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(The Daily Beast)   The extraordinary story of how a junked VW Jetta on Long Island helped a family to escape the horrors of war in Ukraine   (thedailybeast.com) divider line
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2949 clicks; posted to Main » on 29 Jan 2023 at 8:30 AM (8 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2023-01-29 8:40:55 AM  
was it modified with a 105mm cannon?
 
2023-01-29 8:46:09 AM  
You have to be pretty desperate to see that amount of mold in it, and think "I'm going to put my young children in there"
 
2023-01-29 9:50:35 AM  
That is crazy, you wouldn't think there would be any profit in shipping a car that's already been totaled all the way to Ukraine.
 
2023-01-29 10:03:57 AM  

electricjebus: That is crazy, you wouldn't think there would be any profit in shipping a car that's already been totaled all the way to Ukraine.


Planet Money had a podcast on the economics of this.  It's about labor costs mostly.  There is also an acceptability of flood damaged cars that doesn't exist among US insurers.

A car is also easier to clean than you might think.  This car was moldy, but if you watch detailing videos (which are strangely cathartic) you see with the right tools you can get anything out.  This guy probably removed the seats and scrubbed them with bleach.  That will work.
 
2023-01-29 10:12:21 AM  
Tenuous heroism story is tenuous.
 
2023-01-29 10:20:45 AM  
We had one of those, great car, good for hauling things to and fro. Went up at the beginning of the pandemic - there was a busted seal around the sunroof (we think), and had some torrential rains. Since we weren't going anywhere, it just sat there and soaked. Wound up frying the electrical system, plus whatever nasties got growing in there.

/They don't make station wagons anymore
//Kid's older now, so there's less stuff to drag around
 
2023-01-29 10:21:29 AM  

Oneiros: You have to be pretty desperate to see that amount of mold in it, and think "I'm going to put my young children in there"


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2023-01-29 10:22:49 AM  
Kyiv to Prague in one tank?
 
2023-01-29 10:52:48 AM  
Am shopping for a used Jetta/Golf Variant/Alltrack station wagon right now, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies.
 
2023-01-29 10:55:02 AM  

robertus: Went up at the beginning of the pandemic - there was a busted seal around the sunroof (we think), and had some torrential rains.


Undoubtedly a plugged sunroof drain.  VWs are notorious for this.  The drains accumulate pine needles and leaves and other crap and when they do, they get plugged, and water that leaks in around the sunroof can't drain and the interior gets soaked.
 
2023-01-29 11:45:52 AM  

geekbikerskum: robertus: Went up at the beginning of the pandemic - there was a busted seal around the sunroof (we think), and had some torrential rains.

Undoubtedly a plugged sunroof drain.  VWs are notorious for this.  The drains accumulate pine needles and leaves and other crap and when they do, they get plugged, and water that leaks in around the sunroof can't drain and the interior gets soaked.


Yeah. Real issue was that it sat like that for a couple months, being that the pandemic was more or less just getting started and we weren't really leaving the house for much. I did most of the driving, so my wife's car just festered out there.
 
2023-01-29 12:06:05 PM  
Some scumbag businessman takes advantage of desperate people by selling them Murica's junk.  This is now the definition of 'heroic'?
 
2023-01-29 12:24:47 PM  

Fissile: Some scumbag businessman takes advantage of desperate people by selling them Murica's junk.  This is now the definition of 'heroic'?


It's not junk, it's cars that Americans won't repair on their own but Ukrainians will. Insurance companies will total out a car for 20 hours of labor because they're estimating $150-200 an hour for labor on top of the parts/replacement cost. If Ukrainians are willing to do the work themselves, then it makes economic sense to ship totaled cars over there.
 
2023-01-29 12:30:11 PM  

Fissile: Some scumbag businessman takes advantage of desperate people by selling them Murica's junk.  This is now the definition of 'heroic'?


The fact that a car is declared a "total loss" by the insurance company simply means that it's uneconomic to repair it at USAn parts prices and labor rates.  It does not mean it is "junk" or inherently unsafe.

This past spring I was involved in a collision in which the other driver disregarded a flashing-red signal. My car was declared a "total loss" by my insurance company.  Normally I would have taken the payout and gone car shopping, but, given the realities of the used-car market this past spring (short version: inflated prices caused by pandemic and chip shortage), I decided to buy the car back from the insurance company and have it repaired, out of pocket. After the repair, I continued to have a car that was safe to drive.

If the businessman is honest about what he is selling, and is not misrepresenting it, he's not a "scumbag".  He's simply engaged in arbitrage: taking that which has no or minimal value in the USA, and transporting it to where it has some value as a repairable automobile. He makes some money and a family has a car they can drive. Everybody wins.
 
2023-01-29 12:36:36 PM  

geekbikerskum: Fissile: Some scumbag businessman takes advantage of desperate people by selling them Murica's junk.  This is now the definition of 'heroic'?

The fact that a car is declared a "total loss" by the insurance company simply means that it's uneconomic to repair it at USAn parts prices and labor rates.  It does not mean it is "junk" or inherently unsafe.

This past spring I was involved in a collision in which the other driver disregarded a flashing-red signal. My car was declared a "total loss" by my insurance company.  Normally I would have taken the payout and gone car shopping, but, given the realities of the used-car market this past spring (short version: inflated prices caused by pandemic and chip shortage), I decided to buy the car back from the insurance company and have it repaired, out of pocket. After the repair, I continued to have a car that was safe to drive.

If the businessman is honest about what he is selling, and is not misrepresenting it, he's not a "scumbag".  He's simply engaged in arbitrage: taking that which has no or minimal value in the USA, and transporting it to where it has some value as a repairable automobile. He makes some money and a family has a car they can drive. Everybody wins.


Also, he probably didn't just start doing this during the war.
 
2023-01-29 12:36:53 PM  

Lsherm: Fissile: Some scumbag businessman takes advantage of desperate people by selling them Murica's junk.  This is now the definition of 'heroic'?

It's not junk, it's cars that Americans won't repair on their own but Ukrainians will. Insurance companies will total out a car for 20 hours of labor because they're estimating $150-200 an hour for labor on top of the parts/replacement cost. If Ukrainians are willing to do the work themselves, then it makes economic sense to ship totaled cars over there.



Did you know that most Eastern Euro countries have import restrictions on cars over a certain age because they were tired of being flooded with Western Euro and Murican junk?  Apparently not the Ukraine.

Did you know Putin pissed off a lot of Western automakers after Russia passed a law that required those automakers to set up shop in Russia if they sold over a certain number of cars?  Not only were they required to set up production facilities, they had to be making current models and not old models that were discontinued in the West.  He outright stated at a news conference that Russia was no longer going to be the dumping ground for obsolete Western junk.
 
2023-01-29 12:53:25 PM  

Fissile: Did you know Putin pissed off a lot of Western automakers after Russia passed a law that required those automakers to set up shop in Russia if they sold over a certain number of cars? Not only were they required to set up production facilities, they had to be making current models and not old models that were discontinued in the West. He outright stated at a news conference that Russia was no longer going to be the dumping ground for obsolete Western junk.


Most people would refer to that as "protectionism".  Usually scumbag governments do that sort of thing when people start shouting, "They terk er jerbs!" loudly enough.

The last time you saw this in the USA was as a response to inexpensive Japanese cars in the '80s.  We never passed tariffs but we threatened to, so the Japanese auto makers self-imposed "voluntary export quotas".  It was a case of "cut your exports to the US or we'll cut them for you, and you won't like what we do."
 
2023-01-29 12:59:39 PM  

geekbikerskum: Fissile: Did you know Putin pissed off a lot of Western automakers after Russia passed a law that required those automakers to set up shop in Russia if they sold over a certain number of cars? Not only were they required to set up production facilities, they had to be making current models and not old models that were discontinued in the West. He outright stated at a news conference that Russia was no longer going to be the dumping ground for obsolete Western junk.

Most people would refer to that as "protectionism".  Usually scumbag governments do that sort of thing when people start shouting, "They terk er jerbs!" loudly enough.

The last time you saw this in the USA was as a response to inexpensive Japanese cars in the '80s.  We never passed tariffs but we threatened to, so the Japanese auto makers self-imposed "voluntary export quotas".  It was a case of "cut your exports to the US or we'll cut them for you, and you won't like what we do."


Many East Euro countries have no domestic car production yet they restrict what can be imported.   I know someone who owns property in Croatia.  They tried importing an old Honda but were told 'NO'.   After communism collapsed people brought in huge numbers of used cars that were driven for a while and abandoned, making it a major headache for the government.
 
2023-01-29 1:18:25 PM  
One of the cars that I owned was totaled twice by insurance companies, and sold back to me. I was able to do the repairs for the cost of used parts, and it was perfectly safe. I drive old cars, so the cost of professional labor will get them totaled for relatively minor incidents, like getting rear-ended while parked.
 
2023-01-29 5:02:11 PM  

geekbikerskum: Am shopping for a used Jetta/Golf Variant/Alltrack station wagon right now, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies.


The 2019 SportsWagon was the last year in the US, Enterprise dumped a bunch a year ago

The 1.4t is fine for a station wagon and we get pretty good mpg for doing mostly city driving (~28+)

We didn't need the awd and that only comes with the heavier 1.8
 
2023-01-30 8:24:26 AM  

geekbikerskum: robertus: Went up at the beginning of the pandemic - there was a busted seal around the sunroof (we think), and had some torrential rains.

Undoubtedly a plugged sunroof drain.  VWs are notorious for this.  The drains accumulate pine needles and leaves and other crap and when they do, they get plugged, and water that leaks in around the sunroof can't drain and the interior gets soaked.


I think I got $2.50 in a class action lawsuit for that. It just showed up in the mail and I had no idea.
 
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