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(NYPost)   Pete Rose betting on Rod Carew's support in Cooperstown bid   (nypost.com) divider line
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UNC_Samurai
2023-02-02 9:25:54 AM  
Rod, I know for a fact that you walked by one of these signs every day of your career.  I work in one of the stadiums in which you played minor league ball, and I know this sign was in there, as it is today even for guys who are still in college.

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McGrits [TotalFark]
2023-02-02 9:29:52 AM  
It is a lifetime ban. The day after his funeral, put up his bust and a new documentary about how his gambling cost baseball and the fans.
 
jlee4677 [TotalFark]
2023-02-02 9:32:59 AM  
Much like the Beastie Boys, Rose has got more hits than Rod Carew.
 
Dafatone [TotalFark]
2023-02-02 9:51:43 AM  
Mario Soto wants his arm back.
 
ElwoodCuse
2023-02-02 10:01:46 AM  

McGrits: It is a lifetime ban. The day after his funeral, put up his bust and a new documentary about how his gambling cost baseball and the fans.


No it's not. He's permanently ineligible.
 
jlee4677 [TotalFark]
2023-02-02 10:06:36 AM  

Dafatone: Mario Soto wants his arm back.


When you got a few grand on the game you ride your thoroughbred as far as you can.
 
SirDigbyChickenCaesar
2023-02-02 10:12:58 AM  
I read that as Rae Carruth and was very confused.
 
HotWingConspiracy
2023-02-02 10:14:31 AM  
After that, one of Carew's followers said it was a "pretty clear line" that Rose gambled on games he was involved with as a player or manager.

"If they can embrace gambling to the level of putting it in the stadium they can forgive Pete and recognize him for the Great he is," Carew retorted. "That's the point."

It's a point, but a bad one. I think if they saw their players visiting the betting counter before a game, they'd get the same treatment as Rose.
 
jlee4677 [TotalFark]
2023-02-02 10:17:42 AM  
All athletes know gambling is taboo. Right or wrong Calvin Ridley was banned a year from the NFL for betting on the NFL on a gambling app while he was on IR. Whether you think the rule is rational or not it is something they have to live by.
 
Old_Chief_Scott [TotalFark]
2023-02-02 10:23:32 AM  
I don't usually come into the sports tab but I felt I needed to congratulate the submitter on a damn fine headline.
 
The_Sponge [TotalFark]
2023-02-02 10:45:23 AM  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Carew#Confusion_over_conversion_to_Judaism

Confusion over conversion to Judaism[edit]

There is no evidence that Carew ever formally converted to Judaism, although he wore a chai necklace during his playing days. His first wife, Marilynn Levy, is Jewish,[35] and he was a member of Temple Beth Shalom in Santa Ana, California. Their three daughters, Charryse, Stephanie, and Michelle,[46] were raised in the Jewish tradition and had their bat mitzvahs there. When one daughter, Michelle, died of leukemia at age 18, services were held at Beth Shalom,[47] and she was buried in the family plot at the United Hebrew Brotherhood Cemetery in Richfield, Minnesota, a suburb of Minneapolis, where Rod Carew played for the Minnesota Twins.[48] Carew, however, still identified as Episcopalian during their relationship.[46]

A 1976 article written in Esquire magazine was one of the first publications to assert that Carew is Jewish. Sportswriter Harry Stein released his "All-Time All-Star Argument Starter" article which consisted of five different ethnic-based baseball teams. Carew was erroneously named the second baseman on Stein's All-Jewish team. A 2007 Salon article named Carew one of the 18 best Jewish ballplayers of all time; the article clarified that Carew was not Jewish but commended him for raising his children in the faith and for marrying Levy in spite of death threats he received.[49] Carew and Levy, who began their relationship in 1968, were married in 1970 and divorced in 2000.[46]

Another source propagating the story is "The Chanukah Song", written and performed by Adam Sandler in 1994. The tune (which quickly became a holiday perennial) lists famous Jews of the 20th century: "...O. J. Simpson... not a Jew! But guess who is: Hall of Famer Rod Carew! He converted!" Carew later wrote Sandler and explained the situation, adding that he thought the song was "pretty funny". (Sandler dropped Carew from later versions of the song, but Neil Diamond mentions the ballplayer in his rendition, recorded in 2009.)
 
Farkenhostile
2023-02-02 10:48:24 AM  
He not only did it but he's been a gigantic cock about it. He thumbs his nose at MLB about it nonstop then biatches that he cant get into the Hall of fame. Let him into the hall the day after he dies like others have suggested.
 
Karma Chameleon
2023-02-02 10:49:47 AM  
Why would Pete Rose want to be a part of any group that would have him as a member
 
Dead for Tax Reasons
2023-02-02 10:49:55 AM  
you got a lot of heart(s), rod, but don't waste it on pete rose
 
The_Sponge [TotalFark]
2023-02-02 10:50:15 AM  

jlee4677: All athletes know gambling is taboo. Right or wrong Calvin Ridley was banned a year from the NFL for betting on the NFL on a gambling app while he was on IR. Whether you think the rule is rational or not it is something they have to live by.


Also:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Karras#Professional_football

On January 7, 1963, Karras's ownership share in Detroit's Lindell AC Bar became a source of controversy when league officials urged him to sell his financial interests in the place because of reports of gambling and organized crime influence.
After first threatening to retire rather than give up the bar ownership, Karras admitted placing bets on NFL games and was suspended by the league, along with Green Bay Packers running back Paul Hornung, for one season (1963). During his exile, Karras returned to pro wrestling, taking on such memorable characters as Dick the Bruiser. He was reinstated, along with Hornung, on March 16, 1964, by NFL commissioner Pete Rozelle. Upon returning to action in 1964, Karras once refused when an official asked him to call the pregame coin toss. "I'm sorry, sir," Karras replied. "I'm not permitted to gamble."[8]
 
TDWCom29
2023-02-02 10:51:39 AM  

Farkenhostile: He not only did it but he's been a gigantic cock about it. He thumbs his nose at MLB about it nonstop then biatches that he cant get into the Hall of fame. Let him into the hall the day after he dies like others have suggested.


I think this is what a lot of people overlook. Pete might have gotten some leniency, but he denied everything for years and was a big ol' prick about the whole thing
 
The_Sponge [TotalFark]
2023-02-02 10:56:13 AM  

TDWCom29: Farkenhostile: He not only did it but he's been a gigantic cock about it. He thumbs his nose at MLB about it nonstop then biatches that he cant get into the Hall of fame. Let him into the hall the day after he dies like others have suggested.

I think this is what a lot of people overlook. Pete might have gotten some leniency, but he denied everything for years and was a big ol' prick about the whole thing


Seriously...he was given a huge chance, and he blew it.
 
TheMysteriousStranger
2023-02-02 10:56:15 AM  
If he had not bet on his own team, I'd consider forgiveness all these years  later. But he did bet on his own team.
 
browneye [TotalFark]
2023-02-02 10:59:33 AM  

McGrits: It is a lifetime ban. The day after his funeral, put up his bust and a new documentary about how his gambling cost baseball and the fans.


THIS.
 
The_Sponge [TotalFark]
2023-02-02 11:02:10 AM  

TheMysteriousStranger: If he had not bet on his own team, I'd consider forgiveness all these years  later. But he did bet on his own team.



Betting against your own team is bad (duh), but even betting on your team isn't right because it would lead to taking risks that could lead to injury....like having your starting pitchers stay on the mound for too long, etc.
 
Joe_diGriz [BareFark]
2023-02-02 11:05:53 AM  

The_Sponge: Betting against your own team is bad (duh), but even betting on your team isn't right because it would lead to taking risks that could lead to injury....like having your starting pitchers stay on the mound for too long, etc.


And, it establishes a pattern. "Oh, he didn't place a bet for tomorrow's game? Probably means that a couple of starters are going to be getting some rest."
 
Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu
2023-02-02 11:22:35 AM  

UNC_Samurai: Rod, I know for a fact that you walked by one of these signs every day of your career.  I work in one of the stadiums in which you played minor league ball, and I know this sign was in there, as it is today even for guys who are still in college.

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This.  I started following Rod once he joined twitter and he's a pretty great follow for his baseball stories.  But he's wrong about this.  Legalized gambling and league partnerships still doesn't change the fact that players/managers/etc. are prohibited from gambling.
 
UNC_Samurai
2023-02-02 11:46:19 AM  

jlee4677: All athletes know gambling is taboo. Right or wrong Calvin Ridley was banned a year from the NFL for betting on the NFL on a gambling app while he was on IR. Whether you think the rule is rational or not it is something they have to live by.


It's entirely rational.  For all of it's faults, the NFL has always maintained a solid anti-gambling policy; fark up and you're gone for a year, whether you're on IR, or even if you're the literal Golden Boy of the league*. If you're employed by the league or one of the franchises, no gambling on football, period.


*Don't know why Fark doesn't like this URL
https://www.si.com/nfl/2015/05/12/si-vault-paul-hornung-alex-karras-pete-rozelle
 
dywed88
2023-02-02 12:01:52 PM  

The_Sponge: TheMysteriousStranger: If he had not bet on his own team, I'd consider forgiveness all these years  later. But he did bet on his own team.


Betting against your own team is bad (duh), but even betting on your team isn't right because it would lead to taking risks that could lead to injury....like having your starting pitchers stay on the mound for too long, etc.


I just want to add, if anyone believes Rose saying he didn't bet against the Reds, I have a bridge to sell them.

He took a deal to be permanently intelligible in exchange for ending the investigation.

He denied betting on the Reds for over a decade after that until deciding to cash in with a book.

Nothing Pete Rose says has any value at all with his history of lying about it.

I don't think he should ever get in, the museum already does exhibits recognizing his contribution to the game so it isn't like they pretend he doesn't exist. But he died well shouldn't get in while he is alive and can benefit from it.
 
The_Sponge [TotalFark]
2023-02-02 12:06:44 PM  

dywed88: The_Sponge: TheMysteriousStranger: If he had not bet on his own team, I'd consider forgiveness all these years  later. But he did bet on his own team.


Betting against your own team is bad (duh), but even betting on your team isn't right because it would lead to taking risks that could lead to injury....like having your starting pitchers stay on the mound for too long, etc.

I just want to add, if anyone believes Rose saying he didn't bet against the Reds, I have a bridge to sell them.

He took a deal to be permanently intelligible in exchange for ending the investigation.

He denied betting on the Reds for over a decade after that until deciding to cash in with a book.

Nothing Pete Rose says has any value at all with his history of lying about it.

I don't think he should ever get in, the museum already does exhibits recognizing his contribution to the game so it isn't like they pretend he doesn't exist. But he died well shouldn't get in while he is alive and can benefit from it.


Yup....I trust him as far as I can throw him.

But at least he got into the WWE Hall of Fame.

/So that's nice.
 
chrisco123
2023-02-02 12:08:17 PM  
He played a bit in Montreal.  The Canadian Baseball Hall of Fame should induct Rose just so he can refer to himself as "Hall of Famer Pete Rose".
 
dywed88
2023-02-02 12:12:57 PM  

chrisco123: He played a bit in Montreal.  The Canadian Baseball Hall of Fame should induct Rose just so he can refer to himself as "Hall of Famer Pete Rose".


He is already in the Reds Hall of Fame.
 
chrisco123
2023-02-02 12:15:56 PM  
dywed88

Thanks for that.
 
grimlock1972
2023-02-02 12:41:25 PM  
The whole Gambling mess in MIB goes back to the Infamous Black Sox scandal ibn which the Chicago White sox threw the world series.   The owner of the team Charles Comiskey  was notoriously cheap and did everything to cut costs and Routinely under payed his players, which likely heavily contributed to them top being open to the gamblers who approached members of the team to get to to throw the series to the Cincinnati Reds.

Due to the huge black eye when it all came out and subsequent over reaction Gambling became a massive taboo in MLB.   Rose farked up and i am not excusing him for it, that said his on the field accomplishment should be enshrined in the HOF, along with the whole sorrid story.   he also should have to agree to not use said enshrinement for personal benefit with being kicked out if he does.

Given MLB ( and other major sports ) have gotten in bed with gambling i see no real reason not to do this any more.
 
Adolf Oliver Nipples [TotalFark]
2023-02-02 1:01:08 PM  

grimlock1972: The whole Gambling mess in MIB goes back to the Infamous Black Sox scandal ibn which the Chicago White sox threw the world series.   The owner of the team Charles Comiskey  was notoriously cheap and did everything to cut costs and Routinely under payed his players, which likely heavily contributed to them top being open to the gamblers who approached members of the team to get to to throw the series to the Cincinnati Reds.

Due to the huge black eye when it all came out and subsequent over reaction Gambling became a massive taboo in MLB.   Rose farked up and i am not excusing him for it, that said his on the field accomplishment should be enshrined in the HOF, along with the whole sorrid story.   he also should have to agree to not use said enshrinement for personal benefit with being kicked out if he does.

Given MLB ( and other major sports ) have gotten in bed with gambling i see no real reason not to do this any more.


The players, managers, and anyone who can influence the outcome are still not allowed to gamble on baseball.

Pete Rose held the ultimate position to influence the outcome of games. He used up his best players when he had money on the line, and didn't care about the outcome when he didn't bet. He literally destroyed some of his players' careers chasing action.

The ultimate proof of his corruption is that the year after he was banned the Reds won the World Series.

Stop carrying water for that man. He is amply represented in the Hall of Fame with exhibits about his accomplishments. He should not, and will not, be honored by induction.
 
Pants full of macaroni!! [BareFark]
2023-02-02 1:37:35 PM  
Headfirst Slide Into Cooperstown On A Bad Bet
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gameshowhost [OhFark]
2023-02-02 1:37:56 PM  
He should be permanently ineligible just for his haircut.
 
Super Chronic
2023-02-02 2:38:20 PM  
Did it occur to him that maybe there is a difference between fans gambling and players/managers gambling?
 
ChrisDe
2023-02-02 2:40:01 PM  
Both sides have a point. And I'm a big baseball fan, but if Pete Rose gets in the Hall of Fame or not will never cause me to lose any sleep. It's a private museum with a panel of voters. They can do what they want.
 
The_Sponge [TotalFark]
2023-02-02 2:45:58 PM  

ChrisDe: Both sides have a point. And I'm a big baseball fan, but if Pete Rose gets in the Hall of Fame or not will never cause me to lose any sleep. It's a private museum with a panel of voters. They can do what they want.



Bingo.

But when it comes to that panel of voters.....

I want to know who are the jerks that did not vote for Griffey.
 
HeathenHealer [TotalFark]
2023-02-02 4:05:54 PM  

The_Sponge: I want to know who are the jerks that did not vote for Griffey.


There's some rule about not getting 100% of the vote but they forgot to write it down.
 
Hoopy Frood
2023-02-02 4:19:55 PM  
I don't care whether he gets in or not, but sooner or later they have to address the fact that Rose had/has a behavioral addiction that the league has endorsed for profit and that broadcasts are now heavily pushing on children, unquestionably including future ballplayers.
 
Rex_Banner
2023-02-02 5:39:57 PM  
Here's the thing about Pete Rose:

Fark Pete Rose
 
Adolf Oliver Nipples [TotalFark]
2023-02-02 6:10:12 PM  

Hoopy Frood: I don't care whether he gets in or not, but sooner or later they have to address the fact that Rose had/has a behavioral addiction that the league has endorsed for profit and that broadcasts are now heavily pushing on children, unquestionably including future ballplayers.


They did. Rule 21 is as definitive a rule as there ever was. What about it do you find ambiguous?
 
grimlock1972
2023-02-02 6:30:54 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: grimlock1972: The whole Gambling mess in MIB goes back to the Infamous Black Sox scandal ibn which the Chicago White sox threw the world series.   The owner of the team Charles Comiskey  was notoriously cheap and did everything to cut costs and Routinely under payed his players, which likely heavily contributed to them top being open to the gamblers who approached members of the team to get to to throw the series to the Cincinnati Reds.

Due to the huge black eye when it all came out and subsequent over reaction Gambling became a massive taboo in MLB.   Rose farked up and i am not excusing him for it, that said his on the field accomplishment should be enshrined in the HOF, along with the whole sorrid story.   he also should have to agree to not use said enshrinement for personal benefit with being kicked out if he does.

Given MLB ( and other major sports ) have gotten in bed with gambling i see no real reason not to do this any more.

The players, managers, and anyone who can influence the outcome are still not allowed to gamble on baseball.

Pete Rose held the ultimate position to influence the outcome of games. He used up his best players when he had money on the line, and didn't care about the outcome when he didn't bet. He literally destroyed some of his players' careers chasing action.

The ultimate proof of his corruption is that the year after he was banned the Reds won the World Series.

Stop carrying water for that man. He is amply represented in the Hall of Fame with exhibits about his accomplishments. He should not, and will not, be honored by induction.


Not carrying water for Rose just pointing out the current situation and how much of a mixed message MLB is sending out these days.
 
Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu
2023-02-03 1:50:30 AM  

Hoopy Frood: I don't care whether he gets in or not, but sooner or later they have to address the fact that Rose had/has a behavioral addiction that the league has endorsed for profit and that broadcasts are now heavily pushing on children, unquestionably including future ballplayers.


Wait until you find out about beer commercials/sponsorships tied to the MLB.
 
Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu
2023-02-03 1:51:39 AM  

grimlock1972: Adolf Oliver Nipples: grimlock1972: The whole Gambling mess in MIB goes back to the Infamous Black Sox scandal ibn which the Chicago White sox threw the world series.   The owner of the team Charles Comiskey  was notoriously cheap and did everything to cut costs and Routinely under payed his players, which likely heavily contributed to them top being open to the gamblers who approached members of the team to get to to throw the series to the Cincinnati Reds.

Due to the huge black eye when it all came out and subsequent over reaction Gambling became a massive taboo in MLB.   Rose farked up and i am not excusing him for it, that said his on the field accomplishment should be enshrined in the HOF, along with the whole sorrid story.   he also should have to agree to not use said enshrinement for personal benefit with being kicked out if he does.

Given MLB ( and other major sports ) have gotten in bed with gambling i see no real reason not to do this any more.

The players, managers, and anyone who can influence the outcome are still not allowed to gamble on baseball.

Pete Rose held the ultimate position to influence the outcome of games. He used up his best players when he had money on the line, and didn't care about the outcome when he didn't bet. He literally destroyed some of his players' careers chasing action.

The ultimate proof of his corruption is that the year after he was banned the Reds won the World Series.

Stop carrying water for that man. He is amply represented in the Hall of Fame with exhibits about his accomplishments. He should not, and will not, be honored by induction.

Not carrying water for Rose just pointing out the current situation and how much of a mixed message MLB is sending out these days.


What's the mixed message?  Gambling by players, coaches, etc. still clearly banned.
 
grimlock1972
2023-02-03 11:32:51 AM  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: grimlock1972: Adolf Oliver Nipples: grimlock1972: The whole Gambling mess in MIB goes back to the Infamous Black Sox scandal ibn which the Chicago White sox threw the world series.   The owner of the team Charles Comiskey  was notoriously cheap and did everything to cut costs and Routinely under payed his players, which likely heavily contributed to them top being open to the gamblers who approached members of the team to get to to throw the series to the Cincinnati Reds.

Due to the huge black eye when it all came out and subsequent over reaction Gambling became a massive taboo in MLB.   Rose farked up and i am not excusing him for it, that said his on the field accomplishment should be enshrined in the HOF, along with the whole sorrid story.   he also should have to agree to not use said enshrinement for personal benefit with being kicked out if he does.

Given MLB ( and other major sports ) have gotten in bed with gambling i see no real reason not to do this any more.

The players, managers, and anyone who can influence the outcome are still not allowed to gamble on baseball.

Pete Rose held the ultimate position to influence the outcome of games. He used up his best players when he had money on the line, and didn't care about the outcome when he didn't bet. He literally destroyed some of his players' careers chasing action.

The ultimate proof of his corruption is that the year after he was banned the Reds won the World Series.

Stop carrying water for that man. He is amply represented in the Hall of Fame with exhibits about his accomplishments. He should not, and will not, be honored by induction.

Not carrying water for Rose just pointing out the current situation and how much of a mixed message MLB is sending out these days.

What's the mixed message?  Gambling by players, coaches, etc. still clearly banned.


The mixed message is the sport now supports and encourages gambling  something that would have been unheard of 20years ago.   You are correct the ban on gambling on baseballis still enforced on players and coaches/managers but that doesn't change the fact the message is now mixed to a degree that once would have been intolerable.
 
Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu
2023-02-03 12:05:29 PM  

grimlock1972: The mixed message is the sport now supports and encourages gambling  something that would have been unheard of 20years ago.   You are correct the ban on gambling on baseballis still enforced on players and coaches/managers but that doesn't change the fact the message is now mixed to a degree that once would have been intolerable.


I just don't see it as a mixed message though.  Of course MLB or any of the leagues wouldn't previously support or encourage gambling for the general public.  It was pretty much universally illegal outside of Vegas.  But now it's not.

Gambling among players and coaches is a completely separate thing.  It was against league rules and remains so.  If Pete was a current player or manager and was caught gambling, then he would still face a lifetime ban.
 
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