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(WFLA Tampa Bay)   Florida taking the first steps to become 26th constitutional carry state. Surely with all the olds in the state nothing could possibly go wrong   (wfla.com) divider line
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991 clicks; posted to Politics » on 31 Jan 2023 at 2:05 AM (8 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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vudukungfu [TotalFark]
2023-01-30 8:43:50 PM  
Just another reason to stay out of Florida
 
AirForceVet [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-30 8:45:25 PM  
Now I'll be able to conceal carry between Alabama and Florida seamlessly. Unless they designate that only for loyal Republicans.
 
Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste
2023-01-30 9:45:17 PM  
There's nothing constitutional about carrying a weapon in any fashion. The Second Amendment pertains only to militias. Stop using the rhetoric of those who want to keep us alarmed and unsafe.
 
dstanley [TotalFark]
2023-01-30 10:53:15 PM  
How to treat a gunshot wound
 
edmo [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-30 11:03:59 PM  

AirForceVet: Now I'll be able to conceal carry between Alabama and Florida seamlessly. Unless they designate that only for loyal Republicans.


Or...

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King Something [TotalFark]
2023-01-30 11:53:36 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: There's nothing constitutional about carrying a weapon in any fashion. The Second Amendment pertains only to militias. Stop using the rhetoric of those who want to keep us alarmed and unsafe.


Difficulty: Among those who want to keep us alarmed and unsafe are 5 or 6 of the 9 arbiters of what is or isn't constitutional, and their most recent ruling on the subject (admittedly nearly two decades ago) was that the "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!!!1!!111!!one!" part is more important than the "well-regulated militia" part. We're one bad ruling away from nationwide open carry and all states being forced to change from "may issue" or "shall issue" to "must issue".


/also the precedent set by the Dobbs ruling -- denying the right to an abortion on the grounds that it isn't explicitly granted, despite the plain text of the 9th Amendment saying that rights cannot be denied on the grounds that they aren't explicitly granted; means that the plain text of the Constitution means what a majority of the Supreme Court says it means, and not necessarily what the actual text itself says
 
fragMasterFlash [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-31 2:08:41 AM  
How are you supposed to spot the dangerous 90 year old drivers when everyone is driving like crap because they are trying to reload?
 
GardenWeasel [TotalFark]
2023-01-31 2:11:55 AM  
CC is simply more justification for police to shoot minorities w/o penalty. "But he COULD have had a gun."
 
Gyrfalcon [TotalFark]
2023-01-31 2:12:24 AM  
Given the spike in mass shootings and homicides in open carry/concealed carry states, I'm not sure why they want to, but go right ahead. Even my sister and conservative brother-in-law are starting to talk secession, so we can let those idiot red states shoot themselves out of the Union.
 
Yeast No 7
2023-01-31 2:14:11 AM  
Woohoo!

More dead people.

Yay.
 
Alien Robot
2023-01-31 2:14:55 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Given the spike in mass shootings and homicides in open carry/concealed carry states,...


Citation needed.
 
Alien Robot
2023-01-31 2:17:12 AM  

King Something: despite the plain text of the 9th Amendment saying that rights cannot be denied on the grounds that they aren't explicitly granted


"The right of Alien Robot to be given a living wage by King Something shall not be denied."

You owe me $45.000 PA.
 
monsatano [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-31 2:23:33 AM  

Alien Robot: Gyrfalcon: Given the spike in mass shootings and homicides in open carry/concealed carry states,...

Citation needed.


This is bait for the "CCW permits and people who were open carrying didn't do that crime!", while neglecting to mention the fact that guns in states that have lax CCW/open carry laws also make it insanely easy to buy guns - especially when it comes to rifles, where an FFL transfer isn't required to the buyer's home state
 
Dahnkster [TotalFark]
2023-01-31 2:28:22 AM  
Florida... The Gunshine State
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tembaarmswide [TotalFark]
2023-01-31 2:29:55 AM  
Anyone fishing today?  Lots of bait strewn about up in here.
 
monsatano [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-31 2:30:34 AM  

monsatano: Alien Robot: Gyrfalcon: Given the spike in mass shootings and homicides in open carry/concealed carry states,...

Citation needed.

This is bait for the "CCW permits and people who were open carrying didn't do that crime!", while neglecting to mention the fact that guns in states that have lax CCW/open carry laws also make it insanely easy to buy guns - especially when it comes to rifles, where an FFL transfer isn't required to the buyer's home state


Also - FFL transfer law should apply to every firearm purchased by an out-of-state resident, and the gun show loophole needs to be closed
 
misantropo
2023-01-31 2:30:55 AM  
If you are a republican, go fark yourself with a red hot poker then fark off into oblivion.
 
TedCruz'sCrazyDad
2023-01-31 2:39:49 AM  
Prediction 2024:  The Villages will be the scene of multiple mass murders as crotchety old 80 year olds defend their lawns from those damn hippies.
 
mistahtom
2023-01-31 2:52:05 AM  
Never take on a mass shooter by yourself.   But if you and another person are going to, only do this if the opportunity presents itself.

Decide which person is going after the shooter and which person is going after the firearm.
 
Jiggatron69
2023-01-31 3:04:13 AM  
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alienated
2023-01-31 3:05:38 AM  

mistahtom: Never take on a mass shooter by yourself.   But if you and another person are going to, only do this if the opportunity presents itself.

Decide which person is going after the shooter and which person is going after the firearm.


Some days I try and figure out what went wrong with your brain during initial development versus formative years and then I go " oh right , it doesnt matter "
 
OptimisticCynicism [BareFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-31 3:14:56 AM  

GardenWeasel: CC is simply more justification for police to shoot minorities w/o penalty. "But he COULD have had a gun."


Afaik, cops tend to oppose the policy. I don't doubt some consider that a nice side-effect though.
 
Unscratchable_Itch
2023-01-31 3:26:42 AM  
Back in my day, you might-a-been be worried about violent criminals and crazy people. Now you have to be worried about law abiding citizens who might just be having a bad day.
 
Shaggy_C
2023-01-31 3:29:10 AM  
A weak, half measure. Why didn't they go all the way for full freedom?

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Shaggy_C
2023-01-31 3:30:32 AM  

Unscratchable_Itch: Back in my day, you might-a-been be worried about violent criminals and crazy people. Now you have to be worried about law abiding citizens who might just be having a bad day.


On the other hand, cosplaying Falling Down is a lot harder if you can't do a weapons upgrade by stealing the gun from each person you assault throughout the day.
 
Alphax
2023-01-31 3:41:56 AM  

Unscratchable_Itch: Back in my day, you might-a-been be worried about violent criminals and crazy people. Now you have to be worried about law abiding citizens who might just be having a bad day.


'Law abiding'.  Lots of those think that laws do not apply to them at all.
 
Dryad
2023-01-31 3:45:11 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: The Second Amendment pertains only to militias.


If you want to restrict guns, there are lots of entirely valid arguments why we REALLY need to do that.  As soon as possible.
However, opening with the one argument that the majority of the population, state legislatures, judges, and generations of established law disagrees with is probably not the most compelling or effective place to start.
 
Alphax
2023-01-31 3:46:19 AM  

Dryad: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: The Second Amendment pertains only to militias.

If you want to restrict guns, there are lots of entirely valid arguments why we REALLY need to do that.  As soon as possible.
However, opening with the one argument that the majority of the population, state legislatures, judges, and generations of established law disagrees with is probably not the most compelling or effective place to start.


But it IS the heart of the problem.
 
jackandwater
2023-01-31 3:47:54 AM  
Ohio has had this since June '22.  I'll be 70 this year and walk with a cane.  So I carry a .38 loaded with hollow points.  I'm a firm believer in "F*ck with me then it's a must that I f*ck with you." - Dr. Dre.  But I don't go looking for trouble.
 
Dryad
2023-01-31 3:55:55 AM  

Alphax: Dryad: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: The Second Amendment pertains only to militias.

If you want to restrict guns, there are lots of entirely valid arguments why we REALLY need to do that.  As soon as possible.
However, opening with the one argument that the majority of the population, state legislatures, judges, and generations of established law disagrees with is probably not the most compelling or effective place to start.

But it IS the heart of the problem.


I almost see it more as a distraction - We have existing tools to restrict and regulate without needing to fight over the currently established meaning of that phrase. Its not currently a roadblock to anything.
Not saying it shouldn't be changed, but it does not appear to be any kind of priority to do so, as its interpretation doesn't in any way affect any of the current pathways for regulation.
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It is an impediment to banning all civilian ownership, but as a country we are a LONG way from that. So even if bans are the goal, it is only a roadblock to step 95 of 100. Since we are at step one, let's start with the first dozen or so steps first, to which the interpretation of that clause is simply not relevant at all.
 
leeksfromchichis [TotalFark]
2023-01-31 3:58:08 AM  

Alphax: Dryad: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: The Second Amendment pertains only to militias.

If you want to restrict guns, there are lots of entirely valid arguments why we REALLY need to do that.  As soon as possible.
However, opening with the one argument that the majority of the population, state legislatures, judges, and generations of established law disagrees with is probably not the most compelling or effective place to start.

But it IS the heart of the problem.


It's a subordinate clause.  The Amendment is a limitation on congress, not a mandate/restriction that only militias can "keep and bear arms"

Considering we have had a standing army for centuries, and no longer need everyone to come runnin', hopefully with their own gear,  if Canadians march south again, we should probably consider revisiting the Amendment's existence and or wording via convention, but ... *gestures vaguely at red states and the compromised supreme court*

Best to stop banging your head against the path that doesn't work and try a different angle.
 
Dryad
2023-01-31 4:04:29 AM  

leeksfromchichis: Alphax: Dryad: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: The Second Amendment pertains only to militias.

If you want to restrict guns, there are lots of entirely valid arguments why we REALLY need to do that.  As soon as possible.
However, opening with the one argument that the majority of the population, state legislatures, judges, and generations of established law disagrees with is probably not the most compelling or effective place to start.

But it IS the heart of the problem.

It's a subordinate clause.  The Amendment is a limitation on congress, not a mandate/restriction that only militias can "keep and bear arms"

Considering we have had a standing army for centuries, and no longer need everyone to come runnin', hopefully with their own gear,  if Canadians march south again, we should probably consider revisiting the Amendment's existence and or wording via convention, but ... *gestures vaguely at red states and the compromised supreme court*

Best to stop banging your head against the path that doesn't work and try a different angle.


Precisely. Choosing a pathway that has any chance of success seems to be a smarter move than choosing the path that, while currently impossible, is most aesthetically pleasing or ideologically pure
 
leeksfromchichis [TotalFark]
2023-01-31 4:15:23 AM  

Dryad: leeksfromchichis: Alphax: Dryad: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: The Second Amendment pertains only to militias.

If you want to restrict guns, there are lots of entirely valid arguments why we REALLY need to do that.  As soon as possible.
However, opening with the one argument that the majority of the population, state legislatures, judges, and generations of established law disagrees with is probably not the most compelling or effective place to start.

But it IS the heart of the problem.

It's a subordinate clause.  The Amendment is a limitation on congress, not a mandate/restriction that only militias can "keep and bear arms"

Considering we have had a standing army for centuries, and no longer need everyone to come runnin', hopefully with their own gear,  if Canadians march south again, we should probably consider revisiting the Amendment's existence and or wording via convention, but ... *gestures vaguely at red states and the compromised supreme court*

Best to stop banging your head against the path that doesn't work and try a different angle.

Precisely. Choosing a pathway that has any chance of success seems to be a smarter move than choosing the path that, while currently impossible, is most aesthetically pleasing or ideologically pure


It's also a terrible idea to worry at the militia clause because let's say someone actually got that idea to this Court successfully.

Now only groups like The Proud Boys and their ilk can have guns. Not exactly a W.
 
Alphax
2023-01-31 4:35:37 AM  

leeksfromchichis: Now only groups like The Proud Boys and their ilk can have guns. Not exactly a W.


They are a terrorist group.
 
dodecahedron [OhFark]
2023-01-31 4:41:31 AM  
So many of my friends living here are moving out of state. There's just this creepy feeling that this DeSantis era isn't temporary. I admit giving it serious thought as well.
 
leeksfromchichis [TotalFark]
2023-01-31 4:49:13 AM  

Alphax: leeksfromchichis: Now only groups like The Proud Boys and their ilk can have guns. Not exactly a W.

They are a terrorist group.


They are because they were the fall guys for TFG's coup attempt.

How many other groups just like them are out there that weren't tapped and are just waiting in the wings to be called upon?
 
bighairyguy [TotalFark]
2023-01-31 4:55:27 AM  
Florida's status as #1 Fark headline state is being challenged by Texas and Ohio, but this should help keep them on top.
 
A snake wearing a sweater
2023-01-31 5:01:27 AM  
Florida has an overpopulation problem, maybe this is meant to help alleviate that.
 
Neondistraction
2023-01-31 5:04:42 AM  

leeksfromchichis: Dryad: leeksfromchichis: Alphax: Dryad: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: The Second Amendment pertains only to militias.

If you want to restrict guns, there are lots of entirely valid arguments why we REALLY need to do that.  As soon as possible.
However, opening with the one argument that the majority of the population, state legislatures, judges, and generations of established law disagrees with is probably not the most compelling or effective place to start.

But it IS the heart of the problem.

It's a subordinate clause.  The Amendment is a limitation on congress, not a mandate/restriction that only militias can "keep and bear arms"

Considering we have had a standing army for centuries, and no longer need everyone to come runnin', hopefully with their own gear,  if Canadians march south again, we should probably consider revisiting the Amendment's existence and or wording via convention, but ... *gestures vaguely at red states and the compromised supreme court*

Best to stop banging your head against the path that doesn't work and try a different angle.

Precisely. Choosing a pathway that has any chance of success seems to be a smarter move than choosing the path that, while currently impossible, is most aesthetically pleasing or ideologically pure

It's also a terrible idea to worry at the militia clause because let's say someone actually got that idea to this Court successfully.

Now only groups like The Proud Boys and their ilk can have guns. Not exactly a W.


I'd assume if they went that direction they'd also lean pretty hard into the 'well-regulated' part of the amendment, and that's not a phrase I'd use to describe The Proud Boys.

/ meal team 6 and the gravy seals, yes
// well-regulated, no
/// oh, and y'all qaeda
 
OilfieldDrunk [TotalFark]
2023-01-31 6:31:48 AM  
Goofy requests body armor
 
3rd world republipuke
2023-01-31 6:59:00 AM  
10 new graves in Floriduh this morning.
 
Turbo Cojones
2023-01-31 6:59:08 AM  
I wonder if property owners will be able to restrict open carry on their premises.  DeSantis would Campaign for a bill specifically to hurt Disney.  Vindictive tool.
 
Halfabee64
2023-01-31 7:05:46 AM  
Extra Crazy

NOW WITH GUNS!
 
FormlessOne
2023-01-31 7:10:10 AM  
Huh. I wonder how that old white rich couple who moved to Sarasota and bragged about it in Business Insider feels about that?

It's weird how that article focused on cheap rent while living around "a lot of Midwesterners" but didn't mention that Sarasota is one of the top five cities in the nation for gun-suicide deaths. Guess a lot of Midwesterners like the taste after living in Florida for a while...
 
Odin's Other Eye
2023-01-31 7:13:28 AM  

jackandwater: Ohio has had this since June '22.  I'll be 70 this year and walk with a cane.  So I carry a .38 loaded with hollow points.  I'm a firm believer in "F*ck with me then it's a must that I f*ck with you." - Dr. Dre.  But I don't go looking for trouble.


And that's why I don't live in the US, and especially Ohio.
 
FormlessOne
2023-01-31 7:17:10 AM  

jackandwater: Ohio has had this since June '22.  I'll be 70 this year and walk with a cane.  So I carry a .38 loaded with hollow points.  I'm a firm believer in "F*ck with me then it's a must that I f*ck with you." - Dr. Dre.  But I don't go looking for trouble.


"I'm 70 can't stand on my own, but I carry a gun" is not a comfort, least of all to yourself given the rate of self-injury and suicide deaths from firearms.
 
FormlessOne
2023-01-31 7:17:31 AM  
Neat - dropped my ampersand for some reason...
 
amigafin [BareFark]
2023-01-31 7:34:47 AM  
I just finished a 5 year renovation of my house and have it just the way I like it. I'm three years away from retirement from my job, have a nice piece of land with a cool shop to work in, and these assholes here in Florida are going off the deep end SO FAR that they are going to make me have to move.  Bastards.
 
NM Volunteer [TotalFark]
2023-01-31 7:43:35 AM  

leeksfromchichis: It's a subordinate clause. The Amendment is a limitation on congress, not a mandate/restriction that only militias can "keep and bear arms"


Although it didn't limit states at all from establishing their own limitations on keeping and bearing arms.  It only applied to Congress.

The 14th Amendment made the Bill of Rights apply to states as well.
 
LarryDan43
2023-01-31 7:45:51 AM  
Finally Naked Florida Man can defend himself.
 
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