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2023-02-01 6:40:58 AM  
This guy already has prosecutors
 
2023-02-01 6:59:20 AM  
I sincerely hope he suffers the full weight of the law, just like I hope for Trump.
 
2023-02-01 8:08:49 AM  
I'm beginning to suspect that we as a country need to reevaluate how we handle the shhhhhhh papers.

There might be room for improvement.
 
2023-02-01 8:16:17 AM  

namegoeshere: I'm beginning to suspect that we as a country need to reevaluate how we handle the shhhhhhh papers.

There might be room for improvement.


Like I've said before.. I've seen it before over the years... when I was much younger, when I was in the service, and when I was out of the service. I never suspected any of them were trying to sell the sh*t or whatever so I didn't care. But it does happen. At certain levels, like high ranking military officers, special forces, contractors and stuff... they trust that you understand there are penalties for doing the wrong thing...

But... the motto in a lot of those places is to just do whatever the f*ck you want until you get caught... Then "Oh my god I had no idea?! DID I? I'm so sorry that was an accident!"

But in 99.99999999% of those instances they don't do what Trump did and fight to keep it. They all know they are f*cked and have to grovel, apologize, and beg for forgiveness. Or, their supervisor or whatever helps them cover it up because everyone could be in trouble.

If they keep digging, they'll find a lot more of it. But, for the most part, there's no real threat. The problem is it does leave a lot of room for those who want to do bad things to do them. And we have seen that over the years. That is why they make such a gigantic case about the ones they catch. Usually.

It is an issue and should be addressed. But it's a lot bigger problem than anyone really wants to drill into.
 
2023-02-01 9:47:01 AM  

NewportBarGuy: namegoeshere: I'm beginning to suspect that we as a country need to reevaluate how we handle the shhhhhhh papers.

There might be room for improvement.

Like I've said before.. I've seen it before over the years... when I was much younger, when I was in the service, and when I was out of the service. I never suspected any of them were trying to sell the sh*t or whatever so I didn't care. But it does happen. At certain levels, like high ranking military officers, special forces, contractors and stuff... they trust that you understand there are penalties for doing the wrong thing...

But... the motto in a lot of those places is to just do whatever the f*ck you want until you get caught... Then "Oh my god I had no idea?! DID I? I'm so sorry that was an accident!"

But in 99.99999999% of those instances they don't do what Trump did and fight to keep it. They all know they are f*cked and have to grovel, apologize, and beg for forgiveness. Or, their supervisor or whatever helps them cover it up because everyone could be in trouble.

If they keep digging, they'll find a lot more of it. But, for the most part, there's no real threat. The problem is it does leave a lot of room for those who want to do bad things to do them. And we have seen that over the years. That is why they make such a gigantic case about the ones they catch. Usually.

It is an issue and should be addressed. But it's a lot bigger problem than anyone really wants to drill into.


Oh, I say, drill, baby, drill
 
2023-02-01 10:54:19 AM  
At this point it's obvious that the DOJ and intelligence agencies are protecting Trump. The question is why. Are they part of the hostile takeover, because authoritarians just can't help themselves? Or have they been facilitating his crimes for so long that any light shed would expose them as accessories?
 
2023-02-01 11:23:10 AM  
Just prosecute Trump ffs.
 
2023-02-01 11:27:20 AM  
Again, all of this demonstrates that all of this "top secret" shiat and the rules surrounding it are a joke and the people that have access to it know it. Wink and a nod, "professional courtesy" and white skin beat out all levels of classification.

Nobody has been watching the store for years apparently. It was only when someone so comically greedy and corrupt like trump realized he could just take whatever he wanted that they had to do something about it. So now everyone that was flying under that radar is farked. It's the rare case where the dumbest kid in the class ruined the curve.
 
2023-02-01 11:27:42 AM  
I need to know the colonel's political leanings/affiliations before I can decide whether or not to be outraged.
 
2023-02-01 11:28:26 AM  
Hey guys, I found some classified docs behind a six-year old bag of frozen broccoli in my freezer. My bad. Anybody have the number for NSA?
 
2023-02-01 11:28:33 AM  
Oh look we can compare apples and oranges
 
2023-02-01 11:28:58 AM  
Also, this article is about an Air Force colonel, not Trump.  There seems to be some confusion on this point.
 
2023-02-01 11:29:24 AM  
So it's like just anybody can walk off with top secret stuff and it's no big deal? Is there no accounting system to keep track of where the documents are? Hell, even the elementary school library has a very effective way to know who has one of their books.
 
2023-02-01 11:30:06 AM  
Birchum? I hardly knew 'um!
 
2023-02-01 11:30:43 AM  
When I had yearly security briefings they warned that if they found classified material in your home "you are a spy". Unless it is proved otherwise. If the investigator feels nasty, they will take everything from your home for supposedly detailed inspection. But that only applies to little people. A lt. Col is still little people.
 
2023-02-01 11:31:45 AM  
He has one of two defenses - either declare candicacy for office, or state that he kept them to salve his ego after leaving the service.  Good news for him - both approaches seem to be working for TFG.
 
2023-02-01 11:33:06 AM  

NewportBarGuy: namegoeshere: I'm beginning to suspect that we as a country need to reevaluate how we handle the shhhhhhh papers.

There might be room for improvement.

Like I've said before.. I've seen it before over the years... when I was much younger, when I was in the service, and when I was out of the service. I never suspected any of them were trying to sell the sh*t or whatever so I didn't care. But it does happen. At certain levels, like high ranking military officers, special forces, contractors and stuff... they trust that you understand there are penalties for doing the wrong thing...

But... the motto in a lot of those places is to just do whatever the f*ck you want until you get caught... Then "Oh my god I had no idea?! DID I? I'm so sorry that was an accident!"

But in 99.99999999% of those instances they don't do what Trump did and fight to keep it. They all know they are f*cked and have to grovel, apologize, and beg for forgiveness. Or, their supervisor or whatever helps them cover it up because everyone could be in trouble.

If they keep digging, they'll find a lot more of it. But, for the most part, there's no real threat. The problem is it does leave a lot of room for those who want to do bad things to do them. And we have seen that over the years. That is why they make such a gigantic case about the ones they catch. Usually.

It is an issue and should be addressed. But it's a lot bigger problem than anyone really wants to drill into.


Would you or other servicemembers care to speculate on what possible legitimate reason there is for holding on to these kinds of papers?
 
2023-02-01 11:35:11 AM  
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when this guy got a slap on the wrist the precedent was set for "important" people
 
2023-02-01 11:38:43 AM  

Pharmdawg: NewportBarGuy: namegoeshere: I'm beginning to suspect that we as a country need to reevaluate how we handle the shhhhhhh papers.

There might be room for improvement.

Like I've said before.. I've seen it before over the years... when I was much younger, when I was in the service, and when I was out of the service. I never suspected any of them were trying to sell the sh*t or whatever so I didn't care. But it does happen. At certain levels, like high ranking military officers, special forces, contractors and stuff... they trust that you understand there are penalties for doing the wrong thing...

But... the motto in a lot of those places is to just do whatever the f*ck you want until you get caught... Then "Oh my god I had no idea?! DID I? I'm so sorry that was an accident!"

But in 99.99999999% of those instances they don't do what Trump did and fight to keep it. They all know they are f*cked and have to grovel, apologize, and beg for forgiveness. Or, their supervisor or whatever helps them cover it up because everyone could be in trouble.

If they keep digging, they'll find a lot more of it. But, for the most part, there's no real threat. The problem is it does leave a lot of room for those who want to do bad things to do them. And we have seen that over the years. That is why they make such a gigantic case about the ones they catch. Usually.

It is an issue and should be addressed. But it's a lot bigger problem than anyone really wants to drill into.

Would you or other servicemembers care to speculate on what possible legitimate reason there is for holding on to these kinds of papers?


Possible uses for secret documents:
Wallpaper
Floor tile
Light reading before bed
Memories of "good times"
Hold in front of window and checking for leaks
Cat litter / bird tray liners
Toilet paper

Just to name a few.
 
2023-02-01 11:39:22 AM  
Unlike Donald Trump, an air force colonel can't declassify items with the POWER OF HIS MIND
 
2023-02-01 11:40:30 AM  
Thirty years ago, the military Karen would say, "R H I P" -- Rank Has Its Privileges.  I have no reason to believe no one says that anymore.  I used to piss off those folks by saying, "Yes, rank has its problems".
 
2023-02-01 11:41:01 AM  
DNRTFA - did he still do work in a related field?

I see 'retired', in the context of service nominally 'to the country',I only infer from the military.  Plenty of veterans have jobs in clearance-requiring fields who are working, and eventually retire from those careers too.

/used to work at such a job
//supporting people trying to un-boon a certain doggle
///you'd think that an ex-officer (forgot rank) wouldn't vew porn on a company asset...
 
2023-02-01 11:41:36 AM  
This case has been ongoing since Jan. 2017.
But many farkers have repeatedly assured us all that anyone but TFG would have been hauled off an toss in jail immediately. Repeatedly. Assuredly. I'm telling you, they were completely convinced.
 
2023-02-01 11:41:38 AM  

JerkStore: So it's like just anybody can walk off with top secret stuff and it's no big deal? Is there no accounting system to keep track of where the documents are? Hell, even the elementary school library has a very effective way to know who has one of their books.


There is, and usually the military follows it quite well.

Usually.

As for the politicians? That's another story.

If they did investigations of the congressional intelligence committees I'm fairly certain there wouldn't be one member who wasn't in violation of the standard procedures somehow.
 
2023-02-01 11:42:02 AM  

Squid_for_Brains: At this point it's obvious that the DOJ and intelligence agencies are protecting Trump. The question is why. Are they part of the hostile takeover, because authoritarians just can't help themselves? Or have they been facilitating his crimes for so long that any light shed would expose them as accessories?


Username checks out.
 
2023-02-01 11:42:13 AM  
FTFA:Prosecutors said in a filing that Birchum "abused a position of public trust and used a special skill in a manner that significantly facilitated the commission and concealment of the offense."

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2023-02-01 11:44:15 AM  
He likely wanted to sell it to the Russians or Chinese but couldn't figure out how to do so without being murdered by them or arrested by the US.
 
2023-02-01 11:46:39 AM  

JerkStore: So it's like just anybody can walk off with top secret stuff and it's no big deal? Is there no accounting system to keep track of where the documents are? Hell, even the elementary school library has a very effective way to know who has one of their books.


You just asked if it was possible to keep track of every piece of paper in one of the largest bureocracies in the world. The answer is, and always has been, no.

Any system capable of handling it all would be so cumbersome as to interfere with anyone actually doing anything with the data.
 
2023-02-01 11:49:03 AM  

Pharmdawg: NewportBarGuy: namegoeshere: I'm beginning to suspect that we as a country need to reevaluate how we handle the shhhhhhh papers.

There might be room for improvement.

Like I've said before.. I've seen it before over the years... when I was much younger, when I was in the service, and when I was out of the service. I never suspected any of them were trying to sell the sh*t or whatever so I didn't care. But it does happen. At certain levels, like high ranking military officers, special forces, contractors and stuff... they trust that you understand there are penalties for doing the wrong thing...

But... the motto in a lot of those places is to just do whatever the f*ck you want until you get caught... Then "Oh my god I had no idea?! DID I? I'm so sorry that was an accident!"

But in 99.99999999% of those instances they don't do what Trump did and fight to keep it. They all know they are f*cked and have to grovel, apologize, and beg for forgiveness. Or, their supervisor or whatever helps them cover it up because everyone could be in trouble.

If they keep digging, they'll find a lot more of it. But, for the most part, there's no real threat. The problem is it does leave a lot of room for those who want to do bad things to do them. And we have seen that over the years. That is why they make such a gigantic case about the ones they catch. Usually.

It is an issue and should be addressed. But it's a lot bigger problem than anyone really wants to drill into.

Would you or other servicemembers care to speculate on what possible legitimate reason there is for holding on to these kinds of papers?


Legitimate reason?

No, there is no such thing. The documents belong to the government, they should have not left the SCIF, and he should have returned them and reported the spillage when it happened.

Illegitimate reasons?

Probably fear and a hope that no one would notice. Can't destroy them because if someone does ask you have to be able to prove you destroyed them in an appropriate manner and that turns the entire thing into a conspiracy because destruction requires at least three people. Can't sell them because that's all sorts of criminal, and likely doesn't have the connections to do so in a manner that won't be found out (or an CID/CI/FBI type agent). So the documents get sat on while they try to convince themselves they will return the documents tomorrow.

Only other thought is they worked on a given topic or subject and are proud of their work and want a copy for posterity. Which again is crap. You can submit FOIA requests like anyone else, or ask to have scrubbed versions released via editing review.

There is not a legitimate reason he should still have those documents though.
 
2023-02-01 11:50:51 AM  
I should double check grandad's footlocker for anything marked Top Secret.
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I see a lot that makes me cringe, but no secrets. He told me stories about his training to carry nukes in B-52s, but it was mostly how they had to leave their notes locked up in the care of the DOE.
 
2023-02-01 11:53:39 AM  

JerkStore: So it's like just anybody can walk off with top secret stuff and it's no big deal? Is there no accounting system to keep track of where the documents are? Hell, even the elementary school library has a very effective way to know who has one of their books.


That's an interesting question.  Elementary has a pretty elementary problem space in comparison so we can't really compare to that.  Would have to be something much bigger and distributed like the complete public library system--possibly spanning networks because there's private contractors and all that.

My guess is that they actually lose a lot of books and just have no idea where they went.  With modern computer systems they're clearly a whole lot better at it just like the FBI is much better at distributing information.  Go back many decades though and you're talking about individual, local computer systems that MIGHT be able to dial into something and communicate on an open wire (telnet instead of ssh for example).  Previous to that you have written logs and cards, which for an elementary school is fairly sufficient.  So tracking then was already pretty prone to human error and this isn't more than like 40 years ago for advanced, well funded users of technology and skill.

Further, previous to the ability to scan and email documents easily the usual way to make sure documents were not lost when needed, say by an investigative team in the field, would be to xerox (and previous to this ... not done or done by hand) and let people go with them with the understanding they'd be destroyed later.  So easy for any individual to keep.  You have the same problem now and additionally you have all sorts of computers that might have logged the transmission of the document--hopefully encrypted but email isn't by default.  See the Clinton email server nonsense.  Even if it's encrypted though, today's secure is tomorrow's open line.

It would seem that information really, REALLY wants to be free.  It's a super hard problem to ensure it's contained.  That's why any human involved that willingly becomes a point of failure in the process of securing that information is a willing threat to its containment.  It's an all too human problem and I hope those who put it upon themselves to be responsible for stuff like Top Secret documents take the responsibility more seriously in the future.  It'll be easier for them to with advancements in security like Zero Trust and the ability maybe of image recognition to see if someone is trying to photograph the screen--something that's relatively this last second in terms of the history of national security.
 
2023-02-01 11:55:05 AM  

Ty Webb: Hey guys, I found some classified docs behind a six-year old bag of frozen broccoli in my freezer. My bad. Anybody have the number for NSA?


It's OK.  They're already listening.
 
2023-02-01 11:55:58 AM  
Too much nonsense is stamped classified because the  bean counters are afraid of missing something important.
 
2023-02-01 11:57:44 AM  

JerkStore: So it's like just anybody can walk off with top secret stuff and it's no big deal? Is there no accounting system to keep track of where the documents are? Hell, even the elementary school library has a very effective way to know who has one of their books.


When I was in the US Army back in the eighties I remember having to fill out a log when you used the copy machine
 
2023-02-01 11:58:19 AM  

Squid_for_Brains: At this point it's obvious that the DOJ and intelligence agencies are protecting Trump. The question is why. Are they part of the hostile takeover, because authoritarians just can't help themselves? Or have they been facilitating his crimes for so long that any light shed would expose them as accessories?


probably the same reason Lindsey Graham bends the knee - there is kompromat on every. single. one. of them.
 
2023-02-01 11:58:41 AM  
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2023-02-01 12:01:28 PM  
How much do you have to fark up to not get full bird after 32 yrs?
 
2023-02-01 12:02:58 PM  
Hoo boy, anyone remember that thing a ways back about Hillary Clinton's emails?
 
2023-02-01 12:05:26 PM  

gameshowhost: How much do you have to fark up to not get full bird after 32 yrs?


Prior enlisted who only went officer at like 18 years maybe?
 
2023-02-01 12:08:14 PM  

Greil: gameshowhost: How much do you have to fark up to not get full bird after 32 yrs?

Prior enlisted who only went officer at like 18 years maybe?


Yeah possibly. He entered service at age 22 though so I figured he was straight out of college into officer training.
 
2023-02-01 12:17:23 PM  

gameshowhost: How much do you have to fark up to not get full bird after 32 yrs?


Low marks on properly handling classified material is an obvious guess.
 
2023-02-01 12:20:22 PM  

Nuclear Monk: gameshowhost: How much do you have to fark up to not get full bird after 32 yrs?

Low marks on properly handling classified material is an obvious guess.


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2023-02-01 12:23:12 PM  
Wake me up when he refuses to return them, then when he claims he returned them, he actually keeps a bunch of them.  Then, he claims that he telepathically declassified them...
 
2023-02-01 12:29:30 PM  
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You idiot!  SHRED them!  Or get some low-level broad to do it for you and then blame her.  Jeez.
 
2023-02-01 12:33:05 PM  

gameshowhost: How much do you have to fark up to not get full bird after 32 yrs?


Gomor or just pissed off a CO in his past and has a bad review. Terminal LTC is a thing.
 
2023-02-01 12:33:13 PM  

AirForceVet: I sincerely hope he suffers the full weight of the law, just like I hope for Trump.


LOL.

Garland's DOJ offers yet another sweetheart plea deal. The traitor admits to one mild count.

One.

Hundreds of documents, compromises national security...one count.

In conclusion, Merrick Garland delenda est.
 
2023-02-01 12:35:25 PM  

tekmo: AirForceVet: I sincerely hope he suffers the full weight of the law, just like I hope for Trump.

LOL.

Garland's DOJ offers yet another sweetheart plea deal. The traitor admits to one mild count.

One.

Hundreds of documents, compromises national security...one count.

In conclusion, Merrick Garland delenda est.


You people keep using that word...
 
2023-02-01 12:37:27 PM  

kindms: when [Petraeus] got a slap on the wrist the precedent was set for "important" people


See also, Sandy Berger.
 
2023-02-01 12:38:38 PM  

GoldSpider: You people keep using that word...


Oh please do fark off on all eight legs, lackwit.
 
2023-02-01 12:40:33 PM  
Well, it's a good thing that this isn't a crime if former presidents or vice presidents do it.....wait, he's an LTC?

There aren't enough exponents to describe how farked he is.
 
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