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aleister_greynight [TotalFark]
2023-01-30 6:16:17 PM  
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Mugato [TotalFark]
2023-01-30 9:11:03 PM  
Pull that Rascal Out.
 
AirForceVet [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-30 9:46:47 PM  
Good. Girls and women need to control their own reproductive health. They don't need religious zealots and corrupt politicians doing it against them.
 
The Headless Horseman's Headless Horse [TotalFark]
2023-01-30 11:37:22 PM  
If it weren't for the winter weather here it'd almost be the ideal place to live.
 
Weatherkiss [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-31 12:22:22 AM  
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WhiskeySticks
2023-01-31 12:23:09 AM  

The Headless Horseman's Headless Horse: If it weren't for the winter weather here it'd almost be the ideal place to live.


You get used to it. Builds character. Makes an abortion seem like a walk in the park.
 
Jim_Callahan
2023-01-31 12:24:30 AM  
Good.

States getting ahead of things by just adding more protected groups and activities to existing (and largely un-contestable) federal laws by way of their state constitutions is basically the one and only actual justification for the states existing as independent governmental entities in the first place.

It's basically the only thing they ever do that isn't either actively malicious or completely meaningless symbolic bullshiat.

// At least when you don't count things they do that are technically good, but have opportunity costs compared to the federal government running things that border on actively and intentionally harming their citizens, like running the primary education systems and building highways and shiat.
 
sonnyboy11 [TotalFark]
2023-01-31 12:24:41 AM  

AirForceVet: They don't need religious zealots and corrupt politicians doing it against them.


That's a lot of words to say Republican.
 
Yeast No 7
2023-01-31 12:26:37 AM  

The Headless Horseman's Headless Horse: If it weren't for the winter weather here it'd almost be the ideal place to live.


Being fed into a wood chipper is a deterrent.
 
LordJiro [OhFark]
2023-01-31 12:35:45 AM  
Bodily autonomy is, in fact, a fundamental human right, but America tends not to be fond of those anyway.
 
foo monkey
2023-01-31 12:37:51 AM  
Just like Congress did.
 
Senseless_drivel
2023-01-31 12:42:51 AM  

The Headless Horseman's Headless Horse: If it weren't for the winter weather here it'd almost be the ideal place to live.


You've got to roll with the seasons. What drives me up a tree are all the days where it's 38-45 degrees with rain or drizzle and there isn't shiat to do. I think the past two summer solstices were the first in years that were decent days. It'd be nice to plan a day on the lake or whatever and know it's going to happen. This is where I usually get into my Metrodome shpeel and how you could always count on a Twins game being played on time.

I'm online with co-workers that live down south quite a bit and I have to admit it'd be nice to trade those days for 72 and sunny.
 
Yeast No 7
2023-01-31 12:50:49 AM  
A 10thr, right?
 
acouvis
2023-01-31 12:51:59 AM  

WhiskeySticks: The Headless Horseman's Headless Horse: If it weren't for the winter weather here it'd almost be the ideal place to live.

You get used to it. Builds character. Makes an abortion seem like a walk in the park.


Until you get outstate... areas like New Ulm, Brainard etc and suddenly you're in thr area obsssed with Hunter Biden's laptop...
 
The Irresponsible Captain [TotalFark]
2023-01-31 1:08:48 AM  
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MikeyFuccon
2023-01-31 1:14:25 AM  
Good.

Dobbskicked the abortion question back to the states. The states that are actually decently governed are getting on with it.

The legislatures of the several states, regardless of partisan control, now have the task of finding abortion policies that will satisfy the median voters in their states and either hold up in their own state supreme courts, or be popular enough to allow a constitutional amendment to push it through---and be enforceable at non-prohibitive cost.

What the median voter will stand for will indeed vary from state to state. What we do know is that bans on abortions except to save the life of the mother have become rare in other advanced economies. Ireland was the last important holdout in western Europe. Ireland's current regulation (allowing elective abortions through 12 weeks) is stricter than US policy pre-Dobbsbut would be far more likely to be acceptable to the median voter in most US states than what the pro-lifers think they want.

One major reason for the change was simply that the Irish ban on abortion had become unenforceable in an era of cheap travel to the UK and abortion pills' making surgery unnecessary. The pro-lifers are about to find out that if their state's finest can't stop the trade in synthetic opioids, they'll have a real job stopping the flow of abortion pills into their state---much less of women of childbearing age in the opposite direction.
 
Roastbeast Sammich
2023-01-31 1:14:46 AM  
It should've been codified into a fundamental right decades ago.

Not long ago, I visited my parents in the US and they were both like "It's good that Roe was overturned, it was so poorly argued."

My reply was something like "nobody cares how it was argued 50 years ago! You have a few generations of people growing-up with a right that was taken away."

"It was poorly argued, though. It should've been decided by the states."

And I guess I had to remind him that he had a law school professor who thought that Brown v Board of Education was poorly argued as well, and schools should be "handled by the states," and his reply was "well, that was different."

Nobody outside the courtroom really cares how the logic gets chopped and how the hairs get split, but that's apparently what his generation of (moderates) was so upset about years ago. It really isn't the case that millions of young people are just going to smile and say "Ahhh, so this right I have was decided with a questionable argument! I see! I guess it's good to take my rights away..."
 
anuran
2023-01-31 1:20:42 AM  
Whar Hero Tag?
 
Lady J [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-31 1:28:07 AM  
well, there's a turn up for the books.

...at college, the Professor said Minnesota and snickered, like he was saying mooseturds...
-Garrison Keillor
(from memory)
 
10Speed
2023-01-31 1:28:41 AM  
I say a fetus should make its case for not being aborted and being allowed outside its mother's womb, much like an immigrant must make his or her case for being allowed into a country. If the fetus can't make its case, flush iat!
 
FatherChaos [TotalFark]
2023-01-31 1:32:11 AM  
Whereas southern states be like:

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/making me take a vaccine is TYRANNY, but forcing you to have a baby is FREEDOM
 
Ashraiel
2023-01-31 1:44:19 AM  
I love my state. When the Dems got control of all three branches of the state government they promised this would be one of the top priorities and they did not fark around--they delivered.
 
Lady J [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-31 1:48:44 AM  

FatherChaos: Whereas southern states be like:

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/making me take a vaccine is TYRANNY, but forcing you to have a baby is FREEDOM


lol, someone posted a cartoon on fark, laying the smackdown on da south- I think related to some racist statue malarkey.  stupidly I didn't dl it, but I screenshot the final panel- why it was time to start kicking down doors.  and the circled bit makes me loooll so much...

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SomeFarkinFarmgirl
2023-01-31 2:29:29 AM  
For all the Republicans who are whining that Minnesota will now start providing mass third-term abortions, I would like to remind them that there are only a couple abortion clinics in the whole country that provide those because every other abortion clinic is not set up to do what often qualifies as a surgical procedure. Also, women who have access to first- and second-term abortions never even consider waiting for a third-term abortion unless it's a case where either she is at risk or the fetus is not viable because no one wants to shell out $20K for a third-term abortion when they can just wait a month or two and drop the spawn off at the nearest fire station.
 
jst3p
2023-01-31 3:28:01 AM  

AirForceVet: Good. Girls and women need to control their own reproductive health. They don't need religious zealots and corrupt politicians anyone doing it against them.
 
Bennie Crabtree
2023-01-31 4:44:39 AM  
Yes, and it is covered by fundamental rights in the Canadian Charter. Good to see Minnesota catching up to us! :) We might bring democracy to the USA after all, as Leonard Cohen suggested.
 
MikeyFuccon
2023-01-31 4:48:19 AM  
Roastbeast Sammich:

There were other approaches SCOTUS might have taken with Roe.

The original finding in a Texas appeals court (upheld by SCOTUS) for Roe and her co-defendants, a married couple dubbed John and Jane Doe, took the line that per the Ninth Amendment, the list of rights in the Constitution was not exhaustive and the onus was on the state of Texas to demonstrate if and how the right of women (married or not) to decide whether or not to have children ought to be infringed, which, in the view of the court, the state had failed to do.

If you want to infringe my freedom of action, in short, you'd better have a good reason for it (such as the rights of another human being) and be able to explain and defend it. No marks for "Baby Jebus" or "Well gosh, don't her man need to know if she was messing around with a Colored? A man's got a right to not let a broad make a monkey out of him, don't he?"

The SCOTUS ruling instead used a creative interpretation of the due process clause in the Fourteenth Amendment. It was easy for the conservatives to argue, keeping a more or less straight face, that the Fourteenth was added to address a question completely unrelated to abortion---namely the systematic infringement of the constitutional rights of freedmen by former Confederate states just after the Civil War.

By itself, the Fourteenth had failed in practice to guarantee the rights of Black Americans (or women of any race) to vote or sit in state legislatures, never mind to decide whether or not to have children.

If Roe had used the Ninth, whose purpose was to clarify that the list of rights in the Constitution was not exhaustive, the "intents of the authors" card would have been harder to play.
 
mistahtom
2023-01-31 5:08:31 AM  
Red states are fascist crypts.
 
qorkfiend
2023-01-31 5:48:01 AM  

Roastbeast Sammich: It should've been codified into a fundamental right decades ago.

Not long ago, I visited my parents in the US and they were both like "It's good that Roe was overturned, it was so poorly argued."

My reply was something like "nobody cares how it was argued 50 years ago! You have a few generations of people growing-up with a right that was taken away."

"It was poorly argued, though. It should've been decided by the states."

And I guess I had to remind him that he had a law school professor who thought that Brown v Board of Education was poorly argued as well, and schools should be "handled by the states," and his reply was "well, that was different."

Nobody outside the courtroom really cares how the logic gets chopped and how the hairs get split, but that's apparently what his generation of (moderates) was so upset about years ago. It really isn't the case that millions of young people are just going to smile and say "Ahhh, so this right I have was decided with a questionable argument! I see! I guess it's good to take my rights away..."


If it has to be codified then it's not a fundamental right.
 
Murkanen
2023-01-31 6:23:37 AM  
qorkfiend:

If it has to be codified then it's not a fundamental right.

"There's no such thing as a fundamental right" is certainly a take.
 
DarnoKonrad
2023-01-31 6:27:01 AM  

Ashraiel: I love my state. When the Dems got control of all three branches of the state government they promised this would be one of the top priorities and they did not fark around--they delivered.


can. . .can your state annex the rest of us?
 
snowshovel
2023-01-31 6:39:52 AM  
So much for the interstate commerce clause
 
Dr. DJ Duckhunt [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-31 6:59:02 AM  

The Headless Horseman's Headless Horse: If it weren't for the winter weather here it'd almost be the ideal place to live.


The winter keeps some of the assholes away.
 
RedZoneTuba [TotalFark]
2023-01-31 7:42:24 AM  
Can't wait for all the conservatives to praise this exemplary exercise of state's rights that they always push.
 
The Headless Horseman's Headless Horse [TotalFark]
2023-01-31 8:27:27 AM  

WhiskeySticks: The Headless Horseman's Headless Horse: If it weren't for the winter weather here it'd almost be the ideal place to live.

You get used to it. Builds character. Makes an abortion seem like a walk in the park.


I've been here my entire life. It's not any easier.
 
Gergesa
2023-01-31 8:47:59 AM  
R's aren't pro life, they are pro birth.
 
XanthPrime
2023-01-31 8:49:28 AM  

AirForceVet: Good. Girls and women need to control their own reproductive health. They don't need religious zealots and corrupt politicians doing it against them.


Side effect of abortion: Providing experience to doctors for when pregnancy goes wrong and there are miscarriages.  Increasing survival rates from miscarriages.
Also then doctors are less likely to be sued over assisting miscarriages by Texas and Alabama.
 
PirateKing [OhFark]
2023-01-31 8:53:01 AM  
Still misses the point that 'rights' are yours whether they're written down or not. The question at hand is not whether a woman must carry a fetus to term against her wishes. The question is whether anyone else has any authority at all to tell her what she must do with her body.

Roe was about the government not having the power to outlaw abortion because it violated basic rights for them to even know about it.

We keep phrasing it as if the decision was about what individuals are allowed to do, when these decisions are about what others are allowed to do to you.
 
WhiskeySticks
2023-01-31 9:03:46 AM  

The Headless Horseman's Headless Horse: WhiskeySticks: The Headless Horseman's Headless Horse: If it weren't for the winter weather here it'd almost be the ideal place to live.

You get used to it. Builds character. Makes an abortion seem like a walk in the park.

I've been here my entire life. It's not any easier.


Abortions or winters?
 
ThomasPaineTrain [TotalFark]
2023-01-31 9:05:15 AM  

DarnoKonrad: Ashraiel: I love my state. When the Dems got control of all three branches of the state government they promised this would be one of the top priorities and they did not fark around--they delivered.

can. . .can your state annex the rest of us?


No.
 
Muta
2023-01-31 9:11:27 AM  

Senseless_drivel: The Headless Horseman's Headless Horse: If it weren't for the winter weather here it'd almost be the ideal place to live.

You've got to roll with the seasons. What drives me up a tree are all the days where it's 38-45 degrees with rain or drizzle and there isn't shiat to do. I think the past two summer solstices were the first in years that were decent days. It'd be nice to plan a day on the lake or whatever and know it's going to happen. This is where I usually get into my Metrodome shpeel and how you could always count on a Twins game being played on time.

I'm online with co-workers that live down south quite a bit and I have to admit it'd be nice to trade those days for 72 and sunny.


It is easy for Floridians to boast about their weather in late January.  Summers in the Great Lakes region is better than the summers in the Gulf states.  Since we get daylight until 10:00 in June, weather up here is better, on average, than weather down south.
 
The Headless Horseman's Headless Horse [TotalFark]
2023-01-31 9:22:59 AM  

WhiskeySticks: The Headless Horseman's Headless Horse: WhiskeySticks: The Headless Horseman's Headless Horse: If it weren't for the winter weather here it'd almost be the ideal place to live.

You get used to it. Builds character. Makes an abortion seem like a walk in the park.

I've been here my entire life. It's not any easier.

Abortions or winters?


Winters.
 
Muta
2023-01-31 9:27:10 AM  

Roastbeast Sammich: It should've been codified into a fundamental right decades ago.

Not long ago, I visited my parents in the US and they were both like "It's good that Roe was overturned, it was so poorly argued."

My reply was something like "nobody cares how it was argued 50 years ago! You have a few generations of people growing-up with a right that was taken away."

"It was poorly argued, though. It should've been decided by the states."

And I guess I had to remind him that he had a law school professor who thought that Brown v Board of Education was poorly argued as well, and schools should be "handled by the states," and his reply was "well, that was different."

Nobody outside the courtroom really cares how the logic gets chopped and how the hairs get split, but that's apparently what his generation of (moderates) was so upset about years ago. It really isn't the case that millions of young people are just going to smile and say "Ahhh, so this right I have was decided with a questionable argument! I see! I guess it's good to take my rights away..."


In Michigan, a right to abortion access was recently voted into the constitution.  The commercials that were countering the right to access were, "The new law is to confusing and radical."  The message they were sending wasn't that they were against the abortion law but they would be for it if there were some changes made.  We know that is BS but the message is a little softer than the "I am against abortion even if it result is a slow painful death of the mother."  I think you're parent received a similar message.
 
Ashraiel
2023-01-31 9:44:28 AM  

DarnoKonrad: Ashraiel: I love my state. When the Dems got control of all three branches of the state government they promised this would be one of the top priorities and they did not fark around--they delivered.

can. . .can your state annex the rest of us?


Sorry, we're too busy petitioning Canada to adopt us in trade for Alberta. XD
 
The Envoy
2023-01-31 9:48:30 AM  
Bodily autonomy is a fundamental human right.  It shouldn't be decided or governed by anybody, let alone a bunch of men in a misogynistic society, and it doesn't make a bit of difference that those wig-wearing wankers didn't write it down on a piece of paper

If you don't get that, f*ck you.
 
I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-31 10:10:15 AM  
SCOTUS will override the moment they can because States Rights mean Only the GOP can have States Rights.
 
Rigby-Reardon
2023-01-31 10:28:52 AM  

The Headless Horseman's Headless Horse: WhiskeySticks: The Headless Horseman's Headless Horse: WhiskeySticks: The Headless Horseman's Headless Horse: If it weren't for the winter weather here it'd almost be the ideal place to live.

You get used to it. Builds character. Makes an abortion seem like a walk in the park.

I've been here my entire life. It's not any easier.

Abortions or winters?

Winters.


I get where you are coming from, but you're wrong. It's bad but all you need to do is have guests in from further south. A couple days of hearing them whine about the cold and you can see how much of a tolerance you've built up.
 
Aquapope
2023-01-31 10:52:23 AM  

Rigby-Reardon: The Headless Horseman's Headless Horse: WhiskeySticks: The Headless Horseman's Headless Horse: WhiskeySticks: The Headless Horseman's Headless Horse: If it weren't for the winter weather here it'd almost be the ideal place to live.

You get used to it. Builds character. Makes an abortion seem like a walk in the park.

I've been here my entire life. It's not any easier.

Abortions or winters?

Winters.

I get where you are coming from, but you're wrong. It's bad but all you need to do is have guests in from further south. A couple days of hearing them whine about the cold and you can see how much of a tolerance you've built up.


It works in reverse, too.  Michigan people down south (all the way south in Kansas City), griping about 92 degrees like the Van Allen radiation belt is on fire and we're all 10 minutes away from extra crispy gets real old.
 
acouvis
2023-01-31 12:01:59 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: Yes, and it is covered by fundamental rights in the Canadian Charter. Good to see Minnesota catching up to us! :) We might bring democracy to the USA after all, as Leonard Cohen suggested.


Canada doesn't get a pass for Ted Cruz.
 
Al Tsheimers
2023-01-31 12:09:01 PM  

The Headless Horseman's Headless Horse: WhiskeySticks: The Headless Horseman's Headless Horse: If it weren't for the winter weather here it'd almost be the ideal place to live.

You get used to it. Builds character. Makes an abortion seem like a walk in the park.

I've been here my entire life. It's not any easier.


That is true, and now that I am old, throwing the snow over 5ft. banks along the driveway sucks. However, I tell myself that the 2 weeks of spring, and 2 weeks of fall, are unbeatable. I trade winter for clean water and air (if you ever have visitors from another country, get a glass of water from your faucet, and drink it. They will get bug-eyed and say "you can do that?"). Even during a drought year, we have plenty of water. We have occasional tornadoes, but we don't have hurricanes, mudslides, or earthquakes. Flooding is usually limited to the Red River valley. We don't have kudzu or manchineel, although Dutch Elm Disease and Emerald Ash Borer have worked us over pretty good. We don't have termites, fire ants, Africanized bees, scorpions, or a lot of venomous snakes and spiders. Some days I think we deserve our own Fark tag, but most days I think we are under quota. When the Democrats are in control, it is a good place to live.
 
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