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hubiestubert [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-30 1:01:47 PM  
Yeah, the Chinese are just champing at the bit given their COVID losses. I mean, they'd like to press some points, but putting boots on the ground is something they prefer to do against less developed countries, and without a lot of combat experience with modern systems.

/and I say that as a fluent Welsh speaker
 
edmo [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-30 1:09:15 PM  
Yes, we know the Russian methods, start the war drumbeat and beat it constantly until the fighting starts. We saw Republicans in action under Dubya.
 
NewportBarGuy [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-30 1:09:47 PM  
Says America's wealthiest politician.

Yes, I trust his words.
 
Marcus Aurelius [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-30 1:09:48 PM  
Where exactly are we going to duke it out?  I can see us sinking the Chinese navy, but beyond that, what then, Ollie?
 
Myrdinn [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-30 1:21:27 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Where exactly are we going to duke it out?  I can see us sinking the Chinese navy, but beyond that, what then, Ollie?


South China sea.  One hell of a battle, will be able to walk from one artificial island to another without getting wet by crossing over naval wreckage... that sort of thing.

Who would have ever thought that we would be allies with Vietnam and Japan a hundred years ago?
 
Mugato [TotalFark]
2023-01-30 1:25:53 PM  
But then where will China get their movies and where will the US get their everything else?
 
ArkPanda [TotalFark]
2023-01-30 1:27:53 PM  

Myrdinn: Marcus Aurelius: Where exactly are we going to duke it out?  I can see us sinking the Chinese navy, but beyond that, what then, Ollie?

South China sea.  One hell of a battle, will be able to walk from one artificial island to another without getting wet by crossing over naval wreckage... that sort of thing.

Who would have ever thought that we would be allies with Vietnam and Japan a hundred years ago?


We were allied with Japan and France in WWI, so everybody?

/built a working time machine out of popsicle sticks and bubble gum
 
Marcus Aurelius [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-30 1:33:38 PM  

Myrdinn: Marcus Aurelius: Where exactly are we going to duke it out?  I can see us sinking the Chinese navy, but beyond that, what then, Ollie?

South China sea.  One hell of a battle, will be able to walk from one artificial island to another without getting wet by crossing over naval wreckage... that sort of thing.

Who would have ever thought that we would be allies with Vietnam and Japan a hundred years ago?


In 1905, Teddy Roosevelt gave Japan a green light to invade Manchuria.  We were good friends, right up until they went and got uppity in 1941 after we cut off their gasoline supply.
 
Myrdinn [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-30 1:34:21 PM  

ArkPanda: Myrdinn: Marcus Aurelius: Where exactly are we going to duke it out?  I can see us sinking the Chinese navy, but beyond that, what then, Ollie?

South China sea.  One hell of a battle, will be able to walk from one artificial island to another without getting wet by crossing over naval wreckage... that sort of thing.

Who would have ever thought that we would be allies with Vietnam and Japan a hundred years ago?

We were allied with Japan and France in WWI, so everybody?


Yeah, but a hundred years ago, we were inbetween WWI and II.  Japan was *really* building up their fleet, something that historically has only happened to this degree in the last... *checks notes* ten years.

Crap.
 
vudukungfu [TotalFark]
2023-01-30 1:44:59 PM  

Myrdinn: Marcus Aurelius: Where exactly are we going to duke it out?  I can see us sinking the Chinese navy, but beyond that, what then, Ollie?

South China sea.  One hell of a battle, will be able to walk from one artificial island to another without getting wet by crossing over naval wreckage... that sort of thing.

Who would have ever thought that we would be allies with Vietnam and Japan a hundred years ago?


Well, never start a"land" war in Asia
 
Weaver95
2023-01-30 1:51:11 PM  
My assumption is that all conservatives are lying until proven otherwise.

/will fight for your right to party
 
Phil McKraken [BareFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-30 1:52:50 PM  
"My gut tells me we will fight in 2025."

I think he's full of shiat.
 
jethroe
2023-01-30 1:53:18 PM  

hubiestubert: Yeah, the Chinese are just champing at the bit given their COVID losses. I mean, they'd like to press some points, but putting boots on the ground is something they prefer to do against less developed countries, and without a lot of combat experience with modern systems.


Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan look out!
 
eKonk
2023-01-30 1:53:54 PM  
Well duh, we've always been at war with East Asia.
 
spongeboob [TotalFark]
2023-01-30 1:54:10 PM  
Accept Russia

Russia could invade Alaaka and 50% of Republicans would say It was theirs first
 
red230
2023-01-30 1:55:59 PM  

hubiestubert: Yeah, the Chinese are just champing at the bit given their COVID losses. I mean, they'd like to press some points, but putting boots on the ground is something they prefer to do against less developed countries, and without a lot of combat experience with modern systems.


Yep, they also want to cut off their number one consumer of the cheap crap goods they produce. This is nothing more than Republicans trying to drum up hype about some fake Biden China connection. I'm sure they'll throw Hunter and his laptop and Hillary as well given enough time.
 
Hinged
2023-01-30 1:56:03 PM  
We've got a Democrat President and we're at war with Russia.

The shooting war with Iran and China will both happen regardless of what political party is in charge... and one or both will be well within the next 3 years.
 
Rapmaster2000
2023-01-30 1:57:29 PM  
He accused the Democratic administration of President Joe Biden of projecting weakness after the bungled US pullout from Afghanistan, which could make war with China more likely.

Republicans:  China has been ceaselessly planning to take back Taiwan for 60 years.
Also Republicans:  It's Biden's fault that they're doing that.

/runs with scissors
 
litespeed74
2023-01-30 1:58:52 PM  
If we fight China, will we be eager to fight them again an hour later?

/Jumpin' jodhpurs!
 
HotWingConspiracy
2023-01-30 1:59:00 PM  
In a memo dated February 1 but released on Friday, General Mike Minihan, who heads the Air Mobility Command, wrote to the leadership of its roughly 110,000 members saying: "My gut tells me we will fight in 2025."

This is it? This is the entire assessment?

Both the US and Taiwan will hold presidential elections in 2024, potentially creating an opportunity for China to take military action, Minihan wrote.

What? Please make sense.

He accused the Democratic administration of President Joe Biden of projecting weakness after the bungled US pullout from Afghanistan, which could make war with China more likely.

"The odds are very high that we could see a conflict with China and Taiwan and the Indo-Pacific," McCaul said.

So there's the real nugget. I don't think freeing up trillions of dollars worth of men and material from Afghanistan then assisting Ukraine stymie a larger aggressor is sending the Chinese government the message that this would be a good time to invade a smaller neighbor.
 
Weaver95
2023-01-30 1:59:48 PM  

Hinged: We've got a Democrat President and we're at war with Russia.

The shooting war with Iran and China will both happen regardless of what political party is in charge... and one or both will be well within the next 3 years.


Well now I KNOW we aren't going to have a war.
 
Eunice's Social Calendar [recently expired TotalFark]
2023-01-30 1:59:56 PM  
lol...the way we left afghanistan makes us look weak to china so wwiii is ineviatable...lol...
 
HotWingConspiracy
2023-01-30 2:00:45 PM  

Hinged: We've got a Democrat President and we're at war with Russia.

The shooting war with Iran and China will both happen regardless of what political party is in charge... and one or both will be well within the next 3 years.


No it won't.
 
fragMasterFlash [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-30 2:00:46 PM  
China will have to invade a US allied country for the US to respond with force. Knowing that tipping point, it will either never happen at all or happen to all US allies in Asia at once. The days of half-measures are over as Putin has shown the futility of that gambit. Maybe don't fan the flames of a war that would see rationing of resources and mandatory military service in the US practically overnight?
 
olorin604
2023-01-30 2:01:08 PM  
Biden being the only president in a couple decades willing to take the political hit to get us out of the Iraq and Afghanistan is somehow a sign of weakness.

Look at congress who is more than happy to biatch about allies being left behind, while refusing to take action on the various pieces of legislation that would make their transition to America easier

It's almost like there is a large segment that is not even pretending to be acting in good faith.
 
Ragin' Asian [recently expired TotalFark]
2023-01-30 2:01:25 PM  
My grandpa in the Philippines described some battles he witnessed in the southern Philippines between the Chinese and the Japanese. The Chinese sent troops but not enough weaponry. They'd give guns to those in the front, and when they fell, the soldier behind them would pick up the gun and ammo then carry on. A detachment of 700 Chinese soldiers ended up killing more than 2000 Japanese. Now they have people and guns. A war would be a hubristically bad idea.
 
Donny Wonder [TotalFark]
2023-01-30 2:01:58 PM  
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/don't get me started on the problem with tea towels
 
NeoCortex42 [TotalFark]
2023-01-30 2:03:05 PM  
China likes western money and the west likes cheap production way too much for this to happen.

Now, a proxy war somewhere else is certainly possible.  I just don't think a direct conflict is happening anytime soon.
 
odinsposse
2023-01-30 2:03:43 PM  
"Russia would greatly appreciate it"," he added with a wink.
 
Hey Nurse! [OhFark]
2023-01-30 2:04:57 PM  
I have the solution! We should get congress to allocate $800B for R&D in new Space Force weaponry. But that money should only be spent with select donors contractors that will provide no results, no receipts, and demands to double the budget next year as they will be on the cusp of a major breakthrough. Of course, they can't tell you what it is. That's classified.

/blah!
 
Snapper Carr
2023-01-30 2:05:39 PM  
There's too much money at stake for us to go to war.  Maybe a cold war fought through proxies but no one wants to seriously fark with business.
 
saintstryfe [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-30 2:06:39 PM  
The Chinese leaders aren't gonna give up their cozy, safe jobs and full bellies for a fight over a dinky island their grand fathers couldn't even work up the hate to take over.

Taiwan is special because of it's place in regards to Mainland China and if the PRC ever took it over it'd be nearly worthless - a huge, disgruntled population with no special ties to the west any longer, billions in damage likely, and almost certaintly some political concessions needing to be given to prevent a drawn out guerrilla resistance.

/flapdoodle!
 
starsrift
2023-01-30 2:07:01 PM  

NeoCortex42: China likes western money and the west likes cheap production way too much for this to happen.

Now, a proxy war somewhere else is certainly possible.  I just don't think a direct conflict is happening anytime soon.


India. India is where it's heating up, and where a proxy war might happen.

China, of course, is goose-stepping their way around the issue. Both countries have nukes. I genuinely don't know what's going to happen in the next ten years between those two, but I can't imagine anything good.
 
CivilizedTiger
2023-01-30 2:07:51 PM  

Phil McKraken: "My gut tells me we will fight in 2025."

I think he's full of shiat.


Most people's guts' are
 
saintstryfe [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-30 2:08:11 PM  

Hey Nurse!: I have the solution! We should get congress to allocate $800B for R&D in new Space Force weaponry. But that money should only be spent with select donors contractors that will provide no results, no receipts, and demands to double the budget next year as they will be on the cusp of a major breakthrough. Of course, they can't tell you what it is. That's classified.


and we'll need a fresh round of Hillary Email investigations and possibly some looking into that Teapot Dome scandal again.
 
saintstryfe [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-30 2:10:17 PM  

Ragin' Asian: My grandpa in the Philippines described some battles he witnessed in the southern Philippines between the Chinese and the Japanese. The Chinese sent troops but not enough weaponry. They'd give guns to those in the front, and when they fell, the soldier behind them would pick up the gun and ammo then carry on. A detachment of 700 Chinese soldiers ended up killing more than 2000 Japanese. Now they have people and guns. A war would be a hubristically bad idea.


I don't think the Chinese solider of today is like that, most likely. They're not gonna be fighting for survival - they're conquerors. That takes a very different mindset and that mindset gets broken very easily. See Russia right now.
 
toraque [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-30 2:10:42 PM  

hubiestubert: Yeah, the Chinese are just champing at the bit given their COVID losses. I mean, they'd like to press some points, but putting boots on the ground is something they prefer to do against less developed countries, and without a lot of combat experience with modern systems.


Interestingly, russia fits that bill to a T but all China has to do there is wait a bit longer and buy the place up for kopeks on the ruble.

Not that there's anything in russia worth buying other than mineral rights.
 
DVD
2023-01-30 2:11:29 PM  
This is an interesting direction for the GOP and even the thread to take.

Those that are in favor of Russia, or any other semi-powerful authoritarian state, taking over their neighbors are now re-raising alarms over Taiwan?

But are they raising those alarms in a "we're doomed, just let it happen" kind of way, or in a "prepare Taiwan so that they can stay free from the CCP" kind of way?

I'm for the latter.  Taiwan can indeed hold out against CCP aggression if supplied in any kind of way, even if it isn't at the same level as Ukraine.

Russia found out that making the world need its oil didn't prevent much of the world from turning away from it toward other means, and even the oil it can "sell" now, is almost being given away.

China has the world's manufacturing dominance.  That would be harder to find ways around, but not impossible by any means.  The methods for doing so have already being growing, partially as a result of the CCP trying to use that leverage for problematic demands.

(I use the terms China and CCP separately.  I regard the nation of China as being held hostage at gunpoint by the CCP, even if it's become a near-total Stockholm syndrome relationship)

The fact that certain tankies and Kremlin shills are here trying to sow discouragement by throwing "Afghanistan" and "Iraq" around, in the same way they've been getting used in attempts to discourage helping Ukraine, is interesting to me.  It indicates to me that the same general sources are directing the discouragement attempts.

Taiwan can certainly be defended from CCP and PLA aggression.  They don't even have the same problem that Ukraine had with a large portion of the population identifying strongly with the invader propaganda (up until the invaders execute the identifying population simply out of malicious incompetence.)
 
saintstryfe [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-30 2:11:46 PM  

toraque: hubiestubert: Yeah, the Chinese are just champing at the bit given their COVID losses. I mean, they'd like to press some points, but putting boots on the ground is something they prefer to do against less developed countries, and without a lot of combat experience with modern systems.

Interestingly, russia fits that bill to a T but all China has to do there is wait a bit longer and buy the place up for kopeks on the ruble.

Not that there's anything in russia worth buying other than mineral rights.


The Weak shall inherit the earth.... but not its Mineral Rights. J. Paul Getty.
 
starsrift
2023-01-30 2:12:06 PM  

starsrift: NeoCortex42: China likes western money and the west likes cheap production way too much for this to happen.

Now, a proxy war somewhere else is certainly possible.  I just don't think a direct conflict is happening anytime soon.

India. India is where it's heating up, and where a proxy war might happen.

China, of course, is goose-stepping their way around the issue. Both countries have nukes. I genuinely don't know what's going to happen in the next ten years between those two, but I can't imagine anything good.


I mean, how far would the average American back India? Especially if they ran on a campaign of, for instance, "freeing Tibet". (Whether or not TIbet would actually be left free is a later question). This is world war three in the making, for sure. Ironically, as long as countries don't fall on capitalist lines, and instead those arrangements of honor that they've made.
 
SplittingAces
2023-01-30 2:15:39 PM  

Hinged: We've got a Democrat President and we're at war with Russia.

The shooting war with Iran and China will both happen regardless of what political party is in charge... and one or both will be well within the next 3 years.


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DVD
2023-01-30 2:15:42 PM  

toraque: hubiestubert: Yeah, the Chinese are just champing at the bit given their COVID losses. I mean, they'd like to press some points, but putting boots on the ground is something they prefer to do against less developed countries, and without a lot of combat experience with modern systems.

Interestingly, russia fits that bill to a T but all China has to do there is wait a bit longer and buy the place up for kopeks on the ruble.

Not that there's anything in russia worth buying other than mineral rights.


______________________________

Mineral rights and lebensraum?
 
Senseless_drivel
2023-01-30 2:16:19 PM  
'Very high' odds of war with China, US Republican warns

Michael McCaul, the new chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee in the US House of Representatives, says conflict with China over Taiwan may happen in 2025.

I'm looking for real signs like Apple stopping its iPhone annual upgrade program. Shiat gets real if we can't get our iPhone 17's.
 
MikeyFuccon
2023-01-30 2:22:47 PM  
In 2025? Is that with or without a Redcap in the White House happy to make China a deal for Taiwan (and Russia a deal for Ukraine)?

Every authoritarian political thug on earth is rooting for the GOP in 2024. Vote accordingly.

/easily distracted by quokkas
 
tinderfitles
2023-01-30 2:31:39 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: In a memo dated February 1 but released on Friday, General Mike Minihan, who heads the Air Mobility Command, wrote to the leadership of its roughly 110,000 members saying: "My gut tells me we will fight in 2025."

This is it? This is the entire assessment?

Both the US and Taiwan will hold presidential elections in 2024, potentially creating an opportunity for China to take military action, Minihan wrote.

What? Please make sense.

He accused the Democratic administration of President Joe Biden of projecting weakness after the bungled US pullout from Afghanistan, which could make war with China more likely.

"The odds are very high that we could see a conflict with China and Taiwan and the Indo-Pacific," McCaul said.

So there's the real nugget. I don't think freeing up trillions of dollars worth of men and material from Afghanistan then assisting Ukraine stymie a larger aggressor is sending the Chinese government the message that this would be a good time to invade a smaller neighbor.


Gen. Minihan is also a farking idiot who spends so much time with his foot in his mouth that mink oil has become his favorite farking condiment. Can the US and China go to war in 2025? Sure. So can China and India. So can China and Vietnam. So can China and other parts of farking China.
 
Ragin' Asian [recently expired TotalFark]
2023-01-30 2:35:20 PM  

saintstryfe: Ragin' Asian: My grandpa in the Philippines described some battles he witnessed in the southern Philippines between the Chinese and the Japanese. The Chinese sent troops but not enough weaponry. They'd give guns to those in the front, and when they fell, the soldier behind them would pick up the gun and ammo then carry on. A detachment of 700 Chinese soldiers ended up killing more than 2000 Japanese. Now they have people and guns. A war would be a hubristically bad idea.

I don't think the Chinese solider of today is like that, most likely. They're not gonna be fighting for survival - they're conquerors. That takes a very different mindset and that mindset gets broken very easily. See Russia right now.


I smarted you because it's a good point. It's a different sort of survival, though. If the local politburo holds your family hostage for food and freedom dependent upon your military performance, it's a different side of the same coin.
 
SirGunslinger
2023-01-30 2:35:28 PM  
Can't really call the odds on something you can cause/do directly.
 
theToadMan [TotalFark]
2023-01-30 2:36:04 PM  
The west needs China's cheap labor and China needs the west's consumers. Until that changes there would be no war. That and the Pacific Ocean being a "slight" hindrance to any military build up on either side (excluding the nuke option of course)
 
Dr. Bison
2023-01-30 2:39:28 PM  
Well, to be fair, the GOP is right that Saddam Hussein must disarm.

No, wait....

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hubiestubert [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-30 2:44:00 PM  

red230: hubiestubert: Yeah, the Chinese are just champing at the bit given their COVID losses. I mean, they'd like to press some points, but putting boots on the ground is something they prefer to do against less developed countries, and without a lot of combat experience with modern systems.

Yep, they also want to cut off their number one consumer of the cheap crap goods they produce. This is nothing more than Republicans trying to drum up hype about some fake Biden China connection. I'm sure they'll throw Hunter and his laptop and Hillary as well given enough time.


Yellow Peril has been a go to for over a hundred years. Even before The Chinese Exclusion Act.
 
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