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bostonguy [TotalFark]
2023-01-29 2:59:42 PM  
So the Daleks are Disney villains now?
 
Exile On Beale Street [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-29 3:09:58 PM  
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dhcmrlchtdj [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-29 3:39:08 PM  

bostonguy: So the Daleks are Disney villains now?


And the Doctor is a Disney princess.
 
UNC_Samurai
2023-01-29 6:33:40 PM  
Will the increased budget allow them to hire someone to tell RTD when he's being a little too George Lucas-y?
 
OtherLittleGuy [BareFark]
2023-01-29 6:34:03 PM  

dhcmrlchtdj: bostonguy: So the Daleks are Disney villains now?

And the Doctor is a Disney princess.


Sarah Jane is a Disney Princess.

/change my mind
 
ReaverZ
2023-01-29 6:42:28 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: dhcmrlchtdj: bostonguy: So the Daleks are Disney villains now?

And the Doctor is a Disney princess.

Sarah Jane is a Disney Princess.

/change my mind


she doesn't sing
 
calufrax
2023-01-29 6:43:26 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: dhcmrlchtdj: bostonguy: So the Daleks are Disney villains now?

And the Doctor is a Disney princess.

Sarah Jane is a Disney Princess.

/change my mind


Not that I disagree on that point, but it does open the door for Mel Bush to be a Disney Princess...
 
Bslim [TotalFark]
2023-01-29 7:07:21 PM  
Anything that washes the the Chinball stink is alright by me. Go ahead, Mr. Davis.
 
OtherLittleGuy [BareFark]
2023-01-29 7:14:32 PM  

ReaverZ: OtherLittleGuy: dhcmrlchtdj: bostonguy: So the Daleks are Disney villains now?

And the Doctor is a Disney princess.

Sarah Jane is a Disney Princess.

/change my mind

she doesn't sing


She whistles.
 
Quantumbunny
2023-01-29 7:15:29 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: dhcmrlchtdj: bostonguy: So the Daleks are Disney villains now?

And the Doctor is a Disney princess.

Sarah Jane is a Disney Princess.

/change my mind


Criteria is simple:

1) must be a female human or human like character
2) must be a main character in popular non-sequel MOVIE
3) MOVIE must be a huge hit, but not massive (this is why Anna and Elsa, as well as Tinkerbell are out)
4) must be royalty or commit an act of heroism (aka the Mulan clause)

Some people posit other rules, like singing, but Merida and Raya don't sing. Also, you gotta keep those numbers up or you go the way of Esmeralda and get booted from the club.

Which movie was Sarah Jane in? And how are her worldwide sales numbers doing for merch?
 
calufrax
2023-01-29 7:22:06 PM  
Quantumbunny: ....
Criteria is simple:

1) must be a female human or human like character
2) must be a main character in popular non-sequel MOVIE
3) MOVIE must be a huge hit, but not massive (this is why Anna and Elsa, as well as Tinkerbell are out)
4) must be royalty or commit an act of heroism (aka the Mulan clause)
...
Which movie was Sarah Jane in? And how are her worldwide sales numbers doing for merch?

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Movie!Susan, then?
 
PartTimeBuddha [OhFark]
2023-01-29 7:24:10 PM  
Dr Who is just Legends of Tomorrow with a better ship.
 
Mad_Radhu
2023-01-29 7:24:29 PM  

bostonguy: So the Daleks are Disney villains now?


They fought Batman, though.

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Mad_Radhu
2023-01-29 7:27:09 PM  

PartTimeBuddha: Dr Who is just Legends of Tomorrow with a better ship.


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PartTimeBuddha [OhFark]
2023-01-29 7:31:40 PM  

Mad_Radhu: PartTimeBuddha: Dr Who is just Legends of Tomorrow with a better ship.

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My nerd pass has expired. Little help, m'farker?
 
Aezetyr
2023-01-29 7:32:42 PM  
I couldn't give two farks what company owns Doctor Who or showing episodes. As long as the new ones have quality writing, stories, performances and cinematography.
 
Quantumbunny
2023-01-29 7:51:26 PM  

Aezetyr: I couldn't give two farks what company owns Doctor Who or showing episodes. As long as the new ones have quality writing, stories, performances and cinematography.


The camp, cheesiness, shoestring budget, and such are all keys to the Dr Who experience. Writing... Good may be a stretch.

Cinematography has never been a highlight. And performances? I dunno about that... Mixed at best. If you do a legit budget, you don't end up with trash cans that have plungers glued on. If you have good writing, actors, effects... is it really still Dr Who? Would whovians accept it?
 
baron von doodle [OhFark]
2023-01-29 8:05:04 PM  

Quantumbunny: Aezetyr: I couldn't give two farks what company owns Doctor Who or showing episodes. As long as the new ones have quality writing, stories, performances and cinematography.

The camp, cheesiness, shoestring budget, and such are all keys to the Dr Who experience. Writing... Good may be a stretch.

Cinematography has never been a highlight. And performances? I dunno about that... Mixed at best. If you do a legit budget, you don't end up with trash cans that have plungers glued on. If you have good writing, actors, effects... is it really still Dr Who? Would whovians accept it?


I was never a big Dr. Who fan, but I thought that was part of the appeal.
 
t3knomanser
2023-01-29 8:35:04 PM  

PartTimeBuddha: Mad_Radhu: PartTimeBuddha: Dr Who is just Legends of Tomorrow with a better ship.

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My nerd pass has expired. Little help, m'farker?


Doom Patrol.
 
t3knomanser
2023-01-29 8:41:47 PM  

Quantumbunny: The camp, cheesiness, shoestring budget, and such are all keys to the Dr Who experience. Writing... Good may be a stretch.


There are well written Doctor Who stories, but by and large they're part of Doctor Who serials, and the problem with serials is that your story needs to fit between 4 and 10 30-minute episodes, and it's a rare thing for that to really land neatly, which means you usually end up throwing in a bunch of padding. Which, if you're watching 30 minutes a week, and not expecting a conclusion for the rest of the month, only a few minutes of each episode is actually padding, and that padding doesn't land the same way. Like, Caves of Androzani or Genesis of the Daleks are pretty great for their era, but they'd never fly on modern TV. They're achingly slow, full of long take stage-play style conversations.

Which is to say, even at its best, the writing of Doctor Who isn't very modern, and honestly, I think NuWho never really got its feet under it writing-wise. There are some stand-out episodes- Dalek, for example. Blink. Fear Her.But the story arcs have never really worked- each season has ended with a fart deus ex machina, technobabble, and nonsense. It was true under RTD. It was true under Moffat. Chibnall at least sorta kinda tried to not have too much season arc, but also the production was clearly rushed and chaotic and the editor was operating with too little coverage and too tight a timeline (or was blindingly incompetent, but I doubt it).

(I was just kidding about Fear Her, checking to see if you're paying attention)
 
MikeyFuccon
2023-01-29 9:29:16 PM  

Quantumbunny: Aezetyr: I couldn't give two farks what company owns Doctor Who or showing episodes. As long as the new ones have quality writing, stories, performances and cinematography.

The camp, cheesiness, shoestring budget, and such are all keys to the Dr Who experience. Writing... Good may be a stretch.

Cinematography has never been a highlight. And performances? I dunno about that... Mixed at best. If you do a legit budget, you don't end up with trash cans that have plungers glued on. If you have good writing, actors, effects... is it really still Dr Who? Would whovians accept it?


Does it matter? Pleasing the anoraks is impossible. It rarely pays to even try.

It's been pointed out that Doctor Who lasted so long because it's never the same show for more than a few years. The Davies/Disney take will just be the latest reincarnation, as it were. If that bothers you, you presumably have every Tom Baker Doctor serial on VHS. You are not, and should not be, Disney's target demographic for its newly acquired IP.

This isn't an issue.
 
Mad_Radhu
2023-01-29 10:04:13 PM  

t3knomanser: PartTimeBuddha: Mad_Radhu: PartTimeBuddha: Dr Who is just Legends of Tomorrow with a better ship.

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My nerd pass has expired. Little help, m'farker?

Doom Patrol.


And the best part of that joke was that it was directed at Michelle Gomez, who previously played the female version of the Master.
 
Excelsior
2023-01-29 10:17:01 PM  

dhcmrlchtdj: bostonguy: So the Daleks are Disney villains now?

And the Doctor is a Disney princess.


So are Leia and Shuri.
 
EdgeRunner [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-29 10:18:30 PM  

Quantumbunny: OtherLittleGuy: dhcmrlchtdj: bostonguy: So the Daleks are Disney villains now?

And the Doctor is a Disney princess.

Sarah Jane is a Disney Princess.

/change my mind

Criteria is simple:

1) must be a female human or human like character
2) must be a main character in popular non-sequel MOVIE
3) MOVIE must be a huge hit, but not massive (this is why Anna and Elsa, as well as Tinkerbell are out)
4) must be royalty or commit an act of heroism (aka the Mulan clause)

Some people posit other rules, like singing, but Merida and Raya don't sing. Also, you gotta keep those numbers up or you go the way of Esmeralda and get booted from the club.

Which movie was Sarah Jane in? And how are her worldwide sales numbers doing for merch?


Thanks to Fathom Events giving theatrical presentations to some of the episodes, I guess Rose qualifies as a Disney princess. She doesn't sell as much merch as Snow White, but she's got way more action figures based on her than Vanellope von Schweetz does. She's also got a magical talking animal companion.

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Mad_Radhu
2023-01-29 10:22:05 PM  

t3knomanser: Quantumbunny: The camp, cheesiness, shoestring budget, and such are all keys to the Dr Who experience. Writing... Good may be a stretch.

There are well written Doctor Who stories, but by and large they're part of Doctor Who serials, and the problem with serials is that your story needs to fit between 4 and 10 30-minute episodes, and it's a rare thing for that to really land neatly, which means you usually end up throwing in a bunch of padding. Which, if you're watching 30 minutes a week, and not expecting a conclusion for the rest of the month, only a few minutes of each episode is actually padding, and that padding doesn't land the same way. Like, Caves of Androzani or Genesis of the Daleks are pretty great for their era, but they'd never fly on modern TV. They're achingly slow, full of long take stage-play style conversations.

Which is to say, even at its best, the writing of Doctor Who isn't very modern, and honestly, I think NuWho never really got its feet under it writing-wise. There are some stand-out episodes- Dalek, for example. Blink. Fear Her.But the story arcs have never really worked- each season has ended with a fart deus ex machina, technobabble, and nonsense. It was true under RTD. It was true under Moffat. Chibnall at least sorta kinda tried to not have too much season arc, but also the production was clearly rushed and chaotic and the editor was operating with too little coverage and too tight a timeline (or was blindingly incompetent, but I doubt it).

(I was just kidding about Fear Her, checking to see if you're paying attention)


For the new series, I felt like Series 5 had the best arc with Amy and the crack in the universe.

I feel like Moffat rushed the regeneration reset a bit though. I think Capaldi's tenure as the Doctor would have worked a lot better if Moffat had handwaved the regeneration count a bit (by either ignoring 10.5 or saying the the Second Doctor's forced regeneration didn't count), and made the whole arc for the 12th Doctor about the Doctor facing his mortality with his regenerations used up and struggling against his darker impulses and the temptation to go full Valeyard. A new regeneration cycle starting with the 13th Doctor would also more naturally explain the change in gender, too.
 
Quantumbunny
2023-01-29 10:46:23 PM  

EdgeRunner: Quantumbunny: OtherLittleGuy: dhcmrlchtdj: bostonguy: So the Daleks are Disney villains now?

And the Doctor is a Disney princess.

Sarah Jane is a Disney Princess.

/change my mind

Criteria is simple:

1) must be a female human or human like character
2) must be a main character in popular non-sequel MOVIE
3) MOVIE must be a huge hit, but not massive (this is why Anna and Elsa, as well as Tinkerbell are out)
4) must be royalty or commit an act of heroism (aka the Mulan clause)

Some people posit other rules, like singing, but Merida and Raya don't sing. Also, you gotta keep those numbers up or you go the way of Esmeralda and get booted from the club.

Which movie was Sarah Jane in? And how are her worldwide sales numbers doing for merch?

Thanks to Fathom Events giving theatrical presentations to some of the episodes, I guess Rose qualifies as a Disney princess. She doesn't sell as much merch as Snow White, but she's got way more action figures based on her than Vanellope von Schweetz does. She's also got a magical talking animal companion.

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That's just making up your own rules. Everyone's got toys.

Vanellope von Schweets isn't a Disney princess. Disney has no intention of making Sarah Silverman's character a Disney Princess.

And I guess I forgot the word "animated" in rule #2. Amy Adams ain't in either with Disenchanted.

Marvel has no Disney Princesses, Star Wars has no Disney Princesses, Dr Who doesn't either.
 
Darth_Lukecash
2023-01-29 10:58:42 PM  

bostonguy: So the Daleks are Disney villains now?


Nope: Daleks are still the property of Terry Nation.  At least the aliens themselves...the physical appearance are owned by the BBC

And the BBC owns Doctor Who...this is simply international streaming rights. Disney is kicking in a few more $$$ for the budget.
 
EdgeRunner [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-29 11:04:53 PM  

Quantumbunny: EdgeRunner: Quantumbunny: OtherLittleGuy: dhcmrlchtdj: bostonguy: So the Daleks are Disney villains now?

And the Doctor is a Disney princess.

Sarah Jane is a Disney Princess.

/change my mind

Criteria is simple:

1) must be a female human or human like character
2) must be a main character in popular non-sequel MOVIE
3) MOVIE must be a huge hit, but not massive (this is why Anna and Elsa, as well as Tinkerbell are out)
4) must be royalty or commit an act of heroism (aka the Mulan clause)

Some people posit other rules, like singing, but Merida and Raya don't sing. Also, you gotta keep those numbers up or you go the way of Esmeralda and get booted from the club.

Which movie was Sarah Jane in? And how are her worldwide sales numbers doing for merch?

Thanks to Fathom Events giving theatrical presentations to some of the episodes, I guess Rose qualifies as a Disney princess. She doesn't sell as much merch as Snow White, but she's got way more action figures based on her than Vanellope von Schweetz does. She's also got a magical talking animal companion.

[i.pinimg.com image 425x425]

That's just making up your own rules. Everyone's got toys.

Vanellope von Schweets isn't a Disney princess. Disney has no intention of making Sarah Silverman's character a Disney Princess.

And I guess I forgot the word "animated" in rule #2. Amy Adams ain't in either with Disenchanted.

Marvel has no Disney Princesses, Star Wars has no Disney Princesses, Dr Who doesn't either.


Princess von Schweetz is definitely a Disney thing, even if she doesn't get included in most of the group shots. Her inclusion into the Princess Pack is the best part of the otherwise kinda mediocre Wreck-It Ralph 2.

Ralph Breaks The Internet - Vanellope Meets The Disney Princesses (English) [HD]
Youtube If9RVl5g8FA
 
Excelsior
2023-01-29 11:05:42 PM  

Quantumbunny: EdgeRunner: Quantumbunny: OtherLittleGuy: dhcmrlchtdj: bostonguy: So the Daleks are Disney villains now?

And the Doctor is a Disney princess.

Sarah Jane is a Disney Princess.

/change my mind

Criteria is simple:

1) must be a female human or human like character
2) must be a main character in popular non-sequel MOVIE
3) MOVIE must be a huge hit, but not massive (this is why Anna and Elsa, as well as Tinkerbell are out)
4) must be royalty or commit an act of heroism (aka the Mulan clause)

Some people posit other rules, like singing, but Merida and Raya don't sing. Also, you gotta keep those numbers up or you go the way of Esmeralda and get booted from the club.

Which movie was Sarah Jane in? And how are her worldwide sales numbers doing for merch?

Thanks to Fathom Events giving theatrical presentations to some of the episodes, I guess Rose qualifies as a Disney princess. She doesn't sell as much merch as Snow White, but she's got way more action figures based on her than Vanellope von Schweetz does. She's also got a magical talking animal companion.

[i.pinimg.com image 425x425]

That's just making up your own rules. Everyone's got toys.

Vanellope von Schweets isn't a Disney princess. Disney has no intention of making Sarah Silverman's character a Disney Princess.


"She IS a princess!"

-- all the other Disney princesses. In an animated feature movie. By Disney.

Vanellope meets Disney Princesses | Wreck-It Ralph 2: Ralph Breaks the Internet | Animated Stories
Youtube ICUMGYHYBKY
 
Mole Man
2023-01-29 11:34:56 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: dhcmrlchtdj: bostonguy: So the Daleks are Disney villains now?

And the Doctor is a Disney princess.

Sarah Jane is a Disney Princess.

/change my mind


Sarah Jane is a queen.

River Song is an empress.
 
Darth_Lukecash
2023-01-29 11:44:21 PM  

t3knomanser: Quantumbunny: The camp, cheesiness, shoestring budget, and such are all keys to the Dr Who experience. Writing... Good may be a stretch.

There are well written Doctor Who stories, but by and large they're part of Doctor Who serials, and the problem with serials is that your story needs to fit between 4 and 10 30-minute episodes, and it's a rare thing for that to really land neatly, which means you usually end up throwing in a bunch of padding. Which, if you're watching 30 minutes a week, and not expecting a conclusion for the rest of the month, only a few minutes of each episode is actually padding, and that padding doesn't land the same way. Like, Caves of Androzani or Genesis of the Daleks are pretty great for their era, but they'd never fly on modern TV. They're achingly slow, full of long take stage-play style conversations.

Which is to say, even at its best, the writing of Doctor Who isn't very modern, and honestly, I think NuWho never really got its feet under it writing-wise. There are some stand-out episodes- Dalek, for example. Blink. Fear Her.But the story arcs have never really worked- each season has ended with a fart deus ex machina, technobabble, and nonsense. It was true under RTD. It was true under Moffat. Chibnall at least sorta kinda tried to not have too much season arc, but also the production was clearly rushed and chaotic and the editor was operating with too little coverage and too tight a timeline (or was blindingly incompetent, but I doubt it).

(I was just kidding about Fear Her, checking to see if you're paying attention)


I was about to rant on Fear Her.

But I will rant on this:

But the story arcs have never really worked- each season has ended with a fart deus ex machina, technobabble, and nonsense. It was true under RTD. It was true under Moffat.

The opposite of this is demonstrably true: Moffat was actually far better at the setting up and resolving story arcs in both seasons 5 and 6,

RTD who would have one verbal line or a "bad wolf" line going through, before having an season ending that made no sense: For example, Doctor ends up being a wizened little Dolby elf by the Master: then gets tinkerbelled back to full powered by Martha telling people about the Doctor.

Under Moffat the elements were set up and worked towards the resolution. Fifth season  The Crack in Amy's bedroom, The piece of the TARDIS, Amy not remembering who the Daleks were, The crack destroying worlds all lead to to the Pandorica opening.  Sixth season also had a complex plot that paid off in the final episode, the Doctor avoiding his "death". Questions of left off the fifth seasons were answered in the sixth.

The problem is BBC gave Moffat a choice: less budget for 12 episodes or split the series in half.  It hampered 6th season, so he did far less serialized story.

From Clara on it was more about the character arc: her first appearance was about how she showed up in the Doctor's timeline-which lead to the 50th anniversary.  With the Capaldi, how Clara's desire to balance her life with being a Doctors companion. Then it was  Claras ego getting out of control and getting herself killed, and the Doctors inability to grieve and move on.


Chibnall at least sorta kinda tried to not have too much season arc, but also the production was clearly rushed and chaotic and the editor was operating with too little coverage and too tight a timeline (or was blindingly incompetent, but I doubt it).

Moffat stuck around one more year because Chibnallwas wrapping up Broadchurch. Chibnall deliberately had no major story arcs, but did start seeding in the "timeless Child" concepts.   There was no story arc until Flux: which was a year long story that was hampered and cut down because of COVID. (I think they lost two or three episode)
 
Quantumbunny
2023-01-30 7:16:31 AM  

EdgeRunner: Quantumbunny: EdgeRunner: Quantumbunny: OtherLittleGuy: dhcmrlchtdj: bostonguy: So the Daleks are Disney villains now?

And the Doctor is a Disney princess.

Sarah Jane is a Disney Princess.

/change my mind

Criteria is simple:

1) must be a female human or human like character
2) must be a main character in popular non-sequel MOVIE
3) MOVIE must be a huge hit, but not massive (this is why Anna and Elsa, as well as Tinkerbell are out)
4) must be royalty or commit an act of heroism (aka the Mulan clause)

Some people posit other rules, like singing, but Merida and Raya don't sing. Also, you gotta keep those numbers up or you go the way of Esmeralda and get booted from the club.

Which movie was Sarah Jane in? And how are her worldwide sales numbers doing for merch?

Thanks to Fathom Events giving theatrical presentations to some of the episodes, I guess Rose qualifies as a Disney princess. She doesn't sell as much merch as Snow White, but she's got way more action figures based on her than Vanellope von Schweetz does. She's also got a magical talking animal companion.

[i.pinimg.com image 425x425]

That's just making up your own rules. Everyone's got toys.

Vanellope von Schweets isn't a Disney princess. Disney has no intention of making Sarah Silverman's character a Disney Princess.

And I guess I forgot the word "animated" in rule #2. Amy Adams ain't in either with Disenchanted.

Marvel has no Disney Princesses, Star Wars has no Disney Princesses, Dr Who doesn't either.

Princess von Schweetz is definitely a Disney thing, even if she doesn't get included in most of the group shots. Her inclusion into the Princess Pack is the best part of the otherwise kinda mediocre Wreck-It Ralph 2.

[YouTube video: Ralph Breaks The Internet - Vanellope Meets The Disney Princesses (English) [HD]]


You don't seem to understand. Disney Princess is not just a process in a Disney movie. Disney curates a list. They have to be crowned into the club.

The official list.

I'm not arguing with you about what could or would be a thing. This is the thing.
 
t3knomanser
2023-01-30 9:27:42 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: The Crack in Amy's bedroom, The piece of the TARDIS, Amy not remembering who the Daleks were, The crack destroying worlds all lead to to the Pandorica opening.  Sixth season also had a complex plot that paid off in the final episode, the Doctor avoiding his "death". Questions of left off the fifth seasons were answered in the sixth.


I mean, I don't see those as substantially different than "Bad Wolf", in terms of meaningful foreshadowing. It's just nonsense that technobabbles to a conclusion. I mean, they solve one season arc by just rebooting the universe. Which seems to pass by with minimal consequences past the finale. It was all just technobabble nonsense that, on a surface level, seems rooted in a puzzle-box plot each season, but the puzzle-box is, in actuality, empty. It's all just narrative sleight of hand to make it feel like it all tied together and meant something, but actually it didn't.

Flux was promising at least in pitch: a return to the old school serial format, updated for the modern era. Pity the whole Timeless Child turd was still floating in the punchbowl, and pity the script was incoherent nonsense. I watched the whole thing, but couldn't tell you a thing that happened aside from Skeletor showing up. And like, a house shrinking? I think that happened.

Honestly, Doctor Who needs to just go with the pretty bog-standard A/B plotting that so many TV shows do, letting whatever overarching mystery is going on rest as the B plot- like an actual B-plot, not just a few weird things that we totally swear are going to get explained by the end of the season. A-plot gets to be your monster of the week, B-plot gets to be the overarching mystery, and a few times a season you swap those around. And for the love of god, make the overarching mystery's stakes smaller for once. Bigger doesn't mean more interesting, and the "a crack is going to destroy all space and time" or "Skeletor is going to destroy all space and time" or "the Daleks will conquer the universe" are just... ugh.
 
EdgeRunner [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-30 10:06:08 AM  

Quantumbunny: You don't seem to understand. Disney Princess is not just a process in a Disney movie. Disney curates a list. They have to be crowned into the club.

The official list.

I'm not arguing with you about what could or would be a thing. This is the thing.


Strictly speaking, one's an established universe thing and one's a marketing thing. Schweetz is a Disney princess according to her character description and the company name on her movies. That's a given. But she wasn't a huge sales hiat, so she wasn't added to the toy roster of "official" Disney princesses. The toy roster is arbitrary and doesn't even require the characters to actually be princesses, allowing the inclusion of Mulan, and merch sales are the deciding factor in whether a character remains in the lineup or gets dropped, as Tinkerbell did.

And then there's princess characters like Sofia the First and Elena of Avalor, who had their own toy lines but not their own movies, so they don't get the nod to join the main club because they were only on TV.

The whole "princess rules" list is a load of nonsense that has nothing to do with princessing and everything to do with quarterly sales and group focused advertising.
 
ArcadianRefugee
2023-01-30 10:06:12 AM  
If they're not a princess, they shouldn't be called a Disney princess.

Although the upgrade from "Time Lady" to "Time Princess" is funny.
 
EdgeRunner [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-30 10:13:00 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: If they're not a princess, they shouldn't be called a Disney princess.

Although the upgrade from "Time Lady" to "Time Princess" is funny.


But does Romana get a technical nod for being a princess since she based a regeneration on a princess? She also boasted a suitably fancy wardrobe.

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Quantumbunny
2023-01-30 10:22:16 AM  

EdgeRunner: Quantumbunny: You don't seem to understand. Disney Princess is not just a process in a Disney movie. Disney curates a list. They have to be crowned into the club.

The official list.

I'm not arguing with you about what could or would be a thing. This is the thing.

Strictly speaking, one's an established universe thing and one's a marketing thing. Schweetz is a Disney princess according to her character description and the company name on her movies. That's a given. But she wasn't a huge sales hiat, so she wasn't added to the toy roster of "official" Disney princesses. The toy roster is arbitrary and doesn't even require the characters to actually be princesses, allowing the inclusion of Mulan, and merch sales are the deciding factor in whether a character remains in the lineup or gets dropped, as Tinkerbell did.

And then there's princess characters like Sofia the First and Elena of Avalor, who had their own toy lines but not their own movies, so they don't get the nod to join the main club because they were only on TV.

The whole "princess rules" list is a load of nonsense that has nothing to do with princessing and everything to do with quarterly sales and group focused advertising.


People misusing it colloquially doesn't make it real.

Disney Princess is a term established by Disney for marketing reasons. Basically, if you have a certain tier of name recognition, but not too little (Esmeralda) or too much (Tinkerbell, who they had head up the Disney Fairies, another marketing group) and they think grouping you with the other ones will help them sell dresses and toys, you're in.

It's like arguing that some other Nike shoes are Air Jordans because they look like Air Jordans or work the same as Air Jordans. They're all sneakers, but only the ones labelled that way by the company who owns them, are actually that thing.
 
EdgeRunner [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-30 10:37:04 AM  

Quantumbunny: EdgeRunner: Quantumbunny: You don't seem to understand. Disney Princess is not just a process in a Disney movie. Disney curates a list. They have to be crowned into the club.

The official list.

I'm not arguing with you about what could or would be a thing. This is the thing.

Strictly speaking, one's an established universe thing and one's a marketing thing. Schweetz is a Disney princess according to her character description and the company name on her movies. That's a given. But she wasn't a huge sales hiat, so she wasn't added to the toy roster of "official" Disney princesses. The toy roster is arbitrary and doesn't even require the characters to actually be princesses, allowing the inclusion of Mulan, and merch sales are the deciding factor in whether a character remains in the lineup or gets dropped, as Tinkerbell did.

And then there's princess characters like Sofia the First and Elena of Avalor, who had their own toy lines but not their own movies, so they don't get the nod to join the main club because they were only on TV.

The whole "princess rules" list is a load of nonsense that has nothing to do with princessing and everything to do with quarterly sales and group focused advertising.

People misusing it colloquially doesn't make it real.

Disney Princess is a term established by Disney for marketing reasons. Basically, if you have a certain tier of name recognition, but not too little (Esmeralda) or too much (Tinkerbell, who they had head up the Disney Fairies, another marketing group) and they think grouping you with the other ones will help them sell dresses and toys, you're in.

It's like arguing that some other Nike shoes are Air Jordans because they look like Air Jordans or work the same as Air Jordans. They're all sneakers, but only the ones labelled that way by the company who owns them, are actually that thing.


It's not a misuse to correctly point out a princess in a Disney movie is technically a Disney princess. It's showing up the market-driven baloney that tries to justify the sanctioned Disney Princess label as being anything other than a determination of who sells the most toys and outfits.

It's like parsing out which Marvel heroes are Avengers. Sure, there's an official team roster, but as far as the toy labeling goes, it's practically everybody.
 
ModernLuddite
2023-01-30 11:32:38 AM  

Aezetyr: I couldn't give two farks what company owns Doctor Who or showing episodes. As long as the new ones have quality writing, stories, performances and cinematography.


It does set a disturbing president for the defunding and dismantling of the BBC, however.

Disney should have no place propping up a successful, publicly funded, and popular series. Damn it. And an American corporation getting it's hands on a British institution is even more disturbing.

I'm Canadian, so seeing our own right-wing doing their best to destroy our public media is really depressing, and I would hate to see them use this trick to sell off the CBC piecemeal to some foreign company that will destroy journalism and local culture in the name of the right wing not having to deal with questions.
 
AgtSmithReloaded
2023-01-30 12:27:09 PM  
Fantastic.  So, how long until we get more brain-dead asshats crying "DiSnEy RuInEd DoCtOr WhO!1!!" like they do for any other franchise they have even the slightest amount of control over?

Who am I kidding?  It's probably happened already.
 
Fano
2023-01-30 3:34:22 PM  

EdgeRunner: Quantumbunny: EdgeRunner: Quantumbunny: You don't seem to understand. Disney Princess is not just a process in a Disney movie. Disney curates a list. They have to be crowned into the club.

The official list.

I'm not arguing with you about what could or would be a thing. This is the thing.

Strictly speaking, one's an established universe thing and one's a marketing thing. Schweetz is a Disney princess according to her character description and the company name on her movies. That's a given. But she wasn't a huge sales hiat, so she wasn't added to the toy roster of "official" Disney princesses. The toy roster is arbitrary and doesn't even require the characters to actually be princesses, allowing the inclusion of Mulan, and merch sales are the deciding factor in whether a character remains in the lineup or gets dropped, as Tinkerbell did.

And then there's princess characters like Sofia the First and Elena of Avalor, who had their own toy lines but not their own movies, so they don't get the nod to join the main club because they were only on TV.

The whole "princess rules" list is a load of nonsense that has nothing to do with princessing and everything to do with quarterly sales and group focused advertising.

People misusing it colloquially doesn't make it real.

Disney Princess is a term established by Disney for marketing reasons. Basically, if you have a certain tier of name recognition, but not too little (Esmeralda) or too much (Tinkerbell, who they had head up the Disney Fairies, another marketing group) and they think grouping you with the other ones will help them sell dresses and toys, you're in.

It's like arguing that some other Nike shoes are Air Jordans because they look like Air Jordans or work the same as Air Jordans. They're all sneakers, but only the ones labelled that way by the company who owns them, are actually that thing.

It's not a misuse to correctly point out a princess in a Disney movie is technically a Disney princess. It's showing up the market-driven baloney that tries to justify the sanctioned Disney Princess label as being anything other than a determination of who sells the most toys and outfits.

It's like parsing out which Marvel heroes are Avengers. Sure, there's an official team roster, but as far as the toy labeling goes, it's practically everybody.


I'm pretty sure nearly everyone in the marvel universe has been an avenger at one time or another.

Except for Forbush Man probably showing up like Bender trying to become a Globetrotter
 
ReaverZ
2023-01-30 5:32:28 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: ReaverZ: OtherLittleGuy: dhcmrlchtdj: bostonguy: So the Daleks are Disney villains now?

And the Doctor is a Disney princess.

Sarah Jane is a Disney Princess.

/change my mind

she doesn't sing

She whistles.


The  she is a Disney Dwarf
 
Herr Flick's Revenge
2023-01-30 6:43:35 PM  

ModernLuddite: Aezetyr: I couldn't give two farks what company owns Doctor Who or showing episodes. As long as the new ones have quality writing, stories, performances and cinematography.

It does set a disturbing president for the defunding and dismantling of the BBC, however.

Disney should have no place propping up a successful, publicly funded, and popular series. Damn it. And an American corporation getting it's hands on a British institution is even more disturbing.

I'm Canadian, so seeing our own right-wing doing their best to destroy our public media is really depressing, and I would hate to see them use this trick to sell off the CBC piecemeal to some foreign company that will destroy journalism and local culture in the name of the right wing not having to deal with questions.


The British Broadcasting Corporation is only responsible for distribution inside the UK.
Outside of the UK, Disney would be the distributor.
The BBC still owns Doctor Who.
They get paid money for it from outside the UK, allowing them to continue producing content.
Disney does not own Doctor Who.

Do you find it disturbing that HBO offers Doctor Who on its streaming service?
 
EdgeRunner [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-30 6:47:42 PM  

Herr Flick's Revenge: Do you find it disturbing that HBO offers Doctor Who on its streaming service?


Yes. Where's the nudity, dammit?
 
Truthman
2023-01-30 9:26:05 PM  
Overanalyze all you want, but I thought the Tennant years were the most fun, followed by the Smith years.
 
calufrax
2023-01-30 9:57:59 PM  

EdgeRunner: Herr Flick's Revenge: Do you find it disturbing that HBO offers Doctor Who on its streaming service?

Yes. Where's the nudity, dammit?


Abducted By The Daleks
 
EdgeRunner [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-31 12:36:34 AM  

calufrax: EdgeRunner: Herr Flick's Revenge: Do you find it disturbing that HBO offers Doctor Who on its streaming service?

Yes. Where's the nudity, dammit?

Abducted By The Daleks


That sounds more PornHub than HBO. I was thinking along the lines of Alex Kingston's other screen appearances. Good production values, sharp writing, and a great deal more of her appearing on screen.
 
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