Natalie Portmanteau: Damn. Those little buttons to open the back seem convenient. I guess they are.

El_Dan: So he was sitting in an unlocked car and so distracted that he didn't notice the thief open his trunk? I mean that sucks, but maybe either lock your car or pay some minimal attention to your surroundings.

stuffy: Hitting the same place over and over. How are these people not getting caught?

Kit Fister: Hoblit: "In the parking lot, signs are posted anywhere warning people not to leave valuables in their cars. "

Maybe this mindset should change. Maybe if we want to visit your establishment, there should be a level of expectation of security.

Instead, businesses just put up signs stating 'not our problem', it's your fault if something gets stolen on OUR property.

By this logic, a business can open up, put those signs everywhere, and then have an employee rob everybody.

How exactly do you expect them to provide said security?  Security personnel patrolling the lots during business hours? How much liability is it going to cost the stores to do that, in the event that someone is trying to steal a vehicle and gets injured by the security company?  How much liability do they have if they're providing security and whatnot, and a patron is actively assaulted and their security fails to stop it?

Kit Fister: stuffy: Hitting the same place over and over. How are these people not getting caught?

Difficulty: The police would have to bother to do their job and arrest the people doing it.

Kit Fister: Hoblit: stuffy: Hitting the same place over and over. How are these people not getting caught?

Because it's a parking lot in Oakland. The police can't necessarily patrol it and apparently the businesses in the area can't provide security for their premises for some reason.

Or worse?

Precisely how much do you think it costs to provide security and to pay the inevitable liability insurance that goes with attempting to patrol and enforce security outside of their businesses/in their open parking lots?

Sure, the big box stores could afford it, but do you think smaller businesses in the area can cough up the kind of money that that would take and not go broke?

The Police would ideally be patrolling, but this is America. Police don't do shiat to protect anyone but themselves. They generate revenue, arrest people, and "enforce the law".

Kit Fister: Hoblit: I do not own a business in Oakland so it is not incumbent on me to answer these questions on their behalf.

He who demandeth the security, figures out how to pay for the security.

Kit Fister: Hoblit: Kit Fister: Hoblit: stuffy: Hitting the same place over and over. How are these people not getting caught?

Because it's a parking lot in Oakland. The police can't necessarily patrol it and apparently the businesses in the area can't provide security for their premises for some reason.

Or worse?

Precisely how much do you think it costs to provide security and to pay the inevitable liability insurance that goes with attempting to patrol and enforce security outside of their businesses/in their open parking lots?

Sure, the big box stores could afford it, but do you think smaller businesses in the area can cough up the kind of money that that would take and not go broke?

The Police would ideally be patrolling, but this is America. Police don't do shiat to protect anyone but themselves. They generate revenue, arrest people, and "enforce the law".

I do not know and more importantly, I do not care. It is not on me to solve this for them. It is just something that needs to be solved.

I don't think the solution necessarily involves the police patrolling the premises nor do I want green eggs and ham.

Wow. Just...wow. Okay, well, I mean, my lack of universal healthcare, debt relief, and millions of dollars is a problem that needs to be solved, too.

ANd the lack of unicorns.

Kit Fister: Hoblit: Kit Fister: Hoblit: I do not own a business in Oakland so it is not incumbent on me to answer these questions on their behalf.

He who demandeth the security, figures out how to pay for the security.

So everybody then. Then everybody is paying for it. There may be a solution in there... if say, we just gave different municipalities a small donation, say from a purchase at these stores that are in need of said security.

Or, a myriad of different ways, when combined, combat the issue to a point where it because far less of a problem than it is currently.

Hopefully this can be figured out or there'll be a tax introduced in order to pay for all of the signs that tell you that you're property is not secured on a business's premises to a satisfying degree.

Ideally, that's the point of government-funded Police.

In reality, we pay the police "protection money", the worth of which is proportional to one's whiteness, wealth, and/or fame.

We're left to our own devices to pay again for other people/services to actually protect us, the costs of which, just strictly due to our letigious society, are astronomical.

That's the way it is in the US. Has been for most of it.

You saying "something needs to be done!" is literally on the same level as "sending thoughts and prayers", and just as helpful.

Natalie Portmanteau: Hoblit: Natalie Portmanteau: Damn. Those little buttons to open the back seem convenient. I guess they are.

I've never experienced those or the 'waving of legs/feet' in front of something to open it. But when I saw those advertisements, I had concerns about those functionalities then. I just assumed that there were already contingencies in place for them.

I think it only works if the fob is within a few feet of the door. But obviously that's not always foolproof.