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(Guardian)   Having power to the home or an extra dollar for the executives. The choice is easy for some. Even if it would have only cost 1% of all profits   (theguardian.com) divider line
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934 clicks; posted to Business » on 30 Jan 2023 at 1:36 PM (7 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2023-01-30 12:32:25 PM  
Has anyone noticed that our economy is transforming into ways for investors (shareholders) and executive teams can ram more and more money into pumping stocks up for their own benefit? Leaving the medium- and long-term to fester? Anyone concerned about this?
 
2023-01-30 12:42:20 PM  
Government used to own utilities.
 
2023-01-30 2:01:13 PM  
it's the Texas way
 
2023-01-30 2:02:40 PM  

edmo: Government used to own utilities.


An old Frontline on electricity deregulation:

The debate is as old as Adam Smith's theory of the "invisible hand" determining optimal market prices. But in the last 30 years, the debate in the U.S. has taken on a practical edge. Since the early 1970s, natural gas, telecommunications, and airlines have all been deregulated to one extent or another. All faced the same ideological arguments.

Twenty years after the 1978 deregulation of the airline industry, for example, conservative think tanks like The Heritage Foundation called for further deregulation, saying that the rules in place were still prohibitive. Meanwhile, new, short-haul airlines were calling for "re-regulation," complaining that large airlines were squeezing them unfairly out of the market.

The debate over California's electricity deregulation is similar. Proponents such as Enron CEO Jeff Skilling and Chairman Ken Lay say that California's "deregulation" has merely substituted one set of regulations for another, and that these have actually made it harder for energy companies to do business in the state. They point to the natural gas market as an example of successful deregulation.

Obviously, with the smartest guys in the Enron room and the Heritage Foundation saying, "deregulate harder" everyone should've known how it would turn out.  And look how well airline deregulation worked!

The free hand of the market, usually clenched into a fist, rarely uses lube when it goes in.  And we should all thank the power companies for that lack of lube.  Friction causes heat.  Heat is energy!
 
2023-01-30 2:05:15 PM  
Okay, someone has to play devil's advocate, so here goes:

No, the people who got shut off for non-payment are, in most cases, probably not coming from the pool of customers from whom any utility makes most of its money. It's mostly an incentive to ensure that the people who do make them most of their money don't just ignore their own bills. No matter who owned the utility (be it a privately-held corporation, a publicly-held corporation, or a local government, like my local electric company Hydro Ottawa, which is owned by the city), the utility would have to at least reserve the right to do this if and when all reasonable efforts to sort things out with the customer had failed.

What the utility can do is allow temporarily illiquid customers more time to pay (Hydro Ottawa calls these deals "Arrears Payment Agreements") to avoid disconnection. In cases where the customer is at all willing and able to pay, this will invariably get Hydro Ottawa back more money than a shut-off and sending the arrears bill to a collector for pennies on the dollar.

So shutting off people's power before you've made every reasonable effort to sort things out with the customer because you think Those People just can't be bothered paying their bills (contrary to all evidence, including Those Customers who do pay their bills on time) doesn't make great business sense. Being evil rarely does.

Discuss.
 
2023-01-30 2:47:08 PM  

MikeyFuccon: Okay, someone has to play devil's advocate, so here goes:

No, the people who got shut off for non-payment are, in most cases, probably not coming from the pool of customers from whom any utility makes most of its money. It's mostly an incentive to ensure that the people who do make them most of their money don't just ignore their own bills. No matter who owned the utility (be it a privately-held corporation, a publicly-held corporation, or a local government, like my local electric company Hydro Ottawa, which is owned by the city), the utility would have to at least reserve the right to do this if and when all reasonable efforts to sort things out with the customer had failed.

What the utility can do is allow temporarily illiquid customers more time to pay (Hydro Ottawa calls these deals "Arrears Payment Agreements") to avoid disconnection. In cases where the customer is at all willing and able to pay, this will invariably get Hydro Ottawa back more money than a shut-off and sending the arrears bill to a collector for pennies on the dollar.

So shutting off people's power before you've made every reasonable effort to sort things out with the customer because you think Those People just can't be bothered paying their bills (contrary to all evidence, including Those Customers who do pay their bills on time) doesn't make great business sense. Being evil rarely does.

Discuss.


Your communism doesn't apply here
 
2023-01-30 3:16:59 PM  
A little surprising that more states haven't been lobbied into allowing prepay electric meters.  The norm in much of the world.  If you're ever more than slightly late, you get a prepay meter.  No rolling trucks for disconnects, no moral judgement, just "you want power, go buy another $20 card at Wawa".
 
2023-01-30 4:37:27 PM  

edmo: Government used to own utilities.


Utilities: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)
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2023-01-30 5:47:58 PM  

chitownmike: Your communism doesn't apply here


Tell that to TFA author.
 
2023-01-30 6:26:58 PM  

hammettman: And look how well airline deregulation worked!


I think that's actually worked out pretty well. Air travel is far more affordable, greatly expanded, and still very safe. An occasional week of one airline shiatting the bed does not outweigh all of that. If you miss the better service of the 70s, it's still available, you just have to pay for it.

I agree with and smarted your post otherwise.
 
2023-01-30 8:02:18 PM  
Reminds me of the time in 2017 when Gary Cohn got crickets in response to the question "If the tax bill goes through, do you plan on increasing your companies' capital investment?" & asked "Why aren't more hands up?" with all the Jeb Bush energy he could muster.

/LGT Twitter
 
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