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oldernell [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-29 9:31:04 AM  
Fair tax is just a poor disguise for a tax break for the rich, placing the burden on the poor and middle class who can least afford it.
 
RaceDTruck [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-29 9:40:16 AM  
Or, you could, gut the tax code and start fresh.
 
hubiestubert [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-29 9:48:38 AM  

RaceDTruck: Or, you could, gut the tax code and start fresh.


I can only imagine the shock of reinstating the original tax codes for this country. The top rates were taxed heavily, and the inheritance tax was designed to curb dynasties. It took needing the railroads to set the stage for our current tax woes.

Another alternative is just to give the IRS some teeth, and actually fully staff the department for a change.
 
no1curr [TotalFark]
2023-01-29 10:00:42 AM  
Fair Tax was conceived by the rich to get richer, and promoted by morons who don't understand how anything works.
 
aaronx [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-29 10:24:42 AM  

no1curr: Fair Tax was conceived by the rich to get richer, and promoted by morons who don't understand how anything works.


I am certain at least some of them know exactly what it would do (and welcome it).

One side claims that the government just takes your money and wastes it on "those people", the other side points out that the government takes your money and uses it for the common good. You know, "what have the Roman's ever done for us?!?!":

What Have The Romans... - Monty Python's Life of Brian
Youtube Qc7HmhrgTuQ


Surprise! (not surprised), both sides of that argument get treated by many as respectable political leaders, when one of them really isn't. Lying about the realities of government spending in order to gin up support from xenophobic assholes to tear down all the scaffolding of modern society does nothing to make the country stronger (and much to make it weaker, to the obvious pleasure of oligarchs all over the world).

Some of the dumber Republicans really do just love trolling the libs (and the cheers they get for doing so), but there are Republicans who really do think that the government should never be allowed to use its own power to do anything except give money to businessmen to run things themselves. There are plenty of them who have said so on the record.

They are recognizably bad people, and that needs to be pointed out more often.
 
olorin604
2023-01-29 10:39:58 AM  
It's called "fair" so I don't see how anyone can oppose something called "fair"
 
estrange666
2023-01-29 10:46:37 AM  
"McCarthy must walk a tightrope between appeasing the renegade factions of his caucus ... "

Screw you, Politico.  I'm not buying your bullcrap.
 
austerity101
2023-01-29 10:49:44 AM  
"Fair" taxes from the people who told us gay marriage was a "special" right.
 
Turbo Cojones
2023-01-29 10:51:07 AM  
All they need now is some dumb Mother farker running around and saying "9, 9, 9 will fix everything!", refusing a vaccine then dying.

Put some toilet water on it.  Anyone who takes them seriously is farked.
 
madgonad [OhFark]
2023-01-29 10:51:27 AM  
The 48% that don't make enough to pay Federal Income taxes piss them off. This is designed to make half the country pay about 15% of their income in taxes.
The big winners will be Canada and Europe. That is where the wealthy will go to buy their expensive things.
 
farkitallletitend
2023-01-29 10:54:27 AM  
We need more cow bell!
 
Hyjamon
2023-01-29 10:55:18 AM  

aaronx: I am certain at least some of them know exactly what it would do (and welcome it).

One side claims that the government just takes your money and wastes it on "those people", the other side points out that the government takes your money and uses it for the common good. You know, "what have the Roman's ever done for us?!?!":


it will be fun to test out that theorem.

Just did my taxes this weekend. $71k taxable household income for married filing jointly with 2 kids. Took the standard deduction.

My effective federal tax rate: less than 3%.  This "fair" tax will raise my federal taxes by about tenfold.

IIRC my tax situation is close to the median for the US. Have fun GOP spinning this one.
 
cryptozoophiliac
2023-01-29 10:57:13 AM  
The GOP is all about TAXES. TAX, TAX, TAX.

Haven't we had enough?
 
Jeebus Saves
2023-01-29 10:57:48 AM  
oldernell: Fair tax is just a poor disguise for a tax break for the rich, placing the burden on the poor and middle class who can least afford it.

Yes it is.  Illinois smartly voted that down a couple of years ago.
 
gilgigamesh
2023-01-29 10:58:55 AM  
I love this idea, and the fact that they're dumb enough to keep it on life support so that Democrats can keep beating them over the head with it.

Dumbasses on Twitter were enthusiastically singing the praises of a national sales tax. "Between income tax, social security, property tax, and state income tax, I'm paying 42% of my income in taxes! 30% sounds great to me!"

Apparently these dipthongs don't realize the federal government is not the same entity as their state or county.
 
RasIanI
2023-01-29 10:59:26 AM  
This is by far the most regressive tax proposal of which I've ever heard: 50% of the population that currently pays no income tax because of poverty, will now pay 30% income tax. And the top 10% income earners that currently pay most of the remitted income tax will now pay nothing except the consumer tax. Not "nothing completely", but less than before.
 
buravirgil
2023-01-29 10:59:30 AM  

no1curr: Fair Tax was conceived by the rich to get richer, and promoted by morons who don't understand how anything works.


But the rich have gotten richer anyway, despite the geniuses who understand how everything works.
 
I Like Bread
2023-01-29 11:00:12 AM  
When this country officially transitions to a dictatorship, it'll be signed under the Freedom Freedom Liberty Freedom Freedom Liberty Liberty Liberty Bill.
 
Communist Middleschool Student
2023-01-29 11:00:27 AM  

madgonad: The 48% that don't make enough to pay Federal Income taxes piss them off. This is designed to make half the country pay about 15% of their income in taxes.
The big winners will be Canada and Europe. That is where the wealthy will go to buy their expensive things.


So... they'll go pay Europes 30% tax instead of ours?
 
SN1987a goes boom
2023-01-29 11:03:08 AM  
Good thing it has no chance in the Senate.
 
TofuTheAlmighty [BareFark]
2023-01-29 11:05:23 AM  
Republicans want you to pay rich people's taxes. Same as it ever was.
 
Fart_Machine
2023-01-29 11:06:43 AM  
It was a goofy idea back when Boortz was peddling it; they claimed it was "revenue neutral" while claiming everyone would get a raise because employers would pass their tax savings on to the employees, fraud would go down, and we wouldn't need an IRS because states would take up the slack.  Never mind that their math was wrong, such a massive sales tax would encourage a black market economy, and that the "prebate" would be a nightmare to implement by the IRS whom they proposed to remove entirely.  It's economic Scientology.
 
todangst
2023-01-29 11:07:45 AM  

cryptozoophiliac: The GOP is all about TAXES. TAX, TAX, TAX.

Haven't we had enough?


Our new liberal motto; Taxes? Enough Already!
 
Patmaniac
2023-01-29 11:07:46 AM  
Is this the point where they claim their massively unpopular tax plan is actually the Democrats plan?  Just like when they publically state they want to cut Social Security, Medicare and medicade and then pretend they never said it.
Their ill informed rube base believes them everytime.
 
BMFPitt
2023-01-29 11:08:17 AM  

RaceDTruck: Or, you could, gut the tax code and start fresh.


Well that's what it would be, but instead of a fresh, clean, efficient income tax, it's a fresh dumpster fire.
 
buravirgil
2023-01-29 11:08:43 AM  

Communist Middleschool Student: madgonad: The 48% that don't make enough to pay Federal Income taxes piss them off. This is designed to make half the country pay about 15% of their income in taxes.
The big winners will be Canada and Europe. That is where the wealthy will go to buy their expensive things.

So... they'll go pay Europes 30% tax instead of ours?



_Taxes_
US: Point of Sale
Everywhere Else: Value Added
 
WithinReason
2023-01-29 11:12:20 AM  
Elections have consequences.
 
Fart One of a Three Fart Series
2023-01-29 11:12:48 AM  
The sad thing is that if something like this ever did pass, the poor, rural Republicans that it hurt would probably never actually do the math.  They'd see their paychecks go way up because the withholding would disappear and they would be elated about the larger paychecks.  Sure they'd notice paying more for stuff, but through the power of genuine/willful ignorance, they'd always think they were coming out ahead.  I can just hear them telling their future children stories about the dark days when the government took half your paycheck before you even got it.
 
The Lone Gunman
2023-01-29 11:13:08 AM  
How about this: A rich person gets to punch a poor person with no consequence, but only if they give $100 to a different rich person. The economy moves by circulating money and the rich people ultimately get to keep their money because they're job creators.

You're welcome.
 
thealgorerhythm
2023-01-29 11:13:19 AM  
If they instituted a national sales tax to the exclusion of all other taxes, I'd just start a communal network with my friends and neighbors. No reason to buy anything except ingredients, raw materials, and utilities (would hope utilities might be exempt but who knows with Republicans).

I'm sure I wouldn't be the only one. The informal economy still amounts to about half of national productive value and we'd see it jump to 80%.

Retail and manufacturing would crater.
 
rzrwiresunrise
2023-01-29 11:15:58 AM  
If it makes it to the floor I hope someone moves for a roll call vote.
 
thealgorerhythm
2023-01-29 11:16:00 AM  

The Lone Gunman: How about this: A rich person gets to punch a poor person with no consequence, but only if they give $100 to a different rich person. The economy moves by circulating money and the rich people ultimately get to keep their money because they're job creators.

You're welcome.


They have to give the $100 to a RICHER person. Ultimately the richest person has to spend 5% of their annual income to purchase the rental homes of the lowest tier people and bulldoze those properties, to ensure more miserable people are available to punch.
 
Paddy [OhFark]
2023-01-29 11:16:31 AM  

no1curr: Fair Tax was conceived by the rich to get richer, and promoted by morons who don't understand how anything works.


Or who are led to believe that they'll be part of that in-group soon enough so voting for that crap now will 100% sure thing benefit them "later".
 
thealgorerhythm
2023-01-29 11:17:13 AM  

Paddy: no1curr: Fair Tax was conceived by the rich to get richer, and promoted by morons who don't understand how anything works.

Or who are led to believe that they'll be part of that in-group soon enough so voting for that crap now will 100% sure thing benefit them "later".


They're the same people.
 
Hinged
2023-01-29 11:18:00 AM  
The idea of the Fair Tax has been around for decades.

Most Americans aren't aware of the overall concept (though they pay sales taxes every day).  Politicians don't want it because they might lose power.


Why not air it out and let the people decide?  What's to fear?
 
HighOnCraic
2023-01-29 11:20:24 AM  

aaronx: no1curr: Fair Tax was conceived by the rich to get richer, and promoted by morons who don't understand how anything works.

I am certain at least some of them know exactly what it would do (and welcome it).

One side claims that the government just takes your money and wastes it on "those people", the other side points out that the government takes your money and uses it for the common good. You know, "what have the Roman's ever done for us?!?!":

[YouTube video: What Have The Romans... - Monty Python's Life of Brian]

Surprise! (not surprised), both sides of that argument get treated by many as respectable political leaders, when one of them really isn't. Lying about the realities of government spending in order to gin up support from xenophobic assholes to tear down all the scaffolding of modern society does nothing to make the country stronger (and much to make it weaker, to the obvious pleasure of oligarchs all over the world).

Some of the dumber Republicans really do just love trolling the libs (and the cheers they get for doing so), but there are Republicans who really do think that the government should never be allowed to use its own power to do anything except give money to businessmen to run things themselves. There are plenty of them who have said so on the record.

They are recognizably bad people, and that needs to be pointed out more often.


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madgonad [OhFark]
2023-01-29 11:20:37 AM  

Communist Middleschool Student: madgonad: The 48% that don't make enough to pay Federal Income taxes piss them off. This is designed to make half the country pay about 15% of their income in taxes.
The big winners will be Canada and Europe. That is where the wealthy will go to buy their expensive things.

So... they'll go pay Europes 30% tax instead of ours?


I was actually thinking more Canada. VATs vary in Europe. Vancouver and Toronto would win huge with this. It would certainly end the shopping trips that Europeans take to NY and LA. So I guess screwing the blue states really has the the GOP excited.
 
AAAAGGGGHHHH
2023-01-29 11:21:42 AM  

oldernell: Fair tax is just a poor disguise for a tax break for the rich, placing the burden on the poor and middle class who can least afford it.


It's also a not-hidden-at-all Social Security killer. No payroll tax = No Social Security.

Donald "Hands of Social Security*" Trump tried to pull that sh*t in the last 6 months of his unholy reign.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/terminating-payroll-tax-could-end-social-security-benefits-2023-chief-n1238021
 
Periscopes Down
2023-01-29 11:21:46 AM  
It's interesting that Europe has nearly 20% VAT taxes and nobody complains about it being unfair?

Functionally, it's pretty much the same. Every business gets a credit along the way for the VAT taxes already paid with the consumer picking up the final tab.
 
make me some tea [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-29 11:24:16 AM  
Keep shooting blanks, MAGA.
 
AAAAGGGGHHHH
2023-01-29 11:24:27 AM  

RasIanI: This is by far the most regressive tax proposal of which I've ever heard: 50% of the population that currently pays no income tax because of poverty, will now pay 30% income tax. And the top 10% income earners that currently pay most of the remitted income tax will now pay nothing except the consumer tax. Not "nothing completely", but less than before.


The rich would just buy & ship over everything they want from overseas. They wouldn't be paying a single US penny in taxes.
 
AAAAGGGGHHHH
2023-01-29 11:25:06 AM  

farkitallletitend: We need more cow bell! guillotines.


FTFY
 
Armchair_Invective
2023-01-29 11:25:11 AM  
The G0P is lining up to be top candidate for the Darwin Awards this year.
 
thealgorerhythm
2023-01-29 11:25:27 AM  

Hinged: The idea of the Fair Tax has been around for decades.

Most Americans aren't aware of the overall concept (though they pay sales taxes every day).  Politicians don't want it because they might lose power.


Why not air it out and let the people decide?  What's to fear?


The idea of the flat Earth has been around for decades as well.
 
Armchair_Invective
2023-01-29 11:28:10 AM  

HighOnCraic: aaronx: no1curr: Fair Tax was conceived by the rich to get richer, and promoted by morons who don't understand how anything works.

I am certain at least some of them know exactly what it would do (and welcome it).

One side claims that the government just takes your money and wastes it on "those people", the other side points out that the government takes your money and uses it for the common good. You know, "what have the Roman's ever done for us?!?!":

[YouTube video: What Have The Romans... - Monty Python's Life of Brian]

Surprise! (not surprised), both sides of that argument get treated by many as respectable political leaders, when one of them really isn't. Lying about the realities of government spending in order to gin up support from xenophobic assholes to tear down all the scaffolding of modern society does nothing to make the country stronger (and much to make it weaker, to the obvious pleasure of oligarchs all over the world).

Some of the dumber Republicans really do just love trolling the libs (and the cheers they get for doing so), but there are Republicans who really do think that the government should never be allowed to use its own power to do anything except give money to businessmen to run things themselves. There are plenty of them who have said so on the record.

They are recognizably bad people, and that needs to be pointed out more often.

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A complete collapse of the US economy, democracy, and infrastructure and the bolstering of a new corrupt peerage?  But hey, that could work, right? Just call it "Libertarianism" and no one can argue with you.
 
bizzwire
2023-01-29 11:29:12 AM  
hubiestubert:
It took needing the railroads to set the stage for our current tax woes.


Pleaseexpound.  No snark;  I sincerely don't understand.
 
AAAAGGGGHHHH
2023-01-29 11:30:02 AM  

SN1987a goes boom: Good thing it has no chance in the Senate.


People named "Buddy" should NEVER be allowed to hold political office.
 
rga184
2023-01-29 11:30:10 AM  

madgonad: The 48% that don't make enough to pay Federal Income taxes piss them off. This is designed to make half the country pay about 15% of their income in taxes.
The big winners will be Canada and Europe. That is where the wealthy will go to buy their expensive things.


What do you mean go there to buy things?  Of course I'll buy things there because that's where I'll be living.

I am not opposed to paying taxes, but I would like to know that my tax money is being used for the benefit of society, not to blow up brown people somewhere and make defense contractors richer in the process.

The the excess amount we spend on defense compared to the next three countries combined could go a long way to creating affordable college education, and something closer to universal health care.

I'm already wanting to go, but I have some things keeping me here.  If he GOP takes enough power to enact idiocy like this, I'm so out of here.
 
rga184
2023-01-29 11:31:29 AM  

Hyjamon: aaronx: I am certain at least some of them know exactly what it would do (and welcome it).

One side claims that the government just takes your money and wastes it on "those people", the other side points out that the government takes your money and uses it for the common good. You know, "what have the Roman's ever done for us?!?!":

it will be fun to test out that theorem.

Just did my taxes this weekend. $71k taxable household income for married filing jointly with 2 kids. Took the standard deduction.

My effective federal tax rate: less than 3%.  This "fair" tax will raise my federal taxes by about tenfold.

IIRC my tax situation is close to the median for the US. Have fun GOP spinning this one.


Easy.  "Blacks and Mexicans will be hurt a lot"

There, I just got you Ohio and Florida.
 
bizzwire
2023-01-29 11:32:38 AM  
hubiestubert: It took needing the railroads to set the stage for our current tax woes.

Please expound.  No snark;  I'm not seeing the connection, and suspect there's some interesting history I'm unaware of.
 
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