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Tr0mBoNe [TotalFark]
2023-01-31 6:32:39 AM  
no shiat. their economy is collapsing so they're busy.
 
Carter Pewterschmidt [TotalFark]
2023-01-31 7:41:54 AM  
In seven weeks, thanks to Tory indifference to the NHS strike, UK hospitals have canceled 88,000 appointments.

There, FTCY subby.

Even Labour leader Kier Starmer says the 19% pay rise they're asking for is unrealistic and he wouldn't agree to it if he was in power. And doctors and nurses in countries across Europe are complaining about the exact same issues and going on strike, it's not just a UK thing.
 
Carter Pewterschmidt [TotalFark]
2023-01-31 7:43:04 AM  
Ironically FTCY should be FTFY....

/Was tempted to leave it and have people try to work out what it meant.
 
Sexy Jesus [recently expired TotalFark]
2023-01-31 7:44:04 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Ironically FTCY should be FTFY....

/Was tempted to leave it and have people try to work out what it meant.


Like you do with all of your posts?
 
lordjupiter
2023-01-31 7:45:21 AM  
It's ok.  They're all flesh wounds.
 
Shaggy_C
2023-01-31 7:45:22 AM  
It is an outrage that people will have to wait six months instead of five months for specialist care!

On a more serious note, striking by ambulance teams and ER physicians should be illegal. There are some roles so critical to society that they become exempt from petty salary disputes. They should also be paid better by default, of course...
 
Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste
2023-01-31 7:46:11 AM  

Shaggy_C: It is an outrage that people will have to wait six months instead of five months for specialist care!

On a more serious note, striking by ambulance teams and ER physicians should be illegal. There are some roles so critical to society that they become exempt from petty salary disputes. They should also be paid better by default, of course...


Yeah, they should be paid more because of... magic.
 
Minus1Kelvin
2023-01-31 7:47:17 AM  
7 comments in here, and I'm only seeing 2. Yikes, they early today...
 
Super_pope
2023-01-31 7:47:52 AM  

Shaggy_C: It is an outrage that people will have to wait six months instead of five months for specialist care!

On a more serious note, striking by ambulance teams and ER physicians should be illegal. There are some roles so critical to society that they become exempt from petty salary disputes. They should also be paid better by default, of course...


re-tagged you as "pro-slavery"
 
BeesNuts
2023-01-31 7:49:41 AM  
Huh.  So you can't afford to pay them?  Well.  I guess we'll see how long you can afford to *not* pay them.

Nobody is *entitled* to the labor of another.
 
Tr0mBoNe [TotalFark]
2023-01-31 7:50:30 AM  

Shaggy_C: It is an outrage that people will have to wait six months instead of five months for specialist care!

On a more serious note, striking by ambulance teams and ER physicians should be illegal. There are some roles so critical to society that they become exempt from petty salary disputes. They should also be paid better by default, of course...


And if they aren't getting paid more, regardless of what goes on, then they should strike. And their value will then become apparent.

Our ambulances are so underfunded that if you're more than 15 minutes outside of about 5 large towns and the main city, you're farked if you have any serious medical situation. Same with fire services... nice house at the shore about an hour from the city better be fire proof. Police are well funded, though.
 
Gpzjock
2023-01-31 7:52:33 AM  

Minus1Kelvin: 7 comments in here, and I'm only seeing 2. Yikes, they early today...


I see 4 before yours, my ignore list must need an update.
 
Nurglitch
2023-01-31 7:54:21 AM  
Don't even call an ambulance if you can get yourself, or your person having a medical emergency, into a cab.
 
NINDroog
2023-01-31 7:57:45 AM  

BeesNuts: Huh.  So you can't afford to pay them?  Well.  I guess we'll see how long you can afford to *not* pay them.


This. Where's all the free market love when labor does it? Seems like this is a more critical need than, say financial services, yet I don't see people bending over backwards to justify their wage increases.

Also, I don't see what the big deal is. The UK is now saving $350 million pounds a week. They could afford to pay each of the strikers and additional $5,833 a week with that money.
 
Gooch [BareFark]
2023-01-31 7:59:04 AM  
That's end stagesocialized medicine
 
Mr. Tweedy
2023-01-31 7:59:52 AM  
Once again, conservative government works for you!
 
King Keepo
2023-01-31 8:04:57 AM  

Shaggy_C: It is an outrage that people will have to wait six months instead of five months for specialist care!

On a more serious note, striking by ambulance teams and ER physicians should be illegal. There are some roles so critical to society that they become exempt from petty salary disputes. They should also be paid better by default, of course...


They still leave the picket lines for emergencies, they just won't take you to A&E to put a plaster on your finger or rescue a cat stuck in a tree.
 
NewportBarGuy [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-31 8:07:11 AM  
The sun never rises on the British Empire.
 
Magnus_Jager
2023-01-31 8:11:05 AM  
The torries see money to be made if they can flip to american style "Best money can buy".   They personally will be set for life much like their american heroes.
 
Basket Of Deplorables
2023-01-31 8:15:28 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: In seven weeks, thanks to Tory indifference to the NHS strike, UK hospitals have canceled 88,000 appointments.

There, FTCY subby.

Even Labour leader Kier Starmer says the 19% pay rise they're asking for is unrealistic and he wouldn't agree to it if he was in power. And doctors and nurses in countries across Europe are complaining about the exact same issues and going on strike, it's not just a UK thing.


I wonder how you'll feel about that 19% when you have a car accident and there's nobody to treat you because you didn't feel they deserved to be paid.
 
Paddy [OhFark]
2023-01-31 8:16:04 AM  

Shaggy_C: It is an outrage that people will have to wait six months instead of five months for specialist care!

On a more serious note, striking by ambulance teams and ER physicians should be illegal. There are some roles so critical to society that they become exempt from petty salary disputes. They should also be paid better by default, of course...


Just out of curiosity: In your dystopia, would they be free to quit? Or would you say they can't because society trained them to do their job and has a right to demand them performing it now?
 
Shaggy_C
2023-01-31 8:25:28 AM  

Super_pope: re-tagged you as "pro-slavery"


It is illegal for paramedics to strike in most jurisdictions in the USA. Why do you live in a country that condones slavery?
 
Shaggy_C
2023-01-31 8:26:48 AM  

Paddy: Shaggy_C: It is an outrage that people will have to wait six months instead of five months for specialist care!

On a more serious note, striking by ambulance teams and ER physicians should be illegal. There are some roles so critical to society that they become exempt from petty salary disputes. They should also be paid better by default, of course...

Just out of curiosity: In your dystopia, would they be free to quit? Or would you say they can't because society trained them to do their job and has a right to demand them performing it now?


Same to you. It is illegal for paramedics and police and firefighters to strike in most jurisdictions in the USA. How do they get paid a fair wage in the dystopian hell we have here?
 
HeadbangerSmurf
2023-01-31 8:32:58 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: In seven weeks, thanks to Tory indifference to the NHS strike, UK hospitals have canceled 88,000 appointments.

There, FTCY subby.

Even Labour leader Kier Starmer says the 19% pay rise they're asking for is unrealistic and he wouldn't agree to it if he was in power. And doctors and nurses in countries across Europe are complaining about the exact same issues and going on strike, it's not just a UK thing.


How do YOU feel about it?  I couldn't give two shiats what Kier thinks because he's part of the problem.  Do you think those people deserve more money?
 
born_yesterday [TotalFark]
2023-01-31 8:33:52 AM  
Have a properly bent banana while you wait.
 
batlock666
2023-01-31 8:38:50 AM  

Shaggy_C: Paddy: Shaggy_C: It is an outrage that people will have to wait six months instead of five months for specialist care!

On a more serious note, striking by ambulance teams and ER physicians should be illegal. There are some roles so critical to society that they become exempt from petty salary disputes. They should also be paid better by default, of course...

Just out of curiosity: In your dystopia, would they be free to quit? Or would you say they can't because society trained them to do their job and has a right to demand them performing it now?

Same to you. It is illegal for paramedics and police and firefighters to strike in most jurisdictions in the USA. How do they get paid a fair wage in the dystopian hell we have here?


Blue flu?
 
hegelsghost
2023-01-31 8:47:48 AM  
I seem to recall that in former times dysfunctional  British governments could be shamed into resigning and calling an election.  Today's Tories have no shame.
 
Super_pope
2023-01-31 8:50:08 AM  

Shaggy_C: Super_pope: re-tagged you as "pro-slavery"

It is illegal for paramedics to strike in most jurisdictions in the USA. Why do you live in a country that condones slavery?


I don't argue with people John Brown would've plugged
 
qorkfiend
2023-01-31 9:02:17 AM  

hegelsghost: I seem to recall that in former times dysfunctional  British governments could be shamed into resigning and calling an election.  Today's Tories have no shame.


The part where the Tories get to decide when the Tories have to stand for election is a "neat" "feature"
 
Communist Middleschool Student
2023-01-31 9:17:19 AM  
Die for the economy, scags.
 
The Envoy
2023-01-31 9:25:25 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: In seven weeks, thanks to Tory indifference to the NHS strike, UK hospitals have canceled 88,000 appointments.

There, FTCY subby.

Even Labour leader Kier Starmer says the 19% pay rise they're asking for is unrealistic and he wouldn't agree to it if he was in power. And doctors and nurses in countries across Europe are complaining about the exact same issues and going on strike, it's not just a UK thing.


Where's Boris billions?  It's a law!

You know what would have saved money?  Not having to hire thousands of agency workers at many times normal salary to fill the hole left by the thousands of competent European healthcare workers who were booted out by dumb bigots.
 
The Envoy
2023-01-31 9:25:58 AM  

Basket Of Deplorables: Carter Pewterschmidt: In seven weeks, thanks to Tory indifference to the NHS strike, UK hospitals have canceled 88,000 appointments.

There, FTCY subby.

Even Labour leader Kier Starmer says the 19% pay rise they're asking for is unrealistic and he wouldn't agree to it if he was in power. And doctors and nurses in countries across Europe are complaining about the exact same issues and going on strike, it's not just a UK thing.

I wonder how you'll feel about that 19% when you have a car accident and there's nobody to treat you because you didn't feel they deserved to be paid.


Fingers crossed.
 
kmgenesis23
2023-01-31 9:28:54 AM  

BeesNuts: Huh.  So you can't afford to pay them?  Well.  I guess we'll see how long you can afford to *not* pay them.

Nobody is *entitled* to the labor of another.


Amen.
 
The Envoy
2023-01-31 9:29:58 AM  
I love the Tories' response to the crisis.  More ambulances and staff (as if people are clamouring to work for less than half the money a dumbf*ck train driver makes) and more beds...ummmm...the beds are full because care in the community is pretty much dead so patients can't be discharged.  So they're going to what?  Stack the extra beds in corridors because the already-overworked staff have the extra capacity, then stack more ambulances outside A&Es thereby tying up even MORE paramedics waiting to offload.

What could possibly go wrong?
 
kmgenesis23
2023-01-31 9:31:07 AM  

Tr0mBoNe: Shaggy_C: It is an outrage that people will have to wait six months instead of five months for specialist care!

On a more serious note, striking by ambulance teams and ER physicians should be illegal. There are some roles so critical to society that they become exempt from petty salary disputes. They should also be paid better by default, of course...

And if they aren't getting paid more, regardless of what goes on, then they should strike. And their value will then become apparent.

Our ambulances are so underfunded that if you're more than 15 minutes outside of about 5 large towns and the main city, you're farked if you have any serious medical situation. Same with fire services... nice house at the shore about an hour from the city better be fire proof. Police are well funded, though.


More evidence that you can have a liveable, welfare state or a police state to deal with all the criming that occurs when basic needs aren't met.
 
phalamir [TotalFark]
2023-01-31 9:31:19 AM  

BeesNuts:

Nobody is *entitled* to the labor of another.

Only since 1925.  Before that, compulsory labor was still a legal thing in the UK, so it isn't too far in the past for them.  And the (Actual) Prime Minister for the 18th Century (as opposed to Gunga Din of No 10) openly states that he's down for that to return.

qorkfiend: The part where the Tories get to decide when the Tories have to stand for election is a "neat" "feature"


That is literally how it has always been.  Excepting they have to call an election no more than 5 years after the last one, the majority party has always been able to call elections as they will.
 
qorkfiend
2023-01-31 9:34:56 AM  

phalamir: BeesNuts:

Nobody is *entitled* to the labor of another.

Only since 1925.  Before that, compulsory labor was still a legal thing in the UK, so it isn't too far in the past for them.  And the (Actual) Prime Minister for the 18th Century (as opposed to Gunga Din of No 10) openly states that he's down for that to return.

qorkfiend: The part where the Tories get to decide when the Tories have to stand for election is a "neat" "feature"

That is literally how it has always been.  Excepting they have to call an election no more than 5 years after the last one, the majority party has always been able to call elections as they will.


I know, that's why it's "neat"

This does assume that they don't repeal the law that says they have to hold the election within 5 years
 
New Rising Sun
2023-01-31 9:40:24 AM  

Sexy Jesus: Carter Pewterschmidt: Ironically FTCY should be FTFY....

/Was tempted to leave it and have people try to work out what it meant.

Like you do with all of your posts?


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Arkanaut
2023-01-31 9:42:33 AM  
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They probably weren't going to vote Tory anyway. /s
 
The Envoy
2023-01-31 9:43:19 AM  

Gooch: That's end stagesocialized medicine


The Tories, as in the UK's republicans, are killing the NHS with underfunding, Brexit and lies...and you think that's down to it being socialised medicine?  70 years it's been going and in a decade the Tories have crippled it.

GTFO with your simpleton take, your village is missing you.
 
Al Tsheimers
2023-01-31 9:53:06 AM  

Shaggy_C: It is an outrage that people will have to wait six months instead of five months for specialist care!

On a more serious note, striking by ambulance teams and ER physicians should be illegal. There are some roles so critical to society that they become exempt from petty salary disputes. They should also be paid better by default, of course...


So, they are now on a par with American health care. I had to make an appointment with an endocrinologist, and it was 7 months out. I hope the problem doesn't turn out to be time sensitive.
 
omnimancer28
2023-01-31 9:53:20 AM  

Shaggy_C: Paddy: Shaggy_C: It is an outrage that people will have to wait six months instead of five months for specialist care!

On a more serious note, striking by ambulance teams and ER physicians should be illegal. There are some roles so critical to society that they become exempt from petty salary disputes. They should also be paid better by default, of course...

Just out of curiosity: In your dystopia, would they be free to quit? Or would you say they can't because society trained them to do their job and has a right to demand them performing it now?

Same to you. It is illegal for paramedics and police and firefighters to strike in most jurisdictions in the USA. How do they get paid a fair wage in the dystopian hell we have here?


They don't, which is why the professions are hemmorhaiging staff like crazy.  The US is going to be screwed as our population ages and needs more medical care.
 
MrSplifferton
2023-01-31 10:00:22 AM  
This sounds like the conservative playbook is in operation.  Can't wait to see the surprised faces on the British when they sneak in for profit health care and completely do away with the NHS.

/They voted for Brexit, so I don't expect them to do anything smart.
 
Gooch [BareFark]
2023-01-31 10:04:02 AM  

The Envoy: Gooch: That's end stagesocialized medicine

The Tories, as in the UK's republicans, are killing the NHS with underfunding, Brexit and lies...and you think that's down to it being socialised medicine?  70 years it's been going and in a decade the Tories have crippled it.

GTFO with your simpleton take, your village is missing you.


I just think all of these do-gooder publicly funded schemes are bound to fail as there are too many takers and not enough makers at the end of the day. If you really must have this boondoggle, I'd at a minimum as for a maximum age beyond which you have to start paying for medical care or carry private insurance, like 65 years old. There's no sense using public monies to keep a rotten old codger alive well past his expiration date to keep draining the public coffers.
 
Blathering Idjut
2023-01-31 10:08:39 AM  

omnimancer28: Shaggy_C: Paddy: Shaggy_C: It is an outrage that people will have to wait six months instead of five months for specialist care!

On a more serious note, striking by ambulance teams and ER physicians should be illegal. There are some roles so critical to society that they become exempt from petty salary disputes. They should also be paid better by default, of course...

Just out of curiosity: In your dystopia, would they be free to quit? Or would you say they can't because society trained them to do their job and has a right to demand them performing it now?

Same to you. It is illegal for paramedics and police and firefighters to strike in most jurisdictions in the USA. How do they get paid a fair wage in the dystopian hell we have here?

They don't, which is why the professions are hemmorhaiging staff like crazy.  The US is going to be screwed as our population ages and needs more medical care.


Yeah add to that our postmodern American society where everybody is an expert on medical care making medical professional's lives hell and we have a recipe for disaster.
 
Kit Fister [TotalFark]
2023-01-31 10:10:19 AM  

Gpzjock: Minus1Kelvin: 7 comments in here, and I'm only seeing 2. Yikes, they early today...

I see 4 before yours, my ignore list must need an update.


Genuine question - if you ignore most of the posters, what's the point of coming to the site for discussion?
 
SirGunslinger
2023-01-31 10:16:33 AM  

Shaggy_C: Paddy: Shaggy_C: It is an outrage that people will have to wait six months instead of five months for specialist care!

On a more serious note, striking by ambulance teams and ER physicians should be illegal. There are some roles so critical to society that they become exempt from petty salary disputes. They should also be paid better by default, of course...

Just out of curiosity: In your dystopia, would they be free to quit? Or would you say they can't because society trained them to do their job and has a right to demand them performing it now?

Same to you. It is illegal for paramedics and police and firefighters to strike in most jurisdictions in the USA. How do they get paid a fair wage in the dystopian hell we have here?


They don't, hence the dystopia part, but you didn't actually care about that.
 
misanthropicsob [OhFark]
2023-01-31 10:29:46 AM  

hegelsghost: I seem to recall that in former times dysfunctional  British governments could be shamed into resigning and calling an election.  Today's Tories have no shame.


They've learned from the American Democrats how to defeat strikes.
 
Shaggy_C
2023-01-31 10:35:55 AM  

kmgenesis23: More evidence that you can have a liveable, welfare state or a police state to deal with all the criming that occurs when basic needs aren't met.


So...you think because people can't get an ambulance in an emergency that they will turn to crime instead? What are they going to do, steal healthcare?

It's like something out of a 1930s gangster movie.

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"You gonna patch him up doc, and if youse says a word abouts this to anyones, youse gonna be eating a lead sandwich"
 
PC LOAD LETTER [TotalFark]
2023-01-31 10:41:55 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Even Labour leader Kier Starmer says the 19% pay rise they're asking for is unrealistic and he wouldn't agree to it if he was in power. And doctors and nurses in countries across Europe are complaining about the exact same issues and going on strike, it's not just a UK thing.


There's that Tory indifference you crossed out so eagerly
 
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