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(Yahoo)   Lebron James and the Lakers are frustrated with biased officiating. Let's see what a report of missed calls, non-calls and last minute calls reveals. *reads report* The Lakers get more favorable calls than all but one other NBA team   (sports.yahoo.com) divider line
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Tr0mBoNe [TotalFark]
2023-02-01 6:52:35 AM  
they feel they should be number 1
 
Snapper Carr
2023-02-01 6:58:41 AM  
Translation: "Now that I'm on the tail end of my career, I'm no longer getting 'superstar' calls"
 
GregInIndy
2023-02-01 7:17:14 AM  
My personal experience with elite/pro level athletes, albeit in a different minor sport, is that while usually good people & extremely skilled/knowledgeable about their sport they generally really aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer.

Academic/intellectual sacrifices get made. There're always exceptions, but that's the typical case.
 
natural316
2023-02-01 8:06:40 AM  

GregInIndy: My personal experience with elite/pro level athletes, albeit in a different minor sport, is that while usually good people & extremely skilled/knowledgeable about their sport they generally really aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer.

Academic/intellectual sacrifices get made. There're always exceptions, but that's the typical case.


I'll gladly trade that for their bank accounts any day of the week.

Oh no, I can't carry a conversation on 19th century British literature, oh well, guess I'll go for a ride in one of my 7 cars
 
Ethertap [TotalFark]
2023-02-01 8:24:27 AM  
Lebron James and the Lakers are frustrated with biased officiating. Let's see what a report of missed calls, non-calls and last minute calls reveals. *reads report* The Lakers get more favorable calls than all but one other NBA team.

And they still stink!
 
jook
2023-02-01 8:28:24 AM  
The Fakers and their mouth breathing fan base have been so accustomed to the league giving them every break that they view a fairly called game as biased against them.
 
IAmRight
2023-02-01 8:49:21 AM  
Christ, NBA fans are the worst. Is it hard to say that "Yep, that was a really, really, REALLY obvious missed call on the final play that gave the Celtics a chance to win, and the Lakers, who were the 13th seed but if you flip that game and one more recently that had a similar blown call, would be the 4th seed, are justifiably pissed"?

Instead everyone does the "what about" game.

The final two-minutes reports mix the obvious fouls like that with fouls that are rarely or never called (like whatever off-the-ball foul they're saying should've given the Celtics the ball for the final play).

We get it, Boston, you have a lot of writers and you hate LeBron because he kept beating your team in the playoffs AND he helped the Lakers tie you in overall championships. Get over yourselves with your whataboutism.

You got lucky on a win. It's OK.
 
Eddie Hazel's E string
2023-02-01 9:26:39 AM  

IAmRight: Christ, NBA fans are the worst. Is it hard to say that "Yep, that was a really, really, REALLY obvious missed call on the final play that gave the Celtics a chance to win, and the Lakers, who were the 13th seed but if you flip that game and one more recently that had a similar blown call, would be the 4th seed, are justifiably pissed"?

Instead everyone does the "what about" game.

The final two-minutes reports mix the obvious fouls like that with fouls that are rarely or never called (like whatever off-the-ball foul they're saying should've given the Celtics the ball for the final play).

We get it, Boston, you have a lot of writers and you hate LeBron because he kept beating your team in the playoffs AND he helped the Lakers tie you in overall championships. Get over yourselves with your whataboutism.

You got lucky on a win. It's OK.


Forget just the most recent blown calls. During his time in the league, LeBron has always been really animated in his complaints to the refs, which are frequent and dramatic. It's consistent, you watch a game and he does it several times.

I respect his game, but that tendency to visibly whine and complain + "I'm going to take my talents to South Beach" are reasons why I enjoy rooting against him.

Off the court, he comes across as likable and a decent person. As a player, LeBron is a fun villain to have around for those of us that like other teams.
 
Don't Troll Me Bro!
2023-02-01 9:37:16 AM  

IAmRight: Christ, NBA fans are the worst. .......


So, you've never stayed at a hotel while the college basketball playoffs had some games in the same city, I take it?  Cuz holy shiat, you want to see some raging dickhead behavior, college basketball fans are awful people.
 
BlazeTrailer
2023-02-01 10:02:11 AM  

Snapper Carr: Translation: "Now that I'm on the tail end of my career, I'm no longer getting 'superstar' calls"


Not quite. "I'm getting the superstar calls but as I agr I need even MORE than what I've always gotten"
 
sirrerun
2023-02-01 10:14:46 AM  
You're LeBron freaking James. Just make the freaking layup.
 
I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-01 10:20:46 AM  
That's why they're upset. There's one team that gets more favorable bias than them and that's unacceptable!
 
Jack Sabbath
2023-02-01 10:23:26 AM  

sirrerun: You're LeBron freaking James. Just make the freaking layup.


Didn't see the play, eh?  On that particular play against the Celtics, he was clearly hacked, preventing the layup.

Did the Lakers say they aren't getting calls specifically in the last two minutes of games?  That's all this "research" focused on.

As for Lebron, yeah, he gets hacked a lot and it isn't called, but he has almost 20 years of ludicrous flopping, so you kind of reap what you sow.

Just tweak the replay rules a little and this problem goes away somewhat.
 
FLMountainMan
2023-02-01 10:24:27 AM  
The guy who singlehandedly popularized flopping for non-Euro player can't get any calls anymore?  What is this league coming to?

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From his Heat days alone...  Top 10 funniest LeBron flops as a Heat player - NOTSportsCenter
 
grumpfuff
2023-02-01 10:56:19 AM  
99% of the time, when someone says "The refs are biased/bad/failing/etc" what they actually mean is "The refs made a call against the team I support"
 
Myk-House of El [BareFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-01 11:08:25 AM  
The top 3 teams getting favorable calls are not surprising.  And as a Nuggets fan who's seen Jokic getting mugged for years without whistles, seeing them near the bottom of that list surprises me not one bit.
 
iron_city_ap
2023-02-01 11:29:23 AM  
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APO_Buddha [TotalFark]
2023-02-01 11:55:34 AM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: IAmRight: Christ, NBA fans are the worst. .......

So, you've never stayed at a hotel while the college basketball playoffs had some games in the same city, I take it?  Cuz holy shiat, you want to see some raging dickhead behavior, college basketball fans are awful people.


But enough about Duke, North Carolina, and Michigan State fans...
 
buckeyebrain
2023-02-01 12:21:20 PM  
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puffy999 [TotalFark]
2023-02-01 12:51:17 PM  
If it were MeBron anywhere else I'd laugh.

MeBron, a member of the LOS ANGELES LAKERS, can shut the f*ck up.
 
pearls before swine
2023-02-01 12:51:51 PM  

Eddie Hazel's E string: Off the court, he comes across as likable and a decent person. As a player, LeBron is a fun villain to have around for those of us that like other teams.


I think that's the nature of a lot of top athletes.  Their competitiveness is kind of an overwhelming obsession.  They demand perfection and don't get it, and their refusal to accept that overwhelms their empathy and turns them temporarily into greedy sociopaths.  It drives them to win.

But when the competition ends, many of them turn back into chill, decent human beings.
 
redmid17
2023-02-01 1:52:41 PM  

grumpfuff: 99% of the time, when someone says "The refs are biased/bad/failing/etc" what they actually mean is "The refs made a call against the team I support"


Hard disagree. NBA reffing has been atrocious for years. MLB might actually be worse. FIFA has been amazingly slow to embrace basic improvements.

As much as this last weekend of games took the sheen off, the NFL and NHL* might actually be at the forefront here.

* I don't watch enough NHL to make a sweeping generalization but the 4-5 Hawks games I've watched this year and the few panthers game I bought tickets to seemed well done.
 
IAmRight
2023-02-01 2:38:39 PM  

Eddie Hazel's E string: IAmRight: Christ, NBA fans are the worst. Is it hard to say that "Yep, that was a really, really, REALLY obvious missed call on the final play that gave the Celtics a chance to win, and the Lakers, who were the 13th seed but if you flip that game and one more recently that had a similar blown call, would be the 4th seed, are justifiably pissed"?

Instead everyone does the "what about" game.

The final two-minutes reports mix the obvious fouls like that with fouls that are rarely or never called (like whatever off-the-ball foul they're saying should've given the Celtics the ball for the final play).

We get it, Boston, you have a lot of writers and you hate LeBron because he kept beating your team in the playoffs AND he helped the Lakers tie you in overall championships. Get over yourselves with your whataboutism.

You got lucky on a win. It's OK.

Forget just the most recent blown calls. During his time in the league, LeBron has always been really animated in his complaints to the refs, which are frequent and dramatic. It's consistent, you watch a game and he does it several times.

I respect his game, but that tendency to visibly whine and complain + "I'm going to take my talents to South Beach" are reasons why I enjoy rooting against him.

Off the court, he comes across as likable and a decent person. As a player, LeBron is a fun villain to have around for those of us that like other teams.


It was silly, for sure. But I can also understand that, as someone who is about his age, having busted your ass to get to that point, having not settled for a jumper, having it be so obvious a foul...seriously, ANOTHER five minutes? Like..."f*ck, i just made all those decisions so I WOULDN'T have to do the extra time".
 
grumpfuff
2023-02-01 2:57:45 PM  

redmid17: grumpfuff: 99% of the time, when someone says "The refs are biased/bad/failing/etc" what they actually mean is "The refs made a call against the team I support"

Hard disagree. NBA reffing has been atrocious for years. MLB might actually be worse. FIFA has been amazingly slow to embrace basic improvements.

As much as this last weekend of games took the sheen off, the NFL and NHL* might actually be at the forefront here.

* I don't watch enough NHL to make a sweeping generalization but the 4-5 Hawks games I've watched this year and the few panthers game I bought tickets to seemed well done.


I will admit, I can't comment on the NBA. FIFA I don't consider, they're obviously corrupt. But for the MLB, NFL, and NHL, I absolutely stand by what I've said.
 
sirrerun
2023-02-01 3:03:22 PM  

Jack Sabbath: sirrerun: You're LeBron freaking James. Just make the freaking layup.

Didn't see the play, eh?  On that particular play against the Celtics, he was clearly hacked, preventing the layup.

Did the Lakers say they aren't getting calls specifically in the last two minutes of games?  That's all this "research" focused on.

As for Lebron, yeah, he gets hacked a lot and it isn't called, but he has almost 20 years of ludicrous flopping, so you kind of reap what you sow.

Just tweak the replay rules a little and this problem goes away somewhat.


Yeah I saw the play, and I was pulling for the Lakers. But if you want to win the game on the final play of regulation, you need to play too make it, not go to the line.

That's old school baby!
 
redmid17
2023-02-01 3:28:06 PM  

grumpfuff: redmid17: grumpfuff: 99% of the time, when someone says "The refs are biased/bad/failing/etc" what they actually mean is "The refs made a call against the team I support"

Hard disagree. NBA reffing has been atrocious for years. MLB might actually be worse. FIFA has been amazingly slow to embrace basic improvements.

As much as this last weekend of games took the sheen off, the NFL and NHL* might actually be at the forefront here.

* I don't watch enough NHL to make a sweeping generalization but the 4-5 Hawks games I've watched this year and the few panthers game I bought tickets to seemed well done.

I will admit, I can't comment on the NBA. FIFA I don't consider, they're obviously corrupt. But for the MLB, NFL, and NHL, I absolutely stand by what I've said.


MLB umps are objectively awful, even ignoring the low hanging fruit like Joe West, Angel Hernandez, CB Bucknor, et al. We know exactly how bad they are because we see the public data compared against stuff like FX tracker. They're 10% less accurate at calling balls / strikes than a computer system that debuted in 2006/2007.
 
tigerbot hesh
2023-02-01 3:42:57 PM  

GregInIndy: My personal experience with elite/pro level athletes, albeit in a different minor sport, is that while usually good people & extremely skilled/knowledgeable about their sport they generally really aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer.

Academic/intellectual sacrifices get made. There're always exceptions, but that's the typical case.


The thing is, LeBron is acknowledged as a genius within the bounds of his expertise, and generally seems sharper than the average person.  Really bad hubris and tunnel vision though, like a lot of super-experts.  Has there ever been a player that forced more shiatty player and personnel decisions on his team before?  No perspective whatsoever.  And no matter how good your intentions, and no matter how good the outcomes are on your projects, stop legitimizing the charter school grift, you cock.
 
redmid17
2023-02-01 4:06:14 PM  

tigerbot hesh: GregInIndy: My personal experience with elite/pro level athletes, albeit in a different minor sport, is that while usually good people & extremely skilled/knowledgeable about their sport they generally really aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer.

Academic/intellectual sacrifices get made. There're always exceptions, but that's the typical case.

The thing is, LeBron is acknowledged as a genius within the bounds of his expertise, and generally seems sharper than the average person.  Really bad hubris and tunnel vision though, like a lot of super-experts.  Has there ever been a player that forced more shiatty player and personnel decisions on his team before? No perspective whatsoever.  And no matter how good your intentions, and no matter how good the outcomes are on your projects, stop legitimizing the charter school grift, you cock.


Probaby, given that his decisions as a player GM have landed him *checks notes* 4 titles versus the zero he got when he was relying on the front office to do most of the planning and heavy lifting.
 
T.rex
2023-02-01 4:59:29 PM  

Snapper Carr: Translation: "Now that I'm on the tail end of my career, I'm no longer getting 'superstar' calls"


Being hacked across the arms on a layup for the go-ahead basket ain't exactly a superstar call.    Jordan got calls when somebody breathed on him wrong.

People get mad that LeBron embelishes with flops, but if he didn't, he'd get zero calls a game despite being fouled on every trip to the basket.
 
Jack Sabbath
2023-02-01 5:52:25 PM  

sirrerun: Jack Sabbath: sirrerun: You're LeBron freaking James. Just make the freaking layup.

Didn't see the play, eh?  On that particular play against the Celtics, he was clearly hacked, preventing the layup.

Did the Lakers say they aren't getting calls specifically in the last two minutes of games?  That's all this "research" focused on.

As for Lebron, yeah, he gets hacked a lot and it isn't called, but he has almost 20 years of ludicrous flopping, so you kind of reap what you sow.

Just tweak the replay rules a little and this problem goes away somewhat.

Yeah I saw the play, and I was pulling for the Lakers. But if you want to win the game on the final play of regulation, you need to play too make it, not go to the line.

That's old school baby!


That's horseshiat baby!

He didn't get far enough in to dunk it, so he had to try to lay it up.

I don't care who you are, even the toughest guy who ever played the game, if you are trying to do a layup and a 6'8" 210 pound slab of almost zero body fat slaps you hard on the arm, you aren't making that shot.
 
Warrior Kermit
2023-02-02 5:52:50 AM  

redmid17: grumpfuff: 99% of the time, when someone says "The refs are biased/bad/failing/etc" what they actually mean is "The refs made a call against the team I support"

Hard disagree. NBA reffing has been atrocious for years. MLB might actually be worse. FIFA has been amazingly slow to embrace basic improvements.

As much as this last weekend of games took the sheen off, the NFL and NHL* might actually be at the forefront here.

* I don't watch enough NHL to make a sweeping generalization but the 4-5 Hawks games I've watched this year and the few panthers game I bought tickets to seemed well done.


other than the strike zone moving depending the ump which in fairness has pretty much always been part of the game, I recall before instant replay became a thing there was as study that the umps calls were like 98% accurate but in fairness I gave up on the MLB years ago after one of their many strike seasons
 
mjbok
2023-02-02 9:38:12 AM  

IAmRight: Christ, NBA fans are the worst. Is it hard to say that "Yep, that was a really, really, REALLY obvious missed call on the final play that gave the Celtics a chance to win, and the Lakers, who were the 13th seed but if you flip that game and one more recently that had a similar blown call, would be the 4th seed, are justifiably pissed"?


I don't understand how two games can take them from 13th to 4th.  Giving them two wins makes them 26-26, which would make them tied for 10th.
 
redmid17
2023-02-02 10:49:38 AM  

Warrior Kermit: redmid17: grumpfuff: 99% of the time, when someone says "The refs are biased/bad/failing/etc" what they actually mean is "The refs made a call against the team I support"

Hard disagree. NBA reffing has been atrocious for years. MLB might actually be worse. FIFA has been amazingly slow to embrace basic improvements.

As much as this last weekend of games took the sheen off, the NFL and NHL* might actually be at the forefront here.

* I don't watch enough NHL to make a sweeping generalization but the 4-5 Hawks games I've watched this year and the few panthers game I bought tickets to seemed well done.

other than the strike zone moving depending the ump which in fairness has pretty much always been part of the game, I recall before instant replay became a thing there was as study that the umps calls were like 98% accurate but in fairness I gave up on the MLB years ago after one of their many strike seasons


MLBs measurements are laughably lax:
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2022/05/mlb-umpires-angel-hernandez-grading-scale-system-strikes-scorecard

They're usually anything from 10-15% off on balls / strikes. It's been time now for more than a decade to switch to primarily robo umps at the plate.
 
Incog_Neeto
2023-02-02 1:01:48 PM  
He's taking a page out of the white nationalist playbook.    Just claim you're the one actually being oppressed no matter what the facts and research say.
 
grumpfuff
2023-02-02 2:29:05 PM  

redmid17: Warrior Kermit: redmid17: grumpfuff: 99% of the time, when someone says "The refs are biased/bad/failing/etc" what they actually mean is "The refs made a call against the team I support"

Hard disagree. NBA reffing has been atrocious for years. MLB might actually be worse. FIFA has been amazingly slow to embrace basic improvements.

As much as this last weekend of games took the sheen off, the NFL and NHL* might actually be at the forefront here.

* I don't watch enough NHL to make a sweeping generalization but the 4-5 Hawks games I've watched this year and the few panthers game I bought tickets to seemed well done.

other than the strike zone moving depending the ump which in fairness has pretty much always been part of the game, I recall before instant replay became a thing there was as study that the umps calls were like 98% accurate but in fairness I gave up on the MLB years ago after one of their many strike seasons

MLBs measurements are laughably lax:
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2022/05/mlb-umpires-angel-hernandez-grading-scale-system-strikes-scorecard

They're usually anything from 10-15% off on balls / strikes. It's been time now for more than a decade to switch to primarily robo umps at the plate.


The accuracy rating of ~98% was about all calls, not just balls/strikes. They are not objectively awful, robo umps just happen to be marginally better at one of the things they do.
 
redmid17
2023-02-02 2:58:20 PM  

grumpfuff: redmid17: Warrior Kermit: redmid17: grumpfuff: 99% of the time, when someone says "The refs are biased/bad/failing/etc" what they actually mean is "The refs made a call against the team I support"

Hard disagree. NBA reffing has been atrocious for years. MLB might actually be worse. FIFA has been amazingly slow to embrace basic improvements.

As much as this last weekend of games took the sheen off, the NFL and NHL* might actually be at the forefront here.

* I don't watch enough NHL to make a sweeping generalization but the 4-5 Hawks games I've watched this year and the few panthers game I bought tickets to seemed well done.

other than the strike zone moving depending the ump which in fairness has pretty much always been part of the game, I recall before instant replay became a thing there was as study that the umps calls were like 98% accurate but in fairness I gave up on the MLB years ago after one of their many strike seasons

MLBs measurements are laughably lax:
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2022/05/mlb-umpires-angel-hernandez-grading-scale-system-strikes-scorecard

They're usually anything from 10-15% off on balls / strikes. It's been time now for more than a decade to switch to primarily robo umps at the plate.

The accuracy rating of ~98% was about all calls, not just balls/strikes. They are not objectively awful, robo umps just happen to be marginally better at one of the things they do.


at least 95% of what umps do is call balls / strikes, so it's a perfectly valid comparison. And yes missing 10-15% of calls versus 99% is objectively awful. Hell the example given in the linked article had Hernandez striking out an entire innings worth of batters on inaccurate calls. 1/9 of the game was called incorrectly.
 
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