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(Fox Business)   U.S. corn farmers "sound off" on an catastrophe that may utterly destroy their way of life: Losing the billions in government ethanol "subsidies" that have let them continue growing and making money off a crop nobody actually needs. Also, Mexico   (foxbusiness.com) divider line
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2023-02-01 9:05:41 AM  
Funny how the states that like to call everything "socialism" basically exist on socialism.
 
2023-02-01 9:13:44 AM  

Farkonaut: Funny how the states that like to call everything "socialism" basically exist on socialism.


It's like every accusation is a confession.
 
2023-02-01 9:14:00 AM  
Turning diesel into ethanol always seemed like a pretty inefficient strategy, anyway.
 
2023-02-01 9:29:13 AM  
Corn is already one of the most relied upon food products in the US. From chips, to breading, to actual corn products, and sweeteners. There is a solid market.

The problem is that folks insist on trying to push their products into entirely different markets where they're not the best fit. Ethanol wasn't bad idea entirely, when folks were worried about oil prices and availability, but with new technologies, things are changing. Corn syrup in EVERYTHING is maybe not the greatest thing for healthy eating habits. Or for those who might develop diabetes.

The myth that markets can just keep expanding is a lovely tale. But there are only so many takers for products, and at some point, you can't just keep shoving the same stuff out there, only MOAR of it, and expect the market to be keep being sustainable. At some point, corn farmers are going to have to think of a bit of diversification. Maybe look to hemp--a slightly better fuel idea, not to mention usable in products that AREN'T going to compete with their corn crops. The same lobbying firms for corn farmers could take up US hemp for industrial use as they have for ethanol and other uses, which means that the folks who are deeply invested could still maintain their relationships and status, and instead argue for a crop that could actually stand some subsidies to promote.
 
2023-02-01 9:50:56 AM  
It's not one of the Big Eight allergens that are declared on package labels, but corn allergy is a real thing.

Stop forcing this shiat into our food supply.
 
2023-02-01 10:12:00 AM  
If we want to subsidize something, let's subsidize consumer prices for fresh fruits and vegetables at retail only and consequently fix our obesity (and related) problems in like a decade or two.
 
2023-02-01 10:15:31 AM  

Farkonaut: Funny how the states that like to call everything "socialism" basically exist on socialism.


How do you raise your income as a famer in the United States? Put out a second mailbox.
 
2023-02-01 10:29:57 AM  
A regulatory move within Mexico's agricultural sector has U.S. farmers concerned it will "corn-er"

Farmers remain husky

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2023-02-01 10:33:05 AM  

koder: If we want to subsidize something, let's subsidize consumer prices for fresh fruits and vegetables at retail only and consequently fix our obesity (and related) problems in like a decade or two.


amen. ever notice there are no coupons for produce? what the hell is that. and if you want any produce that has been packaged (fruit platter, et cetera) they charge a farking fortune.

overall there is something wrong in making people buy food they depend upon to live. that is just evil.
 
2023-02-01 10:33:38 AM  

hubiestubert: Corn is already one of the most relied upon food products in the US. From chips, to breading, to actual corn products, and sweeteners. There is a solid market.

The problem is that folks insist on trying to push their products into entirely different markets where they're not the best fit. Ethanol wasn't bad idea entirely, when folks were worried about oil prices and availability, but with new technologies, things are changing. Corn syrup in EVERYTHING is maybe not the greatest thing for healthy eating habits. Or for those who might develop diabetes.

The myth that markets can just keep expanding is a lovely tale. But there are only so many takers for products, and at some point, you can't just keep shoving the same stuff out there, only MOAR of it, and expect the market to be keep being sustainable. At some point, corn farmers are going to have to think of a bit of diversification. Maybe look to hemp--a slightly better fuel idea, not to mention usable in products that AREN'T going to compete with their corn crops. The same lobbying firms for corn farmers could take up US hemp for industrial use as they have for ethanol and other uses, which means that the folks who are deeply invested could still maintain their relationships and status, and instead argue for a crop that could actually stand some subsidies to promote.


Or we could outlaw toilet paper and mandate the use of Corn Cobs, like those bootstrappy Iowa GOP types do.
 
2023-02-01 10:35:34 AM  
Did subby link to the wrong article?  Because the one I clicked was about Mexico banning GMO corn.
 
2023-02-01 10:36:18 AM  

sinko swimo: koder: If we want to subsidize something, let's subsidize consumer prices for fresh fruits and vegetables at retail only and consequently fix our obesity (and related) problems in like a decade or two.

amen. ever notice there are no coupons for produce? what the hell is that. and if you want any produce that has been packaged (fruit platter, et cetera) they charge a farking fortune.

overall there is something wrong in making people buy food they depend upon to live. that is just evil.


True. You should give your work product away, too. Never mind how you manage to support yourself.
 
2023-02-01 10:36:41 AM  
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2023-02-01 10:39:13 AM  

Farkonaut: Funny how the states that like to call everything "socialism" basically exist on socialism.


No you see, they work for it so it's not socialism
 
2023-02-01 10:39:58 AM  

sinko swimo: koder: If we want to subsidize something, let's subsidize consumer prices for fresh fruits and vegetables at retail only and consequently fix our obesity (and related) problems in like a decade or two.

amen. ever notice there are no coupons for produce? what the hell is that. and if you want any produce that has been packaged (fruit platter, et cetera) they charge a farking fortune.

overall there is something wrong in making people buy food they depend upon to live. that is just evil.


You think that fruit cuts itself?  Produce prices fluctuate.  Buy what's cheap.  There are plenty of options in the produce section.
 
2023-02-01 10:43:07 AM  
I read the comments about the deep state conspiracy that this really is.  Never read the comments
 
2023-02-01 10:43:43 AM  

Farkonaut: Funny how the states that like to call everything "socialism" basically exist on socialism.


I think it's more funny that people that overwhelmingly voted Trump are essentially dealing now with Mexican Trump.
 
2023-02-01 10:44:38 AM  

Tr0mBoNe: Turning diesel into ethanol always seemed like a pretty inefficient strategy, anyway.


It makes more sense to use chicken feathers left over from making my chicken nuggets.
 
2023-02-01 10:46:14 AM  

Metaluna Mutant: [Fark user image image 525x360]


"Only if they are white" - Also Truman
 
2023-02-01 10:53:28 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Farkonaut: Funny how the states that like to call everything "socialism" basically exist on socialism.

How do you raise your income as a famer in the United States? Put out a second mailbox.


csb/
My sister told me she dated a farmer many years ago.  He told her that any farmer who went bankrupt was bad at business, because the US Government gives farmers loads of money.

/csb
 
2023-02-01 10:55:54 AM  

Jeebus Saves: Did subby link to the wrong article?  Because the one I clicked was about Mexico banning GMO corn.


The one I clicked on only said "Please disable your ad blocker."

It's Fox Business, though, so hard no.
 
2023-02-01 10:57:08 AM  

Chief Superintendent Lookout: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Farkonaut: Funny how the states that like to call everything "socialism" basically exist on socialism.

How do you raise your income as a famer in the United States? Put out a second mailbox.

csb/
My sister told me she dated a farmer many years ago.  He told her that any farmer who went bankrupt was bad at business, because the US Government gives farmers loads of money.

/csb


"Major Major's father was a sober God-fearing man whose idea of a good joke was to lie about his age. He was a long-limbed farmer, a God-fearing, freedom-loving, law-abiding rugged individualist who held that federal aid to anyone but farmers was creeping socialism.

He advocated thrift and hard work and disapproved of loose women who turned him down. His specialty was alfalfa, and he made a good thing out of not growing any. The government paid him well for every bushel of alfalfa he did not grow.

The more alfalfa he did not grow, the more money the government gave him, and he spent every penny he didn't earn on new land to increase the amount of alfalfa he did not produce.

Major Major's father worked without rest at not growing alfalfa. On long winter evenings he remained indoors and did not mend harness, and he sprang out of bed at the crack of noon every day just to make certain that the chores would not be done.

He invested in land wisely and soon was not growing more alfalfa than any other man in the county. Neighbors sought him out for advice on all subjects, for he had made much money and was therefore wise.

"As ye sow, so shall ye reap," he counseled one and all, and everyone said, "Amen."
 
2023-02-01 11:05:18 AM  

Tr0mBoNe: Turning diesel into ethanol always seemed like a pretty inefficient strategy, anyway.


You'd think the farmers would have Diesel engines that run on ethanol. You'd think that would be a large industry to support themselves that way.
 
2023-02-01 11:07:59 AM  

sinko swimo: ever notice there are no coupons for produce?


Closest I can give you is a program that doubles food stamp dollars at farmer markets: https://www.plantchicago.org/link-up-illinois-program
 
2023-02-01 11:18:48 AM  

sinko swimo: ever notice there are no coupons for produce?


Coupons are scams to make you think you are saving money (and I've gotten them for frozen veggies) when they could just lower their price. With fresh produce there is no time to fark around with coupons because it will spoil by the time it makes print so they just mark it down.
 
2023-02-01 11:33:43 AM  
industrial corn isn't actually food. it can be processed into something akin to edible by humans via various techniques, but on it's own, it's not food.
 
2023-02-01 11:36:57 AM  

sinko swimo: koder: If we want to subsidize something, let's subsidize consumer prices for fresh fruits and vegetables at retail only and consequently fix our obesity (and related) problems in like a decade or two.

amen. ever notice there are no coupons for produce? what the hell is that. and if you want any produce that has been packaged (fruit platter, et cetera) they charge a farking fortune.

overall there is something wrong in making people buy food they depend upon to live. that is just evil.


Let's take it a step further..

It forces us to rely more on unhealthy foods which will lead to more illness, helping to prop up the medical and pharmaceutical industries.
 
2023-02-01 11:45:43 AM  

Jeebus Saves: Did subby link to the wrong article?  Because the one I clicked was about Mexico banning GMO corn.


Yup, and there is nothing wrong with Mexico doing so.  The GMO seed business if farking evil.   Fark Monsanto.
 
2023-02-01 11:58:47 AM  

Fissile: Jeebus Saves: Did subby link to the wrong article?  Because the one I clicked was about Mexico banning GMO corn.

Yup, and there is nothing wrong with Mexico doing so.  The GMO seed business if farking evil.   Fark Monsanto.


and that's a really good question,

Can Monsanto sue mexican farmers if glyphosate resistant corns shows up in Mexico?
 
2023-02-01 12:04:40 PM  
subby must be working for Big Agri to tell this lie:
U.S. corn farmers "sound off" on an catastrophe that may utterly destroy their way of life: Losing the billions in government ethanol "subsidies" that have let them continue growing and making money off a crop nobody actually needs. Also, Mexico

here this simple edit shows the truth:

U.S. Big Agri corporations "sound off" on an catastrophe that may utterly destroy their way of life: Losing the billions in government ethanol "subsidies" that have let them continue growing and making money off a mono crop industry nobody actually needs regardless of what our civilization actually needs. Also, Mexico

meanwhile any actual farmers are at best lower middle class income earners, and more commonly middle of the bell middle poverty lifestyle.
 
2023-02-01 1:07:58 PM  

hubiestubert: Corn syrup in EVERYTHING is maybe not the greatest thing for healthy eating habits. Or for those who might develop diabetes.


High-fructose corn syrup is a combination of glucose and fructose. Table sugar is also a combination of...glucose and fructose.

The glucose molecular formula in HFCS is C6H1206.The glucose molecular formula in table sugar is also C6H1206. It's the same molecule every day of the week, including Sundays. Same with the fructose. The are nutritionally the same.
https://examine.com/articles/difference-between-hfcs-and-sugar/

The sugar lobby has brainwashed many people into believing that HFCS is somehow worse for you than sugar.

The reason soft-drink companies and candy companies switched from sugar is because of the power of the sugar lobby. The sugar lobby had congress implement an import quota on the amount of sugar that could be imported into the US. This artificial scarcity drove up the price of sugar, so many American companies walked away from sugar completely.

Other countries, without sugar import quotas, continue to use sugar in their soft-drinks and candies. But molecularly, it's the same product. The only difference is how it's made.

Basically the debate is between clear, pure H20 made from spring water, and that dirty dihydrogen monoxide that comes from industrial desalination plants.
 
2023-02-01 1:25:48 PM  
wow, it's almost as if subsidies exist to keep prices stable while discouraging overproduction.

take away the subsidies

woo I'll fill every acre with corn!

price drops, crop is unprofitable because of oversupply

well crap i guess i need to grow twice as much next year   rinse repeat    meanwhile monsanto/conagra wait until the bottom falls out, and buy up foreclosed farmland for cheap.
 
2023-02-01 1:43:19 PM  

koder: If we want to subsidize something, let's subsidize consumer prices for fresh fruits and vegetables at retail only and consequently fix our obesity (and related) problems in like a decade or two.


Food, including fruits and vegetables, is incredibly cheap today when compared to decades past.

We aren't obese because we can't afford fruits and vegetables.

Over the Past 100 Years, Food Prices Have Fallen By 82%
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You can find and post more recent data if you have it, but even with our insane inflation produce is unfathomably cheap compared to virtually all of human history.
 
2023-02-01 2:21:41 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: koder: If we want to subsidize something, let's subsidize consumer prices for fresh fruits and vegetables at retail only and consequently fix our obesity (and related) problems in like a decade or two.

Food, including fruits and vegetables, is incredibly cheap today when compared to decades past.

We aren't obese because we can't afford fruits and vegetables.

Over the Past 100 Years, Food Prices Have Fallen By 82%
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You can find and post more recent data if you have it, but even with our insane inflation produce is unfathomably cheap compared to virtually all of human history.


The United States has the cheapest food on the planet. Everybody forgets that they are not just subsidizing farmers. They are subsidizing themselves. https://www.vox.com/2014/7/6/5874499/map-heres-how-much-every-country-spends-on-food

And they are subsidizing billions of people all over the globe. Because the United States is also the world's largest food exporter. https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-american-food-giant-the-largest-exporter-of-food-in-the-world.html

A stable and abundant food production system is a matter of national security.
 
2023-02-01 4:21:15 PM  
Subby, I despise that Shait Ethanol Ag Giveaway more than anyone, but the article said nothing about it.
Let's be fair.

/ I really, really hate the Ethanol scam
// I really, really WANTED the article to be about Ethanol, thus the disapoint in my soul.
 
2023-02-01 4:31:18 PM  

Rapmaster2000: A regulatory move within Mexico's agricultural sector has U.S. farmers concerned it will "corn-er"

Farmers remain husky

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I took journalism classes in college and tried a goofy pun like that for one of my headlines and my teacher looked up at the sky and yelled "NOOOO!" I guess we know FOX reporters never took a real journalism class.
 
2023-02-01 4:33:34 PM  

Jeebus Saves: Did subby link to the wrong article?  Because the one I clicked was about Mexico banning GMO corn.


Yeah this.  I'm wondering if commenters here did not RTFA at all and took subby's opinion at face value or some link got screwed. Either way the linked article was basically farmers whining that their buyers don't want their product anymore and they have no idea how to change nor do they want to.  It's 1950's way of life of nothing.
 
2023-02-01 4:46:36 PM  

CCNP: hubiestubert: Corn syrup in EVERYTHING is maybe not the greatest thing for healthy eating habits. Or for those who might develop diabetes.

High-fructose corn syrup is a combination of glucose and fructose. Table sugar is also a combination of...glucose and fructose.

The glucose molecular formula in HFCS is C6H1206.The glucose molecular formula in table sugar is also C6H1206. It's the same molecule every day of the week, including Sundays. Same with the fructose. The are nutritionally the same.
https://examine.com/articles/difference-between-hfcs-and-sugar/

The sugar lobby has brainwashed many people into believing that HFCS is somehow worse for you than sugar.

The reason soft-drink companies and candy companies switched from sugar is because of the power of the sugar lobby. The sugar lobby had congress implement an import quota on the amount of sugar that could be imported into the US. This artificial scarcity drove up the price of sugar, so many American companies walked away from sugar completely.

Other countries, without sugar import quotas, continue to use sugar in their soft-drinks and candies. But molecularly, it's the same product. The only difference is how it's made.

Basically the debate is between clear, pure H20 made from spring water, and that dirty dihydrogen monoxide that comes from industrial desalination plants.


I think you missed the point that shoving sugar in EVERYTHING is not great for eating habits. It's not about the corn lobby, or the sugar lobby, it's about shoving the stuff into every damn thing. Trying to get a cuppa without five brazillian sorts of sugary fru-fru has pretty much made me give up on tea or coffee going out. Same with dressings that I don't make myself. Enabling either is not great for you.

At this point, the market shouldn't need subsidies, because it's got such a hold on folks. Everywhere.
 
2023-02-01 5:08:50 PM  

hubiestubert: CCNP: hubiestubert: Corn syrup in EVERYTHING is maybe not the greatest thing for healthy eating habits. Or for those who might develop diabetes.

High-fructose corn syrup is a combination of glucose and fructose. Table sugar is also a combination of...glucose and fructose.

The glucose molecular formula in HFCS is C6H1206.The glucose molecular formula in table sugar is also C6H1206. It's the same molecule every day of the week, including Sundays. Same with the fructose. The are nutritionally the same.
https://examine.com/articles/difference-between-hfcs-and-sugar/

The sugar lobby has brainwashed many people into believing that HFCS is somehow worse for you than sugar.

The reason soft-drink companies and candy companies switched from sugar is because of the power of the sugar lobby. The sugar lobby had congress implement an import quota on the amount of sugar that could be imported into the US. This artificial scarcity drove up the price of sugar, so many American companies walked away from sugar completely.

Other countries, without sugar import quotas, continue to use sugar in their soft-drinks and candies. But molecularly, it's the same product. The only difference is how it's made.

Basically the debate is between clear, pure H20 made from spring water, and that dirty dihydrogen monoxide that comes from industrial desalination plants.

I think you missed the point that shoving sugar in EVERYTHING is not great for eating habits. It's not about the corn lobby, or the sugar lobby, it's about shoving the stuff into every damn thing. Trying to get a cuppa without five brazillian sorts of sugary fru-fru has pretty much made me give up on tea or coffee going out. Same with dressings that I don't make myself. Enabling either is not great for you.

At this point, the market shouldn't need subsidies, because it's got such a hold on folks. Everywhere.


This shocks some people, but you can eat stuff without sugar. They sell it at every grocery store.

The "Uncle" in Uncle Sam is just a name. It's not your uncle to enforce healthy eating habits. That's not what governments are for.

But as long as people like sweet stuff, companies will figure out how to deliver it. But you can order your coffee black, it's not illegal.

But we don't need "Uncle" Sam to tell us how many lumps of sugar we are allowed to have in our coffee.
 
2023-02-01 7:12:37 PM  
I was unable to read the remainder the headline - it should be "a" catastrophe, not "an" catastrophe

Link
 
2023-02-01 7:36:18 PM  

hubiestubert: Corn is already one of the most relied upon food products in the US. From chips, to breading, to actual corn products, and sweeteners. There is a solid market.

The problem is that folks insist on trying to push their products into entirely different markets where they're not the best fit. Ethanol wasn't bad idea entirely, when folks were worried about oil prices and availability, but with new technologies, things are changing. Corn syrup in EVERYTHING is maybe not the greatest thing for healthy eating habits. Or for those who might develop diabetes.

The myth that markets can just keep expanding is a lovely tale. But there are only so many takers for products, and at some point, you can't just keep shoving the same stuff out there, only MOAR of it, and expect the market to be keep being sustainable. At some point, corn farmers are going to have to think of a bit of diversification. Maybe look to hemp--a slightly better fuel idea, not to mention usable in products that AREN'T going to compete with their corn crops. The same lobbying firms for corn farmers could take up US hemp for industrial use as they have for ethanol and other uses, which means that the folks who are deeply invested could still maintain their relationships and status, and instead argue for a crop that could actually stand some subsidies to promote.


The big trick is that corn-soybean-repeat is an extremely lucrative and viable crop rotation, what with corn almost completely depleting the nitrogen in the soil and soybeans fixing their own nitrogen and in fact putting some back, combined with the planting and harvest calendars of the two crops lining up very conveniently - and both having essentially "unlimited" industrial market demand.

If you can't, on average, have equal acreage of corn and soybeans, you have to do much more complex rotations with more crops and mismatched calendars, which is inconvenient, increases risk, and increases cost because more crop types mean more equipment and mismatched calendars mean more staff and operational complexity when two things need to be done at once.
 
2023-02-01 9:26:54 PM  

senor peacock: Fissile: Jeebus Saves: Did subby link to the wrong article?  Because the one I clicked was about Mexico banning GMO corn.

Yup, and there is nothing wrong with Mexico doing so.  The GMO seed business if farking evil.   Fark Monsanto.

and that's a really good question,

Can Monsanto sue mexican farmers if glyphosate resistant corns shows up in Mexico?


Yes, because they are dicks.
 
2023-02-01 9:29:35 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: koder: If we want to subsidize something, let's subsidize consumer prices for fresh fruits and vegetables at retail only and consequently fix our obesity (and related) problems in like a decade or two.

Food, including fruits and vegetables, is incredibly cheap today when compared to decades past.

We aren't obese because we can't afford fruits and vegetables.

Over the Past 100 Years, Food Prices Have Fallen By 82%
[Link][static.seekingalpha.com image 585x327]
You can find and post more recent data if you have it, but even with our insane inflation produce is unfathomably cheap compared to virtually all of human history.


What I find amazing is that many vegetables and fruit cost more per pound than chicken or pork.  The corn they feed the meat animals must be so very very cheap.
 
2023-02-02 12:54:15 AM  
After becoming completely dependent on government subsidies and Monsanto. They made their bed, now they have to lie in it.
 
2023-02-02 12:55:48 AM  

Bonzo_1116: Fark_Guy_Rob: koder: If we want to subsidize something, let's subsidize consumer prices for fresh fruits and vegetables at retail only and consequently fix our obesity (and related) problems in like a decade or two.

Food, including fruits and vegetables, is incredibly cheap today when compared to decades past.

We aren't obese because we can't afford fruits and vegetables.

Over the Past 100 Years, Food Prices Have Fallen By 82%
[Link][static.seekingalpha.com image 585x327]
You can find and post more recent data if you have it, but even with our insane inflation produce is unfathomably cheap compared to virtually all of human history.

What I find amazing is that many vegetables and fruit cost more per pound than chicken or pork.  The corn they feed the meat animals must be so very very cheap.


It's the government subsidies. Anything they make from selling the crop is almost pure profit. This makes it very popular.
 
2023-02-02 10:21:03 AM  
If they think this is bad, just wait until the majority of American drivers have EVs and the ethanol fuel market dries up.

There are some forward-thinking corn farmers that see the writing on the wall and starting to diversify their income streams.  But you know some farmers will cry to their Republican legislators and demand that the government help them out.

/something something government picking winners and losers
 
2023-02-02 11:05:00 AM  
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"Oh, and I drop nuclear bombs on civilians to help all people."
 
2023-02-02 12:26:39 PM  

scumm: industrial corn isn't actually food. it can be processed into something akin to edible by humans via various techniques, but on it's own, it's not food.


There are lots of stuff you eat that isn't food till we farked around with them either through cooking, processing it, or selective breeding. It's nothing special. 

Now for a list (not complete) of "potentially deadly food" people eat that if not done right is "not food"

Potatoes, cashews, various beans, rhubarb, castor oil, bamboo shoots, ackee (Jamaican fruit), lychee, asparagus, cassava, starfruit (technically never safe to eat), Brazil nuts (it even gets strict trade controls in the EU), Chaya, if you somehow eat and ungodly amount of fruit pits, AND MORE
 
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