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edmo [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-02 8:59:56 PM  
Since most aren't supposed to be calling, why not crack down with prosecutions, fines, and prison?
 
vudukungfu [TotalFark]
2023-02-02 9:01:48 PM  

edmo: Since most aren't supposed to be calling, why not crack down with prosecutions, fines, and prison?


I'm ok with the prison part. First time offender: Prison
Second time: Step it up.
 
fragMasterFlash [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-02 9:08:08 PM  
Most telemarketers are not based in the US. Maybe crack down on phone companies that allow foreign call centers to spam people in the US?
 
Benevolent Misanthrope [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-02 11:05:42 PM  

fragMasterFlash: Most telemarketers are not based in the US. Maybe crack down on phone companies that allow foreign call centers to spam people in the US?


LOL - what the hell do you think this is?  You think they're actually trying to DO something?  No.  They're trying to look like they're doing somthing.
 
NateAsbestos [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-02 11:17:42 PM  

fragMasterFlash: Most telemarketers are not based in the US. Maybe crack down on phone companies that allow foreign call centers to spam people in the US?


Or even a serious problem, like *waves in general at America*

Telemarketers are obnoxious and all, but not exactly a priority problem for most people, I'd say.
 
fatassbastard [TotalFark]
2023-02-02 11:40:17 PM  
Do people still have "home phones"?
 
Excelsior
2023-02-02 11:41:06 PM  

edmo: Since most aren't supposed to be calling, why not crack down with prosecutions, fines, and prison?


Forcing them to state their *actual* number should make it much easier to track them down and enumerate the # of offenses to slap those fine s on them, plus if they were to hand out fake information it's likely going to cost them a bunch of sales if their marks can't get a hold of them later on those numbers

win-win.
 
Sofa King Smart
2023-02-02 11:43:12 PM  
Jerry Seinfeld in Pulp Fiction [DeepFake]
Youtube S1MBVXkQbWU
 
Snarcoleptic_Hoosier
2023-02-02 11:45:24 PM  

Excelsior: edmo: Since most aren't supposed to be calling, why not crack down with prosecutions, fines, and prison?

Forcing them to state their *actual* number should make it much easier to track them down and enumerate the # of offenses to slap those fine s on them, plus if they were to hand out fake information it's likely going to cost them a bunch of sales if their marks can't get a hold of them later on those numbers

win-win.


Unless they're in India and don't care about US laws. I recommend ethnic slurs and verbal abuse.

"I don't speak to untouchables. Give me your manager" seems to get great results.
 
WTP 2
2023-02-02 11:48:06 PM  
better... and real..

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farkitallletitend
2023-02-02 11:51:47 PM  
Hi, I'm working with the fireman's fund here in Nigeria. The prince says hello. We need your help today....
 
Officer Barrelroll
2023-02-02 11:58:13 PM  
I started to get a bunch a flash sms messages lately. Huge freaking pain. They seem to have stopped so maybe the carrier figured out how to block them.

I still get an absurd amount of spam calls. I need to use an app that can block number series again. I still have a cell phone number from 20+ years ago and live nowhere near that area code. Nobody with a number I don't know if calling me from that area code.
 
maxandgrinch [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-02 11:58:49 PM  
Jerry's ego really needed this.
 
zerkalo
2023-02-03 12:01:08 AM  
You're not dealing with AT&T
 
Iworkformsn
2023-02-03 12:03:49 AM  

fatassbastard: Do people still have "home phones"?


Republican voters do.
 
DON.MAC [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-03 12:14:54 AM  
Those of us in the rest of the English speeding world aren't impressed by the efforts in the US since the call volumes have gone way up.

A friend uses a bad accent to claim they are calling the Pakistanian secret service hacking division.

I've told "Microsoft" of course there are computer viruses on my pc, I write them for a living... hasn't it crashed your computer network yet?  there must be a bug.
 
fnordfocus [TotalFark]
2023-02-03 12:19:56 AM  
The government has no interest in enforcing the laws they already have, so I can't see this making any difference.

I get that the out and out scams about how they need my credit card number to cancel an Amazon order for iPhones and antivirus software, or that the Sheriff is coming to arrest me because my Social Security number was cancelled by the IRS might be hard to deal with.

But the extended warranty bullshiat? And the nonstop Hilton timeshare crap? That's coming from the US. And already illegal for a lot of reasons. I've shifted business to Marriott because they won't farking stop, and I've told them. Not that they care about a few grand from scum like me.
 
DarkSoulNoHope
2023-02-03 12:23:51 AM  
Sorry Dude (The Simpsons)
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Mikeyworld
2023-02-03 12:24:13 AM  

Excelsior: edmo: Since most aren't supposed to be calling, why not crack down with prosecutions, fines, and prison?

Forcing them to state their *actual* number should make it much easier to track them down and enumerate the # of offenses to slap those fine s on them, plus if they were to hand out fake information it's likely going to cost them a bunch of sales if their marks can't get a hold of them later on those numbers

win-win.


We need to fine the service your connected to for allowing false IDs and phone numbers to reach you. They can force the banning of fake IDS and robocalls thru legislation

/ the 'Do not call' isn't being enforced.
// So, It's the govt's fault
 
foo monkey
2023-02-03 12:30:51 AM  
I'm sure the overseas call centers will jump at the opportunity to give their real number slowly, carefully, then repeat it if asked.
 
baxterdog
2023-02-03 12:31:15 AM  

NateAsbestos: fragMasterFlash: Most telemarketers are not based in the US. Maybe crack down on phone companies that allow foreign call centers to spam people in the US?

Or even a serious problem, like *waves in general at America*

Telemarketers are obnoxious and all, but not exactly a priority problem for most people, I'd say.


I would say that it definitely has become a problem for every single person that owns and operates a phone these days. Poll your friends, poll our coworkers. Nobody I know answers their phone if the number doesn't show up as a contact any longer.

This has changed how we interact a lot. For me, if the caller doesn't leave a message or text then that number gets put in the block list. And I am clearly not alone in doing this, rigidly.

Even a couple of years ago I would answer the phone if it rang. Not any more, not ever. Unless it's in my contacts.
 
foo monkey
2023-02-03 12:34:12 AM  

NateAsbestos: fragMasterFlash: Most telemarketers are not based in the US. Maybe crack down on phone companies that allow foreign call centers to spam people in the US?

Or even a serious problem, like *waves in general at America*

Telemarketers are obnoxious and all, but not exactly a priority problem for most people, I'd say.


Enough voters complained to make this happen.
 
Prof. Frink [BareFark]
2023-02-03 12:35:22 AM  

vudukungfu: edmo: Since most aren't supposed to be calling, why not crack down with prosecutions, fines, and prison?

I'm ok with the prison part. First time offender: Prison
Second time: Step it up.


Step it up indeed.

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trasnform
2023-02-03 12:37:25 AM  
It's weird, over the last three years it seems to go in a cycle of 3 months on, 3 months off. But in the last 6 months I've gotten a few stragglers, but mostly it has stopped. My guess is pretty much nobody answers the phone anymore. Honestly I could probably delete the phone app and just have data and texting and nothing would change.
 
sex_and_drugs_for_ian [BareFark]
2023-02-03 12:42:52 AM  

baxterdog: Nobody I know answers their phone if the number doesn't show up as a contact any longer.


My concern is always that it's a driver with a shipment trying to figure out where to do his drop off.

Normally I'll use the auto-text feature "I'll call you right back", and if it's a driver I get an "ok", and if it's some telemarketer swine, I get a "this is a land line" message.

It's a good work around, but it's an absolute obscenity that my phone is mostly worthless for incoming calls from unknown parties.
 
ukexpat
2023-02-03 12:47:14 AM  

fragMasterFlash: Most telemarketers are not based in the US. Maybe crack down on phone companies that allow foreign call centers to spam people in the US?


...and who do so using spoofed phone numbers.
 
MikeyFuccon
2023-02-03 12:48:00 AM  
What telemarketers?

Only blatant scammers are still cold calling people in hope that a dementia case will pick up the phone.

Seinfeldleft the airwaves in 1998. This has come a bit late, surely?
 
Huck And Molly Ziegler
2023-02-03 12:50:26 AM  

Iworkformsn: fatassbastard: Do people still have "home phones"?

Republican voters do.


I still have mine. A landline perhaps isn't the wisest use of monthly money, but I believe it does afford a back-up measure of medical and locational security when one lives alone.

/ not republican
 
Grand_Moff_Joseph [TotalFark]
2023-02-03 1:42:39 AM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Unless they're in India and don't care about US laws


ok, then block all inbound calls from India's phone exchange. No exceptions. If they want to reverse that, they can get back to us when they've shuttered their telemarketing mills.
 
skiinstructor
2023-02-03 1:45:53 AM  
My lady loves talking to the random scammers, i.e. " so I hear you're having a baby" "how's the weather there in Delhi?" "How tall is your building?"" What does your mother think of how you steal other people's money?"usually gets a hangup if the first two don't... I'll tell her to try " I don't talk to untouchables, let me speak to your manager"...My cue is when they try to pronounce my last name and fail at it...
 
chapmangregio
2023-02-03 1:56:36 AM  

fatassbastard: Do people still have "home phones"?


I'm a geezer and still have mine.  Five of them.  I have been trying to get ride of the damn things for decades now, but the old lady would have a conniption fit if I just went ahead and did it.  A grandma's wrath is nothing I want to deal with. Life's too short.
 
OgreMagi
2023-02-03 2:03:07 AM  
In a sci fie book I read years ago, someone created a nanobot based AI creature that hunted down and killed telemarketers.  I'm starting to think that might not be such a bad idea.
 
OgreMagi
2023-02-03 2:11:36 AM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Unless they're in India and don't care about US laws

ok, then block all inbound calls from India's phone exchange. No exceptions. If they want to reverse that, they can get back to us when they've shuttered their telemarketing mills.


The telemarketing business could be cleaned up very easily.  With a law that implements some requirements.

1. Caller ID must be valid.  Exceptions for things like large corporations that want all outgoing calls to show the primary business number.  Consumers are allowed to hide their own numbers, but it can not be used for business purposes.  Call receivers would have the option to accept or reject call from hidden numbers.

2. Require US telecoms to block calls from foreign switches that allow spoofed caller ID.  Goodbye India.

3. Allow consumers to block numbers and to automatically reject hidden numbers without additional service charges.

All three of these are technically possible.
 
Robinfro
2023-02-03 2:44:13 AM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Excelsior: edmo: Since most aren't supposed to be calling, why not crack down with prosecutions, fines, and prison?

Forcing them to state their *actual* number should make it much easier to track them down and enumerate the # of offenses to slap those fine s on them, plus if they were to hand out fake information it's likely going to cost them a bunch of sales if their marks can't get a hold of them later on those numbers

win-win.

Unless they're in India and don't care about US laws. I recommend ethnic slurs and verbal abuse.

"I don't speak to untouchables. Give me your manager" seems to get great results.


I reply to all obviously Indian scammers who try to become a member on my Facebook groups with: तुम्हारी माँ मवेशियों के साथ व्यभिचार करती है। चले जाओ।
 
OgreMagi
2023-02-03 3:14:55 AM  

Robinfro: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Excelsior: edmo: Since most aren't supposed to be calling, why not crack down with prosecutions, fines, and prison?

Forcing them to state their *actual* number should make it much easier to track them down and enumerate the # of offenses to slap those fine s on them, plus if they were to hand out fake information it's likely going to cost them a bunch of sales if their marks can't get a hold of them later on those numbers

win-win.

Unless they're in India and don't care about US laws. I recommend ethnic slurs and verbal abuse.

"I don't speak to untouchables. Give me your manager" seems to get great results.

I reply to all obviously Indian scammers who try to become a member on my Facebook groups with: तुम्हारी माँ मवेशियों के साथ व्यभिचार करती है। चले जाओ।


For Chinese scammers, I post

六四天安門事件 六四屠杀

Which translates as "June 4 Tiananmen Incident June 4 Massacre" and works way better than insults.
 
qorkfiend
2023-02-03 3:29:04 AM  

OgreMagi: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Unless they're in India and don't care about US laws

ok, then block all inbound calls from India's phone exchange. No exceptions. If they want to reverse that, they can get back to us when they've shuttered their telemarketing mills.

The telemarketing business could be cleaned up very easily.  With a law that implements some requirements.

1. Caller ID must be valid.  Exceptions for things like large corporations that want all outgoing calls to show the primary business number.  Consumers are allowed to hide their own numbers, but it can not be used for business purposes.  Call receivers would have the option to accept or reject call from hidden numbers.

2. Require US telecoms to block calls from foreign switches that allow spoofed caller ID.  Goodbye India.

3. Allow consumers to block numbers and to automatically reject hidden numbers without additional service charges.

All three of these are technically possible.


Yeah, "just don't let anyone in the US talk to India" won't be on the list.
 
OgreMagi
2023-02-03 3:31:06 AM  

qorkfiend: OgreMagi: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Unless they're in India and don't care about US laws

ok, then block all inbound calls from India's phone exchange. No exceptions. If they want to reverse that, they can get back to us when they've shuttered their telemarketing mills.

The telemarketing business could be cleaned up very easily.  With a law that implements some requirements.

1. Caller ID must be valid.  Exceptions for things like large corporations that want all outgoing calls to show the primary business number.  Consumers are allowed to hide their own numbers, but it can not be used for business purposes.  Call receivers would have the option to accept or reject call from hidden numbers.

2. Require US telecoms to block calls from foreign switches that allow spoofed caller ID.  Goodbye India.

3. Allow consumers to block numbers and to automatically reject hidden numbers without additional service charges.

All three of these are technically possible.

Yeah, "just don't let anyone in the US talk to India" won't be on the list.


We give them time (up to a year) to get their shiat in order before we drop the hammer.
 
OgreMagi
2023-02-03 3:34:01 AM  

OgreMagi: qorkfiend: OgreMagi: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Unless they're in India and don't care about US laws

ok, then block all inbound calls from India's phone exchange. No exceptions. If they want to reverse that, they can get back to us when they've shuttered their telemarketing mills.

The telemarketing business could be cleaned up very easily.  With a law that implements some requirements.

1. Caller ID must be valid.  Exceptions for things like large corporations that want all outgoing calls to show the primary business number.  Consumers are allowed to hide their own numbers, but it can not be used for business purposes.  Call receivers would have the option to accept or reject call from hidden numbers.

2. Require US telecoms to block calls from foreign switches that allow spoofed caller ID.  Goodbye India.

3. Allow consumers to block numbers and to automatically reject hidden numbers without additional service charges.

All three of these are technically possible.

Yeah, "just don't let anyone in the US talk to India" won't be on the list.

We give them time (up to a year) to get their shiat in order before we drop the hammer.


But I would require that during that transition period, all spoofed numbers are removed so your phone shows "NO NUMBER" or a similar message.  That's to get rid of those damn "local" calls from telemarketers and scammers.
 
qorkfiend
2023-02-03 4:21:31 AM  

OgreMagi: qorkfiend: OgreMagi: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Unless they're in India and don't care about US laws

ok, then block all inbound calls from India's phone exchange. No exceptions. If they want to reverse that, they can get back to us when they've shuttered their telemarketing mills.

The telemarketing business could be cleaned up very easily.  With a law that implements some requirements.

1. Caller ID must be valid.  Exceptions for things like large corporations that want all outgoing calls to show the primary business number.  Consumers are allowed to hide their own numbers, but it can not be used for business purposes.  Call receivers would have the option to accept or reject call from hidden numbers.

2. Require US telecoms to block calls from foreign switches that allow spoofed caller ID.  Goodbye India.

3. Allow consumers to block numbers and to automatically reject hidden numbers without additional service charges.

All three of these are technically possible.

Yeah, "just don't let anyone in the US talk to India" won't be on the list.

We give them time (up to a year) to get their shiat in order before we drop the hammer.


Still not going to be on the list
 
AtlanticCoast63
2023-02-03 5:10:55 AM  

fatassbastard: Do people still have "home phones"?


Not so much any more, but businesses still do - and it's been bad the last couple weeks, easily 10-15 spam/no-answer calls a day while I'm trying to keep the asylum moving in one direction without killing someone.
 
Swiss Colony
2023-02-03 5:12:44 AM  
I frequently get these calls to my mobile. Always from a Madrid number (I live in Spain) and always offering me a better deal for my mobile phone. I've taken to answering very politely, but only in English. The calls go something like this.

Me: Hello
Telemarketer: Hola, soy Juan de Vodafone españa blah blah.
Me: I'm terribly sorry, I don't understand Spanish, you'l need to speak English.
TM: Que? No hablo ingles, soy Juan de Vodafone españa blah blah.
Me: I understand you want to sell me something? Lovely, but you'll need to speak English to do so.
TM: I, uh, I no English.
Me: That's a shame, because you're going to have a tricky time selling me something if you can't speak my language!
TM: [click]
 
Tom Marvolo Bombadil
2023-02-03 5:54:45 AM  
"Hi, this is Tom!  I'm selling penile enlargement supplements for Embiggen LLC.  You can reach us at 900-867-5309 if we get disconnected.  Now, do you ever feel like the little guy downstairs seems a bit modest compared to all those magnificent trouser commandos on the internet?"
 
namegoeshere [TotalFark]
2023-02-03 6:20:33 AM  
The woman who calls and speaks Mandarin to me can state her name, address, and phone number all she wants. I'm not going to understand that any more than anything else she says.
 
amigafin [BareFark]
2023-02-03 7:14:21 AM  
And if they don't comply, how are you going to catch them?  They didn't tell you anything, so who do you report?
 
LoneVVolf
2023-02-03 7:42:19 AM  

Excelsior: Forcing them to state their *actual* number should make it much easier to track them down and enumerate the # of offenses to slap those fine s on them


I'm sure Ranjit from the IRS is totes going to give you his personal cell to call back with before telling you that you need to pay him your back taxes in Amazon gift cards.
 
Flowery Twats
2023-02-03 7:44:09 AM  

fragMasterFlash: Most telemarketers are not based in the US. Maybe crack down on phone companies that allow foreign call centers to spam people in the US?


If it's not someone with a heavy South Asian accent, it's a bot calling for some "Law Enforcement charity"

I don't see this law having a lot of effect.

The US carriers know who the VOIP gateway providers are, and they know which ones are pumping these calls into the system. They also know they can charge them (and I wouldn't underestimate the possibility that they're charging them premium rates because they're robocallers).
 
Flowery Twats
2023-02-03 7:46:46 AM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Unless they're in India and don't care about US laws

ok, then block all inbound calls from India's phone exchange. No exceptions. If they want to reverse that, they can get back to us when they've shuttered their telemarketing mills.


That would work if they were using phones. They're using VOIP and going through VOIP to landline gateways in the US
 
big pig peaches
2023-02-03 7:50:14 AM  
I'm in the Do Not Call list so I don't have to worry about telemarketers.
 
SpectroBoy [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-03 7:51:52 AM  

edmo: Since most aren't supposed to be calling, why not crack down with prosecutions, fines, and prison?



THIS.

It's already illegal if you are on the do not call list.

The REAL fix would be for phone companies to stop accepting traffic from shiathole voip providers. But there's money it handling the spam calls so they won't
 
Breaker Breaker
2023-02-03 7:52:41 AM  
This is useless. I don't spend 30 seconds on the phone with any telemarketer, they already give you an American sounding name with a heavy foreign accent, and most of the ones I get are calling internationally using spoofed US numbers.

After the telltale beep I have started answering with: "Thank you for calling the Jehovahs Witnesses Connect Center. We are so happy to know you have choosen Jesus as your Lord and Savior. Please hold for our next customer ser"....click.

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