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edmo [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-02 2:22:19 PM  
Like they're gonna put PG&E in jail.
 
whither_apophis [TotalFark]
2023-02-02 3:08:11 PM  
I'm impressed they brought real charges. Of course whatever judge PG&E pays off will throw it out of court but at least it was symbolic
 
Halfabee64
2023-02-02 3:10:14 PM  
It will be forced to wear an ankle monitor and can't leave the state.
 
rzrwiresunrise
2023-02-02 3:11:20 PM  
I can't wait to see them lead the articles of incorporation out of the courtroom in handcuffs.
 
SpectroBoy [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-02 3:12:05 PM  
Thrakazoid Zog?
Laxative Log?
Susan?
 
stuhayes2010
2023-02-02 3:12:13 PM  
Throw a couple execs in jail for "saving money" rather than fining the company might get other company execs to be safer.


/haha, who am I kidding, they'll just lobby for "no fault laws" and get them passed.
 
HotWingConspiracy
2023-02-02 3:12:30 PM  
What a farking joke.
 
Promo Sapien
2023-02-02 3:12:33 PM  
At first I thought it was P&G, and I was like "Great, finally, the people who make Tide are going to have to answer for all their crimes!"
 
Walker [TotalFark]
2023-02-02 3:12:55 PM  
Rate increase coming soon. Victims (and people who had nothing to do with it) will pay for the settlement.
 
daffy
2023-02-02 3:12:56 PM  

edmo: Like they're gonna put PG&E in jail.


Yeah, that's just silly, how are they going lock up a whole company?
 
drewogatory
2023-02-02 3:13:04 PM  

whither_apophis: I'm impressed they brought real charges. Of course whatever judge PG&E pays off will throw it out of court but at least it was symbolic


Newsom is in bed with PG&E as well. There's a long history there.
 
oopsboom
2023-02-02 3:14:36 PM  
whats that?  time for PG&E to declare bankruptcy again?
 
Broktun
2023-02-02 3:15:37 PM  

Walker: Rate increase coming soon. Victims (and people who had nothing to do with it) will pay for the settlement.


Yep, then California will take over PG&E.
 
Thosw [BareFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-02 3:15:52 PM  
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2023-02-02 3:19:30 PM  
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AmbassadorBooze
2023-02-02 3:21:12 PM  
Make the entity known as PG&E face the same consequences as an entity made of meat.  If it can't, then find meat to face the consequences.  I suggest a CEO.  Try PG&E as meat.  Try all entities in court as meat.  Or allow meat to be tried as ethereal goloms.  Make killing just a finable offence.  So the elites can hunt people and just pay a fine.  Hell, fines are only if they bag one.  Have the elites purchase hunting tags.  And if they can't bag one in season, they don't get the money back.  What population do we need a culling in?  White males in the southern zone?  Have the government issue tags for them and let the rich hunt them.

One way or another.  But we can't have separate justice for fictional beings.
 
indy_kid
2023-02-02 3:29:56 PM  

whither_apophis: I'm impressed they brought real charges. Of course whatever judge PG&E pays off will throw it out of court but at least it was symbolic


"Real charges".  LOL.

If this was a civilized country like Iceland, the entire C Suite would be doing prison terms (but being a civilized country, their prisons are really good). If it was Japan, the CEO might have offed himself already.

We already know that any fines will be passed along to customers, so this ain't nothing but performance law.
 
Bruscar
2023-02-02 3:31:30 PM  
PG&E will blame the trees instead of their poorly maintained equipment. "If only there were no trees to fall on any of our equipment, these fires wouldn't happen."
 
leviosaurus [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-02 3:33:13 PM  
The people currently working at PG&E are on the hook for over a century of bad decisions by executive management. It's a shame the guys who made those decisions are in the ground; seems worthwhile to dig up their bodies and beat them over the head.
 
mongbiohazard
2023-02-02 3:33:39 PM  
lol, come on... "Spiffy"?

Let's say they get convicted on all charges. What do you think the penalty will be, hmmn? I'll tell you what it'll be, a non-material amount of money. The company will pay out cash iat can afford. No one who was responsible for making the decisions responsible is going to go to jail.
 
AmbassadorBooze
2023-02-02 3:41:20 PM  

leviosaurus: The people currently working at PG&E are on the hook for over a century of bad decisions by executive management. It's a shame the guys who made those decisions are in the ground; seems worthwhile to dig up their bodies and beat them over the head.


Maybe we should.  And confiscate all wealth they passed down to their offspring.

Also make all future CEOs take actual full responsibility.  Including and up to execution if the company murders people.  If no CEO is willing to take over, shut the company down and sell off the assets.  Make the buyers take responsibility for whatever assets they buy.  If nobody will buy the assets, scrap it all.  If electricity can't get to places, good.  Move the people without electricity into the pods and make them eat the bugs.
 
anfrind
2023-02-02 3:54:18 PM  
Send the board of directors to jail.
Make them personally responsible for all of the fines.
Then have the state government take full ownership of PG&E's assets.

It may be extreme by American standards, but I live in one of the few cities in California that has a municipal power company, and I can say from experience that it's far better to have utilities accountable to voters instead of shareholders.
 
leviosaurus [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-02 3:59:53 PM  

AmbassadorBooze: leviosaurus: The people currently working at PG&E are on the hook for over a century of bad decisions by executive management. It's a shame the guys who made those decisions are in the ground; seems worthwhile to dig up their bodies and beat them over the head.

Maybe we should.  And confiscate all wealth they passed down to their offspring.

Also make all future CEOs take actual full responsibility.  Including and up to execution if the company murders people.  If no CEO is willing to take over, shut the company down and sell off the assets.  Make the buyers take responsibility for whatever assets they buy.  If nobody will buy the assets, scrap it all.  If electricity can't get to places, good.  Move the people without electricity into the pods and make them eat the bugs.


For most corporations, I'd agree with you (welllll maybe less on the whole 'executions' thing.) But in this world that we live in, electricity is essential. We can't disrupt the power supply for several months to teach PG&E a lesson, no matter how much they deserve it.

You might say "Have the government take over the electrical grid, then." And you'd have a lot of Californians agreeing with you.
 
mongbiohazard
2023-02-02 4:03:42 PM  

leviosaurus: AmbassadorBooze: leviosaurus: The people currently working at PG&E are on the hook for over a century of bad decisions by executive management. It's a shame the guys who made those decisions are in the ground; seems worthwhile to dig up their bodies and beat them over the head.

Maybe we should.  And confiscate all wealth they passed down to their offspring.

Also make all future CEOs take actual full responsibility.  Including and up to execution if the company murders people.  If no CEO is willing to take over, shut the company down and sell off the assets.  Make the buyers take responsibility for whatever assets they buy.  If nobody will buy the assets, scrap it all.  If electricity can't get to places, good.  Move the people without electricity into the pods and make them eat the bugs.

For most corporations, I'd agree with you (welllll maybe less on the whole 'executions' thing.) But in this world that we live in, electricity is essential. We can't disrupt the power supply for several months to teach PG&E a lesson, no matter how much they deserve it.

You might say "Have the government take over the electrical grid, then." And you'd have a lot of Californians agreeing with you.


There's no reason the company - which is essentially an idea - couldn't just be allowed to continue on while the human beings who made the decisions which resulted in the death and property damage go to jail.

But that's not how we do things in America, land of the oligarch.
 
bhcompy [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-02 4:05:36 PM  

Broktun: Yep, then California will take over PG&E.


This has been the outcome discussed before.  It will probably be for the better all around if we underegulate electric infrastructure in this state, if only to stop the liability being used as an excuse to hike rates.  I don't want to indemnify private industry any more than they already are, but I don't mind a little indemnification of public industry assuming we actually meet some standard of adequate maintenance.
 
farkitallletitend
2023-02-02 4:06:18 PM  
CPUC should be held accountable as well.

The California Public Utilities Commission (CPUC) regulates services and utilities, protects consumers, safeguards the environment, and assures Californians' access to safe and reliable utility infrastructure and services.

Did they do their job? No.
Are they now? No.
 
AmbassadorBooze
2023-02-02 4:08:55 PM  

leviosaurus: AmbassadorBooze: leviosaurus: The people currently working at PG&E are on the hook for over a century of bad decisions by executive management. It's a shame the guys who made those decisions are in the ground; seems worthwhile to dig up their bodies and beat them over the head.

Maybe we should.  And confiscate all wealth they passed down to their offspring.

Also make all future CEOs take actual full responsibility.  Including and up to execution if the company murders people.  If no CEO is willing to take over, shut the company down and sell off the assets.  Make the buyers take responsibility for whatever assets they buy.  If nobody will buy the assets, scrap it all.  If electricity can't get to places, good.  Move the people without electricity into the pods and make them eat the bugs.

For most corporations, I'd agree with you (welllll maybe less on the whole 'executions' thing.) But in this world that we live in, electricity is essential. We can't disrupt the power supply for several months to teach PG&E a lesson, no matter how much they deserve it.

You might say "Have the government take over the electrical grid, then." And you'd have a lot of Californians agreeing with you.


If a non CEO can be executed for murder, why can't a CEO?  Is their meat special?
 
AmbassadorBooze
2023-02-02 4:10:18 PM  

farkitallletitend: CPUC should be held accountable as well.

The California Public Utilities Commission (CPUC) regulates services and utilities, protects consumers, safeguards the environment, and assures Californians' access to safe and reliable utility infrastructure and services.

Did they do their job? No.
Are they now? No.


They issued a safety certificate to PG&E.  As ordered by Newsome.  That is what their job is.  Keep the world engine turning for profits.
 
whitroth
2023-02-02 4:12:27 PM  
So, all the chief execs who were in their jobs at the time go to jail, right?
 
Thosw [BareFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-02 4:16:14 PM  

AmbassadorBooze: Make the entity known as PG&E face the same consequences as an entity made of meat.  If it can't, then find meat to face the consequences.  I suggest a CEO.  Try PG&E as meat.  Try all entities in court as meat.  Or allow meat to be tried as ethereal goloms.  Make killing just a finable offence.  So the elites can hunt people and just pay a fine.  Hell, fines are only if they bag one.  Have the elites purchase hunting tags.  And if they can't bag one in season, they don't get the money back.  What population do we need a culling in?  White males in the southern zone?  Have the government issue tags for them and let the rich hunt them.

One way or another.  But we can't have separate justice for fictional beings.


Found Terry Bisson's Fark handle.
 
leviosaurus [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-02 4:20:12 PM  

mongbiohazard: leviosaurus: AmbassadorBooze: leviosaurus: The people currently working at PG&E are on the hook for over a century of bad decisions by executive management. It's a shame the guys who made those decisions are in the ground; seems worthwhile to dig up their bodies and beat them over the head.

Maybe we should.  And confiscate all wealth they passed down to their offspring.

Also make all future CEOs take actual full responsibility.  Including and up to execution if the company murders people.  If no CEO is willing to take over, shut the company down and sell off the assets.  Make the buyers take responsibility for whatever assets they buy.  If nobody will buy the assets, scrap it all.  If electricity can't get to places, good.  Move the people without electricity into the pods and make them eat the bugs.

For most corporations, I'd agree with you (welllll maybe less on the whole 'executions' thing.) But in this world that we live in, electricity is essential. We can't disrupt the power supply for several months to teach PG&E a lesson, no matter how much they deserve it.

You might say "Have the government take over the electrical grid, then." And you'd have a lot of Californians agreeing with you.

There's no reason the company - which is essentially an idea - couldn't just be allowed to continue on while the human beings who made the decisions which resulted in the death and property damage go to jail.

But that's not how we do things in America, land of the oligarch.


Like I said - a lot of these decisions were made before any of us were born.

Not saying the current employees of PG&E should get off or are absolved by any means. Just putting it into context.
 
leviosaurus [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-02 4:21:00 PM  

AmbassadorBooze: leviosaurus: AmbassadorBooze: leviosaurus: The people currently working at PG&E are on the hook for over a century of bad decisions by executive management. It's a shame the guys who made those decisions are in the ground; seems worthwhile to dig up their bodies and beat them over the head.

Maybe we should.  And confiscate all wealth they passed down to their offspring.

Also make all future CEOs take actual full responsibility.  Including and up to execution if the company murders people.  If no CEO is willing to take over, shut the company down and sell off the assets.  Make the buyers take responsibility for whatever assets they buy.  If nobody will buy the assets, scrap it all.  If electricity can't get to places, good.  Move the people without electricity into the pods and make them eat the bugs.

For most corporations, I'd agree with you (welllll maybe less on the whole 'executions' thing.) But in this world that we live in, electricity is essential. We can't disrupt the power supply for several months to teach PG&E a lesson, no matter how much they deserve it.

You might say "Have the government take over the electrical grid, then." And you'd have a lot of Californians agreeing with you.

If a non CEO can be executed for murder, why can't a CEO?  Is their meat special?


I don't think we should be executing anybody. Radical thought, I know.
 
kb7rky
2023-02-02 4:25:16 PM  
As if anything's gonna come of this.
 
hegelsghost
2023-02-02 4:32:00 PM  
Time for the faux progressives to become the real article and demand  this piece of shiat company be taken over by the state.
 
bhcompy [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-02 4:35:38 PM  

mongbiohazard: There's no reason the company - which is essentially an idea - couldn't just be allowed to continue on while the human beings who made the decisions which resulted in the death and property damage go to jail.

But that's not how we do things in America, land of the oligarch.


Organizational change management is part of what I do for a living and it's not as easy as what you describe.  A new CEO/c-suite vision takes years to implement when you're not talking about significant issues regarding regulatory compliance.  And I'm not saying you shouldn't throw them in jail, but you shouldn't also expect that PG&E would just pivot.  The investors put the board in place, and the board will form the c-suite to their desire regardless.  Sometimes it's better to just blow it up
 
AmbassadorBooze
2023-02-02 4:35:48 PM  

leviosaurus: AmbassadorBooze: leviosaurus: AmbassadorBooze: leviosaurus: The people currently working at PG&E are on the hook for over a century of bad decisions by executive management. It's a shame the guys who made those decisions are in the ground; seems worthwhile to dig up their bodies and beat them over the head.

Maybe we should.  And confiscate all wealth they passed down to their offspring.

Also make all future CEOs take actual full responsibility.  Including and up to execution if the company murders people.  If no CEO is willing to take over, shut the company down and sell off the assets.  Make the buyers take responsibility for whatever assets they buy.  If nobody will buy the assets, scrap it all.  If electricity can't get to places, good.  Move the people without electricity into the pods and make them eat the bugs.

For most corporations, I'd agree with you (welllll maybe less on the whole 'executions' thing.) But in this world that we live in, electricity is essential. We can't disrupt the power supply for several months to teach PG&E a lesson, no matter how much they deserve it.

You might say "Have the government take over the electrical grid, then." And you'd have a lot of Californians agreeing with you.

If a non CEO can be executed for murder, why can't a CEO?  Is their meat special?

I don't think we should be executing anybody. Radical thought, I know.


Sure.  Take execution off the table for all the meat at trial.

BUT, if meat can be executed, CEO meat should face the same consequences.  Or have the President declare to the entire nation "Hear ye, Hear ye!  CEOs are better than all you farking peasants and underchuds.  They are allowed to kill.  You are not.  Because CEOs are better.  Now get back to work, farking peasants".
 
mongbiohazard
2023-02-02 4:40:03 PM  

bhcompy: mongbiohazard: There's no reason the company - which is essentially an idea - couldn't just be allowed to continue on while the human beings who made the decisions which resulted in the death and property damage go to jail.

But that's not how we do things in America, land of the oligarch.

Organizational change management is part of what I do for a living and it's not as easy as what you describe.  A new CEO/c-suite vision takes years to implement when you're not talking about significant issues regarding regulatory compliance.  And I'm not saying you shouldn't throw them in jail, but you shouldn't also expect that PG&E would just pivot.  The investors put the board in place, and the board will form the c-suite to their desire regardless.  Sometimes it's better to just blow it up


I'd be fine with that too, but most companies have a whole legion of junior execs and others champing at the bit. If a couple of the executives from any company I've ever worked for went to jail there's been plenty of people working under them (who typically are the ones doing the actual work) who any one of could easily step into the role.
 
Sexy Jesus [recently expired TotalFark]
2023-02-02 5:07:03 PM  
CORPORATION
-n.
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jtown
2023-02-02 5:39:16 PM  

edmo: Like they're gonna put PG&E in jail.


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ansius
2023-02-02 5:49:23 PM  
Until individual decision makers within companies are held criminally liable, this sort of rubbish will keep happening.
 
ShowStop
2023-02-02 5:59:13 PM  

Walker: Rate increase coming soon. Victims (and people who had nothing to do with it) will pay for the settlement.


Here in Socal, my electric rates through SCE have increased over 40% in the last two years. SCE has also been sued and had to pay for triggering wildfires. My base electric rate is now $0.30/kwh. It was around $0.20/kwh only a couple years ago.
 
Danger Avoid Death
2023-02-02 5:59:58 PM  
Why PG&E is still allowed to exist is beyond me. Evil F*cking Incarnate, and has been for decades now.
 
The Ice Queen [TotalFark]
2023-02-02 6:30:22 PM  
Yeah, because they had the book thrown at them after pleading guilty for 84 counts after the Camp Fire.

Sadly, this is going to be a recurring theme pretty much every year and won't stop until they actually start holding these people accountable for their decisions causing these deaths.
 
baron von doodle [OhFark]
2023-02-02 6:48:27 PM  

AmbassadorBooze: leviosaurus: The people currently working at PG&E are on the hook for over a century of bad decisions by executive management. It's a shame the guys who made those decisions are in the ground; seems worthwhile to dig up their bodies and beat them over the head.

Maybe we should.  And confiscate all wealth they passed down to their offspring.

Also make all future CEOs take actual full responsibility.  Including and up to execution if the company murders people.  If no CEO is willing to take over, shut the company down and sell off the assets.  Make the buyers take responsibility for whatever assets they buy.  If nobody will buy the assets, scrap it all.  If electricity can't get to places, good.  Move the people without electricity into the pods and make them eat the bugs.


Substitute the bugs for c suite execs and I'm in.
 
Lurk Who's Talking
2023-02-02 6:49:40 PM  
FYI: Fires are named for the closest road to the location of the origination of the fire.
 
Floki [TotalFark]
2023-02-02 6:50:16 PM  

Promo Sapien: At first I thought it was P&G, and I was like "Great, finally, the people who make Tide are going to have to answer for all their crimes!"


I was thinking Scope, but I totally agree with you.
 
bhcompy [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-02 6:52:21 PM  

ShowStop: Walker: Rate increase coming soon. Victims (and people who had nothing to do with it) will pay for the settlement.

Here in Socal, my electric rates through SCE have increased over 40% in the last two years. SCE has also been sued and had to pay for triggering wildfires. My base electric rate is now $0.30/kwh. It was around $0.20/kwh only a couple years ago.


Still better than SDGE though.  I ran back when I could
 
AmbassadorBooze
2023-02-02 7:25:38 PM  

baron von doodle: AmbassadorBooze: leviosaurus: The people currently working at PG&E are on the hook for over a century of bad decisions by executive management. It's a shame the guys who made those decisions are in the ground; seems worthwhile to dig up their bodies and beat them over the head.

Maybe we should.  And confiscate all wealth they passed down to their offspring.

Also make all future CEOs take actual full responsibility.  Including and up to execution if the company murders people.  If no CEO is willing to take over, shut the company down and sell off the assets.  Make the buyers take responsibility for whatever assets they buy.  If nobody will buy the assets, scrap it all.  If electricity can't get to places, good.  Move the people without electricity into the pods and make them eat the bugs.

Substitute the bugs for c suite execs and I'm in.


I will take that compromise!
 
Shryke
2023-02-02 9:10:53 PM  

hegelsghost: Time for the faux progressives to become the real article and demand  this piece of shiat company be taken over by the state.


Oh I DO hope this happens. It will definitely get much better*.

*"better" in this case having values between "continuous blackout" and "cannibal apocalypse".
 
darwinpolice [BareFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-02 10:50:40 PM  

anfrind: Send the board of directors to jail.
Make them personally responsible for all of the fines.
Then have the state government take full ownership of PG&E's assets.

It may be extreme by American standards, but I live in one of the few cities in California that has a municipal power company, and I can say from experience that it's far better to have utilities accountable to voters instead of shareholders.


Every single utility provider should be publicly owned. No one can live without them, so we should all be equally responsible for them and no one should make money off of them beyond a reasonable salary.
 
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