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themindiswatching [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-02 2:37:00 PM  
I'm surprised some red state hasn't tried to make it more difficult for people to quit somehow. For instance, by mandating a minimum of like 1-2 months of notice (from the normal 2 weeks) for "critical" jobs (which somehow gets so loosely defined that basically every job is "critical") on penalty of having to pay the company they just left for training the new person/hiring temps/etc. in the interim.

/though I guess having healthcare controlled by employers does the job well enough that the Job Creators™ don't need to do anything else.
 
MusicMakeMyHeadPound [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-02 3:03:11 PM  

themindiswatching: For instance, by mandating a minimum of like 1-2 months of notice (from the normal 2 weeks)


Just a reminder: two weeks is purely a "polite" social convention and not a legal requirement in an at-will employment relationship. Either party may terminate the relationship at any time for any or no reason. And if your employer is in the habit of cutting people loose suddenly then they've already set the tone of the game.

The only nuance is with PTO/benefits payout as outlined by your employee handbook (but there's nothing saying you can't take a two week vacation, come back, and then go out to lunch and then never return).
 
Rapmaster2000
2023-02-02 3:12:57 PM  
The "Great Regret" is the latest workplace trend to sweep the nation,

Can I have just 1 week without some new trend sweeping the nation?  I have trend fatigue.
 
squegeebooo
2023-02-02 3:14:17 PM  
Last time we had one of these articles, it ended up being something like 80% of the people who quit, who haven't found a new job yet, which actually only represents 5% of the total, have regrets.
 
Glorious Golden Ass [OhFark]
2023-02-02 3:15:14 PM  

Rapmaster2000: The "Great Regret" is the latest workplace trend to sweep the nation,

Can I have just 1 week without some new trend sweeping the nation?  I have trend fatigue.


Just wait until fetch catches on.
 
Marbleisheavy
2023-02-02 3:19:14 PM  

Rapmaster2000: The "Great Regret" is the latest workplace trend to sweep the nation,

Can I have just 1 week without some new trend sweeping the nation?  I have trend fatigue.


We're getting reports that people everywhere are getting tired of these nationwide trends.  Trend fatigue, is it the new workplace trend to sweep the nation?
 
Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste
2023-02-02 3:25:14 PM  
Published by corposucker central, a survey by an outfit called Paychex.

Yeah, gonna DOUBT
 
HotWingConspiracy
2023-02-02 3:26:51 PM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: The only nuance is with PTO/benefits payout as outlined by your employee handbook (but there's nothing saying you can't take a two week vacation, come back, and then go out to lunch and then never return).


I know someone who did exactly this. HR told her it wasn't allowed, she let them know the flight was booked and if they're serious about challenging her on it, provide the dated policy document that states such. Instead HR appealed to the president of the company who told them he didn't give a shiat, wished her a pleasant trip and that was the end of that.
 
MusicMakeMyHeadPound [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-02 3:29:08 PM  

squegeebooo: Last time we had one of these articles, it ended up being something like 80% of the people who quit, who haven't found a new job yet, which actually only represents 5% of the total, have regrets.


The point of this article seems to be more like:
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The biggest reported complaint was missing former coworkers. Gen Z hasn't learned how to deal with trauma-bonding just yet, which is appropriate for their current age.
 
Rapmaster2000
2023-02-02 3:29:47 PM  

Marbleisheavy: Rapmaster2000: The "Great Regret" is the latest workplace trend to sweep the nation,

Can I have just 1 week without some new trend sweeping the nation?  I have trend fatigue.

We're getting reports that people everywhere are getting tired of these nationwide trends.  Trend fatigue, is it the new workplace trend to sweep the nation?


Touche.
 
freakdiablo [TotalFark]
2023-02-02 3:33:38 PM  
I changed jobs towards the beginning of 2022 and will admit I regretted it - but mainly because the new company was worse.  As in having a PM flat out saying if I was going to charge 40hrs a week to his project I better be putting in 80, then double back later and say *he'd* be ok with 60.

Yeah, I'd be ok with that too if you switched me from salaried to hourly at the equivalent rate then gave me OT for anything above 40.

Switched back to my old job where everyone up the chain believes if you can't get it done in a standard 35-40 hour work week, the problem isn't with you.
 
MusicMakeMyHeadPound [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-02 3:39:21 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: I know someone who did exactly this. HR told her it wasn't allowed, she let them know the flight was booked and if they're serious about challenging her on it, provide the dated policy document that states such. Instead HR appealed to the president of the company who told them he didn't give a shiat, wished her a pleasant trip and that was the end of that.


CSB: I had an HR person who threatened to sue me over a non-compete agreement because I was quitting. She gloated about how that got me to shut up, so I read out loud every word she was saying that I was writing down (we were on the phone). 

"What are you doing?"

"Recording evidence for the countersuit. Keep talking."

"There won't be a countersuit, this is an open and shut case."

"So you'll be able to furnish a copy of this purported signed agreement because you have it right in front of you, right?"

There was the sound of shuffling papers. A grunt of panic. And then she hung up.

She called back a little while later saying the President of the company was graciously letting me go and wouldn't seek a lawsuit. F*cking fatass paper tiger with too much hairspray...
 
jso2897
2023-02-02 3:41:19 PM  
That's an ad.
 
quo vadimus
2023-02-02 3:47:43 PM  
Gen Xers missed the work-life balance from their previous jobs the most.

WTF industries were you all working in? Please, I need this information.
 
Kuroshin
2023-02-02 3:55:07 PM  

quo vadimus: Gen Xers missed the work-life balance from their previous jobs the most.

WTF industries were you all working in? Please, I need this information.


Yeah, no. We've never had that. Was never a thing. That's hilarious.
 
Snarcoleptic_Hoosier
2023-02-02 4:06:34 PM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: HotWingConspiracy: I know someone who did exactly this. HR told her it wasn't allowed, she let them know the flight was booked and if they're serious about challenging her on it, provide the dated policy document that states such. Instead HR appealed to the president of the company who told them he didn't give a shiat, wished her a pleasant trip and that was the end of that.

CSB: I had an HR person who threatened to sue me over a non-compete agreement because I was quitting. She gloated about how that got me to shut up, so I read out loud every word she was saying that I was writing down (we were on the phone). 

"What are you doing?"

"Recording evidence for the countersuit. Keep talking."

"There won't be a countersuit, this is an open and shut case."

"So you'll be able to furnish a copy of this purported signed agreement because you have it right in front of you, right?"

There was the sound of shuffling papers. A grunt of panic. And then she hung up.

She called back a little while later saying the President of the company was graciously letting me go and wouldn't seek a lawsuit. F*cking fatass paper tiger with too much hairspray...


If they make you sign one, sign it with your off hand (use your left hand if you're right handed). You can contest it as not your signature.
 
SBinRR [OhFark]
2023-02-02 4:12:02 PM  
Gen Z workers reminisce about their old jobs the most. A whopping 89% of Gen Zers say they regret quitting, and as a result, their mental health is on the decline.

That happens to a lot of young people that prematurely jump from a first job. They think their first job sucks.
Then they start their second job. They soon find out they kinda had it made at the first job.
 
tobcc
2023-02-02 4:14:24 PM  
Non competes are unenforceable.   They can threaten to sue, but it will get tossed.   You cant be sued because you gained a skill at a job.   If you leave and your customers follow you, then your company has to sue the customers (Let me know how that works out for you), as they have enforceable contracts.

Its a threat, and once again if you are going to leave and they threaten to sue you, you should run fast away.

//really good friend is the Chief Recruiting officer for staffing agency.
 
MusicMakeMyHeadPound [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-02 4:17:51 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: If they make you sign one, sign it with your off hand (use your left hand if you're right handed). You can contest it as not your signature.


There was a non-compete agreement when I was hired at that job. I didn't sign it. I threw it in the trash and was ready to walk if they made a stink about it being missing.

Ethically I stand by what I did. They lost the contract with the client through powers and mechanisms out of my control, they didn't KNOW they lost the contract (I found out by combing public records) which meant they'd be pressured to lay me off anyway, and I wanted to continue working with the client.
 
Barricaded Gunman
2023-02-02 4:22:55 PM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Just a reminder: two weeks is purely a "polite" social convention and not a legal requirement in an at-will employment relationship. ...if your employer is in the habit of cutting people loose suddenly then they've already set the tone of the game.


I remember quitting a place that routinely fired people on Friday afternoons with zero notice. So by the Wednesday of the week I planned to quit I had already cleaned out my office of everything I was taking.

By a fun coincidence they fired someone else that very Friday afternoon, so I stopped by the owner's office about quarter to five. The look on his face was priceless when I tapped on the his door, stuck my head in and told him it was my last day. This dick actually had the nerve to say "You're not giving me any notice? Yeah, real professional."

I just laughed at him. "Yeah? How much notice did you give Steve this afternoon? Works both ways."
 
Corn_Fed
2023-02-02 4:28:28 PM  

Rapmaster2000: The "Great Regret" is the latest workplace trend to sweep the nation,

Can I have just 1 week without some new trend sweeping the nation?  I have trend fatigue.


There is no such trend. This is just CNBC (an employER-friendly outlet) repeating the same dumb narrative it's been pushing since The Great Resignation began. CNBC is very unhappy that workers discovered the benefits of job-hopping, and has been peddling tiresome "articles" like this for over a year.

1) CNBC cherrypicks a poll which agrees with its pro-corporate editorial stance.

2) CNBC promotes that poll and reports on it.

3) Other outlets pick up the biased story and run it too.

4) The media decides this narrative must be "a new trend" since multiple outlets have run the story.

5) The story dies down, since it's actually bullshiat.

6) CNBC cherrypicks a poll....etc. Rinse, repeat.
 
mcreadyblue
2023-02-02 4:29:16 PM  

tobcc: Non competes are unenforceable.   They can threaten to sue, but it will get tossed.   You cant be sued because you gained a skill at a job.   If you leave and your customers follow you, then your company has to sue the customers (Let me know how that works out for you), as they have enforceable contracts.

Its a threat, and once again if you are going to leave and they threaten to sue you, you should run fast away.

//really good friend is the Chief Recruiting officer for staffing agency.


Had a colleague who got a new job and bragged about it. VP of HR called up the hiring company and informed them of the non compete.   Offer was withdrawn.
 
Barbeaubot
2023-02-02 4:38:16 PM  
I quit a terribly managed company in 2021 and landed the best job I've ever had. Great working environment, tasks that were actually interesting with a noticeable affect on the business when implemented. They lost funding and I got laid off about 8 months in. Got another job, full remote, but boring. Still better than the original job I quit. No regerts!
 
pastramithemosterotic
2023-02-02 4:50:46 PM  

Kuroshin: quo vadimus: Gen Xers missed the work-life balance from their previous jobs the most.

WTF industries were you all working in? Please, I need this information.

Yeah, no. We've never had that. Was never a thing. That's hilarious.


That's my favorite line in job postings and interviews. "We have a great work-life balance!"
 
Any Pie Left
2023-02-02 5:10:59 PM  
(but there's nothing saying you can't take a two week vacation, come back, and then go out to lunch and then never return).

I did something similar, and I felt so gangster doing it, I laughed for days.

There's a lot of official days off on the state worker calendar in November, easy to build three-and four-day weekends out of them. I just let gossip drop in front of the boss' spy, a month or two earlier, that I planned to take time to help my daughter move cross-country to a new job, creating the cover story.  Put in for comp time days off, interspersed with the existing holidays and weekends, it only cost me like four days to create a straight two weeks off. Got it approved a month ahead, in writing and on the calendar.

Five minutes to five on the last working day I gave the two-week notice by email, saying I'd drop off the badge and keys when the two weeks were over. The boss, being a passive-aggressive jerk, didn't open my email until the next day, and was pissed that everybody else knew it the day before. She loved keeping information from people, and being the last to know really hit her hard.

While I had several people there that I thought would keep corresponding with me after I retired, they really haven't, and that makes me a little sad and disappointed in the ones who said they would love to continue being friends outside of work. But I know part of it is, the folks I left behind are dreadfully overworked in a very unsupportive and fear-filled atmosphere, and they might feel it's risky to fraternize. Friends made in foxholes, and all of that.
 
frankb00th
2023-02-02 5:16:17 PM  
I find it super interesting that we get these periodic waves of articles glorifying office culture and back to work bullsh*t.  It almost looks coordinated
 
gbv23
2023-02-02 5:31:42 PM  
I called them dumbass frat-bros and used bigoted slurs.

I also said "come at me" to folks.

Best day evar  HAW HAW HAW
 
sinner4ever
2023-02-02 5:31:58 PM  
The whole point of the article was "Don't quit your job for higher pay, you will regret it when you old company will not take you back."
That doesn't sound fishy at all.
 
HempHead
2023-02-02 5:42:42 PM  

Any Pie Left: (but there's nothing saying you can't take a two week vacation, come back, and then go out to lunch and then never return).

I did something similar, and I felt so gangster doing it, I laughed for days.

There's a lot of official days off on the state worker calendar in November, easy to build three-and four-day weekends out of them. I just let gossip drop in front of the boss' spy, a month or two earlier, that I planned to take time to help my daughter move cross-country to a new job, creating the cover story.  Put in for comp time days off, interspersed with the existing holidays and weekends, it only cost me like four days to create a straight two weeks off. Got it approved a month ahead, in writing and on the calendar.

Five minutes to five on the last working day I gave the two-week notice by email, saying I'd drop off the badge and keys when the two weeks were over. The boss, being a passive-aggressive jerk, didn't open my email until the next day, and was pissed that everybody else knew it the day before. She loved keeping information from people, and being the last to know really hit her hard.

While I had several people there that I thought would keep corresponding with me after I retired, they really haven't, and that makes me a little sad and disappointed in the ones who said they would love to continue being friends outside of work. But I know part of it is, the folks I left behind are dreadfully overworked in a very unsupportive and fear-filled atmosphere, and they might feel it's risky to fraternize. Friends made in foxholes, and all of that.


I can count on my hands the number of work friends that become friends after leaving a company. Many times it's only the crappy job that allows people to bond.
 
Barbeaubot
2023-02-02 6:02:57 PM  

HempHead: Any Pie Left: (but there's nothing saying you can't take a two week vacation, come back, and then go out to lunch and then never return).

I did something similar, and I felt so gangster doing it, I laughed for days.

There's a lot of official days off on the state worker calendar in November, easy to build three-and four-day weekends out of them. I just let gossip drop in front of the boss' spy, a month or two earlier, that I planned to take time to help my daughter move cross-country to a new job, creating the cover story.  Put in for comp time days off, interspersed with the existing holidays and weekends, it only cost me like four days to create a straight two weeks off. Got it approved a month ahead, in writing and on the calendar.

Five minutes to five on the last working day I gave the two-week notice by email, saying I'd drop off the badge and keys when the two weeks were over. The boss, being a passive-aggressive jerk, didn't open my email until the next day, and was pissed that everybody else knew it the day before. She loved keeping information from people, and being the last to know really hit her hard.

While I had several people there that I thought would keep corresponding with me after I retired, they really haven't, and that makes me a little sad and disappointed in the ones who said they would love to continue being friends outside of work. But I know part of it is, the folks I left behind are dreadfully overworked in a very unsupportive and fear-filled atmosphere, and they might feel it's risky to fraternize. Friends made in foxholes, and all of that.

I can count on my hands the number of work friends that become friends after leaving a company. Many times it's only the crappy job that allows people to bond.


I am not currently friends with any former coworkers, but they have significantly impacted my life. I met my wife at a post-work office party - her BFF was my coworker's boyfriend. My best friend I acquired in a similar manner. He was dating my #2 so we hung out a lot after work. They broke up, I kept him and ditched the job.
 
Bith Set Me Up
2023-02-02 6:34:15 PM  
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Fark_Guy_Rob
2023-02-02 7:21:02 PM  
I feel very disconnected from the general advice about quitting jobs. If it works for you, awesome...but I'm very skeptical and truly believe people are lying to themselves.

If you have had the same job for many years, sure...look for a new job...but generally speaking it seems like a bad idea. Not because of loyalty to a company, just the practical aspects of it.
 
Twilight Farkle [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-02 7:39:52 PM  

themindiswatching: I'm surprised some red state hasn't tried to make it more difficult for people to quit somehow. For instance, by mandating a minimum of like 1-2 months of notice (from the normal 2 weeks) for "critical" jobs (which somehow gets so loosely defined that basically every job is "critical") on penalty of having to pay the company they just left for training the new person/hiring temps/etc. in the interim.

/though I guess having healthcare controlled by employers does the job well enough that the Job Creators™ don't need to do anything else.



"In the name of the general welfare, to protect the people's security, to achieve full equality and total stability, it is decreed for the duration of the national emergency that -- "

"Point One. All workers, wage earners and employees of any kind whatsoever shall henceforth be attached to their jobs and shall not leave nor be dismissed nor change employment, under penalty of a term in jail. The penalty shall be determined by the Unification Board , such Board to be appointed by the Bureau of Economic Planning and National Resources. All persons reaching the age of twenty-one shall report to the Unification Board, which shall assign them to where, in its opinion, their services will best serve the interests of the nation.

https://theexplanationproject.fandom.com/wiki/Directive_10-289

Because I have an editor, and the original author didn't, I'll skip over points 2 through 8, but the tl;dr is that even Ayn Farking Rand tried to warn America about the present-day Republican Party. (All kidding aside, she escaped Stalinist Russia as a youngling, and her literary expression of her childhood trauma warnings against that regime are every bit as applicable to Putinist America because if we condensed those two regimes into two pieces of paper, all that would be left would be an infinite regress of
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Corn_Fed
2023-02-02 8:09:47 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: I feel very disconnected from the general advice about quitting jobs. If it works for you, awesome...but I'm very skeptical and truly believe people are lying to themselves.

If you have had the same job for many years, sure...look for a new job...but generally speaking it seems like a bad idea. Not because of loyalty to a company, just the practical aspects of it.


Why? The practical effect of staying at the same job for years is falling behind on wage, limited growth of skills, and smaller web of professional contacts. In the past, I have returned to a previous job on good terms for vastly more money, and essentially could name my price. I don't see too many benefits to not occasionally job-hopping (though I generally try to stay at least 4 years at any given place so that it's not seen as too often).
 
DeathByGeekSquad
2023-02-02 8:20:42 PM  
Ooh, ooh, is this where we make up stories about how badass we are so we can keep imagining we're the BMX kid with fingerless gloves in those 80s movies?
 
Fark_Guy_Rob
2023-02-02 8:48:36 PM  

Corn_Fed: Fark_Guy_Rob: I feel very disconnected from the general advice about quitting jobs. If it works for you, awesome...but I'm very skeptical and truly believe people are lying to themselves.

If you have had the same job for many years, sure...look for a new job...but generally speaking it seems like a bad idea. Not because of loyalty to a company, just the practical aspects of it.

Why? The practical effect of staying at the same job for years is falling behind on wage, limited growth of skills, and smaller web of professional contacts. In the past, I have returned to a previous job on good terms for vastly more money, and essentially could name my price. I don't see too many benefits to not occasionally job-hopping (though I generally try to stay at least 4 years at any given place so that it's not seen as too often).


Because the people advocating it never address any of my concerns when I consider doing it.

If you work four years and haven't had raises to keep up with the market - sure. That's fine. But that feels like normal levels of job changing that I've seen my entire career. I'm talking about people who constantly advocate job quitting...

I'm talking about things like the article posted a few days back about quitting any time a job impacted your mental health and people advocating quitting over things that I've seen at every job I've ever had.

And the amounts of money people say they get as raises job hoping doesn't add up. If they could get the % increases as frequently as they claim, they would be earning insane levels of money.

Changing jobs come with lots of costs, and nobody seems to mention them. Lots of benefits vest over time. Changing jobs frequently means losing lots of compensation. It also means losing seniority for jobs where that matters, frequently I've seen that impact the amount of PTO people get.

It also means changing benefits. Healthcare in particular is problematic. Resetting the deductible and out of pocket maximum for a family can mean thousands of dollars lost. It also can mean needing to change doctors, dentists and eye doctors. If you use COBRA it means paying... thousands more for coverage.

It also means losing some of the few legal protections we have. Like FMLA. FMLA is a legal requirement and I mentioned benefits but I personally know a guy who lost out on two months of paid paternity leave because he had only been at the company for 7 months and not 12. That's not FMLA, but same idea and he also didn't qualify for FMLA.

In terms of career advancement, frequently changing jobs in my anecdotal experience, is a hindrance, not a help. Yes, staying in one place too long can be bad, but I've been involved in hiring and being labeled a job hopper would put a resume straight into the trash. Most of the people I've personally watched get promoted in meaningful ways (aka not just a title like junior x to x) were employees with years of experience. Personally, both meaningful promotions I've had came after 3-5 years at the same company.

Finally, the stuff I see people complain about when they talk about quitting is the same stuff they will find at their next job. Quitting isn't a solution unless you can quit and change the type of job. I've had lots of jobs and even the ones that were great when I got hired, often changed rapidly. My boss changed or my team changed or my compensation changed or even my team/my company was sold. Effectively, I never know what my job will be like so I certainly can't ensure they my next job will be better.

Again, no hate towards anyone who finds success changing jobs frequently. I just don't think it's the slam dunk people say it is. I personally make it a habit to interview with at least one company per year, and I don't always get an offer, but I often get offers that aren't better than what I already have.... meanwhile every post on Reddit seems to be a 'Get a new job and a huge raise' even here, when people talk about the recent lay offs, someone always says 'oh well, they will probably get a better paying job'

If I could just quit and get a better paying job, I would.
 
Wine Sipping Elitist [TotalFark]
2023-02-02 9:14:35 PM  

jso2897: That's an ad.


Yes
 
Lochaber_Axe
2023-02-02 9:19:35 PM  

Rapmaster2000: The "Great Regret" is the latest workplace trend to sweep the nation,

Can I have just 1 week without some new trend sweeping the nation?  I have trend fatigue.


So can someone tell me if the "Great Resignation" was really a thing?  I Feel that some front line workers may have gotten sick of the crappiest jobs but those in the professional sector weren't quitting as far as I have seen.
 
Wine Sipping Elitist [TotalFark]
2023-02-02 9:24:05 PM  
I quit a job once to run a business. I asked for a severance package. They said no. I quit. They passed out severance packages the next week, and I would've received 6 months of pay. That package wouldve really helped my business.

I vowed to never quit a job ever again. LET THEM FIRE YOU.

When my current management asks me to do something dumb like read my work email or finish compliance training, I tell them to fire me.

"No, no WSE, you'll just make more money somewhere else, and we can't let that happen."

Whatever. Honestly, I had a real life Office Space happen to me. Once you stop caring, you get promoted and paid more. It's weird. The harder you work, the less you get paid.
 
TedCruz'sCrazyDad
2023-02-02 9:42:35 PM  

Lochaber_Axe: Rapmaster2000: The "Great Regret" is the latest workplace trend to sweep the nation,

Can I have just 1 week without some new trend sweeping the nation?  I have trend fatigue.

So can someone tell me if the "Great Resignation" was really a thing?  I Feel that some front line workers may have gotten sick of the crappiest jobs but those in the professional sector weren't quitting as far as I have seen.


I know several women with children who discovered that the family could survive on the husbands salary.  Child care had kept rising faster than their salaries to the point where it no longer made sense to keep working.
 
Twilight Farkle [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-02 9:52:49 PM  

Wine Sipping Elitist: Whatever. Honestly, I had a real life Office Space happen to me. Once you stop caring, you get promoted and paid more. It's weird. The harder you work, the less you get paid.


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GodComplex
2023-02-02 10:12:46 PM  

Lochaber_Axe: Rapmaster2000: The "Great Regret" is the latest workplace trend to sweep the nation,

Can I have just 1 week without some new trend sweeping the nation?  I have trend fatigue.

So can someone tell me if the "Great Resignation" was really a thing?  I Feel that some front line workers may have gotten sick of the crappiest jobs but those in the professional sector weren't quitting as far as I have seen.


Yes. I worked in supply chain and our vendors were getting stump broke by employee exodus at all levels. The companies I worked at were losing long time employees and churning new hires fast enough they no longer introduced them to the team.

A better term is 'great reshuffling' but companies did learn a hard lesson on how decades of poor management and stagnant wages affected employee loyalty.
 
Corn_Fed
2023-02-02 10:45:56 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Corn_Fed: Fark_Guy_Rob: I feel very disconnected from the general advice about quitting jobs. If it works for you, awesome...but I'm very skeptical and truly believe people are lying to themselves.

If you have had the same job for many years, sure...look for a new job...but generally speaking it seems like a bad idea. Not because of loyalty to a company, just the practical aspects of it.

Why? The practical effect of staying at the same job for years is falling behind on wage, limited growth of skills, and smaller web of professional contacts. In the past, I have returned to a previous job on good terms for vastly more money, and essentially could name my price. I don't see too many benefits to not occasionally job-hopping (though I generally try to stay at least 4 years at any given place so that it's not seen as too often).

Because the people advocating it never address any of my concerns when I consider doing it.

If you work four years and haven't had raises to keep up with the market - sure. That's fine. But that feels like normal levels of job changing that I've seen my entire career. I'm talking about people who constantly advocate job quitting...

I'm talking about things like the article posted a few days back about quitting any time a job impacted your mental health and people advocating quitting over things that I've seen at every job I've ever had.

And the amounts of money people say they get as raises job hoping doesn't add up. If they could get the % increases as frequently as they claim, they would be earning insane levels of money.

Changing jobs come with lots of costs, and nobody seems to mention them. Lots of benefits vest over time. Changing jobs frequently means losing lots of compensation. It also means losing seniority for jobs where that matters, frequently I've seen that impact the amount of PTO people get.

It also means changing benefits. Healthcare in particular is problematic. Resetting the deductible and out of pocket maximum for a f ...


Ah, understood. I think we're talking much the same game, since I was referring to staying at least 4 years, not Reddit's constant job-hopping. In Reddit's case, I suspect most of those jobs are retail, warehouse, or restaurant work, where there's no projects, no real promotions, certainly no vested benefits, etc. In that scenario, it's perfectly reasonable for workers to view their employers as just as expendable as the employers view them, and frequent job-hopping would hopefully incentivize businesses to start treating their employees better than cattle, in order to retain them.
 
electricjebus [recently expired TotalFark]
2023-02-02 11:29:18 PM  
I'm wondering how the question was worded.  I quit my job in December.  If you would ask me if I had any regrets about quitting I would have to say yes.  I regret leaving my workers* and walking away from my pension.  However if you asked me if I would do it again I'd say "in a heartbeat".

Of course Gen Z regrets it the most.  They're in their teens and early 20's and can't exactly produce a strong resume yet.  At the moment I'm holding out for a night shift management job at a Forbes Fortune 100 best companies to work for place.  I should know if I got the job by the end of next week, but the interviews went well and I'm in regular correspondence with their hiring manager, which is usually a good sign.

If it doesn't work out... I'm still getting 2 to 3 emails and calls a day from hiring managers and HR people asking me to apply/interview for management jobs at their company.  Turns out that running a factory overnight through a pandemic, labor shortage and supply chain issues looks really good on a resume.  Particularly when you put in over 8 years at the last company, were beating every other manager in terms of OEE and labor variance, and you can attribute your decision to leave to the previous plant manager retiring.

*After I quit I dropped in to pick up some things I forgot from my office one night.  My workers demanded that I take a group picture with them with multiple people's phones.  Not many bosses get that kind of send off from their crew, especially when it's no longer their crew.  Usually they're singing "Ding dong the witch is dead".
 
electricjebus [recently expired TotalFark]
2023-02-02 11:56:12 PM  

Lochaber_Axe: So can someone tell me if the "Great Resignation" was really a thing?  I Feel that some front line workers may have gotten sick of the crappiest jobs but those in the professional sector weren't quitting as far as I have seen.


Counting myself, my last factory lost over 84 years of experience between 5 workers in 2022... and that's just 3rd shift and not counting any of the people in entry level positions who quit.
 
MusicMakeMyHeadPound [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-03 12:08:17 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Again, no hate towards anyone who finds success changing jobs frequently. I just don't think it's the slam dunk people say it is. I personally make it a habit to interview with at least one company per year, and I don't always get an offer, but I often get offers that aren't better than what I already have.... meanwhile every post on Reddit seems to be a 'Get a new job and a huge raise' even here, when people talk about the recent lay offs, someone always says 'oh well, they will probably get a better paying job'


I've never regretted quitting a job, but it's not always a raise (it's often apples-to-oranges), it's always been highly situational, the next step is often a learning experience, and there's always been a level of Stockholm Syndrome involved, which is why I advocate for people to quit -- people who are secure in their jobs like you will ignore me and for the people who already know they have to leave it might be the push they need.

I've quit a job for mental health and work/life balance before, but -- now that I'm the dad of two kids -- I can truly and honestly say that caring for infants was easy comparatively (and the sleepless phase doesn't last nearly as long). My mental state was truly awful and I felt deep regret at my next job for not having quit the previous job sooner. Some of these people on Reddit may not be quite as robust.

I've quit more than one job because I absolutely could not make it work with my boss. In one tragic case we had a rehire who I immediately pegged as a total scumbag who made it clear that since he was going through a divorce that he was going to pour himself into his work. We were colleagues at the time but I swore if he ever managed to become my boss I'd quit. He became my boss, pulled some real dick moves, so I quit. Life's too short to deal with people like that. I liked where I ended up, too.

To your point: as far as salary goes, I raised by 40%, doubled it, halved it, lowered by 40%, raised by 120%, lowered by 40% to my current, quite comfortable level. Hardly an upward slope and not even an a particularly impressive upward trend. But each time has been a transition in skill sets and moving across industries.

The wealth situation changes too. I was able to buy a house at the middle low point in salary because I was able to pay off my $100k of student loans with the nice high salaries before that. That made a world of difference.

And you're right: Vested benefits at these companies required five years but they'd do their best to burn you out in two. Some people will stick it out. I saw it as a sunk cost -- oh well.

Sounds to me like you've gotten pretty lucky to a point. Nothing wrong with that, good for you honestly. Just remember that there are people dealing with some pretty rotten employment situations out there though
 
nytmare
2023-02-03 4:31:02 AM  

Barricaded Gunman: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Just a reminder: two weeks is purely a "polite" social convention and not a legal requirement in an at-will employment relationship. ...if your employer is in the habit of cutting people loose suddenly then they've already set the tone of the game.

I remember quitting a place that routinely fired people on Friday afternoons with zero notice. So by the Wednesday of the week I planned to quit I had already cleaned out my office of everything I was taking.

By a fun coincidence they fired someone else that very Friday afternoon, so I stopped by the owner's office about quarter to five. The look on his face was priceless when I tapped on the his door, stuck my head in and told him it was my last day. This dick actually had the nerve to say "You're not giving me any notice? Yeah, real professional."

I just laughed at him. "Yeah? How much notice did you give Steve this afternoon? Works both ways."


Depends if they gave Steve 2 weeks free severance pay.
 
The Weekend Baker
2023-02-03 6:59:18 AM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Just a reminder: two weeks is purely a "polite" social convention and not a legal requirement in an at-will employment relationship. Either party may terminate the relationship at any time for any or no reason. And if your employer is in the habit of cutting people loose suddenly then they've already set the tone of the game.

The only nuance is with PTO/benefits payout as outlined by your employee handbook (but there's nothing saying you can't take a two week vacation, come back, and then go out to lunch and then never return).


Yeah, the vacation/sick time payout is the only reason I gave two weeks notice.  Combined it's going to be a payout of roughly half of my yearly salary.

Monday is my last day after almost 24 years on the job.  The firm I work for is completely unprepared for my departure, but at their request, I prepared an offer to stay on as a consultant to assist in the transition.  As of close of business yesterday, they haven't even deigned to reply to it, I suspect because they're unwilling to pay my compensation demand (3x my current salary for a maximum of six months), even if it means keeping the office open and continuing to support our largest client.

Fine with me, though.  If they still don't address my offer by the end of the day today, I'll email them to let them know my offer is withdrawn.
 
NathanAllen
2023-02-03 7:02:03 AM  
My dream is to work for a company where there aren't different standards for my performance based on my ethnic background.

I'm pretty sure I'll be disappointed.
 
Flowery Twats
2023-02-03 7:56:24 AM  

freakdiablo: I changed jobs towards the beginning of 2022 and will admit I regretted it - but mainly because the new company was worse.  As in having a PM flat out saying if I was going to charge 40hrs a week to his project I better be putting in 80, then double back later and say *he'd* be ok with 60.

Yeah, I'd be ok with that too if you switched me from salaried to hourly at the equivalent rate then gave me OT for anything above 40.

Switched back to my old job where everyone up the chain believes if you can't get it done in a standard 35-40 hour work week, the problem isn't with you.


Yeah, if getting the job done requires more than 40 hrs a week, someone screwed up, and I'm not going to be the one to get them out of trouble.
 
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