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(Abc.net.au)   France and Australia to supply Russia with several thousand 155mm artillery shells. They'll be sent via Ukraine, and arrive a few at a time   (abc.net.au) divider line
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fragMasterFlash [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-30 3:23:09 PM  
Time to start building Claymores marked FRONT TOWARD RUSSIA?
 
aleister_greynight [TotalFark]
2023-01-30 3:41:30 PM  
Christmas is coming early this year.
 
maumau the flakcatcher
2023-01-30 3:50:55 PM  
(Some assemble required)
 
Gonz
2023-01-30 3:51:06 PM  
Sunflower seeds.
 
maumau the flakcatcher
2023-01-30 3:51:26 PM  
-assembly-
dang it
 
watching the trump puddle dry
2023-01-30 3:54:50 PM  
We all rip on fark and the french, but the truth is we love em both
 
Wessoman
2023-01-30 3:55:45 PM  
That's really nice of France and Australia. What a heartwarmingexploding gift.
 
Somaticasual [TotalFark]
2023-01-30 3:56:38 PM  
So many end-user mishaps in a row....
<sigh>
Well, it's bound to happen by the numbers....
 
watching the trump puddle dry
2023-01-30 3:57:23 PM  
I'm looking for the next Charlie de gaul, where are you ya proud bastards
 
freakdiablo [TotalFark]
2023-01-30 3:57:30 PM  
Simply look for the packages marked, "Dear Grid Coordinates".
 
watching the trump puddle dry
2023-01-30 4:01:28 PM  
If Russia is leftist today then I look like hasselhoff
 
Norwegian Squirrel
2023-01-30 4:02:00 PM  
"To whom it may concern"
 
Tarl3k
2023-01-30 4:02:51 PM  
I laughed, well done subby. ;)
 
wxboy
2023-01-30 4:04:53 PM  
Signature not required for delivery.
 
SomeAmerican
2023-01-30 4:07:29 PM  
The numbers make no sense.

The article says "several thousand 155mm shells will be manufactured jointly", and that "the plan would come with a multi-million-dollar price tag".

OK, several thousand shells for several million dollars, so about $1k per shell.  That's... about right for NATO ammo actually.  That all lines up so far.

But here's the part that makes no sense.  Ukraine uses 5k to 7k artillery shells PER DAY.  So this big announcement is making a big fuss over about half a day's worth of artillery ammo.
 
BitwiseShift
2023-01-30 4:14:17 PM  
Putin will have to get Mexico to pay for them.  Otherwise he may have to lay off some Congressmen just to make the down payment.
 
watching the trump puddle dry
2023-01-30 4:15:26 PM  
You know what I can't figure out, why didn't Putin start his Ukraine invasion in 2018, maybe just hubris, smarter people than me tell me it's because he couldn't get everything place for a major war effort, seems like a smart guy would have pulled the trigger though, maybe not, stay on guard against that rude taker anyway
 
SomeAmerican
2023-01-30 4:16:26 PM  

SomeAmerican: The numbers make no sense.

The article says "several thousand 155mm shells will be manufactured jointly", and that "the plan would come with a multi-million-dollar price tag".

OK, several thousand shells for several million dollars, so about $1k per shell.  That's... about right for NATO ammo actually.  That all lines up so far.

But here's the part that makes no sense.  Ukraine uses 5k to 7k artillery shells PER DAY.  So this big announcement is making a big fuss over about half a day's worth of artillery ammo.


... maybe - although the article never says so - they mean this is a monthly delivery?  It's still a really small #, but several thousand a month would at least be ~ 1.5% of what's needed.  Every little bit counts.
 
DuneClimber
2023-01-30 4:19:59 PM  
To Russia with love.
 
watching the trump puddle dry
2023-01-30 4:21:04 PM  

watching the trump puddle dry: You know what I can't figure out, why didn't Putin start his Ukraine invasion in 2018, maybe just hubris, smarter people than me tell me it's because he couldn't get everything place for a major war effort, seems like a smart guy would have pulled the trigger though, maybe not, stay on guard against that rude taker anyway


Those two extra years and he mustered up Wagner group... and rule by sledgehammer, not a good way to keep your society on board
 
hardinparamedic [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-30 4:22:38 PM  

watching the trump puddle dry: You know what I can't figure out, why didn't Putin start his Ukraine invasion in 2018, maybe just hubris, smarter people than me tell me it's because he couldn't get everything place for a major war effort, seems like a smart guy would have pulled the trigger though, maybe not, stay on guard against that rude taker anyway


because he spent those years greasing Ukranian politicians and military leaders in his mind, thinking they'd make a big show and the country would just capitulate.
 
watching the trump puddle dry
2023-01-30 4:23:39 PM  

hardinparamedic: watching the trump puddle dry: You know what I can't figure out, why didn't Putin start his Ukraine invasion in 2018, maybe just hubris, smarter people than me tell me it's because he couldn't get everything place for a major war effort, seems like a smart guy would have pulled the trigger though, maybe not, stay on guard against that rude taker anyway

because he spent those years greasing Ukranian politicians and military leaders in his mind, thinking they'd make a big show and the country would just capitulate.


Russia had been doing that since and before 1989
 
watching the trump puddle dry
2023-01-30 4:25:18 PM  

hardinparamedic: watching the trump puddle dry: You know what I can't figure out, why didn't Putin start his Ukraine invasion in 2018, maybe just hubris, smarter people than me tell me it's because he couldn't get everything place for a major war effort, seems like a smart guy would have pulled the trigger though, maybe not, stay on guard against that rude taker anyway

because he spent those years greasing Ukranian politicians and military leaders in his mind, thinking they'd make a big show and the country would just capitulate.


They thought they had a second trump term in the bag
 
watching the trump puddle dry
2023-01-30 4:27:07 PM  
I'm happy that our us government has put anti-corruption stipulation in arms deals, super proper, forward looking.
 
NephilimNexus
2023-01-30 4:32:38 PM  
Everyone who hates Russia (i.e. the Earth) is using this war as an opportunity to clean out their warehouses of all their old stuff - and their old stuff is still better than anything Russia can field.
 
watching the trump puddle dry
2023-01-30 4:34:19 PM  

NephilimNexus: Everyone who hates Russia (i.e. the Earth) is using this war as an opportunity to clean out their warehouses of all their old stuff - and their old stuff is still better than anything Russia can field.


If that were true America would be sending alot more than a couple dozen Abrams tanks, can you say f16
 
watching the trump puddle dry
2023-01-30 4:36:34 PM  

watching the trump puddle dry: NephilimNexus: Everyone who hates Russia (i.e. the Earth) is using this war as an opportunity to clean out their warehouses of all their old stuff - and their old stuff is still better than anything Russia can field.

If that were true America would be sending alot more than a couple dozen Abrams tanks, can you say f16


Because American air force can't, they have new stuff, stop attempted annexation
 
knbwhite
2023-01-30 4:37:29 PM  

watching the trump puddle dry: hardinparamedic: watching the trump puddle dry: You know what I can't figure out, why didn't Putin start his Ukraine invasion in 2018, maybe just hubris, smarter people than me tell me it's because he couldn't get everything place for a major war effort, seems like a smart guy would have pulled the trigger though, maybe not, stay on guard against that rude taker anyway

because he spent those years greasing Ukranian politicians and military leaders in his mind, thinking they'd make a big show and the country would just capitulate.

They thought they had a second trump term in the bag


Are you an election denier?
 
winedrinkingman
2023-01-30 4:41:35 PM  

SomeAmerican: SomeAmerican: The numbers make no sense.

The article says "several thousand 155mm shells will be manufactured jointly", and that "the plan would come with a multi-million-dollar price tag".

OK, several thousand shells for several million dollars, so about $1k per shell.  That's... about right for NATO ammo actually.  That all lines up so far.

But here's the part that makes no sense.  Ukraine uses 5k to 7k artillery shells PER DAY.  So this big announcement is making a big fuss over about half a day's worth of artillery ammo.

... maybe - although the article never says so - they mean this is a monthly delivery?  It's still a really small #, but several thousand a month would at least be ~ 1.5% of what's needed.  Every little bit counts.


They use several thousand rounds a day of all different types of ammo.  Several thousand rounds of 155mm would still be significant.  Especially if this is the start of a process where several thousand are delivered every couple of months.  

Ukraine would still need other sources of 155mm ammo, plus all their other sources, but this is a brand new source.
 
watching the trump puddle dry
2023-01-30 4:42:09 PM  

knbwhite: watching the trump puddle dry: hardinparamedic: watching the trump puddle dry: You know what I can't figure out, why didn't Putin start his Ukraine invasion in 2018, maybe just hubris, smarter people than me tell me it's because he couldn't get everything place for a major war effort, seems like a smart guy would have pulled the trigger though, maybe not, stay on guard against that rude taker anyway

because he spent those years greasing Ukranian politicians and military leaders in his mind, thinking they'd make a big show and the country would just capitulate.

They thought they had a second trump term in the bag

Are you an election denier?


Haha haha  i don't know how many more times I can type this for disingenuous people, Donald trump is a bought and paid for fool, Ron desantis is an actual nazi, and Americans need to go back to political school
 
Capo Del Bandito
2023-01-30 4:42:35 PM  
Sign them all "From Kevin Sorbo"
 
watching the trump puddle dry
2023-01-30 4:43:11 PM  

watching the trump puddle dry: knbwhite: watching the trump puddle dry: hardinparamedic: watching the trump puddle dry: You know what I can't figure out, why didn't Putin start his Ukraine invasion in 2018, maybe just hubris, smarter people than me tell me it's because he couldn't get everything place for a major war effort, seems like a smart guy would have pulled the trigger though, maybe not, stay on guard against that rude taker anyway

because he spent those years greasing Ukranian politicians and military leaders in his mind, thinking they'd make a big show and the country would just capitulate.

They thought they had a second trump term in the bag

Are you an election denier?

Haha haha  i don't know how many more times I can type this for disingenuous people, Donald trump is a bought and paid for fool, Ron desantis is an actual nazi, and Americans need to go back to political school


Clear enough?
 
Marvin Marauder
2023-01-30 4:45:47 PM  
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Australian artillery near Vienna in 1809.
 
Ponzholio [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-30 4:56:56 PM  

SomeAmerican: The numbers make no sense.

The article says "several thousand 155mm shells will be manufactured jointly", and that "the plan would come with a multi-million-dollar price tag".

OK, several thousand shells for several million dollars, so about $1k per shell.  That's... about right for NATO ammo actually.  That all lines up so far.

But here's the part that makes no sense.  Ukraine uses 5k to 7k artillery shells PER DAY.  So this big announcement is making a big fuss over about half a day's worth of artillery ammo.


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watching the trump puddle dry
2023-01-30 4:57:24 PM  

Marvin Marauder: [upload.wikimedia.org image 477x582]
Australian artillery near Vienna in 1809.


Wow that's a long way to travel from down under, where is the kangaroo battalion
 
brantgoose [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-30 4:58:24 PM  
I think we loaned them one of our Canadian tanks. Still newer than Russian tanks. I knew I guy who used to update the software in those things, so Canadian tanks are at least more uptodate than Russian Museum Pieces and the tanks you find in village parks in the sticks.
 
Lord Bear
2023-01-30 4:58:39 PM  
Can we just let them borrow the 5th Fleet for a weekend?  Problem solved.

/Good jorb subby.
 
watching the trump puddle dry
2023-01-30 5:04:31 PM  
I would stay mute on this war if I was Australia
 
watching the trump puddle dry
2023-01-30 5:06:07 PM  

watching the trump puddle dry: I would stay mute on this war if I was Australia


Lest the panda brigade get going, like so many emotionless  war harks are encouraging
 
Marshmallow Jones
2023-01-30 5:08:07 PM  
Well they ain't getting F-16s anymore.  Nice job Grampa Joe.  Dickhead.
 
watching the trump puddle dry
2023-01-30 5:10:37 PM  

Marshmallow Jones: Well they ain't getting F-16s anymore.  Nice job Grampa Joe.  Dickhead.


Lol base that on something, some recent news, anything
 
watching the trump puddle dry
2023-01-30 5:15:40 PM  
Xi jianping is an actual pragmatist, China will take Hong Kong, and there is a really good chance Xi makes an a major attempt at Taiwan, but if the western world plays its cards right we will be in position keep our sides of the world working towards good enough
 
watching the trump puddle dry
2023-01-30 5:21:05 PM  

watching the trump puddle dry: Xi jianping is an actual pragmatist, China will take Hong Kong, and there is a really good chance Xi makes an a major attempt at Taiwan, but if the western world plays its cards right we will be in position keep our sides of the world working towards good enough


Never fight to die, never fight to kill, live to argue another day
 
leeksfromchichis [TotalFark]
2023-01-30 5:25:04 PM  

hardinparamedic: watching the trump puddle dry: You know what I can't figure out, why didn't Putin start his Ukraine invasion in 2018, maybe just hubris, smarter people than me tell me it's because he couldn't get everything place for a major war effort, seems like a smart guy would have pulled the trigger though, maybe not, stay on guard against that rude taker anyway

because he spent those years greasing Ukranian politicians and military leaders in his mind, thinking they'd make a big show and the country would just capitulate.


One idea is COVID.  Putin locked down hard with his closest sycophants. Since bad news is a good way to fall out a window in Russia, and Pooty doesn't even use the internet, so the good lies trickled upwards until he was sitting on rose colored paper intel telling him his army was strong, the citizens supported him, and Ukraine wanted to be part of Russia.

And that's how the world's "number two"army winds up deploying like a number two army.
 
dywed88
2023-01-30 5:31:04 PM  

fragMasterFlash: Time to start building Claymores marked FRONT TOWARD RUSSIA?


That would not be accurate. There are many places where Ukrainians are fighting that the enemy will not be toward Russia.

Please use "Front toward Russians"
 
watching the trump puddle dry
2023-01-30 5:33:28 PM  
Minutemen - This Ain't No Picnic
Youtube UDr25zjd4yM
war is scary
 
dywed88
2023-01-30 5:40:21 PM  

SomeAmerican: The numbers make no sense.

The article says "several thousand 155mm shells will be manufactured jointly", and that "the plan would come with a multi-million-dollar price tag".

OK, several thousand shells for several million dollars, so about $1k per shell.  That's... about right for NATO ammo actually.  That all lines up so far.

But here's the part that makes no sense.  Ukraine uses 5k to 7k artillery shells PER DAY.  So this big announcement is making a big fuss over about half a day's worth of artillery ammo.


There is a minor issue with your math, in that a huge majority of the daily shell consumption would not be these.

Only a small proportion of their guns are 155mm (most of their guns being lighter, 105-122mm, and most heavy guns being Soviet 152mm).

And a large majority of guns are smaller and will almost certainly have higher rates of fire.

So only a small fraction of the total daily shell consumption will be 155mm shells. No, it isn't going to be enough to send the Russians packing, but it will be more than half a day worth.
 
Dadoody
2023-01-30 5:41:39 PM  
Enemy Artillery Has us Targeted; Evacuate immediately HD All Quiet on the Western Front (2022) Sub
Youtube ERgccowGmWA
 
dywed88
2023-01-30 5:43:40 PM  

watching the trump puddle dry: You know what I can't figure out, why didn't Putin start his Ukraine invasion in 2018, maybe just hubris, smarter people than me tell me it's because he couldn't get everything place for a major war effort, seems like a smart guy would have pulled the trigger though, maybe not, stay on guard against that rude taker anyway


He spent years driving wedges between western nations. He wanted to keep doing that to reduce the west's ability to respond. Then his greatest tool for that was lost.

I suspect mounting domestic pressure (among the wealthy and powerful) was what forced him to pull the trigger when he did.
 
JeffSon069
2023-01-30 5:49:57 PM  

SomeAmerican: The numbers make no sense.

The article says "several thousand 155mm shells will be manufactured jointly", and that "the plan would come with a multi-million-dollar price tag".

OK, several thousand shells for several million dollars, so about $1k per shell.  That's... about right for NATO ammo actually.  That all lines up so far.

But here's the part that makes no sense.  Ukraine uses 5k to 7k artillery shells PER DAY.  So this big announcement is making a big fuss over about half a day's worth of artillery ammo.


They might just be bolstering the supply the Ukrainians are getting when Russia runs away and leaves all their shiat behind...
 
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