Theaetetus: hubiestubert: He told the Los Angeles Times that he got his information from sergeants and computer-aided dispatch, and that he hadn't seen any video footage of the encounter before writing the press release.

"This had literally zero intent to deceive or be dishonest or disingenuous. Had we known that this [situation] was what we saw on the video, that statement would have been completely different," Elder told the newspaper.

...and yet, made zero effort to even look at the incident you released a statement about.

Y'all knew sh*t was going to be bad, and this was the best story you had?

They didn't think they needed a better one.
If you watch just the bodycam videos, it's tough to tell what's going on. The cameras miss a lot and you hear them constantly shouting at him to show them his hands, give them his hands, put his hands behind him, roll over, get on the ground, stop resisting, etc., not that he wasn't complying at all. But they know that the tie goes to the cops, so unless there's anything conclusive on the video, everyone will believe anything they say.

And that leads to the logical conclusion that they've done this before. These were not 5 cops who magically all at once, in the same few seconds, flipped out and went from Officer Friendly to murderers. These were long-time veterans and this was clearly their standard operating procedure.

I guess that's my real question... Can the prosecutors flip anyone, and if so, what other incidents are they going to learn about?

olorin604: Theaetetus: hubiestubert: He told the Los Angeles Times that he got his information from sergeants and computer-aided dispatch, and that he hadn't seen any video footage of the encounter before writing the press release.

"This had literally zero intent to deceive or be dishonest or disingenuous. Had we known that this [situation] was what we saw on the video, that statement would have been completely different," Elder told the newspaper.

...and yet, made zero effort to even look at the incident you released a statement about.

Y'all knew sh*t was going to be bad, and this was the best story you had?

They didn't think they needed a better one.
If you watch just the bodycam videos, it's tough to tell what's going on. The cameras miss a lot and you hear them constantly shouting at him to show them his hands, give them his hands, put his hands behind him, roll over, get on the ground, stop resisting, etc., not that he wasn't complying at all. But they know that the tie goes to the cops, so unless there's anything conclusive on the video, everyone will believe anything they say.

And that leads to the logical conclusion that they've done this before. These were not 5 cops who magically all at once, in the same few seconds, flipped out and went from Officer Friendly to murderers. These were long-time veterans and this was clearly their standard operating procedure.

I guess that's my real question... Can the prosecutors flip anyone, and if so, what other incidents are they going to learn about?

Yah that's where I am, there are currently a dozen people across 4 emergency services departments that didnt see anything wrong with this behavior.

I have a very hard time believing it wasnt, at the least, tacitly approved if not endorsed by the higher ups.

The speed at which they were willing to throw subordinates under the bus to demonstrate their lack of culpability also seems suspect.

I mean yah it's the correct response, but if the leaders were leading then a response would not be necessary, because it would have been shut down far before it needed a response.