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(NPR)   I mean, say what you want about the tenets of conservatism, but at least it's an ethos. No these folks are nihlists   (npr.org) divider line
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aaronx [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-30 12:35:13 PM  
Subby did a better job explaining this in less than 25 words than the whole article, but NPR is getting closer every day.
 
abb3w [TotalFark]
2023-01-30 2:53:36 PM  
They're not "conservatives", they're "reactionaries".
This has been the case at least since the Reagan era.
 
AirForceVet [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-30 2:59:50 PM  

abb3w: They're not "conservatives", they're "reactionaries".
This has been the case at least since the Reagan era.


Naw, they have progressed to a new level: fascism.

When you abandon your oath to the US Constitution for political power and commit sedition plus other crimes, we are way beyond Reagan, Nixon and Eisenhower.

We are in pre-Nazi Germany, circa 1932.
 
abb3w [TotalFark]
2023-01-30 3:45:20 PM  

AirForceVet: Naw, they have progressed to a new level: fascism.


You think Fascism wasn't Reactionary?
 
hubiestubert [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-30 4:06:26 PM  
The GOP has been radicalized far enough Right, that they openly court and apologize for fascists.

They aren't Conservative in the least. Grasshopper sorts of fiscal plans, concentrating on only short term gains, zero policy coherence, and a solid lack of anything looking like thoughts for the future given the changing demographics of the country isn't Conservative in the slightest. They just want the cachet of the name to keep the selfish and mean spirited mollified that they aren't the bad guys, despite the commitment to human misery.

There's a reason I'm not Republican any longer. The party gave up any vestiges of Conservatism decades upon decades ago. And I blame myself for staying in as long as I did, trying to steer that ship towards sanity.
 
Tr0mBoNe [TotalFark]
2023-01-30 6:06:53 PM  
it's barely an ethos... more of a pathos.
 
Gin Buddy
2023-01-30 6:51:40 PM  
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Weaver95
2023-01-30 6:54:12 PM  
Oh look I was right.
Again.
🙄
 
Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo
2023-01-30 6:54:26 PM  

hubiestubert: The GOP has been radicalized far enough Right, that they openly court and apologize for fascists.

They aren't Conservative in the least. Grasshopper sorts of fiscal plans, concentrating on only short term gains, zero policy coherence, and a solid lack of anything looking like thoughts for the future given the changing demographics of the country isn't Conservative in the slightest. They just want the cachet of the name to keep the selfish and mean spirited mollified that they aren't the bad guys, despite the commitment to human misery.

There's a reason I'm not Republican any longer. The party gave up any vestiges of Conservatism decades upon decades ago. And I blame myself for staying in as long as I did, trying to steer that ship towards sanity.


I think that's the case with a large number of people with conservative beliefs: there is no party for them anymore.  You used to be able to hand-wave the worse elements of the GOP and hold your nose and vote for them, because they used dog whistles and plausible deniability.  Now the hate is not just out in the open, it's the core message of the party.  Anybody with any shame can't just play off how horrible the Republican party has become.
 
Exile On Beale Street [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-30 6:54:30 PM  
Dipshiat with a nine toed woman.
 
DarnoKonrad
2023-01-30 6:54:41 PM  
I mean really, as stalwart NPR listener, I'm starting to wonder how committed the 'National Socialist German Workers' Party' is to socialism.
 
dracos31
2023-01-30 6:54:43 PM  

AirForceVet: abb3w: They're not "conservatives", they're "reactionaries".
This has been the case at least since the Reagan era.

Naw, they have progressed to a new level: fascism.

When you abandon your oath to the US Constitution for political power and commit sedition plus other crimes, we are way beyond Reagan, Nixon and Eisenhower.

We are in pre-Nazi Germany, circa 1932.


They were always fascists.
They just went into hiding for a few years to "rebrand".
 
odinsposse
2023-01-30 6:54:49 PM  
"These crazy people aren't real conservatives. They can't possibly be the logical result of me gaslighting people by calling repairing roads Stalinist oppression. I'm a reasonable person who reasonably thinks things like climate change is a worldwide conspiracy to make me look stupid. I'm an intelligent, moderate Republican."
 
whidbey
2023-01-30 6:55:23 PM  
Socially yes, fiscally no.
 
LarryDan43
2023-01-30 6:56:31 PM  
The one common bond that keeps Conservatives together is racism.
 
Someone Else's Alt [TotalFark]
2023-01-30 6:58:02 PM  
How conservative fascist, is the Republican Party?

FTFE
 
whatsupchuck [TotalFark]
2023-01-30 6:58:56 PM  
Conservatism is just a brand at this point, with zero ties to any discernable agenda other than to help the rich get richer.
 
SirGunslinger
2023-01-30 6:59:05 PM  
I didn't know the antagonists of most of Gundam had an ethos?
 
Chthonic Echoes [OhFark]
2023-01-30 7:00:16 PM  
I wouldn't exactly call an irrepressible drive to burn down the country "nihilism."

These are fifth columnists.

/Traitors and seditionists.
 
Bith Set Me Up
2023-01-30 7:00:19 PM  

abb3w: They're not "conservatives", they're "reactionaries".
This has been the case at least since the Reagan era.


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"'The older members really cling to the idea that things are going to go 'back to normal'' after Trump, Ocasio-Cortez told me. 'For us, it's never been normal, and before that the bipartisanship was s-ty anyway and gave us the War on Drugs, DOMA' - the Defense of Marriage Act, which barred federal recognition or benefits for same-sex couples - 'and stripping the leg[islative] branch of everything.'

[...]

In the absence of an affirmative agenda the party can agree on, the Democratic establishment needs something to inspire voters to show up, and fear of Republicans - and Trump - fits the bill.

For the newcomers, this is completely foreign. To them, Republicans shouldn't be feared, they should be beaten. Ocasio-Cortez told me that she treats Republicans like buffoons because that's how they've behaved for as long as she can remember. 'Even before I was of voting age, I saw Republicans accuse the Obamas of doing a 'terrorist fist bump,' so they've been clowns since I was a teen,' she said."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2019/07/05/feature/haunted-by-the-reagan-era/?wpisrc=nl_rainbow&wpmm=1&noredirect=on
 
NathanAllen
2023-01-30 7:02:31 PM  
What exactly are they trying to conserve?
 
UltimaCS
2023-01-30 7:02:31 PM  
"in what world is the refusal to pay your credit cards considered a conservative act?" he told NPR.

"Conservative no longer means Fiscal Conservative?! What's next, President Adams is gonna leave the Federalist Party?"
 
whidbey
2023-01-30 7:02:38 PM  

whatsupchuck: Conservatism is just a brand at this point, with zero ties to any discernable agenda other than to help the rich get richer.


That and eroding rights, eroding protections for the environment, eroding education, pushing a Christian theocracy.

Pretty discernible to me, actually.
 
wademh
2023-01-30 7:03:33 PM  
I still believe it's a manufactured tribalism.  It's engineered to oppose The Other. For a long time, The Other is mostly grounded in anti-intellectualism. So essentially, they are a loose conglomerate of people who are told they have been oppressed. It is reinforced with myths of their having had some form of birthright to a better life that has either been stolen from them, or that people are trying to steal from them. And it is a broadly successful formula.

It even leaks out to radicalize people who are, to many approximations, at the other end of the horseshoe.
 
NuclearPenguins [TotalFark]
2023-01-30 7:03:42 PM  

NathanAllen: What exactly are they trying to conserve?


White power?
 
gilgigamesh
2023-01-30 7:04:00 PM  
cult
/kəlt/
noun
a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.

Example: "By April 2021, when we did this survey, Donald Trump had, even for these political activists, largely redefined what it was to be conservative around support for Trump and his style of politics."
 
Bith Set Me Up
2023-01-30 7:04:25 PM  

NathanAllen: What exactly are they trying to conserve?


Their cushy, opulent status quo.
 
The Dog Ate My Homework
2023-01-30 7:04:42 PM  

whatsupchuck: Conservatism is just a brand at this point, with zero ties to any discernable agenda other than to help the rich get richer.


That's not true at all. They also want to oppress everyone who isn't a Christian fundamentalist.
 
New Rising Sun
2023-01-30 7:04:55 PM  
"By and large, the reason why Kevin McCarthy has this problem in this conference is that these fiscal conservatives do not want to follow the Mitch McConnell Senate Republican strategy," American Conservative Union Chairman Matt Schlapp told Fox Business. "They passed nearly a $2 trillion omnibus with winks and nods from Republicans because they don't have the stomach to reduce federal spending."

Have Republicans ever actually done that? I honestly don't know, but I sure can't remember a time because I figure they wouldn't have shut up about it.  I'm too lazy to look, but I'm guessing that they haven't, or if they have it was immediately followed by a nationwide crisis that had to be undone and resulted in greater spending to save us all, so I'm guessing it's only true in the the strictest sense if you don't look at a complete timeline.
 
SplittingAces
2023-01-30 7:06:58 PM  

wademh: I still believe it's a manufactured tribalism.  It's engineered to oppose The Other. For a long time, The Other is mostly grounded in anti-intellectualism. So essentially, they are a loose conglomerate of people who are told they have been oppressed. It is reinforced with myths of their having had some form of birthright to a better life that has either been stolen from them, or that people are trying to steal from them. And it is a broadly successful formula.

It even leaks out to radicalize people who are, to many approximations, at the other end of the horseshoe.


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/ you know what's coming, right?
 
Kumana Wanalaia
2023-01-30 7:07:13 PM  

NathanAllen: What exactly are they trying to conserve?


Ignorance.
 
Conservative Evangelical Millennial Cyclist
2023-01-30 7:07:34 PM  

NathanAllen: What exactly are they trying to conserve?


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Smelly Pirate Hooker
2023-01-30 7:08:17 PM  
LOL, NPR. Just as timely as ever.

"Are these people who reject legal elections and encourage shrieking idiots to fill city council and school board meetings so they can shriek about the Deep State actually 'conservative'? Tune in to hear our expert weigh in on the most obvious conclusion ever concluded in the history of conclusions."
 
Smelly Pirate Hooker
2023-01-30 7:12:19 PM  

NathanAllen: What exactly are they trying to conserve?


White supremacy.

I didn't read the article, but I doubt it mentions that. Usually NPR is very careful to avoid assigning any racism, no matter how obvious, to Republicans.
 
rzrwiresunrise
2023-01-30 7:13:55 PM  
It is a testament to our collective disbelief that it could ever happen here that a purportedly left-leaning public news site could venture to ask if some of the Nazis might be less Nazi than the rest of the Nazis.
 
wademh
2023-01-30 7:15:48 PM  

NathanAllen: What exactly are they trying to conserve?


A mythical status quo
 
Smelly Pirate Hooker
2023-01-30 7:20:09 PM  

wademh: I still believe it's racism a manufactured tribalism.  It's engineered to oppose nonwhite peopleThe Other. For a long time, The Other is mostly grounded in racismanti-intellectualism. So essentially, they are a loose conglomerate of people who are told they have been oppressed because black and brown people have rights. It is reinforced with myths of their having had some form of birthright to a better life that has either been stolen from them - the Confederacy, or that black and brown people are trying to steal from them. And it is a broadly successful formula, and it should be because it's been going on since before America was an actual country.

It even leaks out to radicalize people who are, to many approximations, at the other end of the horseshoe, ie, libertarians.
 
anuran
2023-01-30 7:20:12 PM  

abb3w: They're not "conservatives", they're "reactionaries".
This has been the case at least since the Reagan era.


do you eat sugar on your porridge?
 
ricochet4
2023-01-30 7:24:29 PM  
FTFA: Charlie Sykes, editor-in-chief of the website The Bulwark, wrote a piece titled "There's nothing conservative about reneging on our debt."
"I understand the whole idea of fiscal conservatism, but then basically saying, yes, let's push the country toward debt default - in what world is the refusal to pay your credit cards considered a conservative act?" he told NPR.

This is kinda dumb; the RWNJs in Congress who are "pushing the country towards debt default" are playing chicken, they are trying to get deep budget cuts in exchange for not driving us over the cliff. This strategy hasn't ever worked, but it's clearly motivated by conservative thinking
 
TheMarvelousLibertarian
2023-01-30 7:27:10 PM  
We don't vote for them for their ideas or policy, only to fark shiat up.
 
Tarl3k
2023-01-30 7:35:48 PM  

NathanAllen: What exactly are they trying to conserve?


White supremacy in America.
 
whidbey
2023-01-30 7:36:33 PM  

Tarl3k: NathanAllen: What exactly are they trying to conserve?

White supremacy in America.


But that would imply it's running out...
 
Cheron
2023-01-30 7:36:43 PM  
"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."

-Frank Wilhoit


They just disagree about how to best punish enemies and reward toadies
 
watching the trump puddle dry
2023-01-30 7:37:13 PM  
Let's start playing some anarchist anthems
Cream - I feel free (1967)
Youtube gJktf4aTNvk
 
ZMugg [TotalFark]
2023-01-30 7:37:50 PM  

Exile On Beale Street: Dipshiat with a nine toed woman.


🎶
She'll be a nine toed woman
She'll be a nine toed woman
She'll be a nine toed woman
Baby 'till she find her man.
/🎶
 
ZMugg [TotalFark]
2023-01-30 7:39:22 PM  

Cheron: "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."

-Frank Wilhoit


They just disagree about how to best punish enemies and reward toadies


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watching the trump puddle dry
2023-01-30 7:41:11 PM  
LOBO - Me And You And A Dog Named Boo - 1973 Official Video
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whidbey
2023-01-30 7:41:11 PM  

watching the trump puddle dry: Let's start playing some anarchist anthems
[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/gJktf4aTNvk]


Who's calling for anarchy besides you?
 
Halfabee64
2023-01-30 7:41:16 PM  
Speaking of nihilists...

He-bowski
Youtube YJyYNMzpqO4


/NSFW
 
Dictatorial_Flair
2023-01-30 7:44:38 PM  
They're not conservatives so much as they are foreign-backed terrorists who weren't dealt with appropriately after staging a coup. They want to burn the whole thing down to prove some kind of idiotic point and install a white Christian nationalist theocracy to benefit billionaires and charlatans and enslave or destroy everyone else.
 
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