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2023-01-30 9:01:47 AM  
I would have just assumed they did.  Over most of its run, if it was something that could be sold, the Sears catalog had it.  Sears losing out to Amazon is one of the biggest corporate failures in world history.  They had all the infrastructure and logistics to hit the ground running (plus physical locations Amazon had none of), but opted not to chase online sales.
 
2023-01-30 9:07:09 AM  
I have a couple of S&W revolvers my granddad had delivered from the S&R catalogs. He died just before they came, and my grandmother put the package in a trunk, in the attic with his stuff, and it stayed there from march 1942 until she died in march 1983, and I had to help clean out the house.
Charged with taking a truck to the "dump" I decided I wanted to keep the trunk and contents, and unpacked it in 1987.
They are in mint condition.
He never had a chance to unwrap them.
My two other male cousins who are direct descendents are maga to the max, and they are never going to hear this story.
I have to admire the craftsmanship, and balance these things have.
I had a shoulder holster made for one and a hip holster made for the other.
Both .38s.
I've gotten rid of many hand guns in my life. But these two, I'll leave to a museum.
He was a coal buyer. Rode trains.
He knew his coal.
Anyway, sears sold quality stuff.
Even the houses.
I have friends who live in a beautiful Victorian that came into town on a train. A sears kit, back in the day. And it is lovely.
 
2023-01-30 9:12:43 AM  
I helped a friend take apart his Sears cottage so he could expand his house. The walls were modular panels, held together with pins and wedges.

The walls had predrilled holes in the 1x4 "studs", washer on each side of the double stud, pin through and wedge forced into the slot in the end of the pin, held it all together quite nicely. Clearly not up to today's codes, but it was still standing at the end of the century, when we took it down.

The Sears we knew was a shadow of its former self.
 
2023-01-30 9:13:23 AM  
They never mention the motorcycles
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2023-01-30 9:13:42 AM  
Kind of a tragedy Sears didn't become Amazon. All the infrastructure was right there but the people in charge didn't want anything to do with that fancy dial up internet stuff.
 
2023-01-30 9:16:28 AM  

Gleeman: Kind of a tragedy Sears didn't become Amazon. All the infrastructure was right there but the people in charge didn't want anything to do with that fancy dial up internet stuff.


Same with Speigel
 
2023-01-30 9:23:09 AM  

baka-san: Gleeman: Kind of a tragedy Sears didn't become Amazon. All the infrastructure was right there but the people in charge didn't want anything to do with that fancy dial up internet stuff.

Same with Speigel


Yeah. I remember those vaguely, as a kid

Catalogue to small brick and mortar stores with pick-up of your order as an option to get you in to buy more stuff you didn't need
 
2023-01-30 9:41:33 AM  
Heh. My parents bought a house from the Sear's catalog in 1949. A rock-solid prefab modular Gunnison Home. They lived there from 1950-2018 until my Mom went into a nursing home.
 
2023-01-30 9:42:28 AM  

Gleeman: Kind of a tragedy Sears didn't become Amazon. All the infrastructure was right there but the people in charge didn't want anything to do with that fancy dial up internet stuff.


At one point there was rumor of a merger, but Sears management decided to go Galt instead.
 
2023-01-30 9:45:28 AM  

Gleeman: Kind of a tragedy Sears didn't become Amazon. All the infrastructure was right there but the people in charge didn't want anything to do with that fancy dial up internet stuff.


Actually, they had that Randian asshole in charge at the same time they should have made the pivot. As a result, he poisoned the in-store brand, employees were encouraged to stab each other in the back, narc them off, anything to get ahead. So he killed that brand while neglecting to embrace online sales, a double whammy.
 
2023-01-30 9:45:40 AM  
I still have a bolt action single shot .22 that my grandfather bought from Sears.  Apart from having the barrel reblued, works just as good as the day it was bought, sometime in the late 1910s to 20s.
 
2023-01-30 10:00:50 AM  

Gleeman: Kind of a tragedy Sears didn't become Amazon. All the infrastructure was right there but the people in charge didn't want anything to do with that fancy dial up internet stuff.


And what's even more mind-blowing is Sears was the Amazon of the 1900's by getting into catalog sales when other companies shrugged it off. Amazon was not an original idea in the slightest - it literally just followed the Sears playbook and replaced "catalog" with "website". Now Sears could have corrected the mistake of missing the internet train, but then in walks Eddie Lampert with his Ayn Rand MBA to put a stop to that.
 
2023-01-30 10:12:54 AM  

Gleeman: Kind of a tragedy Sears didn't become Amazon. All the infrastructure was right there but the people in charge didn't want anything to do with that fancy dial up internet stuff.


Yeah, likely blame "organizational inertia"...Companies, like people, as they get older, get more set in their ways. I don't think Sears had the mindset or ability to pivot to an Amazon-like model.

Shame, really, but there you go.

Speaking of which...has anyone else noticed that Amazon seems to have degraded over the years, into a Chinese junk market? Not entirely, you can still find the real stuff, but you need to be more and more careful in your selection to avoid repacks, damaged goods being resold and just out and out fakes? And their packaging is beginning to leave a LOT to be desired...flimsy envelopes instead of boxes, boxes with nothing but  token air bag or two as padding...etc.
 
2023-01-30 10:25:54 AM  
I have one of those shotguns, a hand me down novelty at this point. It's a fine example of a Samuel S Holt gun... Doing some research, it appears they danced along the trademark infringement line with their guns.
 
2023-01-30 10:26:08 AM  
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2023-01-30 10:27:02 AM  

baka-san: Gleeman: Kind of a tragedy Sears didn't become Amazon. All the infrastructure was right there but the people in charge didn't want anything to do with that fancy dial up internet stuff.

Same with Speigel


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2023-01-30 10:34:13 AM  

NeoCortex42: I would have just assumed they did.  Over most of its run, if it was something that could be sold, the Sears catalog had it.  Sears losing out to Amazon is one of the biggest corporate failures in world history.  They had all the infrastructure and logistics to hit the ground running (plus physical locations Amazon had none of), but opted not to chase online sales.


I still think this internet thing is just a fad.
 
2023-01-30 10:37:47 AM  

SpaceMonkey-66: I still have a bolt action single shot .22 that my grandfather bought from Sears.  Apart from having the barrel reblued, works just as good as the day it was bought, sometime in the late 1910s to 20s.


The most reliable .22 semi-auto I own is a janky, rusty, cracked-bakelite-stocked Coast to Coast Hardware something or other I picked up for $50. Never a jam, and if it doesn't fire it's either empty or you loaded (yet another) shiatty round. Somehow also accurate, just be careful you don't pinch your palm in the stock.

/Seems to be another Savage rebrand, but there's no mention of it on the gun.
 
2023-01-30 10:45:33 AM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: SpaceMonkey-66: I still have a bolt action single shot .22 that my grandfather bought from Sears.  Apart from having the barrel reblued, works just as good as the day it was bought, sometime in the late 1910s to 20s.

The most reliable .22 semi-auto I own is a janky, rusty, cracked-bakelite-stocked Coast to Coast Hardware something or other I picked up for $50. Never a jam, and if it doesn't fire it's either empty or you loaded (yet another) shiatty round. Somehow also accurate, just be careful you don't pinch your palm in the stock.

/Seems to be another Savage rebrand, but there's no mention of it on the gun.


Jennings?
 
2023-01-30 10:50:58 AM  

NeoCortex42: I would have just assumed they did.  Over most of its run, if it was something that could be sold, the Sears catalog had it.  Sears losing out to Amazon is one of the biggest corporate failures in world history.  They had all the infrastructure and logistics to hit the ground running (plus physical locations Amazon had none of), but opted not to chase online sales.


By the time Amazon was a thing, Sears had already discontinued catalog sales and dismantled their distribution network.

Sears closed down their catalog sales in the early '90s, before the Internet was a thing. They sold PCs and gave away a ton of Prodigy & AOL disks, but never saw homes computers as more than expensive toys. The whole shutdown was a panic response to a couple years of falling catalog sales while in store sales were steadily rising. They saw big, indoor malls, anchored by a giant department store as the future. They figured if they didn't jump, JC Penny, Montgomery Wards and the like would crush them.

I don't know why anyone would find that weird that Sears sold guns, it was pretty common not that long ago. Up until the gun control act of '68 almost every local hardware store sold guns, as did pretty much every big department store.

Most K-Marts in the USA had a "sporting goods" counter that sold guns up until the mid-90's. Plenty of Walmarts still have gun counters. JC Penny used to sell them.  Hell, even Ambercrombie & Fitch used to sell guns.
 
2023-01-30 10:54:54 AM  

Fano: baka-san: Gleeman: Kind of a tragedy Sears didn't become Amazon. All the infrastructure was right there but the people in charge didn't want anything to do with that fancy dial up internet stuff.

Same with Speigel

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2023-01-30 10:59:34 AM  
We oldsters remember a reproduction that came out in the late 60s/early 70s of an early century catalog. My folks had one and I spent hours looking at it. It's been lost to time/moves/deaths. But saw this online.

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2023-01-30 11:04:10 AM  

p89tech: NeoCortex42: I would have just assumed they did.  Over most of its run, if it was something that could be sold, the Sears catalog had it.  Sears losing out to Amazon is one of the biggest corporate failures in world history.  They had all the infrastructure and logistics to hit the ground running (plus physical locations Amazon had none of), but opted not to chase online sales.

By the time Amazon was a thing, Sears had already discontinued catalog sales and dismantled their distribution network.

Sears closed down their catalog sales in the early '90s, before the Internet was a thing. They sold PCs and gave away a ton of Prodigy & AOL disks, but never saw homes computers as more than expensive toys. The whole shutdown was a panic response to a couple years of falling catalog sales while in store sales were steadily rising. They saw big, indoor malls, anchored by a giant department store as the future. They figured if they didn't jump, JC Penny, Montgomery Wards and the like would crush them.

I don't know why anyone would find that weird that Sears sold guns, it was pretty common not that long ago. Up until the gun control act of '68 almost every local hardware store sold guns, as did pretty much every big department store.

Most K-Marts in the USA had a "sporting goods" counter that sold guns up until the mid-90's. Plenty of Walmarts still have gun counters. JC Penny used to sell them.  Hell, even Ambercrombie & Fitch used to sell guns.


Yeah, Amazon didn't kill Sears. Big box retailers killed Sears. Amazon was a book selling website that survived the sitcom bubble before it became what it is today.  Like sure they could have just completely dismantled their business and planned for technologies that were 20-30 years away and just take losses the entire time but that  is like saying, why didn't Motorola just invent the IPhone? Why didn't Amazon make Facebook?  Why didn't Microsoft just create Google?
 
2023-01-30 11:05:11 AM  

p89tech: NeoCortex42: I would have just assumed they did.  Over most of its run, if it was something that could be sold, the Sears catalog had it.  Sears losing out to Amazon is one of the biggest corporate failures in world history.  They had all the infrastructure and logistics to hit the ground running (plus physical locations Amazon had none of), but opted not to chase online sales.

By the time Amazon was a thing, Sears had already discontinued catalog sales and dismantled their distribution network.

Sears closed down their catalog sales in the early '90s, before the Internet was a thing. They sold PCs and gave away a ton of Prodigy & AOL disks, but never saw homes computers as more than expensive toys. The whole shutdown was a panic response to a couple years of falling catalog sales while in store sales were steadily rising. They saw big, indoor malls, anchored by a giant department store as the future. They figured if they didn't jump, JC Penny, Montgomery Wards and the like would crush them.

I don't know why anyone would find that weird that Sears sold guns, it was pretty common not that long ago. Up until the gun control act of '68 almost every local hardware store sold guns, as did pretty much every big department store.

Most K-Marts in the USA had a "sporting goods" counter that sold guns up until the mid-90's. Plenty of Walmarts still have gun counters. JC Penny used to sell them.  Hell, even Ambercrombie & Fitch used to sell guns.


Oh the Sport Mart at the mall as a kid in the 80 they had guns. You can see it in general movies set in the 70s and 80s that guns were considered "sporting goods."
Granted they wouldn't have like AR -15s or military tacticool stuff, just grandpa shot guns and shooting irons, and I guess starter pistols and whatever you use to blow away woodchucks.
 
2023-01-30 11:05:13 AM  
our first home was a 100yr old S&R DIY bungalow. 800 sq ft. Mrs. Swimo and I are very large people. could not walk from the front door through the house without knocking things over. lived there 18 years, paid it off in 13. we lived right on top of a rail road in a poor town. lots of good memories, that home.
 
2023-01-30 11:06:30 AM  

Mikey1969: I have one of those shotguns, a hand me down novelty at this point. It's a fine example of a Samuel S Holt gun... Doing some research, it appears they danced along the trademark infringement line with their guns.


Judging by the thread, if there is one thing Sears did well, it's sell guns. I remember seeing them in catalogs in the 80's and 90's as a kid too.

Still have fond memories of these books, and getting my own color highlighter to choose what I hoped for for Christmas in it.
 
2023-01-30 11:08:33 AM  

Ray_Finkle: p89tech: NeoCortex42: I would have just assumed they did.  Over most of its run, if it was something that could be sold, the Sears catalog had it.  Sears losing out to Amazon is one of the biggest corporate failures in world history.  They had all the infrastructure and logistics to hit the ground running (plus physical locations Amazon had none of), but opted not to chase online sales.

By the time Amazon was a thing, Sears had already discontinued catalog sales and dismantled their distribution network.

Sears closed down their catalog sales in the early '90s, before the Internet was a thing. They sold PCs and gave away a ton of Prodigy & AOL disks, but never saw homes computers as more than expensive toys. The whole shutdown was a panic response to a couple years of falling catalog sales while in store sales were steadily rising. They saw big, indoor malls, anchored by a giant department store as the future. They figured if they didn't jump, JC Penny, Montgomery Wards and the like would crush them.

I don't know why anyone would find that weird that Sears sold guns, it was pretty common not that long ago. Up until the gun control act of '68 almost every local hardware store sold guns, as did pretty much every big department store.

Most K-Marts in the USA had a "sporting goods" counter that sold guns up until the mid-90's. Plenty of Walmarts still have gun counters. JC Penny used to sell them.  Hell, even Ambercrombie & Fitch used to sell guns.

Yeah, Amazon didn't kill Sears. Big box retailers killed Sears. Amazon was a book selling website that survived the sitcom bubble before it became what it is today.  Like sure they could have just completely dismantled their business and planned for technologies that were 20-30 years away and just take losses the entire time but that  is like saying, why didn't Motorola just invent the IPhone? Why didn't Amazon make Facebook?  Why didn't Microsoft just create Google?


Here's one, Kodak had MULTIPLE chances to get into digital and squandered them all
 
2023-01-30 11:09:36 AM  
Sears sold guns in their catalog and in the stores right up until the end

They had them out on the floor in my store right next to the video game displays

Beautiful rifles as i recall. I remember admiring them fondly when we were there playing the Intellivision when my mom was grabbing us more toughskins jeans...
 
2023-01-30 11:13:13 AM  

Fano: Granted they wouldn't have like AR -15s or military tacticool stuff, just grandpa shot guns and shooting irons, and I guess starter pistols and whatever you use to blow away woodchucks.


Maybe not AR's, but I remember Mini-30's I'm pretty sure. 

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"Over 67 years we've sold enough guns to arm all of Napoleon's armies!"
 
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2023-01-30 11:13:44 AM  

Flowery Twats: Speaking of which...has anyone else noticed that Amazon seems to have degraded over the years, into a Chinese junk market? Not entirely, you can still find the real stuff, but you need to be more and more careful in your selection to avoid repacks, damaged goods being resold and just out and out fakes? And their packaging is beginning to leave a LOT to be desired...flimsy envelopes instead of boxes, boxes with nothing but  token air bag or two as padding...etc.


I have no problem with their packing, but I understand what you mean about Amazon becoming full of junk goods.  There are large amounts of hazardous, poorly made goods and things that are broken from the beginning.

I went looking for a tea kettle and most of them had reviews mentioning melting plastic whistlers, poorly secured handles, and sometimes, poorly made seams.  It was a results page of injury machines, I don't believe I'll buy a kettle through Amazon.
 
2023-01-30 11:15:24 AM  

EffervescingElephant: toughskins jeans...


Clearly size "Husky," if your username is to be believed.
 
2023-01-30 11:24:17 AM  
Even in California Big 5 had guns, then ammo even if no guns until the ammo background check bullshiat.
 
2023-01-30 11:28:18 AM  
Young boy me was interest in only one thing in the Sears catalogue.
 
2023-01-30 11:33:15 AM  

DuneClimber: Young boy me was interest in only one thing in the Sears catalogue.


Bras. It must have been the bras. Nursing bras were the best because they would show how the flap opens and you could get an extra peek at boob flesh.

The Internet didn't always exist, you young whippersnappers, we made do with what we had.
 
2023-01-30 11:34:01 AM  

Gleeman: Kind of a tragedy Sears didn't become Amazon. All the infrastructure was right there but the people in charge didn't want anything to do with that fancy dial up internet stuff.


I knew a woman who ran an army-navy surplus store before 'e-commerce' was part of the daily lexicon.  I offered to get her biz online for very little money....I really just wanted the experience.  To my face she politely declined.  Behind my back she said some very nasty things about my offer.  Not too long after that she began complaining, "People come in here, handle merchandise, try on clothes and walk out and order it on line."  Eventually she had someone set up a web page but no online ordering.  Not too long after that she 'retired' and closed the business.

30 years ago there were a lot of 'smart' people who were sure the internet and computers were just a fad.  How soon we forget.
 
2023-01-30 11:37:56 AM  

phimuskapsi: Fano: Granted they wouldn't have like AR -15s or military tacticool stuff, just grandpa shot guns and shooting irons, and I guess starter pistols and whatever you use to blow away woodchucks.

Maybe not AR's, but I remember Mini-30's I'm pretty sure. 

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"Over 67 years we've sold enough guns to arm all of Napoleon's armies!"


It became illegal to mail order guns and have them shipped directly to your home after 1968.  Guns remained in the Sears catalog but they had to be picked up in store or shipped to an FFL after 1968.
 
2023-01-30 11:41:00 AM  

Mr. Tweedy: Gleeman: Kind of a tragedy Sears didn't become Amazon. All the infrastructure was right there but the people in charge didn't want anything to do with that fancy dial up internet stuff.

And what's even more mind-blowing is Sears was the Amazon of the 1900's by getting into catalog sales when other companies shrugged it off. Amazon was not an original idea in the slightest - it literally just followed the Sears playbook and replaced "catalog" with "website". Now Sears could have corrected the mistake of missing the internet train, but then in walks Eddie Lampert with his Ayn Rand MBA to put a stop to that.


It's ridiculous that we have these near-perfect case studies in libertarian failure, like Lampert and Sears, or the disaster that is Grafton, NH, yet people still continue to argue its merits.
 
2023-01-30 11:42:23 AM  

drewogatory: ammo background check bullshiat.


03 FFL and COE are worth it if you shoot a lot.
 
2023-01-30 11:42:30 AM  
CSB, we live in one of these, or a near knock-off with some local materials and a stained glass window:

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/ somebody walled in the porch though, which have been great if they had been competent
 
2023-01-30 11:45:19 AM  

Fissile: 30 years ago there were a lot of 'smart' people who were sure the internet and computers were just a fad.


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2023-01-30 11:45:40 AM  

macadamnut: CSB, we live in one of these, or a near knock-off with some local materials and a stained glass window:

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/ somebody walled in the porch though, which have been great if they had been competent


Sears offered the 'Craftsman' line of kit homes which can be found all over the country.   Today new homes built in that style are still know as 'Craftsman'.
 
2023-01-30 11:46:26 AM  

The Smails Kid: drewogatory: ammo background check bullshiat.

03 FFL and COE are worth it if you shoot a lot.


I've had an 03/COE forever, or since they cracked down on kitchen table FFLs anyway.
 
2023-01-30 11:49:54 AM  

Jojo_TheDogFacedBoy: DuneClimber: Young boy me was interest in only one thing in the Sears catalogue.

Bras. It must have been the bras. Nursing bras were the best because they would show how the flap opens and you could get an extra peek at boob flesh.

The Internet didn't always exist, you young whippersnappers, we made do with what we had.


Yes, it was the bras.

Also, I now see the glaring typo I made in my original comment. Considering it's nearly noon and I've been at work for three hours, I really should be awake by now.
 
2023-01-30 11:50:27 AM  

drewogatory: The Smails Kid: drewogatory: ammo background check bullshiat.

03 FFL and COE are worth it if you shoot a lot.

I've had an 03/COE forever, or since they cracked down on kitchen table FFLs anyway.


CalGuns has a list of online retailers that will ship with FFL03/COE. CMP will, Midway won't. I've had varying success with others, but can't remember which ones offhand.
 
2023-01-30 11:53:33 AM  

Fissile: macadamnut: CSB, we live in one of these, or a near knock-off with some local materials and a stained glass window:

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/ somebody walled in the porch though, which have been great if they had been competent

Sears offered the 'Craftsman' line of kit homes which can be found all over the country.   Today new homes built in that style are still know as 'Craftsman'.


Yep, ours was built in 1925, some tiny variations from the floor plan, no in-floor tiled tub, and a partially finished basement.  I wonder if you could buy the plans and then a la carte the materials.  We definitely got the Sears doorknobs for example.
And we're two blocks from the old train depot.
 
2023-01-30 11:54:07 AM  

The Smails Kid: drewogatory: The Smails Kid: drewogatory: ammo background check bullshiat.

03 FFL and COE are worth it if you shoot a lot.

I've had an 03/COE forever, or since they cracked down on kitchen table FFLs anyway.

CalGuns has a list of online retailers that will ship with FFL03/COE. CMP will, Midway won't. I've had varying success with others, but can't remember which ones offhand.


Man, I'll never shoot all the ammo I already have, except maybe the .22. It's a hour's drive to a decent outdoor range for me. All I really do now is bust clays, or try to.
 
2023-01-30 11:55:11 AM  

drewogatory: Man, I'll never shoot all the ammo I already have, except maybe the .22. It's a hour's drive to a decent outdoor range for me. All I really do now is bust clays, or try to.


Certainly not with that attitude.
 
2023-01-30 11:55:23 AM  

drewogatory: The Smails Kid: drewogatory: ammo background check bullshiat.

03 FFL and COE are worth it if you shoot a lot.

I've had an 03/COE forever, or since they cracked down on kitchen table FFLs anyway.


Even if you have a C&R you can't order anything in NJ unless you've got a state dealer license as well.
 
2023-01-30 11:57:48 AM  

The Smails Kid: drewogatory: Man, I'll never shoot all the ammo I already have, except maybe the .22. It's a hour's drive to a decent outdoor range for me. All I really do now is bust clays, or try to.

Certainly not with that attitude.


Just need more practice. I'd be out there 5 days a week if I could.
 
2023-01-30 11:59:46 AM  

Ray_Finkle: Yeah, Amazon didn't kill Sears. Big box retailers killed Sears.


Sears Killed Sears.

Sears was sitting pretty with Prodigy and online ordering. It had it's entire catalog available for online ordering.
And selected items featured on it's 80's graphic page.
Then it got greedy...it wanted it ALL. Including being the gatekeeper for home internet access, and blocking other shopping and travel services (you'd have to get a Sears Prodigy account to access 'internet' after all...and they'd hold those keys). IF they'd just cooled their jets and joined the party they'd be doing well today.

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