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(Deadline)   Steven Spielberg ended Schindler's List with the cemetery scene as he knew Holocaust deniers were always going to be an issue   (deadline.com) divider line
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kdawg7736 [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-29 11:38:22 AM  
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2023-01-29 11:57:31 AM  
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/oblig
 
koder [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-29 1:09:45 PM  
Incidentally he might need to spool up some new reels and get cracking at some storylines for the impending wave of slavery deniers.
 
AirForceVet [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-29 1:25:11 PM  

koder: Incidentally he might need to spool up some new reels and get cracking at some storylines for the impending wave of slavery deniers.


According to Governor DeathSentence, slavery, segregation and lynchings never happened.

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optikeye [TotalFark]
2023-01-29 1:30:15 PM  
Crisis Actors. They probably got paid scale for that scene.

/scarc
/tho that will be narrative
 
SirDigbyChickenCaesar
2023-01-29 4:04:18 PM  
"Holocaust denial was on the rise again - that was the entire reason I made the movie in 1993,"

Huh?  You made a high budget movie to prove a couple thousand people wrong?  That would be like Ron Howard saying he made Apollo 13 because of flat earthers.
 
majestic
2023-01-29 4:11:24 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: "Holocaust denial was on the rise again - that was the entire reason I made the movie in 1993,"

Huh?  You made a high budget movie to prove a couple thousand people wrong?  That would be like Ron Howard saying he made Apollo 13 because of flat earthers.


You might be surprised how many people actually deny that the holocaust happened.
 
buravirgil
2023-01-29 4:17:44 PM  
I recall controversy over the stolen chicken scene (It was him!) and minority students laughing when the tension was deliberately comic, but reportedly there was laughing beginning with the civil engineer/foundation scene and further summary execution scenes.

Schindlers List - Stolen Chicken Scene (1993) HD
Youtube fXkO3JkM8bk


After Jaws, Spielberg quoted Hitchcock's response to being told someone died of a heart attack watching his movie: It works.
 
Mole Man
2023-01-29 4:20:57 PM  

majestic: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: "Holocaust denial was on the rise again - that was the entire reason I made the movie in 1993,"

Huh?  You made a high budget movie to prove a couple thousand people wrong?  That would be like Ron Howard saying he made Apollo 13 because of flat earthers.

You might be surprised how many people actually deny that the holocaust happened.


I remember this ahole from the 80's

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Zündel

In 1994, Zündel campaigned in Canada to ban the movie Schindler's List as "hate speech" and celebrated the movie being banned in Malaysia and effectively banned in Lebanon and Jordan.
 
Bslim
2023-01-29 4:23:34 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: "Holocaust denial was on the rise again - that was the entire reason I made the movie in 1993,"

Huh?  You made a high budget movie to prove a couple thousand people wrong?  That would be like Ron Howard saying he made Apollo 13 because of flat earthers.


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krispos42 [BareFark]
2023-01-29 4:24:09 PM  
It's very disturbing that the Holocaust is being denied, because not only did it happen in recent history, it happened in LIVING history. There are still camp survivors and liberators and guards alive, first hand witnesses!
 
Gooch [BareFark]
2023-01-29 4:27:37 PM  
I still say he missed an opportunity not filming Auschlassic Park; it's where they use cloning to resurrect death camp inmates and guards but the Nazis get loose.

You'd also see Anne Frank pull a Lt. Ripley (from Aliens) and mow down a bunch of Nazis with a flamethrower.
 
runwiz [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-29 4:57:46 PM  
As if that final scene would change the mind of Holocaust deniers.  They will just insist that the entire movie, including the final scene, is fiction.
 
runwiz [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-29 4:58:34 PM  
krispos42
It's very disturbing that the Holocaust is being denied, because not only did it happen in recent history, it happened in LIVING history. There are still camp survivors and liberators and guards alive, first hand witnesses!

But not for much longer.  They just paly the long game.
 
CocoNutz
2023-01-29 4:59:21 PM  

krispos42: It's very disturbing that the Holocaust is being denied, because not only did it happen in recent history, it happened in LIVING history. There are still camp survivors and liberators and guards alive, first hand witnesses!


I personally know people who think:
1. The lunar landing was fake
2.  Dinosaur bones were planted by atheist evolutionists
3.  Trump should've been president

I mean, idiots abound.
 
CocoNutz
2023-01-29 5:00:06 PM  

CocoNutz: krispos42: It's very disturbing that the Holocaust is being denied, because not only did it happen in recent history, it happened in LIVING history. There are still camp survivors and liberators and guards alive, first hand witnesses!

I personally know people who think:
1. The lunar landing was fake
2.  Dinosaur bones were planted by atheist evolutionists
3.  Trump should've been president

I mean, idiots abound.


By #3 I mean they were happy he was
 
Bslim
2023-01-29 5:01:22 PM  

CocoNutz: krispos42: It's very disturbing that the Holocaust is being denied, because not only did it happen in recent history, it happened in LIVING history. There are still camp survivors and liberators and guards alive, first hand witnesses!

I personally know people who think:
1. The lunar landing was fake
2.  Dinosaur bones were planted by atheist evolutionists
3.  Trump should've been president

I mean, idiots abound.


All distractions from the truth that Courtney Love murdered Cobain and nothing gets done to bring her to justice. That's the underlying conspiracy.
 
Biledriver
2023-01-29 5:01:50 PM  

krispos42: It's very disturbing that the Holocaust is being denied, because not only did it happen in recent history, it happened in LIVING history. There are still camp survivors and liberators and guards alive, first hand witnesses!


Not only that, the Nazi's filmed damn near EVERYTHING they did during the war and there are plenty of visuals to go by.
 
fiddlehead
2023-01-29 5:10:26 PM  

CocoNutz: krispos42: It's very disturbing that the Holocaust is being denied, because not only did it happen in recent history, it happened in LIVING history. There are still camp survivors and liberators and guards alive, first hand witnesses!

I personally know people who think:
1. The lunar landing was fake
2.  Dinosaur bones were planted by atheist evolutionists
3.  Trump should've been president

I mean, idiots abound.


I knew someone who was smart as a whip, PhD and everything, who swore up and down that aliens helped build the pyramids and ancient Egyptians had airplanes.
 
paulleah
2023-01-29 5:17:40 PM  

majestic: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: "Holocaust denial was on the rise again - that was the entire reason I made the movie in 1993,"

Huh?  You made a high budget movie to prove a couple thousand people wrong?  That would be like Ron Howard saying he made Apollo 13 because of flat earthers.

You might be surprised how many people actually deny that the holocaust happened.


Couple thousand? Donald Trump got 72,000,000 votes. 30% of his supporters are holocaust skeptics and roughly 30% of those are outfight deniers.

So 6 million in the US is a rough estimate.
 
iron de havilland [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-29 5:18:33 PM  

fiddlehead: CocoNutz: krispos42: It's very disturbing that the Holocaust is being denied, because not only did it happen in recent history, it happened in LIVING history. There are still camp survivors and liberators and guards alive, first hand witnesses!

I personally know people who think:
1. The lunar landing was fake
2.  Dinosaur bones were planted by atheist evolutionists
3.  Trump should've been president

I mean, idiots abound.

I knew someone who was smart as a whip, PhD and everything, who swore up and down that aliens helped build the pyramids and ancient Egyptians had airplanes.


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dsmith42 [TotalFark]
2023-01-29 5:23:37 PM  
IRRC, Eisenhower knew denialism was going to be a problem and so ordered copious documentation as the camps were liberated. And that the records that the Nazis left be preserved. It may not have been Eisenhower, but it was definitely a US general in the European theater.
 
iheartscotch
2023-01-29 5:26:30 PM  
F Spielberg. The scores by John Williams made his movies....special.

The crazy part is that John Williams only has 5 Oscars. He's been nominated 53 times.
 
Johnson [BareFark]
2023-01-29 5:27:01 PM  

runwiz: As if that final scene would change the mind of Holocaust deniers.  They will just insist that the entire movie, including the final scene, is fiction.


But it IS!  Everyone is literally an ACTOR!   None of them actually DIED!

/ducks
 
iheartscotch
2023-01-29 5:36:56 PM  

dsmith42: IRRC, Eisenhower knew denialism was going to be a problem and so ordered copious documentation as the camps were liberated. And that the records that the Nazis left be preserved. It may not have been Eisenhower, but it was definitely a US general in the European theater.


It would have been Ike. I need to read his book.

Bradley probably would have documented it, but probably not as well.

Patton was a maniac so who knows what he would have done.
 
RyansPrivates
2023-01-29 5:46:01 PM  
As touching as the movie was, I would have really liked to have seen the space laser factory.
 
Practical_Draconian
2023-01-29 5:46:12 PM  

iheartscotch: dsmith42: IRRC, Eisenhower knew denialism was going to be a problem and so ordered copious documentation as the camps were liberated. And that the records that the Nazis left be preserved. It may not have been Eisenhower, but it was definitely a US general in the European theater.

It would have been Ike. I need to read his book.

Bradley probably would have documented it, but probably not as well.

Patton was a maniac so who knows what he would have done.


I recall a story of a Eastern European spy -- a Czechoslovakian who may have been one of the inspirations for James Bond -- who went to D.C. to relay information midway through the war.

FDR didn't want to hear about the holocaust camps; he kept switching the subject to horses and German logistics, annoying the spy.

/same spy I believe became persona non grata for calling out J. Edgar Hoover's sexual preferences when the latter was talking shiat to him
 
Get Rich or Try Dyin'
2023-01-29 5:55:21 PM  
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paulleah
2023-01-29 5:55:44 PM  

iheartscotch: dsmith42: IRRC, Eisenhower knew denialism was going to be a problem and so ordered copious documentation as the camps were liberated. And that the records that the Nazis left be preserved. It may not have been Eisenhower, but it was definitely a US general in the European theater.

It would have been Ike. I need to read his book.

Bradley probably would have documented it, but probably not as well.

Patton was a maniac so who knows what he would have done.


Patton wasn't a maniac. You've watched too many movies. Or one movie too many times.
 
Darth_Lukecash
2023-01-29 5:55:49 PM  

dsmith42: IRRC, Eisenhower knew denialism was going to be a problem and so ordered copious documentation as the camps were liberated. And that the records that the Nazis left be preserved. It may not have been Eisenhower, but it was definitely a US general in the European theater.


It was Eisenhower, McArthur gleefully hid his enemies war crimes for the sake of diplomacy.
 
buravirgil
2023-01-29 5:59:23 PM  

Practical_Draconian: a Czechoslovakian who may have been one of the inspirations for James Bond


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inspirations_for_James_Bond

But William Somerset Maughm's short stories predate Ian Fleming.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashenden:_Or_the_British_Agent
 
ClavellBCMI [OhFark]
2023-01-29 5:59:57 PM  

paulleah: iheartscotch: dsmith42: IRRC, Eisenhower knew denialism was going to be a problem and so ordered copious documentation as the camps were liberated. And that the records that the Nazis left be preserved. It may not have been Eisenhower, but it was definitely a US general in the European theater.

It would have been Ike. I need to read his book.

Bradley probably would have documented it, but probably not as well.

Patton was a maniac so who knows what he would have done.

Patton wasn't a maniac. You've watched too many movies. Or one movie too many times.


Patton would have been throwing the SS guards into the ovens to be roasted... alive.
 
OgreMagi
2023-01-29 6:09:59 PM  

iheartscotch: Patton was a maniac so who knows what he would have done.


Patton was an asshole, not a maniac.  He didn't think shell-shock (now called PTSD) was a thing.
 
catmandu
2023-01-29 6:14:39 PM  
That final scene never fails to make me cry. It made a horribly depressing movie something very positive and life affirming. So many alive today because of what one flawed but essentially humane person did. Reinforces the idea that heroes do not have to be perfect, they just have to be normal human beings who step up when necessary.
 
runwiz [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-29 6:20:38 PM  
You can't argue with Holocaust deniers.  They will just insist that every proof you submit is fake, every survivor is a crisis actor. These are the same people who believe the moon landing was faked and believe every word that comes out of the mouth of Alex Jones. The problem is that while in the past they may have been isolated nutjobs now with the internet and social media they can unite into a worldwide community of nutjobs.
 
Skarekrough
2023-01-29 6:21:17 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Huh?  You made a high budget movie to prove a couple thousand people wrong?  That would be like Ron Howard saying he made Apollo 13 because of flat earthers.


I had a teacher in high school in the 80's who pulled the whole "there's no way they could have killed that many in that span of time" bit during class.

I think the big difference between now and then is that we have the internet which people think they're anonymous on but really aren't and have no issues with just spouting off whatever comes into their minds.
 
UNC_Samurai
2023-01-29 6:23:05 PM  

krispos42: It's very disturbing that the Holocaust is being denied, because not only did it happen in recent history, it happened in LIVING history. There are still camp survivors and liberators and guards alive, first hand witnesses!


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Billy Liar
2023-01-29 7:03:01 PM  

dsmith42: IRRC, Eisenhower knew denialism was going to be a problem and so ordered copious documentation as the camps were liberated. And that the records that the Nazis left be preserved. It may not have been Eisenhower, but it was definitely a US general in the European theater.


He had the liberating troops escort the locals through the camps like right afterwards, too, so they'd know it was real.
 
TheMysteriousStranger
2023-01-29 7:03:37 PM  
If someone was idiotic enough to be a Holocaust denier, that scene is extraordinarily unlikely to change that.  Calling a few dozen more people liars is nothing compared to the countless witnesses they are already calling liars. Likewise, the release of Obama's "long form" birth certificate very predictably convinced no birthers. India last year released great photos of Apollo 11 and 12 taken by its lunar orbiter and to my knowledge no  Apollo denier has changed their tune. Nor will the umpteenth transitional fossil suddenly eliminate creationism.
 
majestic
2023-01-29 7:05:30 PM  

CocoNutz: krispos42: It's very disturbing that the Holocaust is being denied, because not only did it happen in recent history, it happened in LIVING history. There are still camp survivors and liberators and guards alive, first hand witnesses!

I personally know people who think:
1. The lunar landing was fake
2.  Dinosaur bones were planted by atheist evolutionists
3.  Trump should've been president

I mean, idiots abound.


Hell, I know ONE guy who agrees with 1 and 3, is a holocaust denier, AND believes in bigfoot. I'll have to ask him about #2.
 
Billy Liar
2023-01-29 7:13:40 PM  
Everyone has the right to be stupid on occasion, but Comrade Macdonald abuses the privilege.

- Leon Trotsky
 
OgreMagi
2023-01-29 7:14:46 PM  
Years ago it turned out one of the people I had to work with was a holocaust denier.  He claimed all the evidence was manufactured by the Jewish controlled media.

Fortunately, the company found an excuse to fire him so he was only around for a couple of months.  I'm sure he blamed the Jews for getting fired.
 
Anderson's Pooper
2023-01-29 7:20:27 PM  

paulleah: majestic: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: "Holocaust denial was on the rise again - that was the entire reason I made the movie in 1993,"

Huh?  You made a high budget movie to prove a couple thousand people wrong?  That would be like Ron Howard saying he made Apollo 13 because of flat earthers.

You might be surprised how many people actually deny that the holocaust happened.

Couple thousand? Donald Trump got 72,000,000 votes. 30% of his supporters are holocaust skeptics and roughly 30% of those are outfight deniers.

So 6 million in the US is a rough estimate.


6 million you say?  Now where have we heard that number before....

/ sarcasm
 
fatalvenom
2023-01-29 7:33:24 PM  
Make me a hinge...
 
krispos42 [BareFark]
2023-01-29 8:08:52 PM  

CocoNutz: krispos42: It's very disturbing that the Holocaust is being denied, because not only did it happen in recent history, it happened in LIVING history. There are still camp survivors and liberators and guards alive, first hand witnesses!

I personally know people who think:
1. The lunar landing was fake
2.  Dinosaur bones were planted by atheist evolutionists
3.  Trump should've been president

I mean, idiots abound.


Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers
 
krispos42 [BareFark]
2023-01-29 8:11:35 PM  

Biledriver: krispos42: It's very disturbing that the Holocaust is being denied, because not only did it happen in recent history, it happened in LIVING history. There are still camp survivors and liberators and guards alive, first hand witnesses!

Not only that, the Nazi's filmed damn near EVERYTHING they did during the war and there are plenty of visuals to go by.


And the Allies documented the hell out of the camps that we liberated. I have no doubt that many a US soldier saw things in those camps that haunted them until they died.
 
krispos42 [BareFark]
2023-01-29 8:14:20 PM  

fiddlehead: CocoNutz: krispos42: It's very disturbing that the Holocaust is being denied, because not only did it happen in recent history, it happened in LIVING history. There are still camp survivors and liberators and guards alive, first hand witnesses!

I personally know people who think:
1. The lunar landing was fake
2.  Dinosaur bones were planted by atheist evolutionists
3.  Trump should've been president

I mean, idiots abound.

I knew someone who was smart as a whip, PhD and everything, who swore up and down that aliens helped build the pyramids and ancient Egyptians had airplanes.


There's a particular streak of white Christian bigotry that assumes that mega-projects done by non-white non-Christians could only have been done with extra-terrestrial or supernatural help.
 
krispos42 [BareFark]
2023-01-29 8:19:48 PM  

majestic: CocoNutz: krispos42: It's very disturbing that the Holocaust is being denied, because not only did it happen in recent history, it happened in LIVING history. There are still camp survivors and liberators and guards alive, first hand witnesses!

I personally know people who think:
1. The lunar landing was fake
2.  Dinosaur bones were planted by atheist evolutionists
3.  Trump should've been president

I mean, idiots abound.

Hell, I know ONE guy who agrees with 1 and 3, is a holocaust denier, AND believes in bigfoot. I'll have to ask him about #2.


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Not_Todd
2023-01-29 10:37:49 PM  
I know people who think Donald Trump conspired with Russia to throw the 2016 election. I know people who think Ron DeSantis doesn't want Florida students to learn about slavery. I know people who think the extra warranty they offer you for buying a ten dollar toaster at Best Buy is a good deal.

It's all the same.
 
paulleah
2023-01-29 10:49:07 PM  

ClavellBCMI: paulleah: iheartscotch: dsmith42: IRRC, Eisenhower knew denialism was going to be a problem and so ordered copious documentation as the camps were liberated. And that the records that the Nazis left be preserved. It may not have been Eisenhower, but it was definitely a US general in the European theater.

It would have been Ike. I need to read his book.

Bradley probably would have documented it, but probably not as well.

Patton was a maniac so who knows what he would have done.

Patton wasn't a maniac. You've watched too many movies. Or one movie too many times.

Patton would have been throwing the SS guards into the ovens to be roasted... alive.


I'm Ok with that.
 
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