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(Radio Free Europe)   Russian airlines are forced to resort to cannibalism due to western sanctions. Uruguayan Air Force Flight 571 survivors seen nodding knowingly   (rferl.org) divider line
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eurotrader [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-29 2:56:17 PM  
Who cares if a criminal terrorist state planes crash in their own country.
 
Unobtanium [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-29 3:13:21 PM  
On January 9, a 4-year-old Airbus A320 operated by the Russian airline S7 was flying from the Siberian city of Bratsk to Moscow when it encountered a problem: Its toilet system malfunctioned.

Pfft. I was on an A320 last week on a U.S. carrier on a domestic flight where the thing didn't have running water, so they had the lavatory sinks full of Purel sanitizer wipe packets. We landed and I got an email saying they were giving me 5000 frequent flyer miles for the inconvenience.
 
west.la.lawyer [TotalFark]
2023-01-29 6:34:47 PM  
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12349876
2023-01-29 9:47:24 PM  
For those who don't know, there are more Boeings and Airbuses in Russia than you might think.

One example is Aeroflot.  They've made some big orders recently from Irkhut, Sukhoi and Tupolev, but as of October all but 4 of their 177 aircraft are Airbus and Boeing.
 
jclaggett
2023-01-29 10:10:20 PM  

Unobtanium: On January 9, a 4-year-old Airbus A320 operated by the Russian airline S7 was flying from the Siberian city of Bratsk to Moscow when it encountered a problem: Its toilet system malfunctioned.

Pfft. I was on an A320 last week on a U.S. carrier on a domestic flight where the thing didn't have running water, so they had the lavatory sinks full of Purel sanitizer wipe packets. We landed and I got an email saying they were giving me 5000 frequent flyer miles for the inconvenience.


No running water from the sinks is a lot different than not being able to flush the lavs.

Different plumbing, and different MEL line items.
 
Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo
2023-01-29 10:32:40 PM  

Unobtanium: On January 9, a 4-year-old Airbus A320 operated by the Russian airline S7 was flying from the Siberian city of Bratsk to Moscow when it encountered a problem: Its toilet system malfunctioned.



I'm guessing they drilled a hole out the bottom and called it job done.
 
Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste
2023-01-29 10:33:07 PM  
A couple of Russian airlines are eating a clown.

One turns to the other, says, "This taste funny to you?"
 
Lsherm [TotalFark]
2023-01-29 11:49:54 PM  

eurotrader: Who cares if a criminal terrorist state planes crash in their own country.


Honestly? I do. You can't assume that every person in Russia agrees with Putin, but they're all going to pay the price when these planes start crashing. It's a form of collective punishment, something expressly forbidden by the Geneva conventions. However, since airline travel isn't recognized as a universal right, we can do it.

That isn't going to make it any better morally when these planes start falling out of the sky and killing people. And I'm not carrying water for Russia as a country, I don't know what the proper solution to this problem is, just that it's a problem.
 
eurotrader [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-30 12:05:29 AM  

Lsherm: eurotrader: Who cares if a criminal terrorist state planes crash in their own country.

Honestly? I do. You can't assume that every person in Russia agrees with Putin, but they're all going to pay the price when these planes start crashing. It's a form of collective punishment, something expressly forbidden by the Geneva conventions. However, since airline travel isn't recognized as a universal right, we can do it.

That isn't going to make it any better morally when these planes start falling out of the sky and killing people. And I'm not carrying water for Russia as a country, I don't know what the proper solution to this problem is, just that it's a problem.


I am also against senseless deaths. Russian only has about 175 million citizens and could provide a French/German of social support for all citizens of Russia if the criminal and corrupt government of Russia were removed by some means. It is a marketing issue, the question is how many Russia airlines have to go down to reach a number to change government.
 
Lsherm [TotalFark]
2023-01-30 12:11:05 AM  

eurotrader: It is a marketing issue, the question is how many Russia airlines have to go down to reach a number to change government.


Well I think we can stop pretending that Russia is any form of democracy, to change the government someone needs to form a coup. And to form a coup means we're just going to have another dictator with different goals.
 
eurotrader [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-30 12:17:11 AM  

Lsherm: eurotrader: It is a marketing issue, the question is how many Russia airlines have to go down to reach a number to change government.

Well I think we can stop pretending that Russia is any form of democracy, to change the government someone needs to form a coup. And to form a coup means we're just going to have another dictator with different goals.


I am not that nihilistic and some former Russian stooge countries still have a functioning democracy after the fall over the wall.

Always look at the bright side of life.
 
alienated
2023-01-30 12:49:52 AM  
If ever there was a thread for a certain Pan American airline to make an appearance, well , it would be this one .
 
OrionXVI
2023-01-30 2:30:51 AM  

Lsherm: eurotrader: Who cares if a criminal terrorist state planes crash in their own country.

Honestly? I do. You can't assume that every person in Russia agrees with Putin, but they're all going to pay the price when these planes start crashing. It's a form of collective punishment, something expressly forbidden by the Geneva conventions. However, since airline travel isn't recognized as a universal right, we can do it.

That isn't going to make it any better morally when these planes start falling out of the sky and killing people. And I'm not carrying water for Russia as a country, I don't know what the proper solution to this problem is, just that it's a problem.


Your current options are:
(1) send parts to people piloting stolen aircraft (there were leased, not owned) that you may not get paid for (they did steal the aircraft after all) with the potential that the aircraft parts could be re-routed for cargo/warplanes to kill Ukrainians in the current conflict.

(2) Deny them parts, which may cause them to crash because they're no longer airworthy.

Unless someone comes up with a better idea, the lesser of two evils at this point is option 2.
 
Lsherm [TotalFark]
2023-01-30 2:38:07 AM  

OrionXVI: Lsherm: eurotrader: Who cares if a criminal terrorist state planes crash in their own country.

Honestly? I do. You can't assume that every person in Russia agrees with Putin, but they're all going to pay the price when these planes start crashing. It's a form of collective punishment, something expressly forbidden by the Geneva conventions. However, since airline travel isn't recognized as a universal right, we can do it.

That isn't going to make it any better morally when these planes start falling out of the sky and killing people. And I'm not carrying water for Russia as a country, I don't know what the proper solution to this problem is, just that it's a problem.

Your current options are:
(1) send parts to people piloting stolen aircraft (there were leased, not owned) that you may not get paid for (they did steal the aircraft after all) with the potential that the aircraft parts could be re-routed for cargo/warplanes to kill Ukrainians in the current conflict.

(2) Deny them parts, which may cause them to crash because they're no longer airworthy.

Unless someone comes up with a better idea, the lesser of two evils at this point is option 2.


3 - I'm spitballing - Russia agrees to a civilian service program and those planes are serviced outside Russia while Russia pays for the program.
 
OrionXVI
2023-01-30 2:52:03 AM  

Lsherm: OrionXVI: Lsherm: eurotrader: Who cares if a criminal terrorist state planes crash in their own country.

Honestly? I do. You can't assume that every person in Russia agrees with Putin, but they're all going to pay the price when these planes start crashing. It's a form of collective punishment, something expressly forbidden by the Geneva conventions. However, since airline travel isn't recognized as a universal right, we can do it.

That isn't going to make it any better morally when these planes start falling out of the sky and killing people. And I'm not carrying water for Russia as a country, I don't know what the proper solution to this problem is, just that it's a problem.

Your current options are:
(1) send parts to people piloting stolen aircraft (there were leased, not owned) that you may not get paid for (they did steal the aircraft after all) with the potential that the aircraft parts could be re-routed for cargo/warplanes to kill Ukrainians in the current conflict.

(2) Deny them parts, which may cause them to crash because they're no longer airworthy.

Unless someone comes up with a better idea, the lesser of two evils at this point is option 2.

3 - I'm spitballing - Russia agrees to a civilian service program and those planes are serviced outside Russia while Russia pays for the program.


Two issues.
(1)  They're not considered airworthy outside of Russia, so no one would let them land in other countries airspace (parts and repairs have to be certified)
(2)  If they did land, the aircraft will be repossessed if they leave Russia since the vast majority of Airbus/Boeing aircraft in the Russian fleets were leased, and they weren't paid for before they were claimed by Russia.
 
monsatano [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-30 4:56:21 AM  

Lsherm: OrionXVI: Lsherm: eurotrader: Who cares if a criminal terrorist state planes crash in their own country.

Honestly? I do. You can't assume that every person in Russia agrees with Putin, but they're all going to pay the price when these planes start crashing. It's a form of collective punishment, something expressly forbidden by the Geneva conventions. However, since airline travel isn't recognized as a universal right, we can do it.

That isn't going to make it any better morally when these planes start falling out of the sky and killing people. And I'm not carrying water for Russia as a country, I don't know what the proper solution to this problem is, just that it's a problem.

Your current options are:
(1) send parts to people piloting stolen aircraft (there were leased, not owned) that you may not get paid for (they did steal the aircraft after all) with the potential that the aircraft parts could be re-routed for cargo/warplanes to kill Ukrainians in the current conflict.

(2) Deny them parts, which may cause them to crash because they're no longer airworthy.

Unless someone comes up with a better idea, the lesser of two evils at this point is option 2.

3 - I'm spitballing - Russia agrees to a civilian service program and those planes are serviced outside Russia while Russia pays for the program.


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mehhhhhh
2023-01-30 5:43:04 AM  
I remember riding aeroflot. They didn't / couldn't properly pressurize the cabin.
 
DON.MAC [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-30 6:16:18 AM  
One of the problems with airplane maintenance is that you need a lot of new parts just to swap something. Something as simple as generator for a small 2 seat plane will require new bolts, a new gasket and new lock wire at least. In a pinch the old bolts will work and the gasket is only about vibration so it could be ignored for a while and the wire locks are to keep the bolts from turning due to vibration. A 747 only has about 6 million parts so a vast majority of them could be just swapped but the ones that wear out are the problems.
 
Rapmaster2000
2023-01-30 6:43:04 AM  
The paper also cited a case that predated Western sanctions: In 2020, cockpit glass needed to be replaced in one aircraft, but instead of letting the manufacturer do it, workers did it themselves -

The maintenance chief billed it against the manufacturer and tried to pocket the difference.  It's a kleptocracy. Everyone steaks.
 
Carter Pewterschmidt [TotalFark]
2023-01-30 7:53:11 AM  

DON.MAC: A 747 only has about 6 million parts so a vast majority of them could be just swapped but the ones that wear out are the problems.


Also if you have an aging fleet the parts that are starting to wear out on your operation planes will also be pretty worn out on your mothballed planes. Plus you are doubling the amount of work needed. Instead of grabbing a part from a shelf and spending an hour installing it you now have to spend an hour removing it from the donor and then another hour fitting it to the in service plane, let alone the time to inspect it to make sure it still works. If you only have a limited pool of qualified mechanics and you have doubled their workload....
 
Schlubbe [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-30 11:39:58 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: DON.MAC: A 747 only has about 6 million parts so a vast majority of them could be just swapped but the ones that wear out are the problems.

Also if you have an aging fleet the parts that are starting to wear out on your operation planes will also be pretty worn out on your mothballed planes. Plus you are doubling the amount of work needed. Instead of grabbing a part from a shelf and spending an hour installing it you now have to spend an hour removing it from the donor and then another hour fitting it to the in service plane, let alone the time to inspect it to make sure it still works. If you only have a limited pool of qualified mechanics and you have doubled their workload....


And the senior mechanics have to do it themselves, as the 'kid' who they would previously have doing the grunt work is now stuck in a muddy trench along the Dnipro
 
grimlock1972
2023-01-30 12:24:45 PM  
Not at all surprised as i figured all along that the Russian Airline industry could potentially be the first to have to be shut entirely down due to sanctions  preventing them from getting essential repair parts.   Only question now i s, what happens first the Russian planes run out of usable parts  to scavenge or does the conflict in Ukraine end.
 
VisualiseThis
2023-01-30 1:45:16 PM  
Aircraft maintenance is a self-solving issue on a long enough timeline.
 
Carter Pewterschmidt [TotalFark]
2023-01-30 5:08:20 PM  

grimlock1972: Not at all surprised as i figured all along that the Russian Airline industry could potentially be the first to have to be shut entirely down due to sanctions  preventing them from getting essential repair parts.   Only question now i s, what happens first the Russian planes run out of usable parts  to scavenge or does the conflict in Ukraine end.


Luckily for Russia their country is small and they can easily get around by car.

No, wait. The other thing.
 
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