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Gordon Bennett [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-31 11:25:06 AM  
Will Jelly Babies be like Muppet Babies, but with jelly babies?

Does that mean that we can get a chumblies show that's like Clangers?

Jamie and the Sonic Torch?
 
Mad_Radhu
2023-01-31 11:54:38 AM  
They are adapting the Star Beast comic this fall, so fingers crossed we get this crazy sonofabiatch.

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OtherLittleGuy [BareFark]
2023-01-31 12:11:28 PM  
We're had this discussion that Sara Jane wouldn't be a Disney Princess.....

I wish we get a crossover "What If" where Anthony Ainley's Master faced off against the Avengers in the 2012 Battle of New York, from a showdown with Tony Stark in his penthouse to Hulk making Time Lord additions to the floorwork.
 
NeoCortex42 [TotalFark]
2023-01-31 12:15:10 PM  
Torchwood was a great spinoff. It's a shame Miracle Day sucked so hard, though.
 
Mad_Radhu
2023-01-31 12:18:04 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: We're had this discussion that Sara Jane wouldn't be a Disney Princess.....

I wish we get a crossover "What If" where Anthony Ainley's Master faced off against the Avengers in the 2012 Battle of New York, from a showdown with Tony Stark in his penthouse to Hulk making Time Lord additions to the floorwork.


Delgado would be cooler. You could have the Avengers working with UNIT instead of SHIELD and give the Brigadier a Helicarrier.
 
leviosaurus [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-31 12:21:48 PM  
Doctor Who is closer to the Star Trek universe than Marvel. There's just not too many compelling characters outside the main storyline. They'd have to build up the characters and mythos from scratch.

Marvel has done a pretty amazing job of mastering the distinct tone of each of it's properties. Captain America focuses on political intrigue, Guardians is a space opera, Ant Man is comedy. Star Trek has never managed to maintain multiple different tones very well, I expect Doctor Who will face the same problem.
 
Gordon Bennett [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-31 12:26:14 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: We're had this discussion that Sara Jane wouldn't be a Disney Princess.....


Nyssa is a Disney Princess.

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xcalibar25
2023-01-31 12:32:27 PM  
Maybe we'll get a live action debut of Death's Head, looking for revenge on the Doctor for shrinking him. That would make both the Marvel and the Transformers UK comic universe cannon in Doctor Who!
 
frankb00th
2023-01-31 12:46:40 PM  
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I actually own that one
 
LouisZepher
2023-01-31 12:46:45 PM  

Mad_Radhu: OtherLittleGuy: We're had this discussion that Sara Jane wouldn't be a Disney Princess.....

I wish we get a crossover "What If" where Anthony Ainley's Master faced off against the Avengers in the 2012 Battle of New York, from a showdown with Tony Stark in his penthouse to Hulk making Time Lord additions to the floorwork.

Delgado would be cooler. You could have the Avengers working with UNIT instead of SHIELD and give the Brigadier a Helicarrier.


UNIT had a helicarrier.
 
SirDigbyChickenCaesar
2023-01-31 12:52:10 PM  
The only reason I would want that is because I would watch something like the X-Men or possibly the Guardians of the Galaxy versus the Weeping Angels.

We have yet to see the Doctor have a need to pair up with Superheroes.
 
ReverendLoki
2023-01-31 12:55:22 PM  
I would watch a series involving The Master and the TVA.  Be a great way to get several incarnations involved...
 
Carter Pewterschmidt [TotalFark]
2023-01-31 1:06:48 PM  
A Madame Vastra, Jenny and Strax spin off please.
 
leviosaurus [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-31 1:15:40 PM  

xcalibar25: Maybe we'll get a live action debut of Death's Head, looking for revenge on the Doctor for shrinking him. That would make both the Marvel and the Transformers UK comic universe cannon in Doctor Who!


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hubiestubert [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-31 1:24:01 PM  
Been a thing since the Fourth Doctor.

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frankb00th: [Fark user image 425x648]
I actually own that one


The Gog N' Magog storyline was one of my favorites.
 
EdgeRunner [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-31 1:24:21 PM  
The problem they've had with the spinoffs is they're too disconnected from the time and space hopping adventures that the fans love. It's like making a Star Trek series that never leaves Earth. What they need to try is a spinoff with another Time Lord, and a new Romana could be a good choice to run with.
 
hubiestubert [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-31 1:30:48 PM  

Gordon Bennett: OtherLittleGuy: We're had this discussion that Sara Jane wouldn't be a Disney Princess.....

Nyssa is a Disney Princess.

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I'm cool with Romana being a Disney Princess.

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I'm also good with Leela joining their merry band.

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NeoCortex42 [TotalFark]
2023-01-31 1:31:56 PM  

leviosaurus: Doctor Who is closer to the Star Trek universe than Marvel. There's just not too many compelling characters outside the main storyline. They'd have to build up the characters and mythos from scratch.

Marvel has done a pretty amazing job of mastering the distinct tone of each of it's properties. Captain America focuses on political intrigue, Guardians is a space opera, Ant Man is comedy. Star Trek has never managed to maintain multiple different tones very well, I expect Doctor Who will face the same problem.


Star Trek has zany comedy in Lower Decks, awe and adventure in Strange New Worlds, and whisper-shouting in Discovery.
 
leviosaurus [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-31 1:32:09 PM  

EdgeRunner: It's like making a Star Trek series that never leaves Earth.


There was a proposal years ago for a Star Trek showed based on Starfleet Academy. Fans were calling it "Dawson't Trek".

/It never got made, obvs.
 
LouisZepher
2023-01-31 1:45:43 PM  

ReverendLoki: I would watch a series involving The Master and the TVA.  Be a great way to get several incarnations involved...


A War Master series would be great.
 
t3knomanser
2023-01-31 1:46:15 PM  
The idea of Doctor Who spinoffs remains terrible. First off, the lack of canon is one of the things that keeps Doctor Who fresh and vital (well, only mildly stale and ambulatory). Each new storyline doesn't have to worry too much about a few obvious constants: the Doctor is a fundamentally good person who drops into other people's shiat and saves the day. You can't even say "the Doctor has a time machine" because there is the Pertwee era where the TARDIS was trapped on modern day Earth.

The problem with that format is it doesn't really admit spinoffs. There's no coherent lore. If you wildly shift the tone, the Doctor doesn't really fit into the new series, but if you don't shift the tone, what's the point? And even if the Doctor is a small part of a spinoff, or just a force in the world, we start running into the problem of "at what point do they need the Doctor, and if they don't... then what's the point of the Doctor existing in the universe where they just show up and fix things at any time?"

A modern show that's actually a lot like classic Who in terms of tone and structure is, weirdly, "Poker Face"- the Natasha Lyonne mystery series. She's got a big blue box (a Barracuda), wanders into life-or-death situations, generally farks around for a bit until she clevers her way to a conclusion that leaves no more bodies in its wake.

Also, Natasha Lyonne is the only American I'd accept as the Doctor, now that I think about it. She already did a time travel series.
 
LouisZepher
2023-01-31 1:48:30 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: The only reason I would want that is because I would watch something like the X-Men or possibly the Guardians of the Galaxy versus the Weeping Angels.

We have yet to see the Doctor have a need to pair up with Superheroes.


No, he usually just creates them.
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leviosaurus [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-31 1:51:13 PM  

NeoCortex42: leviosaurus: Doctor Who is closer to the Star Trek universe than Marvel. There's just not too many compelling characters outside the main storyline. They'd have to build up the characters and mythos from scratch.

Marvel has done a pretty amazing job of mastering the distinct tone of each of it's properties. Captain America focuses on political intrigue, Guardians is a space opera, Ant Man is comedy. Star Trek has never managed to maintain multiple different tones very well, I expect Doctor Who will face the same problem.

Star Trek has zany comedy in Lower Decks, awe and adventure in Strange New Worlds, and whisper-shouting in Discovery.


And it's taken them almost 60 years to get to this point. They had to watch Marvel show them how it's done.

/I'd bet money Strange New Worlds is the only one that will survive the next couple years
 
frankb00th
2023-01-31 2:00:24 PM  

hubiestubert: Been a thing since the Fourth Doctor.

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frankb00th: [Fark user image 425x648]
I actually own that one

The Gog N' Magog storyline was one of my favorites.


Me too.
 
catchow
2023-01-31 2:09:18 PM  

frankb00th: [Fark user image 425x648]
I actually own that one


Issues 1-8, near-mint.
 
Otera [TotalFark]
2023-01-31 2:21:05 PM  
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EqualOpportunityEnslaver
2023-01-31 2:30:25 PM  

ReverendLoki: I would watch a series involving The Master and the TVA.  Be a great way to get several incarnations involved...


User name definitely checks out
 
ReverendLoki
2023-01-31 2:44:45 PM  

t3knomanser: The idea of Doctor Who spinoffs remains terrible. First off, the lack of canon is one of the things that keeps Doctor Who fresh and vital (well, only mildly stale and ambulatory). Each new storyline doesn't have to worry too much about a few obvious constants: the Doctor is a fundamentally good person who drops into other people's shiat and saves the day. You can't even say "the Doctor has a time machine" because there is the Pertwee era where the TARDIS was trapped on modern day Earth.

The problem with that format is it doesn't really admit spinoffs. There's no coherent lore. If you wildly shift the tone, the Doctor doesn't really fit into the new series, but if you don't shift the tone, what's the point? And even if the Doctor is a small part of a spinoff, or just a force in the world, we start running into the problem of "at what point do they need the Doctor, and if they don't... then what's the point of the Doctor existing in the universe where they just show up and fix things at any time?"

A modern show that's actually a lot like classic Who in terms of tone and structure is, weirdly, "Poker Face"- the Natasha Lyonne mystery series. She's got a big blue box (a Barracuda), wanders into life-or-death situations, generally farks around for a bit until she clevers her way to a conclusion that leaves no more bodies in its wake.

Also, Natasha Lyonne is the only American I'd accept as the Doctor, now that I think about it. She already did a time travel series.


Spin offs can work just fine.  And having only a bare connection to "canon" can actually benefit them.  Just go in knowing that the spin off series will acknowledge and ignore events from the main series as is convenient, and don't try and explain anything.  The only canon that should be acknowledged is that time is wibbley-wobbley, and go from there.

And not every series needs to deal with end-of-the-world/universe/civilization/whatever threats.  Let's get Vastra, Strax, and Jenny a series in Victorian London.  A limited series of Rory's time as the Last Centurion guarding the Pandorica.  Or a series featuring The Doctor's Daughter, just being a Space Steve Irwin.
 
ReapTheChaos
2023-01-31 2:45:30 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: A Madame Vastra, Jenny and Strax spin off please.


I'd watch that.

At the very least they need to make use of reoccurring characters more often in the show, we haven't seen those three since the beginning of season 8. They'll rehash the same old tired enemies (Cybermen, Daleks, Weeping Angles, etc.) but fan favorite good guys get left behind. At least we got to see Captain Jack and Kate Stewart in Whittaker's run.

Id love to see what Clara and Me are up to, and there's literally no reason they couldn't bump into Amy and Rory, or even River Song again. One thing that always bothers me about the show is how linear their thinking is.
 
TelemonianAjax [TotalFark]
2023-01-31 2:49:46 PM  

leviosaurus: EdgeRunner: It's like making a Star Trek series that never leaves Earth.

There was a proposal years ago for a Star Trek showed based on Starfleet Academy. Fans were calling it "Dawson't Trek".

/It never got made, obvs.


Fuggit. Do it. 4 years of a tv show following a cohort through academy, 1 year to follow them out to their assignments and establish lots of story building and boom, start cranking out movies for each of the main cohort that is popular.

Don't pull a Gustin Goof and spend time and money building up a tv cast only to abandon them come movie time.
 
Kris_Romm
2023-01-31 2:50:26 PM  
Look, let's not pretend this is new.

K9 had a spinoff.  K9. Actually... twice.

Of course, Torchwood, Sarah Jane, and the freaking Coal Hill School did too.
 
AppleOptionEsc
2023-01-31 2:57:00 PM  

EdgeRunner: The problem they've had with the spinoffs is they're too disconnected from the time and space hopping adventures that the fans love. It's like making a Star Trek series that never leaves Earth. What they need to try is a spinoff with another Time Lord, and a new Romana could be a good choice to run with.


They made a Star Trek that never left a space station. Heck, some of the best episodes never left the ship.

Set dressings are literally that. Characters drive stuff.
 
dywed88
2023-01-31 3:00:01 PM  

t3knomanser: The idea of Doctor Who spinoffs remains terrible. First off, the lack of canon is one of the things that keeps Doctor Who fresh and vital (well, only mildly stale and ambulatory). Each new storyline doesn't have to worry too much about a few obvious constants: the Doctor is a fundamentally good person who drops into other people's shiat and saves the day. You can't even say "the Doctor has a time machine" because there is the Pertwee era where the TARDIS was trapped on modern day Earth.

The problem with that format is it doesn't really admit spinoffs. There's no coherent lore. If you wildly shift the tone, the Doctor doesn't really fit into the new series, but if you don't shift the tone, what's the point? And even if the Doctor is a small part of a spinoff, or just a force in the world, we start running into the problem of "at what point do they need the Doctor, and if they don't... then what's the point of the Doctor existing in the universe where they just show up and fix things at any time?"

A modern show that's actually a lot like classic Who in terms of tone and structure is, weirdly, "Poker Face"- the Natasha Lyonne mystery series. She's got a big blue box (a Barracuda), wanders into life-or-death situations, generally farks around for a bit until she clevers her way to a conclusion that leaves no more bodies in its wake.

Also, Natasha Lyonne is the only American I'd accept as the Doctor, now that I think about it. She already did a time travel series.


And yet they have made two excellent and successful spinoffs.

Torchwood didn't have legs but it was quite good for a few seasons.

Sarah Jane Adventures was also very good and it only ended because of Elizabeth Sladen's death.
 
OtherLittleGuy [BareFark]
2023-01-31 3:01:55 PM  

NeoCortex42: leviosaurus: Doctor Who is closer to the Star Trek universe than Marvel. There's just not too many compelling characters outside the main storyline. They'd have to build up the characters and mythos from scratch.

Marvel has done a pretty amazing job of mastering the distinct tone of each of it's properties. Captain America focuses on political intrigue, Guardians is a space opera, Ant Man is comedy. Star Trek has never managed to maintain multiple different tones very well, I expect Doctor Who will face the same problem.

Star Trek has zany comedy in Lower Decks, awe and adventure in Strange New Worlds, and whisper-shouting crying in Discovery.
 
OtherLittleGuy [BareFark]
2023-01-31 3:05:05 PM  

t3knomanser: Also, Natasha Lyonne is the only American I'd accept as the Doctor, now that I think about it. She already did a time travel series.


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Get this woman a Sonic Screwdriver. Stat!
 
frankb00th
2023-01-31 3:10:27 PM  

catchow: frankb00th: [Fark user image 425x648]
I actually own that one

Issues 1-8, near-mint.


I wish i could say the same
 
Kris_Romm
2023-01-31 3:12:25 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: t3knomanser: Also, Natasha Lyonne is the only American I'd accept as the Doctor, now that I think about it. She already did a time travel series.

[Fark user image image 850x566]

Get this woman a Sonic Screwdriver. Stat!


No Time Travel, but her current show, Poker Face, is very good (unless you're someone who knee-jerk hates Rian Johnson you won't watch anything he's involved with).

Think Columbo - a Badge + Incredible Hulk - Superpowers.
 
t3knomanser
2023-01-31 3:19:53 PM  

ReverendLoki: Spin offs can work just fine.  And having only a bare connection to "canon" can actually benefit them.


I mean, the thing is, very few of the characters that crop up in Doctor Who really merit a spinoff. For all the Jenny/Strax/Vastra talk, they're not actually terribly interesting characters. You'd have to do a lot to lift those characters into something worthy of a spinoff.

dywed88: Torchwood didn't have legs but it was quite good for a few seasons.


That implies Torchwood ever was good, which having watched it, no it wasn't. I was hatewatching by the second episode.
 
AgtSmithReloaded
2023-01-31 3:20:26 PM  
NeoCortex42:

...and whisper-shouting in Discovery.

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AgtSmithReloaded
2023-01-31 3:21:45 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: and whisper-shouting crying in Discovery.


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dennysgod
2023-01-31 3:27:29 PM  
Jelly baby?  Must be a British thing


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dywed88
2023-01-31 3:43:04 PM  

t3knomanser: ReverendLoki: Spin offs can work just fine.  And having only a bare connection to "canon" can actually benefit them.

I mean, the thing is, very few of the characters that crop up in Doctor Who really merit a spinoff. For all the Jenny/Strax/Vastra talk, they're not actually terribly interesting characters. You'd have to do a lot to lift those characters into something worthy of a spinoff.

dywed88: Torchwood didn't have legs but it was quite good for a few seasons.

That implies Torchwood ever was good, which having watched it, no it wasn't. I was hatewatching by the second episode.


A good show can only last a few seasons. You don't need ten or sixty seasons for a show to be good and successful.
 
OtherLittleGuy [BareFark]
2023-01-31 3:46:16 PM  

Kris_Romm: OtherLittleGuy: t3knomanser: Also, Natasha Lyonne is the only American I'd accept as the Doctor, now that I think about it. She already did a time travel series.

[Fark user image image 850x566]

Get this woman a Sonic Screwdriver. Stat!

No Time Travel, but her current show, Poker Face, is very good (unless you're someone who knee-jerk hates Rian Johnson you won't watch anything he's involved with).

Think Columbo - a Badge + Incredible Hulk - Superpowers.


That's a great assessment.
 
OtherLittleGuy [BareFark]
2023-01-31 3:49:10 PM  

AgtSmithReloaded: OtherLittleGuy: and whisper-shouting crying in Discovery.

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EdgeRunner [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-31 4:24:16 PM  

AppleOptionEsc: EdgeRunner: The problem they've had with the spinoffs is they're too disconnected from the time and space hopping adventures that the fans love. It's like making a Star Trek series that never leaves Earth. What they need to try is a spinoff with another Time Lord, and a new Romana could be a good choice to run with.

They made a Star Trek that never left a space station. Heck, some of the best episodes never left the ship.

Set dressings are literally that. Characters drive stuff.


However, the station was in space, regularly welcomed new visitors, the main team went on occasional away missions, and even time travel popped up. DS9 was much more similar than different to the other Trek shows.
 
Gordon Bennett [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-31 5:21:40 PM  

dennysgod: Jelly baby?  Must be a British thing


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Jelly babies.

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Personally I don't like them, but YMMV.
 
Carter Pewterschmidt [TotalFark]
2023-01-31 5:43:29 PM  

ReapTheChaos: Id love to see what Clara and Me are up to, and there's literally no reason they couldn't bump into Amy and Rory, or even River Song again. One thing that always bothers me about the show is how linear their thinking is.


When Amy and Rory left it was some space magic that meant they were in New York and the Doctor and/or Tardis could never ever visit New York at that time or the universe would explode or something.

The idea that Rory and Amy could get on a train and go somewhere else and the Doctor could happily visit just didn't occur to them.
 
ReapTheChaos
2023-01-31 6:20:50 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: ReapTheChaos: Id love to see what Clara and Me are up to, and there's literally no reason they couldn't bump into Amy and Rory, or even River Song again. One thing that always bothers me about the show is how linear their thinking is.

When Amy and Rory left it was some space magic that meant they were in New York and the Doctor and/or Tardis could never ever visit New York at that time or the universe would explode or something.

The idea that Rory and Amy could get on a train and go somewhere else and the Doctor could happily visit just didn't occur to them.


Yep, land the Tardis in New Jersey and take a cab, or go there a year or two later. Same with River Song, her diary may be full, but there's plenty of times in-between we've never seen, like Jim the fish.
 
TheManofPA
2023-01-31 6:38:24 PM  
Not even Patton Oswalt's filibuster went that far and that was the MCU-SW Roadmap. We have gone too far down into the abyss
 
t3knomanser
2023-01-31 6:57:48 PM  

dywed88: A good show can only last a few seasons. You don't need ten or sixty seasons for a show to be good and successful.


I don't think the Vastra/Jenny/Strax has enough meat on the bone to make a few episodes, let alone a few seasons. They're a fun trio for the Doctor to bump into, but they're hardly exciting enough to carry a show. And that's even ignoring the fact that no spinoff is going to have the budget to have two of the main cast in heavy prosthetics for every episode.
 
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