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(CNN)   The 2011 New START Treaty to control nuclear arms between the US and Russia may come to an END in 2026 if negotiations fail. While 2026 may seem far away, these types of talks take time. They shouldn't be completed with one big bang at the deadline   (cnn.com) divider line
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vudukungfu [TotalFark]
2023-01-31 10:47:49 PM  
Why negotiate with a crater?
 
bloobeary [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-31 10:56:41 PM  
Like russia honors treaties anymore.
 
tfresh [TotalFark]
2023-01-31 11:30:56 PM  

vudukungfu: Why negotiate with a crater?


Hopefully its not us who wind up being the crater. 

But if that's the case... I'm glad I'm in SF:

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Thealpharunt
2023-01-31 11:36:52 PM  
this is what the obvious tag was made for
 
DoctorCal
2023-01-31 11:37:50 PM  
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Unsung_Hero
2023-01-31 11:39:09 PM  
I think they'll need to let inspectors confirm they have at least one functional nuclear warhead-tipped ICBM before we worry about this.  Russia's done.

We should be more worried about what will happen to their nuclear materials (whether they remain capable of going 'boom' or not) after Russia falls apart.
 
The Dog Ate My Homework
2023-01-31 11:39:54 PM  
What really is the point of any treaty with russia? An arms race would just bankrupt them (again), so why stand in the way of that?
 
Erek the Red
2023-01-31 11:45:36 PM  

Unsung_Hero: I think they'll need to let inspectors confirm they have at least one functional nuclear warhead-tipped ICBM before we worry about this.  Russia's done.

We should be more worried about what will happen to their nuclear materials (whether they remain capable of going 'boom' or not) after Russia falls apart.


So you're saying that Russia maintained is nuclear arsenal like it maintained the rest of its army?

Because if so, some oligarch probably has a warhead in his living room as an end table.
 
king of vegas
2023-01-31 11:48:48 PM  

tfresh: vudukungfu: Why negotiate with a crater?

Hopefully its not us who wind up being the crater. 

But if that's the case... I'm glad I'm in SF:

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Craters on the other side of the world don't matter
 
Unsung_Hero
2023-01-31 11:48:52 PM  

Erek the Red: So you're saying that Russia maintained is nuclear arsenal like it maintained the rest of its army?


I think that if the prize for losing wasn't nuclear war, it would barely be a gamble.  Things far, far easier to run routine checks on were obviously subject to multiple levels of theft.
 
moothemagiccow
2023-01-31 11:49:58 PM  
Are they still doing missiles or do they have drone nukes? Because I think my neighbor can take down a drone with his shotgun
 
Weatherkiss [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-31 11:53:25 PM  
It's a good thing there's no important election before 2026 which might decide who will be doing the negotiating on America's behalf.
 
RustyShock
2023-01-31 11:55:05 PM  
It's the Fark Defeatist ™'s wet dream. The end of all life on Earth.
 
Ishkur [OhFark]
2023-02-01 12:01:22 AM  
It's not likely that any Russian nukes will be viable after that date anyway.

To say nothing of Russia itself.
 
Unsung_Hero
2023-02-01 12:02:54 AM  

RustyShock: It's the Fark Defeatist ™'s wet dream. The end of all life on Earth.


That's inevitable, it's a matter of when, not if.  Though I expect I won't be able to wait around for the ~700 million years it'll take the Sun to bake this rock sterile.
 
monsatano [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-01 12:09:07 AM  

Weatherkiss: It's a good thing there's no important election before 2026 which might decide who will be doing the negotiating on America's behalf.


No worries - President Trump will negotiate the boarders of eastern Germany so that they are favorable to Berlin
 
fragMasterFlash [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-01 12:13:51 AM  
Who in Russia could sign that agreement that has any sort of credibility? Seriously, there is no point in wasting good ink to acquire the signature of gangster thugs with zero respect for the sovereignty of independent nations. Park a shiattonne of nukes on as many of their borders as possible and let them know they will become dust if they so much as waggle their dicks angrily at an allied nation. They may currently have nuclear submarines, but those won't last forever, and the current batch of mafioso running that shiathole will long since be dead before they have the capability to build more.
 
RustyShock
2023-02-01 12:16:26 AM  

Unsung_Hero: RustyShock: It's the Fark Defeatist ™'s wet dream. The end of all life on Earth.

That's inevitable, it's a matter of when, not if.  Though I expect I won't be able to wait around for the ~700 million years it'll take the Sun to bake this rock sterile.


But Unhung_Sero, why wait for the sun to burn out? Let's make it happen now!!!
 
NotARocketScientist
2023-02-01 12:39:12 AM  
Will Russia still be a country in 3 years?

What's the point of negotiating with the people in charge now, if they won't be in charge in 3 years? The new people might not honor it, and will probably want different things.
 
qorkfiend
2023-02-01 12:43:13 AM  

NotARocketScientist: Will Russia still be a country in 3 years?

What's the point of negotiating with the people in charge now, if they won't be in charge in 3 years? The new people might not honor it, and will probably want different things.


Because you can't see the future and can't assume this outcome
 
LurkerSupreme [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-01 12:44:54 AM  

Unsung_Hero: RustyShock: It's the Fark Defeatist ™'s wet dream. The end of all life on Earth.

That's inevitable, it's a matter of when, not if.  Though I expect I won't be able to wait around for the ~700 million years it'll take the Sun to bake this rock sterile.


Not with that attitude you won't.
 
Quick and Dirty [OhFark]
2023-02-01 12:48:28 AM  

monsatano: Weatherkiss: It's a good thing there's no important election before 2026 which might decide who will be doing the negotiating on America's behalf.

No worries - President Trump will negotiate the boarders of eastern Germany so that they are favorable to Berlin


Eastern Germany, you say? I'm as happy as a little girl:

Sprockets: Would you like to touch my monkey?
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monsatano [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-01 1:06:56 AM  

Quick and Dirty: monsatano: Weatherkiss: It's a good thing there's no important election before 2026 which might decide who will be doing the negotiating on America's behalf.

No worries - President Trump will negotiate the boarders of eastern Germany so that they are favorable to Berlin

Eastern Germany, you say? I'm as happy as a little girl:

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Trump will build that wall and make Germany Poland Russia Canada no one pay for it
 
leeksfromchichis [TotalFark]
2023-02-01 1:15:39 AM  

king of vegas: tfresh: vudukungfu: Why negotiate with a crater?

Hopefully its not us who wind up being the crater. 

But if that's the case... I'm glad I'm in SF:

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Craters on the other side of the world don't matter


Most of humanity is basically downwind of those craters, if I'm reading this right. gonna blow right into the high pressure zone and scatter all of Asia.
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Let's not get all Dr Strangelove just yet.
 
Kumana Wanalaia
2023-02-01 1:16:46 AM  
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rosebud_the_sled
2023-02-01 1:52:09 AM  
The thing about playing a game with thinking people, if any player gets too far behind, they become the f-factor. Their negotiating position is "If you don't deal with me, I'll screw you up so you can't win against the other guy."

Russia is too far behind and they realize it, so they're playing the f-factor. They realize they are negotiating from a position of weakness, but not so weak that they can't keep the #1 country from winning. Because of their own fault, they have dropped to a losing position compared to all the other players, but they have nukes, so they can play the f-factor card.

Playing the game properly, America needs to bring them back to the China level, but not beyond. If the #2 people are jockeying for #2, the #1 does not have to be concerned. The problem with US policy is that it constantly works toward full dominance rather than a nuanced "keep as many at #2 as possible" policy. If #1 is within reach, they will continue stretching out, but it always needs to be out of reach.

For Russia right now, knows it is sucking hind tit. Another county needs to be brought forward (India). Russia seems like the best choice, because they are insecure. Ignore what they say and do and look at how it leverages the US are the #1.

Yes, I know that all the lesser Trump supporters present all sorts of stupidity, but intelligent people need to think past their veil of wrong answers.
 
Be polite walk on the right
2023-02-01 2:05:16 AM  

vudukungfu: Why negotiate with a crater?


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/what crater
 
AmbassadorBooze
2023-02-01 2:53:31 AM  
Have the new treaty signed at a ceremony on the rim of Moscow crater.  In Putin's blood or his offsprings blood.  Provided voluntarily, of course.
 
AmbassadorBooze
2023-02-01 2:58:20 AM  

leeksfromchichis: king of vegas: tfresh: vudukungfu: Why negotiate with a crater?

Hopefully its not us who wind up being the crater. 

But if that's the case... I'm glad I'm in SF:

[Fark user image image 700x394]

Craters on the other side of the world don't matter

Most of humanity is basically downwind of those craters, if I'm reading this right. gonna blow right into the high pressure zone and scatter all of Asia.
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Let's not get all Dr Strangelove just yet.


Somebody should show this map to Putin and ask "pretty please with a cherry on top, that the end the war now.  To keep the majority of humxnity safe from radiation.
 
Claude Ballse
2023-02-01 3:03:08 AM  
I am a perpetual pessimist, but I genuinely believe that Russia will agree to a new treaty for nuclear arms in the midst of a conflict long before California agrees to any sort of water conservation.

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HighOnCraic
2023-02-01 3:05:12 AM  

RustyShock: It's the Fark Defeatist ™'s wet dream. The end of all life on Earth.


A Nuke's Gonna Happen?
 
HighOnCraic
2023-02-01 3:07:58 AM  

qorkfiend: NotARocketScientist: Will Russia still be a country in 3 years?

What's the point of negotiating with the people in charge now, if they won't be in charge in 3 years? The new people might not honor it, and will probably want different things.

Because you can't see the future and can't assume this outcome


Well, WE can't, but...

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ketkarsa
2023-02-01 3:17:08 AM  
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Abe Vigoda's Ghost
2023-02-01 4:39:30 AM  

king of vegas: tfresh: vudukungfu: Why negotiate with a crater?

Hopefully its not us who wind up being the crater.

But if that's the case... I'm glad I'm in SF:

[Fark user image image 700x394]

Craters on the other side of the world don't matter


I guess that depends if you're downwind.
 
tembaarmswide [TotalFark]
2023-02-01 5:39:07 AM  

Claude Ballse: I am a perpetual pessimist, but I genuinely believe that Russia will agree to a new treaty for nuclear arms in the midst of a conflict long before California agrees to any sort of water conservation.

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of course they will as Russia's word is worth nothing
 
The Perineum Falcon
2023-02-01 6:53:38 AM  

Unsung_Hero: I think they'll need to let inspectors confirm they have at least one functional nuclear warhead-tipped ICBM before we worry about this.  Russia's done.

We should be more worried about what will happen to their nuclear materials (whether they remain capable of going 'boom' or not) after Russia falls apart.


Some many hands have dipped into the funds meant for maintenance that them having even a singular somewhat functional nuke would be surprising.
 
RustyShock
2023-02-01 7:05:56 AM  

HighOnCraic: RustyShock: It's the Fark Defeatist ™'s wet dream. The end of all life on Earth.

A Nuke's Gonna Happen?


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Lonestar
2023-02-01 7:06:10 AM  
It is clear we cannot rely on Russia to follow any treaty.

Its because the US started breaking its treaties during the Trump administration. Yes it was because Russia wanted the US to break treaties 1st so that they can go and say that the US did it 1st when Russia would break some later on.

I mean even Bush didn't break treaties.

This will happen again and again now since it seems a minority of the Republicans are bought by Russian money. They even managed to convince Elon to work for them.
 
Alphax
2023-02-01 7:10:54 AM  

Lonestar: I mean even Bush didn't break treaties.


Actually, the 2nd Bush did, right away.  Just tore up a bunch of them in the first month.
 
winedrinkingman
2023-02-01 7:14:42 AM  

bloobeary: Like russia honors treaties anymore.


Economics is a bigger encirclement tool on Russia than treaties.

Russia can not afford to expand it's nuclear arsenal and even if it tried, all the grift and outright theft would keep it from doing anything meaningful.
 
tfresh [TotalFark]
2023-02-01 8:03:32 AM  

Claude Ballse: I am a perpetual pessimist, but I genuinely believe that Russia will agree to a new treaty for nuclear arms in the midst of a conflict long before California agrees to any sort of water conservation.

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We DO conserve water... someone has to keep the lawns of party donors in Beverly Hills green.
 
SirGunslinger
2023-02-01 10:07:45 AM  
Considering the brain drain in Russia, who are they going to get to consult on making new nukes; North Korea? I suppose if you can make Kimchi powered rockets, aged sauerkraut will work to.
 
Be polite walk on the right
2023-02-01 11:36:39 AM  

AmbassadorBooze: Have the new treaty signed at a ceremony on the rim of Moscow crater.  In Putin's blood or his offsprings blood.  Provided voluntarily, of course.


Let the sh*tposting commence!

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Lord Putin
2023-02-01 5:41:27 PM  
Of course when Trump said Russia was violating the INF treaty and withdrew it was bad and horrible and the worst idea ever but when Biden does the same with New START it's bold diplomacy.
 
Unsung_Hero
2023-02-01 9:16:22 PM  

winedrinkingman: Economics is a bigger encirclement tool on Russia than treaties


Treaties are promises, and worth only what the current keeper of the promise thinks they're worth.  Economic leverage is just another kind of weapon - which is why interdependence is generally a good thing.

The problem is it requires rational actors, and Russia isn't rational.  Bleeding your nation to death then invading neighbors for new wealth while threatening the rest with economic consequences is just a really short-sighted strategy.  That path ends in isolation and poverty if you're lucky, and losing a war if you're not.
 
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