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vudukungfu [TotalFark]
2023-02-02 6:50:51 AM  
Vermont has an easy law.
As long as it is less than 6 feet in length you may carry it concealed.

Vermont doesn't have a very high murder rate. I mean, outside of middle school basketball games, and an apparent serial killer, but it isn't filled with people from Alabamans.

Let's see what happens.
 
August11 [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-02 6:53:30 AM  
They also said it includes odd language. One example, cited by Prine, is a provision instructing a motorist, after getting pulled over by a law enforcement officer, not to "touch a handgun" with his or her fingers.

I detect the legislation of a GOP stooge who has never held or fired a handgun but thinks he knows how to pander to the base.
 
Mr. Coffee Nerves [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-02 6:59:11 AM  
It's almost like Alabama's police officers just realized running the plate on a traffic stop no longer includes concealed carry permit information on the presumed driver.

Then again, it's Alabama, so the cops probably figure everyone is packing, including each kid on a school bus.
 
SpaceMonkey-66 [TotalFark]
2023-02-02 7:32:20 AM  

August11: They also said it includes odd language. One example, cited by Prine, is a provision instructing a motorist, after getting pulled over by a law enforcement officer, not to "touch a handgun" with his or her fingers.

I detect the legislation of a GOP stooge who has never held or fired a handgun but thinks he knows how to pander to the base.


Also a way give cops a provision of the law that can be easily abused.

You know, for those people......
 
The Homer Tax
2023-02-02 8:24:30 AM  
Does it matter what the law actually says? In practice white folks will continue to be fine, and minorities will continue to be extrajudicially murdered.
 
PirateKing [OhFark]
2023-02-02 8:25:15 AM  

August11: They also said it includes odd language. One example, cited by Prine, is a provision instructing a motorist, after getting pulled over by a law enforcement officer, not to "touch a handgun" with his or her fingers.

I detect the legislation of a GOP stooge who has never held or fired a handgun but thinks he knows how to pander to the base.


But if you've got monkey toes and a long rifle knock yourself out.
 
groppet
2023-02-02 8:26:52 AM  
Well damn I was going to walk around down there dragging a cannon around, shall not be infringed!
 
Muta
2023-02-02 8:27:22 AM  

August11: They also said it includes odd language. One example, cited by Prine, is a provision instructing a motorist, after getting pulled over by a law enforcement officer, not to "touch a handgun" with his or her fingers.

I detect the legislation of a GOP stooge who has never held or fired a handgun but thinks he knows how to pander to the base.


This would be legal then?

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InfoFreako
2023-02-02 8:31:05 AM  

August11: They also said it includes odd language. One example, cited by Prine, is a provision instructing a motorist, after getting pulled over by a law enforcement officer, not to "touch a handgun" with his or her fingers.

I detect the legislation of a GOP stooge who has never held or fired a handgun but thinks he knows how to pander to the base.


Loophole detected

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dracos31
2023-02-02 8:32:26 AM  

Muta: August11: They also said it includes odd language. One example, cited by Prine, is a provision instructing a motorist, after getting pulled over by a law enforcement officer, not to "touch a handgun" with his or her fingers.

I detect the legislation of a GOP stooge who has never held or fired a handgun but thinks he knows how to pander to the base.

This would be legal then?

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Too ethnic. They'll have to shoot her for resisting.
 
The Four Ringer [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-02 8:33:40 AM  

vudukungfu: Vermont has an easy law.
As long as it is less than 6 feet in length you may carry it concealed.

Vermont doesn't have a very high murder rate. I mean, outside of middle school basketball games, and an apparent serial killer, but it isn't filled with people from Alabamans.

Let's see what happens.


I thought they had permits in VT, no? My cousin moved up there a few years back from CT, where he still has an active permit, and I could swear he mentioned something about VT accepting CTs permit or something to that effect.
 
Super_pope
2023-02-02 8:33:47 AM  

InfoFreako: August11: They also said it includes odd language. One example, cited by Prine, is a provision instructing a motorist, after getting pulled over by a law enforcement officer, not to "touch a handgun" with his or her fingers.

I detect the legislation of a GOP stooge who has never held or fired a handgun but thinks he knows how to pander to the base.

Loophole detected

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I can't imagine trying to do that for a laugh.  People not really doing anything wrong sometimes shoot themselves by accident.  Why would you invite disaster like that?
 
rzrwiresunrise
2023-02-02 8:34:00 AM  
If ppl would simply follow the Constitution, there wouldn't be such confusion. What part of "shall not be infringed" do you ppl not understand?
 
HugsAndPuppies
2023-02-02 8:34:16 AM  

Muta: August11: They also said it includes odd language. One example, cited by Prine, is a provision instructing a motorist, after getting pulled over by a law enforcement officer, not to "touch a handgun" with his or her fingers.

I detect the legislation of a GOP stooge who has never held or fired a handgun but thinks he knows how to pander to the base.

This would be legal then?

[ralphvandenberg.com image 600x325]


Only if she wears pants.
 
blackminded
2023-02-02 8:34:34 AM  

The Homer Tax: Does it matter what the law actually says? In practice white folks will continue to be fine, and minorities will continue to be extrajudicially murdered.


All of these "constitutional carry" laws make a lot more since if you add "for white people" to the language. Really I'm just waiting for some state legislature to have the balls to explicitly lay that out:

State law shall respect the right for white people to carry a firearm upon their person visibly or concealed without seizure or molestation by law enforcement.

/someone get ALEC on the phone
 
severedtoe
2023-02-02 8:35:28 AM  
Guns are now the number 1 killer of american children and adolescents.  yet we have the push for looser gun regulations.  Meanwhile the GQP can only attack the schools, its teachers and staff making the learning environment much more fraught with anxiety and fear of retribution.

The GQP has made a direct attack against the youth of this nation.  they can only show their loathing for gen-z, and they see it.
 
The Four Ringer [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-02 8:35:36 AM  
So the Republican sheriff is upset about outside groups coming in and writing bs laws by working with Republican politicians.

Huh
 
holdmybones
2023-02-02 8:43:48 AM  

blackminded: The Homer Tax: Does it matter what the law actually says? In practice white folks will continue to be fine, and minorities will continue to be extrajudicially murdered.

All of these "constitutional carry" laws make a lot more since if you add "for white people" to the language. Really I'm just waiting for some state legislature to have the balls to explicitly lay that out:

State law shall respect the right for white people to carry a firearm upon their person visibly or concealed without seizure or molestation by law enforcement.

/someone get ALEC on the phone


I clicked assuming the confusion was everyone supported "constitutional carry for all" until someone said "wait a minute....all?" and then someone else said "well, you know,  not everyone. I mean, shiat" and then they went back to drinking lite beer.
 
centrifugal bumblepuppy
2023-02-02 8:45:06 AM  
Is this similar to what Florida's going to have?
 
wademh
2023-02-02 8:45:34 AM  
Commas, how do they work.
 
GoldSpider
2023-02-02 8:45:35 AM  

vudukungfu: Vermont has an easy law.
As long as it is less than 6 feet in length you may carry it concealed.

Vermont doesn't have a very high murder rate. I mean, outside of middle school basketball games, and an apparent serial killer, but it isn't filled with people from Alabamans.

Let's see what happens.


So it would appear that at least in some places, access to firearms isn't a driver of gun violence.
 
HotWingConspiracy
2023-02-02 8:46:37 AM  
They also said it includes odd language. One example, cited by Prine, is a provision instructing a motorist, after getting pulled over by a law enforcement officer, not to "touch a handgun" with his or her fingers.

"It's odd that they would put that into the law, that specific language," said Prine. "For most of us, it's common sense for someone not to touch their weapon when encountering a law enforcement official. But someone felt it should be part of the law and make it part of the violations."

Someone who touches their gun during a traffic stop could be subject to a Class A misdemeanor. That is a different level of punishment than other classes of misdemeanor violations contained within the same law, Prine and Burch said.

Walk me through this...cop walks up to a car, the person "has their fingers on their gun". The cop then politely explains they're under arrest for misdemeanor gun fingering and doesn't immediately shoot them?
 
SirDigbyChickenCaesar
2023-02-02 8:46:41 AM  
Eddie Fulmer, the head of BamaCarry -- the gun-rights organization based in Northport..."We are not happy with that at all. We didn't write that in there"

Farking lobbyist shouldn't be writing anything into bills
 
brainlordmesomorph
2023-02-02 8:47:08 AM  
What we need to do is to start branded "ANTIFA Gun Clubs" in all inner-cities, specializing in assault rifle training. (I'm sorry, I mean "America's Rifle")

Watch the GQP suddenly change their tune.
 
Wessoman
2023-02-02 8:48:38 AM  
FTFA, the Gun Rights advocate argued this:

"We don't feel like when you are pulled over (for running) a stop sign, that an officer should take a weapon from you and run a (background check)," said Fulmer. "If you don't tell them you have a weapon with you, then you are susceptible to a criminal offense. We are not happy with that at all. We didn't write that in there. The Republicans wrote that in, and we tried to get it taken out before it was passed."

Hahahah my sweet summerchild, you've made the very false assumption that the GOP will not take away your guns. Philandro Castille proved that the right does NOT care about the second amendment rights of all Americans (especially African Americans), and we all know the reason why Police "Get assault weapons off of our streets" initiatives to buy back guns are always run in urban inner cities and never where there are a proponderance of overarmed white rural Christians?

So you gun rights hayseeds, The Republican party inserted language where they feel they can take your guns away for any reason an officer sees fit, like if you are black and armed, or flying a pride flag, or just pissed the local sheriff off. It's all really up to the authoritarian assholes you willfully ceded your rights to, and completely out of your hands.

Have a nice day.
 
Iowan73
2023-02-02 8:50:03 AM  

August11: They also said it includes odd language. One example, cited by Prine, is a provision instructing a motorist, after getting pulled over by a law enforcement officer, not to "touch a handgun" with his or her fingers.

I detect the legislation of a GOP stooge who has never held or fired a handgun but thinks he knows how to pander to the base.


Can you touch your gun with something other than your fingers?
 
LarryDan43
2023-02-02 8:50:33 AM  
Democrats are passing common sense gun laws in blue states!!! That means  we must pass no common sense gun laws!!
 
Wessoman
2023-02-02 8:53:14 AM  

Iowan73: August11: They also said it includes odd language. One example, cited by Prine, is a provision instructing a motorist, after getting pulled over by a law enforcement officer, not to "touch a handgun" with his or her fingers.

I detect the legislation of a GOP stooge who has never held or fired a handgun but thinks he knows how to pander to the base.

Can you touch your gun with something other than your fingers?


You could, but then that cop is definitely shooting you.
 
SpaceMonkey-66 [TotalFark]
2023-02-02 8:55:59 AM  

LarryDan43: Democrats are passing common sense gun laws in blue states!!! That means  we must pass no common sense gun laws!!


You lose me when you use the two word "common sense".  It means whatever we pull out of our asses.
 
danvon
2023-02-02 8:56:44 AM  
FTFA: "Still, recouping lost revenues appears to be a top concern for sheriffs. The Association of County Commissions of Alabama is working to draft legislation that would supplement the lost permit funding to sheriff's departments."

What a shocker. Law enforcement's main concern is losing money. Time to ramp up civil asset forfeiture.

"When you handed me your driver's license, I noticed that you had a 20 dollar bill in there. Everyone knows people pay cash for drugs. You've obviously sold drugs, so hand it over."
 
vilesithknight
2023-02-02 8:57:26 AM  

The Four Ringer: vudukungfu: Vermont has an easy law.
As long as it is less than 6 feet in length you may carry it concealed.

Vermont doesn't have a very high murder rate. I mean, outside of middle school basketball games, and an apparent serial killer, but it isn't filled with people from Alabamans.

Let's see what happens.

I thought they had permits in VT, no? My cousin moved up there a few years back from CT, where he still has an active permit, and I could swear he mentioned something about VT accepting CTs permit or something to that effect.


Just because you don't have to have to have a permit, doesn't mean they won't offer them anyway. I live in permitless state. It started as a CCW state. When the first CCW law was enacted, everyone was advertising $300 permits. Then it got way more prevalent, and the price came down to $150. Now you don't have to have one at all, and I'm seeing ads for $25. For some reason a small handful of people still care about getting one. I guess it makes them feel cool or something.
 
Wine Sipping Elitist [TotalFark]
2023-02-02 8:59:22 AM  

severedtoe: Guns are now the number 1 killer of american children and adolescents.  yet we have the push for looser gun regulations.  Meanwhile the GQP can only attack the schools, its teachers and staff making the learning environment much more fraught with anxiety and fear of retribution.

The GQP has made a direct attack against the youth of this nation.  they can only show their loathing for gen-z, and they see it.


Wow, you're right.

This change was driven largely by firearm homicides, which saw a 33.4% increase in the crude rate from 2019 to 2020, whereas the crude rate of firearm suicides increased by 1.1%

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Kyle Butler
2023-02-02 9:00:20 AM  
"Someone who touches their gun during a traffic stop could be subject to a Class A misdemeanor."

And if you're the wrong color it is an immediate death sentence.
 
kindms
2023-02-02 9:02:14 AM  

vilesithknight: The Four Ringer: vudukungfu: Vermont has an easy law.
As long as it is less than 6 feet in length you may carry it concealed.

Vermont doesn't have a very high murder rate. I mean, outside of middle school basketball games, and an apparent serial killer, but it isn't filled with people from Alabamans.

Let's see what happens.

I thought they had permits in VT, no? My cousin moved up there a few years back from CT, where he still has an active permit, and I could swear he mentioned something about VT accepting CTs permit or something to that effect.

Just because you don't have to have to have a permit, doesn't mean they won't offer them anyway. I live in permitless state. It started as a CCW state. When the first CCW law was enacted, everyone was advertising $300 permits. Then it got way more prevalent, and the price came down to $150. Now you don't have to have one at all, and I'm seeing ads for $25. For some reason a small handful of people still care about getting one. I guess it makes them feel cool or something.


other states that honor them for travel ? (I have no idea if this is even a thing or not)
 
SpaceMonkey-66 [TotalFark]
2023-02-02 9:02:14 AM  

danvon: FTFA: "Still, recouping lost revenues appears to be a top concern for sheriffs. The Association of County Commissions of Alabama is working to draft legislation that would supplement the lost permit funding to sheriff's departments."

What a shocker. Law enforcement's main concern is losing money. Time to ramp up civil asset forfeiture.

"When you handed me your driver's license, I noticed that you had a 20 dollar bill in there. Everyone knows people pay cash for drugs. You've obviously sold drugs, so hand it over."


And there it is.....

Like my grandpappy said (God rest his soul), always follow the money......
 
Wine Sipping Elitist [TotalFark]
2023-02-02 9:02:27 AM  

Iowan73: August11: They also said it includes odd language. One example, cited by Prine, is a provision instructing a motorist, after getting pulled over by a law enforcement officer, not to "touch a handgun" with his or her fingers.

I detect the legislation of a GOP stooge who has never held or fired a handgun but thinks he knows how to pander to the base.

Can you touch your gun with something other than your fingers?


Found the guy who doesn't f*ck his gun.

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HerptheDerp
2023-02-02 9:04:08 AM  
I know I could say this at any point in history, but, the right wing is drafting some of the worst policy I've ever seen to date
 
FlippityFlap
2023-02-02 9:05:16 AM  

rzrwiresunrise: If ppl would simply follow the Constitution, there wouldn't be such confusion. What part of "shall not be infringed" do you ppl not understand?


I don't know, what part of "well regulated" do you not understand, Jefferson?
 
Cheron
2023-02-02 9:08:41 AM  
Legislative equivalent of letting Homer design a car. Someone was so excited about freeing the guns they didn't think about what they were saying.

Simple question, can an 18 year old conceal carry at school under this law?
 
HerptheDerp
2023-02-02 9:09:27 AM  

rzrwiresunrise: If ppl would simply follow the Constitution, there wouldn't be such confusion. What part of "shall not be infringed" do you ppl not understand?


Wait, you're doing this as ironic parody right? Because Poe's Law is fully in effect.
I know some people are still humping this line, but I really hope you aren't serious or that dense.
 
PunGent
2023-02-02 9:10:36 AM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Eddie Fulmer, the head of BamaCarry -- the gun-rights organization based in Northport..."We are not happy with that at all. We didn't write that in there"

Farking lobbyist shouldn't be writing anything into bills


Bonus points:  his name is basically an anagram of "Elmer Fudd"...
 
blackminded
2023-02-02 9:12:55 AM  

Cheron: Legislative equivalent of letting Homer design a car. Someone was so excited about freeing the guns they didn't think about what they were saying.

Simple question, can an 18 year old conceal carry at school under this law?


Well when I was a boy my pappy gimme a shotgun so we could go shootin varmints after our schooling was done. I kept it in the truck during class and didn't think nothin of it. Therefore these kids need to be able to pack heat in the classroom. They'd be safer.

/actual Fark argument
 
JerkStore
2023-02-02 9:15:31 AM  
Just shove the guns up your asses already and get the ceremony overwith. This edging is getting extremely tedious.
 
FlippityFlap
2023-02-02 9:22:35 AM  

HerptheDerp: rzrwiresunrise: If ppl would simply follow the Constitution, there wouldn't be such confusion. What part of "shall not be infringed" do you ppl not understand?

Wait, you're doing this as ironic parody right? Because Poe's Law is fully in effect.
I know some people are still humping this line, but I really hope you aren't serious or that dense.


it'd hard to tell anymore....I own more firearms than most, but that's because I like to go target shooting and I collect WW2 military bolt-action rifles. One thing you'll never see me do is open-carry, which is legal where I live. If I feel like I need a firearm to be safe, it's time to move. It's probably time to move..lol...out of the country. Too bad I'm old and don't have a pile of money to put in another country's banks. Buy the ticket, take the ride as the good Doctor HST used to say.......
 
danvon
2023-02-02 9:24:20 AM  

rzrwiresunrise: If ppl would simply follow the Constitution, there wouldn't be such confusion. What part of "shall not be infringed" do you ppl not understand?


There is no civil right embodied in the Amendments that is absolute.  Don't see anyone arguing that libel/slander/fraud/perjury/menacing laws are violating the 1st. I see a continuous weakening of the 4th Am. SCOTUS refuses to weigh in on when during a police investigation one can remain silent without it being used against the defendant under the 5th, so, depending on where you live, your silence may, or may not be used against you.

The only one that receives this type of absolutism argument, is the 2nd.

As it's been said, it's  the Bill of Rights, not a suicide pact.
 
Northern
2023-02-02 9:31:36 AM  
So BamaCarry, the superpac wrote the law.  They are upset that police can run a check to make sure that a gun found during a routine traffic stop is legal.
Thats insane.  It's one of the few times police would be in a position to confirm that the gun is legally owned.
But tell us again how gun regulations harm rural folks with their hunting muskets that are basically the same MCX Spears so they should be allowed heavy mobile infantry because the founding fathers said so in the Federalist Papers.  In fact, rural counties should have their own nuclear weapons arsenals.
 
thornhill
2023-02-02 9:33:41 AM  
FTFA:

They also said it includes odd language. One example, cited by Prine, is a provision instructing a motorist, after getting pulled over by a law enforcement officer, not to "touch a handgun" with his or her fingers.

"It's odd that they would put that into the law, that specific language," said Prine. "For most of us, it's common sense for someone not to touch their weapon when encountering a law enforcement official. But someone felt it should be part of the law and make it part of the violations."

Someone who touches their gun during a traffic stop could be subject to a Class A misdemeanor. That is a different level of punishment than other classes of misdemeanor violations contained within the same law, Prine and Burch said.

I don't get what their issue is here. It seems pretty clear that the drafters of the law wanted to communicate to gun owners that keeping their hands off their gun during a traffic stop isn't a suggestion. And there's no reason why various violations of the law all must have the same level of punishment.

And that fact that they needed to make this the law would seem to reflect that some people in law enforcement are very nervous about pulling over drivers who may have a gun.
 
Fissile
2023-02-02 9:37:51 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: It's almost like Alabama's police officers just realized running the plate on a traffic stop no longer includes concealed carry permit information on the presumed driver.

Then again, it's Alabama, so the cops probably figure everyone is packing, including each kid on a school bus.


Every cop, everywhere in US Murica, believes this, even in the 'communist' states with strict gun control laws.  This is why cops start blasting the second they feel 'threatened'.
 
Thank You Black Jesus! [BareFark]
2023-02-02 9:37:57 AM  

severedtoe: Guns are now the number 1 killer of american children and adolescents.  yet we have the push for looser gun regulations.  Meanwhile the GQP can only attack the schools, its teachers and staff making the learning environment much more fraught with anxiety and fear of retribution.

The GQP has made a direct attack against the youth of this nation.  they can only show their loathing for gen-z, and they see it.


I'm just trying to figure out what the end game is here.  what's the ideal outcome?  white people get to shoot each other because live free or die?  white people get to shoot black people because live free or die?  hoping cops get shot so 'they' can initiate a crackdown?
 
Thank You Black Jesus! [BareFark]
2023-02-02 9:39:21 AM  

Iowan73: August11: They also said it includes odd language. One example, cited by Prine, is a provision instructing a motorist, after getting pulled over by a law enforcement officer, not to "touch a handgun" with his or her fingers.

I detect the legislation of a GOP stooge who has never held or fired a handgun but thinks he knows how to pander to the base.

Can you touch your gun with something other than your fingers?


i rang the doorbell, didn't i?
 
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