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(YouTube)   Ken Ham and "Answers" in Genesis says the number one threat to young-earth creationism is a) evidence, b) reality, c) other young-earth creationists. The People's Front of Judea says that they feel his pain   (youtube.com) divider line
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bifster [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-02 9:07:33 AM  
Splitters!
 
edmo [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-02 10:57:14 AM  
You can never be pure enough.
 
Jake Havechek [TotalFark]
2023-02-02 10:58:20 AM  
What has Rome ever done for us?
 
red230
2023-02-02 12:02:43 PM  
TLDR: There's a finite pool of idiots to scam and he doesn't want to share with others running the same scam.
 
oldfool
2023-02-02 12:03:05 PM  
He doesn't sound kosher.
 
DarwiOdrade [TotalFark]
2023-02-02 12:03:26 PM  
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zappaisfrank
2023-02-02 12:05:17 PM  
Um. yeah, not gonna spend over an hour watching the OP video...hopefully someone can give us a reasonable summary at some point?
 
Fart_Machine
2023-02-02 12:06:34 PM  
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abb3w [TotalFark]
2023-02-02 12:07:01 PM  
No transcript on the video. Isn't this more of what Ham has been harping about for decades, with cartoons similar to this one?

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theteacher [TotalFark]
2023-02-02 12:07:07 PM  
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FONmkXK8Zng
 
Weaver95
2023-02-02 12:08:07 PM  
We really need to stop saving these people from the consequences of their actions.
 
foo monkey
2023-02-02 12:08:08 PM  

edmo: You can never be pure enough.


Oh, I can.  You people, not so much.
 
2wolves [TotalFark]
2023-02-02 12:08:37 PM  
Not enough "D'oh!s" in all of history to explain Kenny boy.
 
Munchausen's Proxy
2023-02-02 12:08:45 PM  
There is enough "creationist news" to have a "This week in Creationist news"?
 
foo monkey
2023-02-02 12:09:32 PM  

Weaver95: We really need to stop saving these people from the consequences of their actions.


The only consequence that matters is entry into the Kingdom of Heaven.
 
Weaver95
2023-02-02 12:10:46 PM  

foo monkey: Weaver95: We really need to stop saving these people from the consequences of their actions.

The only consequence that matters is entry into the Kingdom of Heaven.


I can think of many ways to help the christians get to heaven a lot faster.  They never seem to appreciate the help tho.
 
foo monkey
2023-02-02 12:12:07 PM  

Munchausen's Proxy: There is enough "creationist news" to have a "This week in Creationist news"?


I imagine it as like Highlights Magazine.  There's a "spot the difference" section where one picture has "fossils" planted by God to test our faith.  There's a Goofus and Gallant section where "Goofus studies Geology" and "Gallant studies Theology."  I need to make a kickstarter for this shiat.
 
Stud Gerbil
2023-02-02 12:12:22 PM  
Have any of them ever read Genesis?   And they take this stuff literally?
 
Weaver95
2023-02-02 12:13:23 PM  

Stud Gerbil: Have any of them ever read Genesis?   And they take this stuff literally?


Lewis black did a whole bit on exactly this topic.
 
houginator
2023-02-02 12:13:50 PM  
There's quite a range of YECs, from "Dinosaurs are fake, and invented by Satan to trick Christians" to "Dinosaurs are real, actually lived at the same time as humans, and are even mentioned in the Bible".  Ham falls in the latter category.

There's also "Long Day" Creationists, who believe that the Biblical days of creation were not literal days, allowing for a much older Earth that aligns with current scientific understanding of its age, but creating new timeline problems, like flying birds existing for thousands/millions of years before land dwelling reptiles.
 
foo monkey
2023-02-02 12:14:11 PM  

abb3w: No transcript on the video. Isn't this more of what Ham has been harping about for decades, with cartoons similar to this one?

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abb3w [TotalFark]
2023-02-02 12:14:46 PM  

Stud Gerbil: Have any of them ever read Genesis?


Yes.

Stud Gerbil: And they take this stuff literally?


Yes.
 
SirGunslinger
2023-02-02 12:14:55 PM  

Stud Gerbil: Have any of them ever read Genesis?   And they take this stuff literally?


The biggest question is what is 7 days to a supposed entity that has no real concept of time and is immortal?
 
clovercat [TotalFark]
2023-02-02 12:15:04 PM  

Jake Havechek: What has Rome ever done for us?


They created Christianity.
 
Gooch [BareFark]
2023-02-02 12:16:44 PM  
...it's terrestrial ephebophilia
 
foo monkey
2023-02-02 12:17:11 PM  

Stud Gerbil: Have any of them ever read Genesis?   And they take this stuff literally?


I asked my parish priest 30+ years ago if he thought Genesis was literal or metaphorical.  He was an angry, old-school Italian guy who thought we should all still be doing mass in Latin.  Without pause, he said it was a metaphor.  I always respected him for that.  A few years later, he was arrested for embezzling hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep his girlfriend in a fancy house in Old Town Alexandria ($$$).
 
Marcos P
2023-02-02 12:19:30 PM  
....I dont usually want to punch someone right in the face  people in the face but this guy I tell ya whut...
 
Im_Gumby
2023-02-02 12:19:47 PM  
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gunga galunga [TotalFark]
2023-02-02 12:24:05 PM  
Ain't watching the video. All I need to know about Ken Ham is this exchange from the Evolution vs Creationism debate that he had with Bill Nye.

Moderator: "What would it take for you to change your mind about the subject?"
Bill Nye: "Evidence."
Ken Ham: "Nothing."
 
Last Man on Earth
2023-02-02 12:25:40 PM  
"We're obviously right, but they make us look like a bunch of kooks by using exactly the same arguments we do!"

Im_Gumby: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 288x401]


Sadly, that card got removed from play years ago.  It's a shame, I actually found him amusing and the topic didn't come up often enough to get tiresome.
 
tintar [TotalFark]
2023-02-02 12:27:17 PM  

houginator: There's quite a range of YECs, from "Dinosaurs are fake, and invented by Satan to trick Christians" to "Dinosaurs are real, actually lived at the same time as humans, and are even mentioned in the Bible".  Ham falls in the latter category.

There's also "Long Day" Creationists, who believe that the Biblical days of creation were not literal days, allowing for a much older Earth that aligns with current scientific understanding of its age, but creating new timeline problems, like flying birds existing for thousands/millions of years before land dwelling reptiles.


also they each have their own unshakable specific number for age of consent, so constant disagreement abounds regardless.

Gooch: ...it's terrestrial ephebophilia


*shakes tiny fist*
 
Aetre [TotalFark]
2023-02-02 12:28:19 PM  
Everybody but himself, really.
 
Danny Vermin
2023-02-02 12:28:59 PM  

Im_Gumby: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 288x401]


Now that's a name I haven't heard in a long, long time.
 
Wraithstrike
2023-02-02 12:29:15 PM  

zappaisfrank: Um. yeah, not gonna spend over an hour watching the OP video...hopefully someone can give us a reasonable summary at some point?


TL;DW -Other preachers are making money that should be going to our Ark Experience, dammit.
 
eKonk
2023-02-02 12:29:46 PM  
I cannot bear to listen to this tripe even as background noise, but what I'm gathering is that Hammy boy is complaining that some people are trying to adapt the biblical creation story to fit reality, rather than sticking to biblical literacy as written (well, as told by a goat hearder, was retold by others until it was eventually written, translated, interpreted, re-written, re-interpreted, re-translated, re-written, as understood by someone who re-interpreted it and gave their opinion on what it says).

There's some logic to this - no matter how hard you try and twist biblical creation to fit with observable reality, you're going to end up with a lot of things that still just don't make sense, but now you might have gotten people to think about how it should fit with reality - which gets them to consider reality.  Instead, you just need to outright reject reality unless it lines up with your story. No room for investigation, no room for thought, just room for obedience.

It doesn't make it any less stupid, but it helps to filter out those who might weaken your standing. And that's what's really important.
 
New Rising Sun
2023-02-02 12:31:31 PM  

foo monkey: Stud Gerbil: Have any of them ever read Genesis?   And they take this stuff literally?

I asked my parish priest 30+ years ago if he thought Genesis was literal or metaphorical.  He was an angry, old-school Italian guy who thought we should all still be doing mass in Latin.  Without pause, he said it was a metaphor.


That was the way it was taught when I went to catholic school. Everything was allegories, myths, history-ish (e.g. kings), and full of human interpretation as a product of time and place. The bible, as they presented it, was less an instruction manual and history, and more a useful tool as a starting point for discussing and teaching catholic theology.  Fortunately, at least where I went, there was no problem if you were agnostic or atheist and any assignments or test questions you had it was totally fine to focus on the human and historical aspects of scripture ('history' here meaning discussing the historical context behind the content itself, not 'the bible is written history').

I don't know if  that's still the case today, but there's no way the catholics can hold a flame to the batsh_t craziness that is US evangelicalism and the creationists.
 
WrongTrousers
2023-02-02 12:32:06 PM  

Stud Gerbil: Have any of them ever read Genesis?   And they take this stuff literally?


Only Genesis I care about:
Genesis Live Bataclan France 16mm January 10, 1973 (4K)
Youtube WIZwg1t2iAo
 
Dr Dreidel [BareFark]
2023-02-02 12:32:25 PM  

SirGunslinger: Stud Gerbil: Have any of them ever read Genesis?   And they take this stuff literally?

The biggest question is what is 7 days to a supposed entity that has no real concept of time and is immortal?


We measure time using the sun and moon, which according to Genesis were created on Day 4. So how were those first 3 (and change) "days" counted?

Not to mention that the creation of the sky (which we only perceive due to refraction of sunlight through the Earth's atmosphere) happens two days before the sun gets created, and that the creation of plants and trees - which *checks science book* require sunlight to grow - happens the day before.

I think the real question is "how in the hell COULD you read that as literal?"
 
abb3w [TotalFark]
2023-02-02 12:33:51 PM  

Last Man on Earth: Sadly, that card got removed from play years ago.


It hasn't been tournament legal for over a decade.

eKonk: what I'm gathering is that Hammy boy is complaining that some people are trying to adapt the biblical creation story to fit reality, rather than sticking to biblical literacy as written


I'd say "empirical data" rather than "reality", but pretty much yes.

eKonk: no matter how hard you try and twist biblical creation to fit with observable reality, you're going to end up with a lot of things that still just don't make sense


That depends on whether or not you use Biblical Inerrancy as the foundation for the measure of "sense".
 
TheMysteriousStranger
2023-02-02 12:34:25 PM  

red230: TLDR: There's a finite pool of idiots to scam and he doesn't want to share with others running the same scam.


And that those other YECs have too much evolution in their creationism which is odd as Ken Ham and AiG have an enormous amount of evolution in their creationism. Ham also seems to object to YECs suggestions that they critically analyze* their own ideas.

*I know, I know that is a bit of a stretch to believe that a YEC critically analyzes anything. Basically it is the Kurt Wise/Todd Wood branch of YECism who want to think so long as you don't reject their version of fundamentalism as opposed to Ham's just don't think and send me some money.
 
HighZoolander
2023-02-02 12:37:45 PM  
Gee, if only there were some system by which to objectively investigate and discriminate between competing claims about how things work.

We could call it "smience" and teach it in schools and like such as.
 
Drank_the_40_water
2023-02-02 12:38:28 PM  

abb3w: No transcript on the video. Isn't this more of what Ham has been harping about for decades, with cartoons similar to this one?

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Racism balloon is floating above the wrong building
 
pdieten
2023-02-02 12:39:37 PM  

foo monkey: Stud Gerbil: Have any of them ever read Genesis?   And they take this stuff literally?

I asked my parish priest 30+ years ago if he thought Genesis was literal or metaphorical.  He was an angry, old-school Italian guy who thought we should all still be doing mass in Latin.  Without pause, he said it was a metaphor.  I always respected him for that.  A few years later, he was arrested for embezzling hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep his girlfriend in a fancy house in Old Town Alexandria ($$$).


Yes Catholic dogma is that the creation story along with many other parts of the Bible are not literal, whether or not all the butts in the seats realize it. When I was doing lector training at the church a couple years ago the moderator did make a point of this, to the surprise of more than a few of the other attendees.
 
Rev. Skarekroe
2023-02-02 12:41:22 PM  

Drank_the_40_water: abb3w: No transcript on the video. Isn't this more of what Ham has been harping about for decades, with cartoons similar to this one?

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Racism balloon is floating above the wrong building


No, you see many creationists believe that the theory of evolution is racist because it suggests that some people are less evolved than others (i.e. Europeans and Asians evolved from Africans who are therefore lower on the evolutionary chain).

Basically, they don't know how evolution actually works.
 
Nicholas D. Wolfwood [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-02 12:47:26 PM  

edmo: You can never be pure enough.


... Just ask the Ikarrans.

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Stile4aly [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-02 12:49:14 PM  

Last Man on Earth: "We're obviously right, but they make us look like a bunch of kooks by using exactly the same arguments we do!"

Im_Gumby: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 288x401]

Sadly, that card got removed from play years ago.  It's a shame, I actually found him amusing and the topic didn't come up often enough to get tiresome.


Oh, you never saw him in his prime.  He was a stubborn, irrigating, condescending bastard.
 
MikeyFuccon
2023-02-02 12:51:04 PM  
What to add...? Christians of all denominations remain creationists---they're just a bit smarter about it than the young-earth cranks.

Georges Lemaitre's "hypothesis of the primeval atom" suggested a moment of presumably divine creation, starting with energy/light. It was Sir Fred Hoyle, an atheist, who dubbed it the "Big Bang" as an insult.

The precise trigger of the Big Bang remains unknown, and may be impossible for humans to ever completely understand, allowing the Roman Catholic Church to propose it as proof of a divine creator.

Religion will always fill in the gaps science has not yet plugged. I can live with that.

The difference is that the young-earthers' beliefs are easily falsifiable by anybody who actually studies it out, suggesting that their targets are the willfully ignorant.

Cults recruit and fundraise by telling marks what they want to hear (you can buy your way into heaven, and God will jump at the chance to give you everything you think you want, in this world and beyond it, if you give the Messiah all your money), not what they need to hear (God may have created the heavens and the earth, but even if He cares about human affairs---an "if" that theologians have never completely resolved---He visibly only helps those who help themselves. Faith without works is dead, you might say).
 
Nicholas D. Wolfwood [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-02 12:51:38 PM  

foo monkey: Stud Gerbil: Have any of them ever read Genesis?   And they take this stuff literally?

I asked my parish priest 30+ years ago if he thought Genesis was literal or metaphorical.  He was an angry, old-school Italian guy who thought we should all still be doing mass in Latin.  Without pause, he said it was a metaphor.  I always respected him for that.  A few years later, he was arrested for embezzling hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep his girlfriend in a fancy house in Old Town Alexandria ($$$).


I DON'T BELIEVE IT!

... A 'Fancy House' in Old Town Alexandria would be a couple million.
 
Drank_the_40_water
2023-02-02 12:52:15 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: Drank_the_40_water: abb3w: No transcript on the video. Isn't this more of what Ham has been harping about for decades, with cartoons similar to this one?

[Fark user image image 850x477]

Racism balloon is floating above the wrong building

No, you see many creationists believe that the theory of evolution is racist because it suggests that some people are less evolved than others (i.e. Europeans and Asians evolved from Africans who are therefore lower on the evolutionary chain).

Basically, they don't know how evolution actually works.


Anyone who can believe a literal creation story can convince themselves "no u" for the location of the racism balloon. Sadly for them, what you are willing to label racist, no matter how sincerely you believe it to be so, has no actual bearing on what actually is racist.

And in the modern deplorable era, they might embrace the label, perhaps with an lol I troll u or while employing Schroedingers douchebag tactics...

But yeah also, critiquing a drawing that inexplicably has the Christians attacking the party favors while their defensive fortification is being reduced to rubble might be a little pointless.
 
johnny queso
2023-02-02 12:55:49 PM  

Stile4aly: Last Man on Earth: "We're obviously right, but they make us look like a bunch of kooks by using exactly the same arguments we do!"

Im_Gumby: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 288x401]

Sadly, that card got removed from play years ago.  It's a shame, I actually found him amusing and the topic didn't come up often enough to get tiresome.

Oh, you never saw him in his prime.  He was a stubborn, irrigating, condescending bastard.


flood or furrow?
 
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