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Original [TotalFark]
2023-01-30 10:47:10 PM  
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Imperfect Pixels [TotalFark]
2023-01-31 12:46:56 AM  
PC > console?
 
fragMasterFlash [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-31 1:51:33 AM  
Skip the hypefest and go develop something more interesting than yet another battle royale game.
 
RoyFokker'sGhost
2023-01-31 5:43:02 AM  
It's just going to be one long, continuous, Todd Howard presentation explaining how Starfield is the greatest video game in history
 
Cythraul
2023-01-31 5:43:13 AM  
Looks like the age of covid is putting an end to E3.  Didn't they cancel the expo the first year of the pandemic?  Too bad.  Never been to one, but from what I've heard and read, it was quite entertaining.
 
Cythraul
2023-01-31 5:44:48 AM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: It's just going to be one long, continuous, Todd Howard presentation explaining how Starfield is the greatest video game in history


And that alone would make it worth going to.  But only if they FARKING ANNOUNCE A RELEASE DATE!!!
 
Summoner101
2023-01-31 5:53:47 AM  

Imperfect Pixels: PC > console?


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Cythraul
2023-01-31 6:03:07 AM  

Summoner101: Imperfect Pixels: PC > console?

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Are there people who actually believe this?  That's kinda sad, if they do.

Last console I owned was the Sega Genesis (yes, I'm old).  I've only owned a PC since, but only because I can't afford multiple platforms, so I had to choose one.  If I had the income, I'd own all the major consoles along with my PC.

I'd have to get used to those controllers again, though.
 
Summoner101
2023-01-31 6:26:18 AM  
Considering the source is the guy taking the piss out of them, sure?

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EdgeRunner [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-31 6:26:40 AM  
Man, talk about vaporware. When are we finally going to get E4 and E5? Every year they just keep rereleasing the same old E3 with minor tweaks and upgrades! It's shameful!
 
Marcos P
2023-01-31 6:41:49 AM  
It's gonna be all cellphone games ahh noo
 
Alphax
2023-01-31 6:46:28 AM  
I don't think I've paid much attention to news out of E3 since the 90's, and I've been a Mac gamer all these years anyway.

Been a while since I've played a non-Blizzard game anyway.
 
AntonChigger
2023-01-31 7:01:12 AM  

Cythraul: Summoner101: Imperfect Pixels: PC > console?

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Are there people who actually believe this?  That's kinda sad, if they do.

Last console I owned was the Sega Genesis (yes, I'm old).  I've only owned a PC since, but only because I can't afford multiple platforms, so I had to choose one.  If I had the income, I'd own all the major consoles along with my PC.

I'd have to get used to those controllers again, though.


The PC has the highest ceiling, so to speak, in terms of game diversity, modding tools, graphics options, etc. However, the gap has narrowed quite a bit recently as consoles become more like pcs with each new generation.
 
Cyrene Valantion
2023-01-31 7:14:54 AM  
All three on Nintendo, Sony and Ms will be in the area of the e3 event at the time the event is on.

They just won't be in the convention hall itself.

Feels like this is more of a protest about how the new owners are running e3 than any desire to not be in LA that week.

(MS are literally running their stuff in the building next door)
 
PartTimeBuddha [OhFark]
2023-01-31 7:27:16 AM  

Summoner101: Imperfect Pixels: PC > console?

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People keep saying, "Glorious PC Master Race", but I can't help but feel this detracts from how glamorous and sexy we are. It's not all about the glory.
 
Gordon Bennett [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-31 7:33:09 AM  
Look forward to seeing the future of mobile phone gaming.

It's a free to play colour mixing match 3 deckbuilding city builder augmented reality gacha game, by the way.
 
kryptoknightmare
2023-01-31 7:45:27 AM  
I'll never understand how the gaming industry decided that a weeklong orgy of fan enthusiasm akin to a holiday and absurdly massive press coverage for their companies' marketing campaigns was not in their best interest to maintain
 
question_dj [TotalFark]
2023-01-31 7:49:03 AM  
Do those companies even have new consoles in development?

At least NVIDIA will have this nonsense to showcase:

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidias-quad-slot-geforce-rtx-4090ti-titan-800w-graphics-card-has-been-pictured
 
King Keepo
2023-01-31 7:49:55 AM  

Cythraul: Summoner101: Imperfect Pixels: PC > console?

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Are there people who actually believe this?  That's kinda sad, if they do.

Last console I owned was the Sega Genesis (yes, I'm old).  I've only owned a PC since, but only because I can't afford multiple platforms, so I had to choose one.  If I had the income, I'd own all the major consoles along with my PC.

I'd have to get used to those controllers again, though.


They're largely consoles with better hardware anyway (if that's all you use one for). Just fire it up, turn on the XBox One/PS5 controller and off you go. Occasionally you have to update graphics drivers and Windows Update but it's not like Playstation are shy of installing/updating/loading bars for every damn thing anyway. 

Purely anecdotal but my Win11 RTX3070 on a 43in Philips Ambilight 4K TV is very capable and lights up my admittedly small living room like a club. Time to play is very quick, most games come with controller support plus Gamepass and Steam are more than enough to keep me going forever. My only grumble would be the cost vs a console.
 
sniderman
2023-01-31 8:09:33 AM  
Has it ever had a point?
 
NeoCortex42 [TotalFark]
2023-01-31 8:52:10 AM  

sniderman: Has it ever had a point?


Back when it was more of a trade show, sure.  All of the big announcements were pretty much made at it.  But over the years, it's had competing shows gaining popularity (TGS, Gamescom, etc), plus the developers are also doing demonstrations/announcements at conventions like Pax or during The Game Awards.  E3 just isn't special anymore and has shifted into being a convention more than a trade show, although in that respect, it's far surpassed by the Pax shows.
 
LostOrNot [BareFark]
2023-01-31 8:52:43 AM  
It is cheaper for them to just stream on Twitch or YouTube when they want to make a big announcement. It never made financial sense for them to build huge presentations for games that haven't even begun production yet, but companies would still do it just to have a presence at the show.
 
moothemagiccow
2023-01-31 8:56:07 AM  
real talk - why the fark are you watching an electronics trade show?
you're watching ads for games that won't come out for another one to two goddamn years

log off and play the games you watched ads for two years ago. stop worrying about what is coming out. it's not worth thinking about until it's on the shelf at the store and 50% off
 
Cyrene Valantion
2023-01-31 8:56:33 AM  

kryptoknightmare: I'll never understand how the gaming industry decided that a weeklong orgy of fan enthusiasm akin to a holiday and absurdly massive press coverage for their companies' marketing campaigns was not in their best interest to maintain


video streaming basically killed it. It used to be that the most efficient way to get your stuff out to the press was to bring them all together on one place. I still remember e3 happening, and as a consumer not knowing what was said until the magazines came out later that month.

Then we got downloadable video in 320p, so you could wait a while then actually watch the trailers.

Once it became possible to stream it direct to consumers the idea of needing to get everyone together in a physical space for a live demo had decreasing appeal. Live demos go wrong, and lead to stuff like the 'avatar shoe" or "Wii music" moments, which while memorable for us were not great pr.

Nintendo were first to flip from live presentation to prerecorded with the nintendo directs, and everyone has basically followed suit.

Why do a weird live demo to press that you've had to fly into la when you record the thing and stream it in twitch whenever you feel like, cutting the press machine out entirely.
 
moothemagiccow
2023-01-31 9:00:56 AM  

kryptoknightmare: I'll never understand how the gaming industry decided that a weeklong orgy of fan enthusiasm akin to a holiday and absurdly massive press coverage for their companies' marketing campaigns was not in their best interest to maintain


because 
1) the whales are going to buy it anyway
2) nothing is actually sold during the 'orgy' (ugh look at yourself)
3) they can advertise on their own time and reach the same audiences
4) they have to compete for attention
 
vilesithknight
2023-01-31 9:05:02 AM  
E3 hasn't been E3 since they got rid of the booth babes.
 
HotWingConspiracy
2023-01-31 9:30:52 AM  
They can have their own hype events without the additional layer of working with whoever is running E3. I think covid may have permanently scrambled the math and marketing of trade shows.
 
skyotter
2023-01-31 9:53:32 AM  
Do you guys not have phones?
 
NeoCortex42 [TotalFark]
2023-01-31 10:10:45 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: They can have their own hype events without the additional layer of working with whoever is running E3. I think covid may have permanently scrambled the math and marketing of trade shows.


E3 was on the outs before covid.  Covid just accelerated the fark out of it.
 
WilderKWight
2023-01-31 10:19:14 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: They can have their own hype events without the additional layer of working with whoever is running E3. I think covid may have permanently scrambled the math and marketing of trade shows.


Yep. Microsoft does their biggest presentation directly on the Xbox now, with streaming video and integration of the viewer's gamertag to enter them in a contest to win something, or get a free copy of a game bundle, or some other incentive to watch.

I'm sure Sony does the same sort of thing.

Nintendo... Well, they suck at online everything, but I am willing to bet they do fine dropping a video on YouTube when they want to have their own big announcement or presentation.

E3 this year will be the year of the Steam Deck, which is fine with me. The more companies Gabe can get to make their PC games friendly to the Steam Deck (mainly by not including their own launchers like EA or RockStar do) the better all of PC gaming will be.

I love my Xbox Series X, but I play on my PC and Steam Deck more often. My Switch sits on a display shelf next to my other old portables.

I had a Switch OLED for a few days, but returned it when the Steam Deck became a better option for me. I bought the 64GB model, cannibalized an old laptop for a 512GB SSD, and tossed a 512GB SD card in it, and I'm very pleased with a 1TB portable gaming PC that runs Skyrim with lots of mods at 60 fps.
 
NeoCortex42 [TotalFark]
2023-01-31 10:25:34 AM  

WilderKWight: Nintendo... Well, they suck at online everything, but I am willing to bet they do fine dropping a video on YouTube when they want to have their own big announcement or presentation.


They regularly do Nintendo Directs and were well ahead of the curve compared to Microsoft and Sony in that respect.
 
Chemlight Battery
2023-01-31 10:30:58 AM  

NeoCortex42: WilderKWight: Nintendo... Well, they suck at online everything, but I am willing to bet they do fine dropping a video on YouTube when they want to have their own big announcement or presentation.

They regularly do Nintendo Directs and were well ahead of the curve compared to Microsoft and Sony in that respect.


Yeah, I was about to jump in here. Nintendo was not only the pioneer in that sort of thing with Nintendo Directs, they are still way ahead of the others in that area. Nintendo has been doing the Nintendo Direct successfully for... what, close to a decade now?
 
Chemlight Battery
2023-01-31 10:32:43 AM  

Chemlight Battery: NeoCortex42: WilderKWight: Nintendo... Well, they suck at online everything, but I am willing to bet they do fine dropping a video on YouTube when they want to have their own big announcement or presentation.

They regularly do Nintendo Directs and were well ahead of the curve compared to Microsoft and Sony in that respect.

Yeah, I was about to jump in here. Nintendo was not only the pioneer in that sort of thing with Nintendo Directs, they are still way ahead of the others in that area. Nintendo has been doing the Nintendo Direct successfully for... what, close to a decade now?


Addendum: Wikipedia tells me Nintendo has been doing the Nintendo Directs since 2011.
 
deadsanta
2023-01-31 11:07:13 AM  

kryptoknightmare: I'll never understand how the gaming industry decided that a weeklong orgy of fan enthusiasm akin to a holiday and absurdly massive press coverage for their companies' marketing campaigns was not in their best interest to maintain


I'm pretty sure this is a calculated move designed to starve the ESA of revenue and force them to spin off E3 to a private convention and keep the ESA as a focused lobby group, since according to the articles out there, the ESA has slowly morphed into an E3 profit-making-business while putting less and less of its human resources into industry stuff.  It's also had some fractious lobbying recently, like in favor of TFG's tax policies which I think put it at odds with much of the gaming industry, who don't care to take sides in political fights.

/just my 2c
 
Tom-Servo
2023-01-31 11:13:55 AM  
I wonder if they were trying to charge them a few Brazilian dollars for a booth and they all said fark it.
 
Joe_diGriz [BareFark]
2023-01-31 11:23:04 AM  

Cyrene Valantion: Once it became possible to stream it direct to consumers the idea of needing to get everyone together in a physical space for a live demo had decreasing appeal. Live demos go wrong, and lead to stuff like the 'avatar shoe" or "Wii music" moments, which while memorable for us were not great pr.


Or the glorious disaster that was the PS3 presentation. Or whatever the hell MS was trying to do when they showed of the XBox Kinect.

Besides, pre-recorded streams made it easy to do things like turn Reggie, Miyamoto, and Iwata (RIP) into puppets or Starfox character or whatever. Couldn't really do that live.
 
Lord Bear
2023-01-31 11:25:57 AM  
E3 used to be THE big convention, and nearly the only one.  These days there is a big one every few months.  Pax, gamescon, The Game Awards, various MS, Sony and Nintendo events etc.  There are even game announcements at the big comic con events.

The hype machine is pretty much unending these days.  E3 is now just a drop in the bucket.
 
Lumbar Puncture
2023-01-31 11:40:02 AM  

vilesithknight: E3 hasn't been E3 since they got rid of the booth babes.


Honestly back in the day they were just kind of in the way for the most part, might've been interesting for the viewer but at the show was just more people you had to walk around to get where you were going. Though some of the ones at the Japanese publisher booths managed to do some interpreting if there wasn't an interpreter around.

HotWingConspiracy: They can have their own hype events without the additional layer of working with whoever is running E3. I think covid may have permanently scrambled the math and marketing of trade shows.


Entertainment Software Association, the video game lobbying group, manage E3. Used to make up a big chunk of their budget. It always caused some internal conflict with them running a trade show/convention and their lobbying in terms of what they were supposed to be focused on, with it being canceled last year and this year the major platforms sitting out I wouldn't be shocked if there was a major reorg by the end of this year at the ESA.
 
Mad_Radhu
2023-01-31 12:10:39 PM  

AntonChigger: Cythraul: Summoner101: Imperfect Pixels: PC > console?

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Are there people who actually believe this?  That's kinda sad, if they do.

Last console I owned was the Sega Genesis (yes, I'm old).  I've only owned a PC since, but only because I can't afford multiple platforms, so I had to choose one.  If I had the income, I'd own all the major consoles along with my PC.

I'd have to get used to those controllers again, though.

The PC has the highest ceiling, so to speak, in terms of game diversity, modding tools, graphics options, etc. However, the gap has narrowed quite a bit recently as consoles become more like pcs with each new generation.


The big thing for me is that graphics card prices have gotten so outrageous that for the cost of a GeForce RTX 3070 Ti I can get an Xbox Series X or PS5 and still have money left over for a year of Game Pass/PlayStation Plus.

Hell, I have an Xbox Series S right now and games like Deathloop and Forza Horizon 5 run just fine and look perfectly good to me  it may be different when more games like Forspoken come out that are using newer, more demanding game engines, but I'm having plenty of fun being a cheap console owning peasant right now.
 
Mad_Radhu
2023-01-31 12:14:22 PM  

moothemagiccow: kryptoknightmare: I'll never understand how the gaming industry decided that a weeklong orgy of fan enthusiasm akin to a holiday and absurdly massive press coverage for their companies' marketing campaigns was not in their best interest to maintain

because 
1) the whales are going to buy it anyway
2) nothing is actually sold during the 'orgy' (ugh look at yourself)
3) they can advertise on their own time and reach the same audiences
4) they have to compete for attention


5) It allows them to write off lavish parties. I went to some pretty nice after hours parties hosted by my employers when I worked a booth at CES a few years.
 
RyansPrivates
2023-01-31 12:43:34 PM  

WilderKWight: HotWingConspiracy: They can have their own hype events without the additional layer of working with whoever is running E3. I think covid may have permanently scrambled the math and marketing of trade shows.

Yep. Microsoft does their biggest presentation directly on the Xbox now, with streaming video and integration of the viewer's gamertag to enter them in a contest to win something, or get a free copy of a game bundle, or some other incentive to watch.

I'm sure Sony does the same sort of thing.

Nintendo... Well, they suck at online everything, but I am willing to bet they do fine dropping a video on YouTube when they want to have their own big announcement or presentation.

E3 this year will be the year of the Steam Deck, which is fine with me. The more companies Gabe can get to make their PC games friendly to the Steam Deck (mainly by not including their own launchers like EA or RockStar do) the better all of PC gaming will be.

I love my Xbox Series X, but I play on my PC and Steam Deck more often. My Switch sits on a display shelf next to my other old portables.

I had a Switch OLED for a few days, but returned it when the Steam Deck became a better option for me. I bought the 64GB model, cannibalized an old laptop for a 512GB SSD, and tossed a 512GB SD card in it, and I'm very pleased with a 1TB portable gaming PC that runs Skyrim with lots of mods at 60 fps.


I literally have only played a few hours on my PC, XBone, PS4 in total since I got my Steam Deck. It's just so damned nice since I have such a huge steam library. The few things I don't (split between Epic, Ubisoft, Origin/EA, and GOG) I've gotten to work. (Though EA is the toughest because the launcher is shiat and keeps getting "updated" in such a way that I bet they are trying to ice out steam deck owners).  GOG and Epic work great with the Heroic Games Launcher, and Ubisoft is a bit of a one off since I bought most of those through steam anyway.
 
VaportrailFilms
2023-01-31 1:09:20 PM  

Alphax: I don't think I've paid much attention to news out of E3 since the 90's, and I've been a Mac gamer all these years anyway.

Been a while since I've played a non-Blizzard game anyway.


That's cuz they don't make those for Mac.
 
XanthPrime
2023-01-31 1:20:02 PM  
Did E3 organizers try offering them money?
 
RyansPrivates
2023-01-31 1:58:28 PM  

Mad_Radhu: moothemagiccow: kryptoknightmare: I'll never understand how the gaming industry decided that a weeklong orgy of fan enthusiasm akin to a holiday and absurdly massive press coverage for their companies' marketing campaigns was not in their best interest to maintain

because 
1) the whales are going to buy it anyway
2) nothing is actually sold during the 'orgy' (ugh look at yourself)
3) they can advertise on their own time and reach the same audiences
4) they have to compete for attention

5) It allows them to write off lavish parties. I went to some pretty nice after hours parties hosted by my employers when I worked a booth at CES a few years.


That's the truth. Never went to CES, but went to a few other big shows and the best parts were always the after hour parties. One year when I went to TechEd, the rented out the whole of Universal Studios with beer carts along the way. A whole bunch of nerds getting pissing drunk is not a sight I will soon forget.

Another time went to some conference here in Dallas (can't remember the name, it's been so long). There were competing parties in a couple of the "ball rooms" at the hotel and people were bouncing (sometimes stumbling) back and forth between them.
 
vilesithknight
2023-01-31 2:38:41 PM  

RyansPrivates: Mad_Radhu: moothemagiccow: kryptoknightmare: I'll never understand how the gaming industry decided that a weeklong orgy of fan enthusiasm akin to a holiday and absurdly massive press coverage for their companies' marketing campaigns was not in their best interest to maintain

because 
1) the whales are going to buy it anyway
2) nothing is actually sold during the 'orgy' (ugh look at yourself)
3) they can advertise on their own time and reach the same audiences
4) they have to compete for attention

5) It allows them to write off lavish parties. I went to some pretty nice after hours parties hosted by my employers when I worked a booth at CES a few years.

That's the truth. Never went to CES, but went to a few other big shows and the best parts were always the after hour parties. One year when I went to TechEd, the rented out the whole of Universal Studios with beer carts along the way. A whole bunch of nerds getting pissing drunk is not a sight I will soon forget.

Another time went to some conference here in Dallas (can't remember the name, it's been so long). There were competing parties in a couple of the "ball rooms" at the hotel and people were bouncing (sometimes stumbling) back and forth between them.


I used to make comic books for a living for a couple of decades, and I'd average going to about 20-30 comic conventions a year. I concur, the best thing about any of these things is the afterparties and the shenanigan's that go on in the hotels. Best show I ever attended...one that was sponsored by the Sugardale bacon people. The green room was a hotel suite where they had chefs that were cooking bacon based dishes all day, from like 6am till 8pm. All the celebrities and comic pros and exhibitors were constantly streaming into the room to constantly eat bacon. It was simply wonderful. I don't think Sugardale has sponsored a con since, I've been on the lookout lol. If I see them every come back to a con near me, I'll put out a re-release of some old book just so I can attend lol.
 
assjuice
2023-01-31 4:03:36 PM  

kryptoknightmare: I'll never understand how the gaming industry decided that a weeklong orgy of fan enthusiasm akin to a holiday and absurdly massive press coverage for their companies' marketing campaigns was not in their best interest to maintain


They miss the good old days when it was devs and publishers and press only.
 
Tom Marvolo Bombadil
2023-01-31 6:34:46 PM  

moothemagiccow: real talk - why the fark are you watching an electronics trade show?
you're watching ads for games that won't come out for another one to two goddamn years

log off and play the games you watched ads for two years ago. stop worrying about what is coming out. it's not worth thinking about until it's on the shelf at the store and 50% off


Hey, some of us just like buying games for our collection.  It feels good and makes us look cool to other nerds.  We're not going to waste time and effort actually playing them.  Yuck!
 
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