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koder [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-02 6:20:40 PM  
"The minivan reversed at a high rate of speed, before hitting a tree, at which point the vehicle accelerated rapidly at our officers," she said. "The officers fired four shots at the minivan as the minivan was accelerating towards them."

Well I for one can't wait to explicitly avoid seeing the body/dashcam footage that probably shows he was shot before the van accelerated wildly.

Or the media should just stop parroting what police say unless they release unedited camera footage each time.
 
BigMax [TotalFark]
2023-02-02 6:21:11 PM  
FTFA:

"With the vehicle smoking and the engine still running, our officers forced their way into the minivan and pulled Mr. Frasure from it. They then provided life-saving careand he was transported to University Hospital," she said.

No, they didn't provide life-saving care. They shot him and he died.
 
edmo [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-02 6:47:18 PM  
She said Frasure was in a minivan and refused commands to exit.
"The minivan reversed at a high rate of speed, before hitting a tree, at which point the vehicle accelerated rapidly at our officers," she said. "The officers fired four shots at the minivan as the minivan was accelerating towards them."

I believe none of this. I no longer trust any cops to be honest.
 
BenSaw2 [TotalFark]
2023-02-02 6:58:10 PM  
There is nothing true in the police statement, I'd bet.
 
maddogdelta
2023-02-02 7:00:25 PM  
1. Don't believe anything about this other than cops shot him in cold blood.
2. Surprised by the victim being white.
 
MythDragon
2023-02-02 7:00:31 PM  

BigMax: FTFA:

"With the vehicle smoking and the engine still running, our officers forced their way into the minivan and pulled Mr. Frasure from it. They then provided life-saving careand he was transported to University Hospital," she said.

No, they didn't provide life-saving care. They shot him and he died.


No, they really did.
They gave him two of these
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It just didn't help

/and then they also added a DWI charge for the rum
 
basho
2023-02-02 7:01:02 PM  
"With the vehicle smoking and the engine still running, our officers forced their way into the minivan and pulled Mr. Frasure from it. They then provided life-saving care and he was transported to University Hospital," she said.

Another round to the head?

WTF Ohio.

/ Life-long Ohioan
// Cincinnati is part of The South
 
bedonkadonk [TotalFark]
2023-02-02 7:03:18 PM  
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neongoats [TotalFark]
2023-02-02 7:03:21 PM  
The minivan reversed at a high rate of speed, before hitting a tree, at which point the vehicle accelerated rapidly at our officers," she said. "The officers fired four shots at the minivan as the minivan was accelerating towards them."

sure, that happened
 
pastramithemosterotic
2023-02-02 7:04:09 PM  

MythDragon: BigMax: FTFA:

"With the vehicle smoking and the engine still running, our officers forced their way into the minivan and pulled Mr. Frasure from it. They then provided life-saving careand he was transported to University Hospital," she said.

No, they didn't provide life-saving care. They shot him and he died.

No, they really did.
They gave him two of these
[encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 600x600]
It just didn't help

/and then they also added a DWI charge for the rum


I used to get those in my Xmas stocking. They were good
 
Ravage [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-02 7:04:28 PM  

BigMax: FTFA:

"With the vehicle smoking and the engine still running, our officers forced their way into the minivan and pulled Mr. Frasure from it. They then provided life-saving careand he was transported to University Hospital," she said.

No, they didn't provide life-saving care. They shot him and he died.


Came here to say this. See I was beat to the punch.
 
darinwil
2023-02-02 7:05:25 PM  
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Trocadero
2023-02-02 7:05:40 PM  

MythDragon: BigMax: FTFA:

"With the vehicle smoking and the engine still running, our officers forced their way into the minivan and pulled Mr. Frasure from it. They then provided life-saving careand he was transported to University Hospital," she said.

No, they didn't provide life-saving care. They shot him and he died.

No, they really did.
They gave him two of these
[encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 600x600]
It just didn't help

/and then they also added a DWI charge for the rum


MythDragon: BigMax: FTFA:

"With the vehicle smoking and the engine still running, our officers forced their way into the minivan and pulled Mr. Frasure from it. They then provided life-saving careand he was transported to University Hospital," she said.

No, they didn't provide life-saving care. They shot him and he died.

No, they really did.
They gave him two of these
[encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 600x600]
It just didn't help

/and then they also added a DWI charge for the rum


That's b/c they gave him the worst flavor, instead of watermelon.
 
Bith Set Me Up
2023-02-02 7:06:52 PM  
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Prof. Frink [BareFark]
2023-02-02 7:06:53 PM  
Maybe if his grandmother had been on time instead of late, he wouldn't have had to speed and the officers wouldn't feel as threatened.
 
princhester
2023-02-02 7:07:00 PM  
Speed is rate of change of position.  So a high rate of speed is the rate of rate of change of position.  Which doesn't make sense but doing the best I can, wouldn't the rate of rate of change of position be zero?
 
endosymbiont
2023-02-02 7:07:11 PM  
"The minivan reversed at a high rate of speed, before hitting a tree, at which point the vehicle accelerated rapidly at our officers,"

I know it doesn't work like this, but I'm just posting this to show that this quote was already CTRL-C'd into my clipboard before coming into this thread (so I could comment, "Yeah, that didn't happen...").
Glad to see basically everybody is already way ahead of me.

/didn't happen
//cops like, and lie some more, kill people, and keep lying
///cops are NOT useful for anything
 
hammettman
2023-02-02 7:10:35 PM  
Old enough to laugh at this headline.
He's white, still sad.
Died at the wheel of a minivan.
 
Neondistraction
2023-02-02 7:11:42 PM  

endosymbiont: "The minivan reversed at a high rate of speed, before hitting a tree, at which point the vehicle accelerated rapidly at our officers,"

I know it doesn't work like this, but I'm just posting this to show that this quote was already CTRL-C'd into my clipboard before coming into this thread (so I could comment, "Yeah, that didn't happen...").
Glad to see basically everybody is already way ahead of me.

/didn't happen
//cops like, and lie some more, kill people, and keep lying
///cops are NOT useful for anything


Hey that's not true.  Cops are useful for SWATing people you don't like and potentially killing them.
 
Neondistraction
2023-02-02 7:15:47 PM  
I'd like to point out to certain bootlickers that we are all just as upset that a white guy got shot.  We just want cops to stop killing people at the drop of a hat, regardless of their race.

/ the fact that it seems to happen to a disproportionate number of minorities is a whole other matter
 
DonkeyDixon
2023-02-02 7:16:03 PM  

BenSaw2: There is nothing true in the police statement, I'd bet.


Sure there is. "The officers fired ... shots"
 
NathanAllen
2023-02-02 7:17:17 PM  
Notwithstanding trigger happy pigs, maybe there's a better time to clean out a family member's apartment.
 
HighlanderRPI
2023-02-02 7:18:02 PM  
Without the body cams, shouldn't the media be framing it with statements like

The police allegedly identified themselves and allegedly ordered him out of the vehicle

The police allegedly provided life saving measures

Because that's more accurate given any lack of proof
 
Elzar
2023-02-02 7:18:44 PM  

maddogdelta: 1. Don't believe anything about this other than cops shot him in cold blood.
2. Surprised by the victim being white.


The American police force only exists to serve and protect their corporate masters/property. The majority of them have white nationalist/racist tendencies which they often choose to act upon. If you are unfortunate enough to cross paths with them, they will fark you up regardless of the color of your skin.
 
bhcompy [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-02 7:24:32 PM  
They then provided life-saving care and he was transported to University Hospital

They're a regular Jack Kevorkian
 
Loucifer
2023-02-02 7:30:14 PM  

princhester: Speed is rate of change of position.  So a high rate of speed is the rate of rate of change of position.  Which doesn't make sense but doing the best I can, wouldn't the rate of rate of change of position be zero?


That's some first rate analysis.
 
daveb0rg [TotalFark]
2023-02-02 7:30:27 PM  

MythDragon: BigMax: FTFA:

"With the vehicle smoking and the engine still running, our officers forced their way into the minivan and pulled Mr. Frasure from it. They then provided life-saving careand he was transported to University Hospital," she said.

No, they didn't provide life-saving care. They shot him and he died.

No, they really did.
They gave him two of these
[encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 600x600]
It just didn't help

/and then they also added a DWI charge for the rum


OMG I haven't had those in forever.....such a good flavor.
 
Ghost Roach [BareFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-02 7:35:15 PM  

BigMax: FTFA:

"With the vehicle smoking and the engine still running, our officers forced their way into the minivan and pulled Mr. Frasure from it. They then provided life-saving careand he was transported to University Hospital," she said.

No, they didn't provide life-saving care. They shot him and he died.


They nevsr said whose life they were saving.

Hint: it was their own lives, endangered by the civilian assailant. That had been shot. And was possibly already dead at the time
 
Ghost Roach [BareFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-02 7:35:49 PM  

BenSaw2: There is nothing true in the police statement, I'd bet.


Maybe the time and date of the incident.

Maybe
 
princhester
2023-02-02 7:37:27 PM  

Loucifer: princhester: Speed is rate of change of position.  So a high rate of speed is the rate of rate of change of position.  Which doesn't make sense but doing the best I can, wouldn't the rate of rate of change of position be zero?

That's some first rate analysis.


I like to think of it as first rate analysis of second order rate.
 
DarnoKonrad
2023-02-02 7:43:30 PM  
defund disarm the police
 
Red Shirt Blues
2023-02-02 7:44:14 PM  
Friday bodycam dump? Bad sign.
 
Don't Lag Me Bro
2023-02-02 7:54:28 PM  
I'm putting money on it was pitch black, and nobody shouted "WE ARE POLICE, STEP OUT OF THE VEHICLE WITH YOUR HANDS UP".
So the victim just saw a bunch of guys with guns out and floored it.
But my guess is shots were fired before the tree was hiat. So the victim just saw guns blazing without a chance to respond. Or, he gunned it after the first shot, then the cops shot more.
 
Shakin_Haitian
2023-02-02 7:57:17 PM  

koder: "The minivan reversed at a high rate of speed, before hitting a tree, at which point the vehicle accelerated rapidly at our officers," she said. "The officers fired four shots at the minivan as the minivan was accelerating towards them."

Well I for one can't wait to explicitly avoid seeing the body/dashcam footage that probably shows he was shot before the van accelerated wildly.

Or the media should just stop parroting what police say unless they release unedited camera footage each time.


They sprinkled a van on him.

/Yes I know
 
tlars699
2023-02-02 7:58:44 PM  

princhester: Speed is rate of change of position.  So a high rate of speed is the rate of rate of change of position.  Which doesn't make sense but doing the best I can, wouldn't the rate of rate of change of position be zero?


Incorrect.

The "rate of speed" in English typically means that the speed is high. Because speed is the rate you're judging to be high. There are more precise words out there, but it's common enough in Enlightenment and Industrial writings.

The physics "rate of speed" means acceleration. Meters/ (Second)^2  Police say it was High acceleration, come at you faster and faster, bad times, had to shoot em up.
Never mind the fact that the victim was probably shot first and missed the brake because he was shot.

We would call this acceleration a second derivative in calculus. You can always have a second rate of change with time as the independent variable. Like their position changed, and you want to see how fast that changed, and then you want to see if the changes are likely to keep increasing or decreasing.

You don't buy stocks, do you? Like there's the puts and the options or whatnot? The second level of rate changes? yeah. That.
 
Shakin_Haitian
2023-02-02 7:59:14 PM  

maddogdelta: 1. Don't believe anything about this other than cops shot him in cold blood.
2. Surprised by the victim being white.


If you're poor, skin color doesn't matter. I'm wondering if this guy was poor.
 
austerity101 [BareFark]
2023-02-02 8:00:58 PM  
Abolish the police.
 
darinwil
2023-02-02 8:02:51 PM  

DarnoKonrad: defund disarm the police


Until that happens, they should also be de-armed, eventually there won't be enough left with arms to have hands to pull the trigger.

/Who am I kidding they'd rig up something to fire by blinking or something.
 
austerity101 [BareFark]
2023-02-02 8:05:05 PM  

DarnoKonrad: defund disarm the police


Defund disarm abolish the police.
 
SBinRR [OhFark]
2023-02-02 8:05:09 PM  
She said Frasure was in a minivan and refused commands to exit.
"The minivan reversed at a high rate of speed, before hitting a tree, at which point the vehicle accelerated rapidly at our officers," she said. "The officers fired four shots at the minivan as the minivan was accelerating towards them."
The Hamilton County Sheriff's office said Frasure was struck in the gunfire.
After the shooting, the car struck the building.
"With the vehicle smoking and the engine still running, our officers forced their way into the minivan and pulled Mr. Frasure from it. They then provided life-saving care and he was transported to University Hospital," she said.

I marked out the parts I would have believed 20 years ago.
 
darinwil
2023-02-02 8:05:16 PM  

Don't Lag Me Bro: I'm putting money on it was pitch black, and nobody shouted "WE ARE POLICE, STEP OUT OF THE VEHICLE WITH YOUR HANDS UP".
So the victim just saw a bunch of guys with guns out and floored it.
But my guess is shots were fired before the tree was hiat. So the victim just saw guns blazing without a chance to respond. Or, he gunned it after the first shot, then the cops shot more.


Could also have been the classic:
STOP! "blam blam blam blam" OR I'LL SHOOT!
 
Twilight Farkle [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-02 8:11:40 PM  

bhcompy: They then provided life-saving care and he was transported to University Hospital

They're a regular Jack Kevorkian


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austerity101 [BareFark]
2023-02-02 8:11:51 PM  
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princhester
2023-02-02 8:14:59 PM  

tlars699: The "rate of speed" in English typically means that the speed is high. Because speed is the rate you're judging to be high. There are more precise words out there, but it's common enough in Enlightenment and Industrial writings.

The physics "rate of speed" means acceleration. .


All that needed to be said was that the speed was high.  "Rate" of speed is nonsensical.  Speed does not have a rate - it is a rate.

I agree it's not an uncommon thing for people who are desperate to sound scientificky to use tautologies like "rate of speed".  But they actually sound like a officious know-nothings, to anyone who actually understands what the words mean.

And BTW acceleration is rate of change of speed.  Not rate of speed.
 
BiffSpiffy
2023-02-02 8:24:51 PM  

basho: Life-long Ohioan


So what are you in for?
 
darwinpolice [BareFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-02 8:35:15 PM  
"The Hamilton County Sheriff's office said Frasure was struck in the gunfire."

Hell yeah, NBC News, just uncritically regurgitate that god-awful copspeak. If you make that voice any more passive, it'll just become a complete impediment to understanding and we can all just go about our days.
 
raygundan
2023-02-02 8:40:32 PM  

princhester: tlars699: The "rate of speed" in English typically means that the speed is high. Because speed is the rate you're judging to be high. There are more precise words out there, but it's common enough in Enlightenment and Industrial writings.

The physics "rate of speed" means acceleration. .

All that needed to be said was that the speed was high.  "Rate" of speed is nonsensical.  Speed does not have a rate - it is a rate.

I agree it's not an uncommon thing for people who are desperate to sound scientificky to use tautologies like "rate of speed".  But they actually sound like a officious know-nothings, to anyone who actually understands what the words mean.

And BTW acceleration is rate of change of speed.  Not rate of speed.


If we're gonna pick nits, how the fark is "rate of speed" a tautology?
 
raygundan
2023-02-02 8:46:39 PM  

raygundan: princhester: tlars699: The "rate of speed" in English typically means that the speed is high. Because speed is the rate you're judging to be high. There are more precise words out there, but it's common enough in Enlightenment and Industrial writings.

The physics "rate of speed" means acceleration. .

All that needed to be said was that the speed was high.  "Rate" of speed is nonsensical.  Speed does not have a rate - it is a rate.

I agree it's not an uncommon thing for people who are desperate to sound scientificky to use tautologies like "rate of speed".  But they actually sound like a officious know-nothings, to anyone who actually understands what the words mean.

And BTW acceleration is rate of change of speed.  Not rate of speed.

If we're gonna pick nits, how the fark is "rate of speed" a tautology?


And the answer to that turns out to be "because there is a second definition I didn't know."

Point and laugh at my expense as needed, I've earned it.
 
Sexy Jesus
2023-02-02 8:54:12 PM  
Just because I like the game, I'm going to make a wild-assed guess as to what happened. He was already reversing when the cops walked up. They begin singing the song of their people, confusing and conflicting orders delivered in shouting command voices. Dude bumps into tree because he is distracted, confused and terrified. He tries to pull back forward to park and deal with the excited wolf pack and is shot dead. If audio is included with the bodycam footage, at least one officer will be heard yelling, "Stop resisting.", before they even encounter the target.
 
snowballinhell
2023-02-02 8:55:42 PM  

maddogdelta: 1. Don't believe anything about this other than cops shot him in cold blood.
2. Surprised by the victim being white.


It was dark. 130am. This is a confluence of ACAB
 
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