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(Slate)   RNC: So, for 2024, what we're planning is to completely embrace the strategy that led to our complete rout in 2022. We're just going to do it harder this time   (slate.com) divider line
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OdradekRex [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-01 8:26:39 AM  
No, it's the voters who are wrong.
 
hubiestubert [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-01 8:35:49 AM  
Good luck with that.

Y'all DO know that white folks are declining in the population, right? And not all white folks vote for you, right?

I mean, I get that you want a solid base, but maybe this America First/American Bund schtick is not your best move for the coming century.
 
AdmirableSnackbar [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-01 8:38:38 AM  

hubiestubert: Good luck with that.

Y'all DO know that white folks are declining in the population, right? And not all white folks vote for you, right?

I mean, I get that you want a solid base, but maybe this America First/American Bund schtick is not your best move for the coming century.


That's why they're making it so that only white people can vote, and the scary part is that nobody in politics is forcefully standing up to them on that front.
 
NateAsbestos [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-01 8:50:11 AM  
Compete rout in 2022? They won the House. You can argue they "should" have done better, but they were not routed.
 
Farkonaut
2023-02-01 9:11:23 AM  

NateAsbestos: Compete rout in 2022? They won the House. You can argue they "should" have done better, but they were not routed.



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"unless it was total 100% win, it was a loss."

/Give your balls a tug.
 
SpaceMonkey-66 [TotalFark]
2023-02-01 9:15:59 AM  

hubiestubert: Good luck with that.

Y'all DO know that white folks are declining in the population, right? And not all white folks vote for you, right?

I mean, I get that you want a solid base, but maybe this America First/American Bund schtick is not your best move for the coming century.


No, I think they need to do more research by doubling down.  Science demands it.....
 
NateAsbestos [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-01 9:25:44 AM  

Farkonaut: NateAsbestos: Compete rout in 2022? They won the House. You can argue they "should" have done better, but they were not routed.


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"unless it was total 100% win, it was a loss."

/Give your balls a tug.


...are you high? I'm saying "winning half of Congress is not a rout" and I'm the one lacking nuance?
 
Irving Maimway [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-01 9:47:18 AM  
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koder [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-01 9:53:24 AM  
redouble their efforts to criminalize abortion.

Never interrupt your opponent when they're making a mistake.
 
Benevolent Misanthrope [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-01 9:58:09 AM  

NateAsbestos: Farkonaut: NateAsbestos: Compete rout in 2022? They won the House. You can argue they "should" have done better, but they were not routed.


[Fark user image image 131x151]

"unless it was total 100% win, it was a loss."

/Give your balls a tug.

...are you high? I'm saying "winning half of Congress is not a rout" and I'm the one lacking nuance?


Don't bother. He's a Pollyanna cultist. No matter what happens, he's going to tell you it's a win for Democrats and you need to stop that negative talk.

That said, the rest of us who still have a grasp on reality need to get active in our local politics and campaign for our folks. The general f*ckery they've been up to regarding gerrymandering and voter suppression make it harder every time.
 
koder [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-01 10:02:20 AM  

NateAsbestos: Compete rout in 2022? They won the House. You can argue they "should" have done better, but they were not routed.


They barely won a heavily gerrymandered House in a midterm year. And lost seats in the Senate.

Not trying to be a dick, but you need to do the assigned reading for the past 4 decades to fully understand the situation; "Cliff's notes" won't cut it, which is probably why conservatives are going down this path.
 
NateAsbestos [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-01 10:06:30 AM  

koder: They barely won


So, not a rout.

Yes, I already acknowledged they should have done better.
 
Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste
2023-02-01 10:14:40 AM  
It's not a bad strategy. They need to solidify their base, which this does. Trump got the V in 2016 because they were able to energize rarely or newly voting whites (who were incensed at Obama being a black dude). While it may seem like pandering to a relatively diminishing audience, the national election is swung by only tens of thousands of votes in swing states. They already have a massive advantage in the Senate, due to the mindless apportionment of Senators to empty space, and the House, much for the same reason. If they can get the right presidential candidate, it's just slivers of the electorate they need in certain places.

The other advantage is that our munificent media normalizes anything traumatic to minorities or women, and the American people generally follow.
 
JimmyTheHutt
2023-02-01 10:22:15 AM  
<LOOKS AT MTG ON HOMELAND SECURITY COMMITTEE>
<LOOKS AT 5 FLIPPED DISTRICTS IN NY>
<LOOKS AT FL>

Complete rout, you say?
 
Weaver95
2023-02-01 10:22:42 AM  
Oh look that thing I said was going to happen has happened.
 
mistahtom
2023-02-01 10:23:37 AM  
The GOP doesn't need the presidency until 2029. They can groom the country using whatever chamber of Congress they can steal until then.

That's how much power they wield thanks to have 6 SCOTUS members.
 
Weaver95
2023-02-01 10:23:44 AM  

NateAsbestos: Compete rout in 2022? They won the House. You can argue they "should" have done better, but they were not routed.


4 weeks ago the entire GOP was tearing themselves apart over who got to be speaker.

Does that sound like a party that's "in control"?
 
Walker [TotalFark]
2023-02-01 10:24:07 AM  
What if we just dig deeper?
 
1funguy
2023-02-01 10:25:08 AM  
Say it loud enough, often enough, that even YOUbelieve it.
 
BitwiseShift
2023-02-01 10:25:18 AM  
Just hope your bankers are more forgiving than the voters.

Just kidding.  The people in Gerrymandered districts have your money for campaigning.  You'll have to earn it.
 
Irresponsible Homeowner
2023-02-01 10:25:32 AM  
IIRC it was the Gen-Z vote that tipped the scales, so this is the point where everybody who cares about democracy (read: Democrats) should be kissing the ass of your local Gen-Z'er and asking what it'll take to make even more of them go out and vote this time.
 
Weaver95
2023-02-01 10:26:35 AM  
I'll just leave this here.

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mistahtom
2023-02-01 10:26:43 AM  

Weaver95: NateAsbestos: Compete rout in 2022? They won the House. You can argue they "should" have done better, but they were not routed.

4 weeks ago the entire GOP was tearing themselves apart over who got to be speaker.

Does that sound like a party that's "in control"?


How long have you been on Fark?

I can't believe you'd type a response that dull.

You must be trolling.
 
silo123j [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-01 10:26:45 AM  

Walker: What if we just dig deeper?


Dig UP!
 
monsatano [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-01 10:29:22 AM  

Weaver95: I'll just leave this here.

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They can go ahead and keep wanting, because that would take a constitutional amendment
 
Weaver95
2023-02-01 10:31:39 AM  

monsatano: Weaver95: I'll just leave this here.

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They can go ahead and keep wanting, because that would take a constitutional amendment


But you see the problem, right? Republicans are all over the map. There's no coherent narrative, nobody is in charge and Republicans are attacking each other with the same level of vindictive spite as they do the Dems.
 
hereinNC
2023-02-01 10:32:00 AM  
The GOP elders seem to forget that they will die off before they can convert the younger generations to their backwards old ways.
 
2wolves [TotalFark]
2023-02-01 10:35:12 AM  
"We've investigated our master plan and found we're blameless, it's the Liberals who are wrong."
 
bighairyguy [TotalFark]
2023-02-01 10:35:24 AM  

OdradekRex: No, it's the voters who are wrong.


Make sure you bludgeon them with ads telling them how stupid they were last time.  They'll eventually get the message.
 
mcmnky
2023-02-01 10:35:38 AM  

Farkonaut: NateAsbestos: Compete rout in 2022? They won the House. You can argue they "should" have done better, but they were not routed.


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"unless it was total 100% win, it was a loss."

/Give your balls a tug.


You have it backwards. It's the headline that's saying, unless it was total 100% win then the GOP was routed.

Also, doubling down on a losing strategy after 2008 and 2012 worked out for them in 2016. And pretty well, I'd say. If you don't think trading 2 yr House seats or 4 yr president terms for lifetime federal judge appointments is good strategy, then you really are playing checkers while they play chess.
 
Night Train to Wakanda
2023-02-01 10:36:06 AM  

Farkonaut: NateAsbestos: Compete rout in 2022? They won the House. You can argue they "should" have done better, but they were not routed.


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"unless it was total 100% win, it was a loss."

/Give your balls a tug.


"It wasn't a total victory! Just mostly one."
Slap your nuts first before telling anyone else what to do with theirs.

Reminder: More people voted for Trump in 2020 than 2016.

Stifle a few states, purge some voter roles, weaken voting rights protections. And have the GOP control the state elections with final approvals. And whoops... there goes a majority.
 
Serious Black
2023-02-01 10:36:08 AM  

monsatano: Weaver95: I'll just leave this here.

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They can go ahead and keep wanting, because that would take a constitutional amendment


SCOTUS has already refused to recognize the Fifteenth Amendment empowers laws like the Voting Rights Act which try to protect Black people's right to vote. What makes you think SCOTUS will recognize the Twenty-Sixth Amendment bars laws that prevent people older than 18 from voting?
 
The Lone Gunman
2023-02-01 10:36:12 AM  
The hilarious part isn't just watching them refuse to admit when they're wrong. It's refusing to admit that they have ever been wrong.
 
Mrtraveler01
2023-02-01 10:36:21 AM  
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New Rising Sun
2023-02-01 10:36:22 AM  
Lol

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"Welcome to the RNC meeting and Gallagher show"
 
cloverock70
2023-02-01 10:37:33 AM  

Weaver95: monsatano: Weaver95: I'll just leave this here.

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They can go ahead and keep wanting, because that would take a constitutional amendment

But you see the problem, right? Republicans are all over the map. There's no coherent narrative, nobody is in charge and Republicans are attacking each other with the same level of vindictive spite as they do the Dems.


Jesus. Every farking thread.
 
Rapmaster2000
2023-02-01 10:38:05 AM  
Rout shmout.  It's semantics.

Republicans massively underperformed to their own expectations and in relation to historical precedent.  Since World War II, the President's party has lost an average of 26 seats in the House, and an average of four seats in the Senate.  Biden lost 9 in the house and gained 1 in the Senate.

That's the best since GW in 2002 riding high on 9/11.  It's the 4th best since 1934.  It puts him behind JFK in 1962, Clinton in 1998, and GW in 2002.  Those presidents were riding high on economic gains or war footings.  Biden had a supposedly lousy economy and high single digit inflation.

Piss and moan all you want, but the Democrats killed it, and they didn't even have to promise you your $2,000 check.
 
Blink
2023-02-01 10:38:22 AM  
This is kinda the bread and butter strategy for conservatives.  Say something stupid -- if people don't believe it, say it again, just louder.  Keep doing this until people believe it.

And sadly, it works for the most part.  People believe stupid shiat if they've heard it enough.

Not once in my entire lifetime have I witnessed a "fiscally responsible" Republican President.  Yet, somehow, they keep shouting at people that they are -- and somehow, they get to keep the reputation.  Same with the "party of Family Values" crap.  Find me an uncle raping his niece (or nephew), and I can pretty much guaranteed you've got yourself a hardcore conservative.
 
bigdog1960
2023-02-01 10:39:05 AM  
Please proceed. It's our only hope.
 
Serious Black
2023-02-01 10:39:07 AM  

mcmnky: Farkonaut: NateAsbestos: Compete rout in 2022? They won the House. You can argue they "should" have done better, but they were not routed.


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"unless it was total 100% win, it was a loss."

/Give your balls a tug.

You have it backwards. It's the headline that's saying, unless it was total 100% win then the GOP was routed.

Also, doubling down on a losing strategy after 2008 and 2012 worked out for them in 2016. And pretty well, I'd say. If you don't think trading 2 yr House seats or 4 yr president terms for lifetime federal judge appointments is good strategy, then you really are playing checkers while they play chess.


Picking TFG as their nominee wasn't doubling down on a losing strategy. Picking Jeb Bush would have been doubling down on Mitt Romney and John McCain. Picking TFG was a Hail Mary bet borne of desperation and the seething desire of large portions of the GQP base to punish political adversaries which unexpectedly paid off.
 
bronskrat
2023-02-01 10:39:12 AM  
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Tarl3k
2023-02-01 10:39:25 AM  

Irresponsible Homeowner: IIRC it was the Gen-Z vote that tipped the scales, so this is the point where everybody who cares about democracy (read: Democrats) should be kissing the ass of your local Gen-Z'er and asking what it'll take to make even more of them go out and vote this time.


That would be the ability to vote by mail, which is exactly why Republicans are fighting tooth and nail to prevent anybody from doing that.  2020 proved that when more people vote, Democrats win...and that terrifies Republicans to their core.  If we passed nationwide voting by mail like Colorado and Oregon have, Republicans would never win another election.
 
Weaver95
2023-02-01 10:40:12 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Piss and moan all you want, but the Democrats killed it, and they didn't even have to promise you your $2,000 check.


Not only that, but the Democratic party has been weirdly unified and disciplined lately. Not one of them broke ranks to help the GOP elect a speaker.

15 votes and all the Dems held firm.  If I were the GOP I'd be terrified right now.
 
Mrtraveler01
2023-02-01 10:40:48 AM  
In 2022, Pennsylvania elected a Democrat for governor and US Senate. In addition the Democrats didn't lose any US House seats and ended the GOP's majority in the State House.

This was because of the repeal of Roe. Mastriano wanted to do exactly what the GOP platform suggests and it went over like a lead balloon in what was practically the ultimate swing state in 2022. I don't think the GOP doubling down on what cost them the election here in 2022 is going to win over the voters in the Philly suburbs that they need.
 
Subtonic
2023-02-01 10:40:50 AM  

hereinNC: The GOP elders seem to forget that they will die off before they can convert the younger generations to their backwards old ways.


Just the popular and age old talking point that all the racists will soon die off, it ignores the fact that there are a shiat ton of young incel right wingers coming out of the woodwork to replace them.
 
houginator
2023-02-01 10:40:56 AM  
The fundamental problem of American politics:

Dems could win every blue leaning (WI, MI, PA, and NV) and toss up (MT, AZ, OH) senate seat, and still lose the Senate in 2024.  Best bet for a red leaning state runs through WV, and that really only has a snowball's chance in hell of happening if Manchin runs again.  Otherwise you need to pick up a seat in FL or TX.

https://www.270towin.com/2024-senate-election/

Any change to how Senate seats are distributed requires at minimum a majority in the Senate (adding new states being the easiest route).

So the GOP can get away with running sub-optimal strategies, and still wind up with enough power to veto actions the democrats take even when they do everything right.
 
Dr Dreidel
2023-02-01 10:41:11 AM  

mistahtom: The GOP doesn't need the presidency until 2029. They can groom the country using whatever chamber of Congress they can steal until then.

That's how much power they wield thanks to have 6 SCOTUS members.


Yeah, really. Remember how we were all gleefully writing the Republican Party's epitaph around 2008-9, when conservatives had so farked the pooch that they got routed in the 2006 midterms and then lost the Presidency two years later to a Black man named Barak HUSSEIN Obama?

Remind me what happened the following year/midterm cycle ...?

Republicans won enough in 2022 that they can lay low for the next two years and find some new shiny to dangle in front of voters - critical race theory, defunding the police, trans kids existing, the old "WE'RE IN TOO MUCH DEBT" hand-wringing; there are MANY options - just in time to win enough in 2024 that voters forget how much we hate Republicans actually running things.

// oh, they needed 15 tries to elect a Speaker?
// I'm sure the crop of newly-18 year old voters living in WV or IA or (name some other conservative breeding ground) will call that to mind when they get sealed into the voting cubicle in 2024 and choose their candidates not based on the fear that a trans kid in New York can compete in the shotput
 
rudemix [OhFark]
2023-02-01 10:41:16 AM  
In the moments since dropping in to fark to see what's new since last checking in last night there is the following about the GOP:

Doubling down on abortion, wanting menstrual info in Florida, Texas and their power issues, trump lawyer literally arguing in court that there is no such thing as the trump org, colleges being taken over by conservatives, Potential ban on college diversity and inclusion programs.

JFC these people are a toxic cancer on this nation. Working steadily to undo years of advances across the spectrum. An actual minority of people somehow have their hands on the levers undoing the thinks a majority of the people want. Is it the curse of the nation to fight the same battles over and over again each generation and never really make progress. Conservatives and trump are the absolute worst.
 
Weaver95
2023-02-01 10:41:56 AM  

Mrtraveler01: In 2022, Pennsylvania elected a Democrat for governor and US Senate. In addition the Democrats didn't lose any US House seats and ended the GOP's majority in the State House.

This was because of the repeal of Roe. Mastriano wanted to do exactly what the GOP platform suggests and it went over like a lead balloon in what was practically the ultimate swing state in 2022. I don't think the GOP doubling down on what cost them the election here in 2022 is going to win over the voters in the Philly suburbs that they need.


Mastriano has also been a vindictive spiteful asshole on social media platforms. He really didn't like losing that election and has not taken it well.
 
Tranquil Hegemony [BareFark]
2023-02-01 10:42:47 AM  

Subtonic: hereinNC: The GOP elders seem to forget that they will die off before they can convert the younger generations to their backwards old ways.

Just the popular and age old talking point that all the racists will soon die off, it ignores the fact that there are a shiat ton of young incel right wingers coming out of the woodwork to replace them.


At least the vast majority of those will never procreate.
 
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