK with stigmatizing but not the latter. God bless America."

https://www.salon.com/2015/06/18/its_not_about_mental_illness_the_big_lie_that_always_follows_mass_shootings_by_white_males/
 
Archie Goodwin
2023-02-03 12:30:38 AM  
how can you purchase a firearm after being hospitalized repeatedly for being a paranoid schizophrenic?"

ShAlL nOt Be InFrInGeD!

That's how.
 
scalpod
2023-02-03 12:36:44 AM  

skybird659: it's not a gun problem, it's an 'access to guns' problem!


If you take away all the people - NO PROBLEM!
 
MikeyFuccon
2023-02-03 12:39:38 AM  
All those military-grade firearms in civilian hands serve one purpose---insurance against the risk that one dark day, power in the United States might fall into the hands of people who take the idea that all men are created equal seriously.

If innocent people occasionally get killed by a lost soul, driven insane, no doubt, by crazy pills forced on them in childhood by mothers unable or unwilling to teach them how to behave (much less take them to church), well, that's a small price to pay to guarantee the life, liberty and property of Real Americans as far as the "patriots" are concerned.

A very small price.
 
olorin604
2023-02-03 12:46:17 AM  
Stop blaming the guns, stop blaming mental health, it is obviously a lack of jesus in our daily lives, laws, schools and government that is causing these shootings.

We would be living in a utopia and there would be unicorns If it wasn't from turning out faces from god.

And God damnit I want my farking unicorn songst with it sheeple.
 
strathmeyer
2023-02-03 12:47:25 AM  
A gun problem is when you need a gun but can't get one.
 
meathome
2023-02-03 12:48:44 AM  

dbaggins: Because Joseph Jones was in and out of mental health facilities for years, his family has wondered why he was still able to purchase guns.


Because his family, YOU, never lifted a finger to prevent him from having firearms.

I guess these are your crimes.....what's that?


Read the article, he literally did.

Police forced him to give the kid his guns back.

/Welcome to America
 
acouvis
2023-02-03 12:48:44 AM  

Bith Set Me Up: "'The real issue is mental illness' is a goddamn cop-out. I almost never hear it from actual mental health professionals, or advocates working in the mental health sphere, or anyone who actually has any kind of informed opinion on mental health or serious policy proposals for how to improve our treatment of the mentally ill in this country.

What I hear from people who bleat on about 'The real issue is mental illness,' when pressed for specific suggestions on how to deal with said 'real issue,' is terrifying nonsense designed to throw the mentally ill under the bus. Elliot Rodger's parents should've been able to force risperidone down his throat. Seung-Hui Cho should've been forcibly institutionalized. Anyone with a mental illness diagnosis should surrender all of their constitutional rights, right now, rather than at all compromise the right to bear arms of self-declared sane people.

What's interesting is to watch who the mentally ill people are being thrown under the bus to defend. In the wake of Sandy Hook, the NRA tells us that creating a national registry of firearms owners would be giving the government dangerously unchecked tyrannical power, but a national registry of the mentally ill would not -- even though a 'sane' person holding a gun is intrinsically more dangerous than a "crazy" person, no matter how crazy, without a gun.

We've successfully created a world so topsy-turvy that seeking medical help for depression or anxiety is apparently stronger evidence of violent tendencies than going out and purchasing a weapon whose only purpose is committing acts of violence. We've got a narrative going where doing the former is something we're OK with stigmatizing but not the latter. God bless America."

https://www.salon.com/2015/06/18/its_not_about_mental_illness_the_big_lie_that_always_follows_mass_shootings_by_white_males/


What I find ironic how Texas Republicans were all too happy to claim gun violence is a mental health issue a month after cutting millions in funding to mental health.
 
WhiskeySticks
2023-02-03 12:48:58 AM  
Thanks, Reagan.
 
BuckTurgidson
2023-02-03 12:50:46 AM  

olorin604: Stop blaming the guns


No, I won't.

We see you're making an attempt at parody, not bad actually, and at deflection (fail).

It's the guns.
 
replacementcool
2023-02-03 12:56:13 AM  
It's crazy how america's the only country in the world where "mental health issues" manifest as "Extraordinary acts of mass violence committed on a daily basis perpetrated by individuals with easily accessible firearms"
 
IlGreven
2023-02-03 12:58:25 AM  
If it's a mental health problem, fix the mental health problem.

Your lack of willingness to do even that means you don't care about either that problem or the gun problem.

But then, you're a Republican, which means this reminder is in order...

The Republican Party does not care about any political, social, or economic issue beyond how they can use it to smear their opponents.
 
IlGreven
2023-02-03 12:59:42 AM  

replacementcool: It's crazy how america's the only country in the world where "mental health issues" manifest as "Extraordinary acts of mass violence committed on a daily basis perpetrated by individuals with easily accessible firearms"


Maybe the developed world...

But then, the developed world has far better healthcare access and isn't actively forcing their employees to kill themselves over an amount of money that doesn't even cover their basic living expenses.
 
BuckTurgidson
2023-02-03 1:03:58 AM  

strathmeyer: A gun problem is when you need a gun but can't get one.


A gun problem is when you're "cleaning it" and totally not twirling it on your finger like a hotshot and someone gets shot.

A gun problem is when you have a gun you have no use for then you get down on yourself and look at the gun and look at the mirror and look at then gun again.

A gun problem is when you keep it loaded in the sock drawer and one of your toddlers finds it.

A gun problem is when you're mad at a random stranger and can't quite come up with the perfect insult - but you did bring your gun.

A gun problem is when you somehow "forgot" you had your loaded revolver in your carryon bag as you go through airport security.

A gun problem is when you can just go online and order a semi-automatic submachine pistol with high-capacity magazines to be delivered to your parents' house and just unbox your prize in the basement then take it to the nearest King Soopers for fun.

A gun problem is when you have a license to carry a gun, tell the traffic cop about it, obey his orders, then he shoots you to death anyway for having a gun.

A gun problem is when you are completely unarmed, obey the cops' every order and they shoot you to death anyway.

A gun problem is when you have all those guns and that ammo and wonder why but you must have had a reason so you'll find a use for all of it.
 
skyotter
2023-02-03 1:04:32 AM  
Counterpoint:  Mentally ill people without guns don't shoot anyone.
 
Mr. Shabooboo
2023-02-03 1:09:50 AM  
"Mental Health Problems"   Well that means the shooter isn't brown or or the "wrong" religion...

It's amazing how often this trope plays out...Just amazing...

And we go on to the next day...And the next shooter...And we get the same excuses depending on
color and social status..Time after time...Year upon Year....And little to nothing but lip service
is done...The tally marks for the dead and wounded just get added up...
 
cyberspacedout
2023-02-03 1:10:11 AM  

Tom Marvolo Bombadil: skybird659: it's not a gun problem, it's an 'access to guns' problem!

It's not an 'access to guns' problem, it's an 'access to ammunition' problem!


NSFW language:
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meathome
2023-02-03 1:18:03 AM  

acouvis: Bith Set Me Up: "'The real issue is mental illness' is a goddamn cop-out. I almost never hear it from actual mental health professionals, or advocates working in the mental health sphere, or anyone who actually has any kind of informed opinion on mental health or serious policy proposals for how to improve our treatment of the mentally ill in this country.

What I hear from people who bleat on about 'The real issue is mental illness,' when pressed for specific suggestions on how to deal with said 'real issue,' is terrifying nonsense designed to throw the mentally ill under the bus. Elliot Rodger's parents should've been able to force risperidone down his throat. Seung-Hui Cho should've been forcibly institutionalized. Anyone with a mental illness diagnosis should surrender all of their constitutional rights, right now, rather than at all compromise the right to bear arms of self-declared sane people.

What's interesting is to watch who the mentally ill people are being thrown under the bus to defend. In the wake of Sandy Hook, the NRA tells us that creating a national registry of firearms owners would be giving the government dangerously unchecked tyrannical power, but a national registry of the mentally ill would not -- even though a 'sane' person holding a gun is intrinsically more dangerous than a "crazy" person, no matter how crazy, without a gun.

We've successfully created a world so topsy-turvy that seeking medical help for depression or anxiety is apparently stronger evidence of violent tendencies than going out and purchasing a weapon whose only purpose is committing acts of violence. We've got a narrative going where doing the former is something we're OK with stigmatizing but not the latter. God bless America."

https://www.salon.com/2015/06/18/its_not_about_mental_illness_the_big_lie_that_always_follows_mass_shootings_by_white_males/

What I find ironic how Texas Republicans were all too happy to claim gun violence is a mental health issue a month after cutting millions in funding to mental health.


Yep. And did so just 4 days after the Uvalde school shooting.

Gov. Abbott was straight faced about stating that the shooter wasn't mentally ill, but had "evil in his heart", completely ignoring every reporter who pointed out that the kid was, in fact, seriously mentally ill (and despite his behavior, never received help).

That Texas keeps electing people like him is just jaw dropping.
 
The All-Powerful Atheismo
2023-02-03 1:19:44 AM  

FatherChaos: Joseph Jones



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RIP
 
TomFooolery
2023-02-03 1:21:47 AM  

dbaggins: Because his family, YOU, never lifted a finger to prevent him from having firearms.


Didn't read the article, did you?
 
maxandgrinch [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-03 1:24:16 AM  
FTA:  'You have to do the right things: drugs, alcohol - see a doctor, get medication.'

I wish my family was that supportive.
 
BuckTurgidson
2023-02-03 1:29:01 AM  

TomFooolery: dbaggins: Because his family, YOU, never lifted a finger to prevent him from having firearms.

Didn't read the article, did you?


His family and health authorities and the FBI knew he was schizophrenic threatening violence to all the world and a danger to himself and everyone around him, had been repeatedly institutionalized and treated to no avail - you can't just take a pill and cure your schizophrenia after all.

Aaaand he just walked into the local gun shop and walked out with a bullet-sprayer.

At least he died uninfringed.
 
TomFooolery
2023-02-03 1:40:01 AM  

BuckTurgidson: TomFooolery: dbaggins: Because his family, YOU, never lifted a finger to prevent him from having firearms.

Didn't read the article, did you?

His family and health authorities and the FBI knew he was schizophrenic threatening violence to all the world and a danger to himself and everyone around him, had been repeatedly institutionalized and treated to no avail - you can't just take a pill and cure your schizophrenia after all.

Aaaand he just walked into the local gun shop and walked out with a bullet-sprayer.

At least he died uninfringed.


None of which has anything to do with the clearly incorrect statement that the family didn't lift a finger to try to prevent him from having guns.
 
BuckTurgidson
2023-02-03 1:42:03 AM  

TomFooolery: BuckTurgidson: TomFooolery: dbaggins: Because his family, YOU, never lifted a finger to prevent him from having firearms.

Didn't read the article, did you?

His family and health authorities and the FBI knew he was schizophrenic threatening violence to all the world and a danger to himself and everyone around him, had been repeatedly institutionalized and treated to no avail - you can't just take a pill and cure your schizophrenia after all.

Aaaand he just walked into the local gun shop and walked out with a bullet-sprayer.

At least he died uninfringed.

None of which has anything to do with the clearly incorrect statement that the family didn't lift a finger to try to prevent him from having guns.


His family, according to TFA, did lift that finger.

He got the gun anyway.

What's your beef, actually?
 
BuckTurgidson
2023-02-03 1:44:55 AM  

TomFooolery: guns


Speaking of which, how are your guns?

Are they all OK?

Like, when was the last time you checked on them?
 
I Like Bread
2023-02-03 2:28:29 AM  
Sure, we definitely have a mental health problem in this country - that is completely separate from the gun problem.
 
AlgaeRancher [OhFark]
2023-02-03 2:29:06 AM  

howdoibegin: Employed adults who solve real world problems may be focused on one solution for a problem, but unless they're stupid, they are able to hold the nuanced view that a problem can have more than one cause, in differing proportions.


Username checks out
 
GrendelMk1
2023-02-03 2:39:50 AM  

I Like Bread: Sure, we definitely have a mental health problem in this country - that is completely separate from the gun problem.


When the unhinged nuts are guaranteed access to firearms, the 2 problems become related. But you know that, don't you?

This might be the most offensively stupid opinion that's actually common in the US.

Your country is FARKED. There's a great many reasons, this is just one, but holy SHIAT you need to unfark yourself. You've become a warning, rather than a shining light on a hill.
 
Badafuco [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-03 2:42:58 AM  
Well, he's not a problem anymore.
 
Wine Sipping Elitist [TotalFark]
2023-02-03 2:43:35 AM  
"I said, 'Hey my nephew is schizophrenic. He's demanding his firearm; I'm not giving it back to him.' They came here, and by law, they were required to actually give him back his firearm."

Nice police work there, Lou.
 
Wine Sipping Elitist [TotalFark]
2023-02-03 2:44:02 AM  

AlgaeRancher: howdoibegin: Employed adults who solve real world problems may be focused on one solution for a problem, but unless they're stupid, they are able to hold the nuanced view that a problem can have more than one cause, in differing proportions.

Username checks out


Heh, I had the same thought
 
I Like Bread
2023-02-03 2:48:40 AM  

GrendelMk1: This might be the most offensively stupid opinion that's actually common in the US.


Sorry my point went sailing over your head.
When we conflate these two problems into one problem, it only gives leeway to those with small-minded agendas to say that guns aren't "the problem". There are two separate problems and they both need to be addressed.
 
1funguy
2023-02-03 4:37:41 AM  
Guns don't kill people.

Conservatives owned by corporate interests do.
 
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