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2023-01-28 5:30:33 PM  
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2023-01-28 6:24:47 PM  
Tell me again what value real estate agents add?
 
2023-01-28 6:40:02 PM  
They've gotten rather spoiled the last few years where they haven't had to do anything but put the listing up. Half the time there's not even a picture just an address and a price and it sells that day. I'd suggest that real estate agents have forgotten how to do their job.
 
2023-01-28 8:52:39 PM  
We have had the technology to render real estate agents obsolete for, at least, two decades. And combination of an effective monopoly and people's fear of change, keeps them around.
 
2023-01-28 9:18:49 PM  
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2023-01-28 9:25:44 PM  

EvilEgg: Tell me again what value real estate agents add?


A great realtor will give you a recommended sale price for your home to get rid of it quickly, at a higher price than you expected.  They will show the home and likely know other top realtors in the area to help sell your property even faster.
Do you want to check the comps, stage and show your home?  Realtors have a weapon in these cases, the buyers may have to pay the full 6%+ commission if the seller doesn't have an agent.  This results in fewer potential buyers.
 
2023-01-28 9:27:22 PM  
"We can't even imagine life without this thing we only found out about a month ago!"
 
2023-01-28 9:42:56 PM  

Northern: EvilEgg: Tell me again what value real estate agents add?

A great realtor will give you a recommended sale price for your home to get rid of it quickly, at a higher price than you expected.  They will show the home and likely know other top realtors in the area to help sell your property even faster.
Do you want to check the comps, stage and show your home?  Realtors have a weapon in these cases, the buyers may have to pay the full 6%+ commission if the seller doesn't have an agent.  This results in fewer potential buyers.


So does Zillow and countless others.
 
2023-01-28 9:57:06 PM  
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Found this gem of a description on social media this week. This house is pending sale with this description too.
 
2023-01-28 9:57:30 PM  

EvilEgg: Tell me again what value real estate agents add?

 
2023-01-28 10:09:15 PM  
Just goes to show how meaningless these descriptions are in the first place
 
2023-01-28 10:19:05 PM  

Northern: EvilEgg: Tell me again what value real estate agents add?

A great realtor will give you a recommended sale price for your home to get rid of it quickly, at a higher price than you expected.  They will show the home and likely know other top realtors in the area to help sell your property even faster.
Do you want to check the comps, stage and show your home?  Realtors have a weapon in these cases, the buyers may have to pay the full 6%+ commission if the seller doesn't have an agent.  This results in fewer potential buyers.


The commission is usually defined on the selling listing, and that's usually split between the agents.  when there isnt an agent for one half frequently it's defined as flat fee to the sellers non-realtor agent, x%/flat fee to the buyer's agent.

Why would a buyer have to pay 6%?  Ever?

Possibly 3%, and only if you have a sketchy as fark buyer's agent.
 
2023-01-28 10:21:20 PM  
so there is a market for a ChatRealEstateGPT?
 
2023-01-28 10:41:00 PM  

EvilEgg: Tell me again what value real estate agents add?


Real Estate Agents are financially motivated to work against the sellers interest.

Flat fee (say $10,000)?
If they sell for $700,000, I spend 100 hours showing the home, it takes 6 months and I get $10,000. If I convince them to sell for $600,000 it sells tomorrow to the first viewer and I get $10,000 and I can do the same for another property the next day.

Percentage fee (say 1%)?
If they sell for $700,000, I spend 100 hours showing the home, it takes 6 months and I get $7,000. If I convince them to sell for $600,000 it sells tomorrow to the first viewer and I get $6,000 and I can do the same for another property the next day.
 
2023-01-28 10:42:10 PM  
If AI can write news articles, then why not real estate listings?
 
2023-01-28 10:46:56 PM  

dyhchong: EvilEgg: Tell me again what value real estate agents add?

Real Estate Agents are financially motivated to work against the sellers interest.

Flat fee (say $10,000)?
If they sell for $700,000, I spend 100 hours showing the home, it takes 6 months and I get $10,000. If I convince them to sell for $600,000 it sells tomorrow to the first viewer and I get $10,000 and I can do the same for another property the next day.

Percentage fee (say 1%)?
If they sell for $700,000, I spend 100 hours showing the home, it takes 6 months and I get $7,000. If I convince them to sell for $600,000 it sells tomorrow to the first viewer and I get $6,000 and I can do the same for another property the next day.


What farking idiot agrees to a flat fee?
 
2023-01-29 12:17:33 AM  
writing a listing description

ChatGPT will be doing this soon enough.
 
2023-01-29 12:44:40 AM  

dyhchong: EvilEgg: Tell me again what value real estate agents add?

Real Estate Agents are financially motivated to work against the sellers interest.

Flat fee (say $10,000)?
If they sell for $700,000, I spend 100 hours showing the home, it takes 6 months and I get $10,000. If I convince them to sell for $600,000 it sells tomorrow to the first viewer and I get $10,000 and I can do the same for another property the next day.

Percentage fee (say 1%)?
If they sell for $700,000, I spend 100 hours showing the home, it takes 6 months and I get $7,000. If I convince them to sell for $600,000 it sells tomorrow to the first viewer and I get $6,000 and I can do the same for another property the next day.


Money is not a seller's only interest.
 
2023-01-29 12:55:00 AM  

Phil McKraken: writing a listing description

ChatGPT will be doing this soon enough.


Wanna know how I know you haven't read the lonked article? :)
 
2023-01-29 1:04:46 AM  

Ninja Lawtalker Guy: "We can't even imagine life without this thing we only found out about a month ago!"


I am tuning up criteria for an ebay listing generator for CGPT.. frankly, it's freaking great.  I had taught one of the children to help write descriptions for me, but this is way more reliable, and now i or the kid can just pump in a few details about a product, read through the description to see that it actually understood everything, and we get a pretty great product description out.

I love it.
 
2023-01-29 1:07:00 AM  

Craw Fu: If AI can write news articles, then why not real estate listings?


PolTab fark postings.

/the shiat posters will be easier to see
//not allowed to call out names
 
2023-01-29 1:08:20 AM  

KB202: dyhchong: EvilEgg: Tell me again what value real estate agents add?

Real Estate Agents are financially motivated to work against the sellers interest.

Flat fee (say $10,000)?
If they sell for $700,000, I spend 100 hours showing the home, it takes 6 months and I get $10,000. If I convince them to sell for $600,000 it sells tomorrow to the first viewer and I get $10,000 and I can do the same for another property the next day.

Percentage fee (say 1%)?
If they sell for $700,000, I spend 100 hours showing the home, it takes 6 months and I get $7,000. If I convince them to sell for $600,000 it sells tomorrow to the first viewer and I get $6,000 and I can do the same for another property the next day.

Money is not a seller's only interest.


In that case you could sell the 700k property for 200k and you wouldn't need a real estate agent and it would be gone the next day.
 
2023-01-29 1:20:30 AM  
Um...

ChatGPT is free for now, but OpenAI, the company behind it, is reportedly considering a monthly charge of $42. Asion said "it's not even a question" he would pay for access. "I would easily pay $100 or $200 a year for something like this," he said.

Can this thing also do math?
 
2023-01-29 1:21:42 AM  

cyberspacedout: Um...

ChatGPT is free for now, but OpenAI, the company behind it, is reportedly considering a monthly charge of $42. Asion said "it's not even a question" he would pay for access. "I would easily pay $100 or $200 a year for something like this," he said.

Can this thing also do math?


It can, but the realtor probably cannot
 
2023-01-29 1:40:54 AM  

dyhchong: EvilEgg: Tell me again what value real estate agents add?

Real Estate Agents are financially motivated to work against the sellers interest.

Flat fee (say $10,000)?
If they sell for $700,000, I spend 100 hours showing the home, it takes 6 months and I get $10,000. If I convince them to sell for $600,000 it sells tomorrow to the first viewer and I get $10,000 and I can do the same for another property the next day.

Percentage fee (say 1%)?
If they sell for $700,000, I spend 100 hours showing the home, it takes 6 months and I get $7,000. If I convince them to sell for $600,000 it sells tomorrow to the first viewer and I get $6,000 and I can do the same for another property the next day.


Both the buyer's agent and the seller's agent are incentivized for price to go as high as possible, because the vast  majority of them make a percentage of final sale price.

This is farked up from the perspective of the buyer, who is helping the person who is supposed to look out for them get paid more the worse job they do.

This is analagous to paying a defense lawyer more if their client gets sentenced to a longer time in jail.

A rethink of the entire real estate profession is in order.

/ They're crossing their arms and smiling smugly because theyre earning as much as you but with only a high school diploma and 6 week real.estatenagent certificate... oh and a couple of hours of work a week
 
2023-01-29 2:45:38 AM  

cyberspacedout: Um...

ChatGPT is free for now, but OpenAI, the company behind it, is reportedly considering a monthly charge of $42. Asion said "it's not even a question" he would pay for access. "I would easily pay $100 or $200 a year for something like this," he said.

Can this thing also do math?


It tries, but the answer is frequently wrong. Before it becomes a commercially-viable product, they're going to have to fix that.

Speaking of which, unlike Google which just points you to where to go look for an answer to your question, ChatGPT answers directly. I see a lot of liability issues emerging from that when it inevitably gets something wrong.
 
2023-01-29 2:46:13 AM  
Every Real Estate Agent Ever
Youtube c8fYMSuiD0I
 
2023-01-29 2:50:17 AM  

Cajnik: [YouTube video: Every Real Estate Agent Ever]


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"Just a biiiit of language in that clip"
// It's full of f-boms
 
2023-01-29 3:21:18 AM  

EvilEgg: Tell me again what value real estate agents add?


Well, if you work 9-5, do you want to spend 2 weeks showing 5 people a day your house after work, and having 10 voice mails a day on your phone?

If the answer is no, then here is 5% of your house sale you won't be seeing.
 
2023-01-29 7:16:42 AM  
Insert ChatGPT
 
2023-01-29 7:38:45 AM  

jjorsett: cyberspacedout: Um...

ChatGPT is free for now, but OpenAI, the company behind it, is reportedly considering a monthly charge of $42. Asion said "it's not even a question" he would pay for access. "I would easily pay $100 or $200 a year for something like this," he said.

Can this thing also do math?

It tries, but the answer is frequently wrong. Before it becomes a commercially-viable product, they're going to have to fix that.

Speaking of which, unlike Google which just points you to where to go look for an answer to your question, ChatGPT answers directly. I see a lot of liability issues emerging from that when it inevitably gets something wrong.


I'm thinking these real estate agents are dumb as shiat if they don't proof what chatgtp spits out.  If there's inaccurate stuff  in the listing, the agent will be on the hook for it.
 
2023-01-29 7:51:22 AM  

OhioUGrad: EvilEgg: Tell me again what value real estate agents add?


My real estate agent sourced and managed multiple contractors to fix up the house after we moved six hours away, to get it ready for listing condition. Recarpeting, reflooring, plumbing, painting, patchwork on walls. Just gave me estimates up front and final bills later. Went fantastic, house sold above listing in a week (this was before things started getting stupid in a part of town that never really got stupid).
 
2023-01-29 8:38:18 AM  
A buzz phrase generator for the lazy.
 
2023-01-29 9:00:29 AM  

ChibiDebuHage: dyhchong: EvilEgg: Tell me again what value real estate agents add?

Real Estate Agents are financially motivated to work against the sellers interest.

Flat fee (say $10,000)?
If they sell for $700,000, I spend 100 hours showing the home, it takes 6 months and I get $10,000. If I convince them to sell for $600,000 it sells tomorrow to the first viewer and I get $10,000 and I can do the same for another property the next day.

Percentage fee (say 1%)?
If they sell for $700,000, I spend 100 hours showing the home, it takes 6 months and I get $7,000. If I convince them to sell for $600,000 it sells tomorrow to the first viewer and I get $6,000 and I can do the same for another property the next day.

Both the buyer's agent and the seller's agent are incentivized for price to go as high as possible, because the vast  majority of them make a percentage of final sale price.

This is farked up from the perspective of the buyer, who is helping the person who is supposed to look out for them get paid more the worse job they do.

This is analagous to paying a defense lawyer more if their client gets sentenced to a longer time in jail.

A rethink of the entire real estate profession is in order.

/ They're crossing their arms and smiling smugly because theyre earning as much as you but with only a high school diploma and 6 week real.estatenagent certificate... oh and a couple of hours of work a week


Yes and no. They want it to be high, but they're not incentivized to get the best possible price for the seller or buyer, they're most incentivized to sell it quickly. This is demonstrated by statistics about what happens when agents sell their own houses.

If a house will definitely sell for $500K, but will take longer and more work to sell for $525K, the seller's agent only sees a net gain of $750 from that increase in price, and they may not find that extra time and effort to be worth it. In many cases they'd likely advise the client to sell it at the $500K, pocket their check, and go on to selling the next house, despite knowing the client could actually get a more by waiting or changing the listing or whatnot.

However, when they're selling their own property and will see almost all of that $25K, they will wait and put in the time to get that extra.
 
2023-01-29 9:51:05 AM  

EvilEgg: Tell me again what value real estate agents add?


The ones who actually do their jobs and are moderately good at it can make a difference of tens of thousands of dollars in sales prices and can save you just as much money -- and lots of headaches -- just by knowing enough about property law to keep you from getting screwed over or to keep you from getting sued by accidentally screwing your buyer. The REALLY good ones can boost you in the marketing side of things even in a seller's market and keep your listing from going stale.

The mediocre ones are, at best, middle men that save you the trouble of filling out a mountain of paperwork you may or may not understand; they're basically just lawyers you don't have to pay until closing time.

The mediocre/corrupt ones will trick you into selling way under market value to a house flipper and then take a kickback 6 months later when the guy resells it at a massive profit.

The shiattiest and laziest ones will do things like rely on chatgpt to write descriptions for new listings.
 
2023-01-29 9:55:35 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Northern: EvilEgg: Tell me again what value real estate agents add?

A great realtor will give you a recommended sale price for your home to get rid of it quickly, at a higher price than you expected.  They will show the home and likely know other top realtors in the area to help sell your property even faster.
Do you want to check the comps, stage and show your home?  Realtors have a weapon in these cases, the buyers may have to pay the full 6%+ commission if the seller doesn't have an agent.  This results in fewer potential buyers.

So does Zillow and countless others.


Zillow only has access to zillow listings (obviously) and its comps are generated algorithmically; good ballpark, but rarely accurate.

Realtors have access to larger databases with better info. The kind of data that isn't free.
 
2023-01-29 10:35:30 AM  

AppleOptionEsc: EvilEgg: Tell me again what value real estate agents add?

Well, if you work 9-5, do you want to spend 2 weeks showing 5 people a day your house after work, and having 10 voice mails a day on your phone?

If the answer is no, then here is 5% of your house sale you won't be seeing.


Lots of other countries have similar professions but drastically lower compensation models. The 6% standard Americans are used to is the result of very effective lobbying/anticompetitive practices by the National Association of Realtors.

Nobody really has a problem with the job they do. Yes, it would be handy to have someone show the house, and yes, it would be handy to have someone help you shop for your next home - it is a huge purchase.

They are to houses what Monster HDMI cables are to TVs. They did some research and determined that people will tolerate some percentage of getting screwed, as long as it's small compared to the total price. $500k for a house? Charge em....$30k

Just the obvious - the price of a property has no relationship to how much work it takes to buy or sell it, should strongly suggest the fee isn't based on anything but what they can get.

And that's not inherently bad. The bad part is the effective monopoly they established so that nobody else can do it for less. They've had 100+ years of screwing over...all of us. The internet should have disrupted it long ago, but instead we just have a bunch of antitrust lawsuits and huge huge huge amounts of lobbying.

The NAR wields substantial power as a lobbying organization. Since 1999, the NAR has spent more than $99,384,108,[27] and spent $22,355,463 in 2011 alone.[28] It has consistently ranked among the largest Political Action Committees in the United States.

In its 2016 figures, OpenSecrets ranked the National Association of Realtors as the 2nd largest top spender in lobbying after the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. The NAR spent $64,821,111 in 2016


I don't blame individual Realtors (tm), they mostly just want a job and the median pay they get, most of them, is very little. But as a group, it really is one of the worst.
 
2023-01-29 10:54:43 AM  

edmo: They've gotten rather spoiled the last few years where they haven't had to do anything but put the listing up. Half the time there's not even a picture just an address and a price and it sells that day. I'd suggest that real estate agents have forgotten how to do their job.


This is a reminder that their job is to earn commissions as quickly as possible. It isn't to maximize the amount their clients receive. There have been numerous studies on this subject. They are ripping of their clients, that's what they do.
 
2023-01-29 10:56:37 AM  

evilmrsock: OhioUGrad: EvilEgg: Tell me again what value real estate agents add?

My real estate agent sourced and managed multiple contractors to fix up the house after we moved six hours away, to get it ready for listing condition. Recarpeting, reflooring, plumbing, painting, patchwork on walls. Just gave me estimates up front and final bills later. Went fantastic, house sold above listing in a week (this was before things started getting stupid in a part of town that never really got stupid).


Above listing that they helped set?
 
2023-01-29 11:24:10 AM  
Moopy Mac: edmo: They've gotten rather spoiled the last few years where they haven't had to do anything but put the listing up. Half the time there's not even a picture just an address and a price and it sells that day. I'd suggest that real estate agents have forgotten how to do their job.

This is a reminder that their job is to earn commissions as quickly as possible. It isn't to maximize the amount their clients receive. There have been numerous studies on this subject. They are ripping of their clients, that's what they do.


Their job literally is to get the best deal possible for their clients. That doesn't mean they're actually GOOD at it (a lot of them aren't).

You can unlist from a realtor any time you want if you think he's doing a shiatty job and there's literally nothing they can do about it. An easy test for a good realtor os whether or not they tell you this up front.
 
2023-01-29 11:40:50 AM  

ChibiDebuHage: Phil McKraken: writing a listing description

ChatGPT will be doing this soon enough.

Wanna know how I know you haven't read the lonked article? :)


I tried but the lonk was broken.
 
2023-01-29 11:40:54 AM  
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2023-01-29 11:48:06 AM  

Moopy Mac: evilmrsock: OhioUGrad: EvilEgg: Tell me again what value real estate agents add?

My real estate agent sourced and managed multiple contractors to fix up the house after we moved six hours away, to get it ready for listing condition. Recarpeting, reflooring, plumbing, painting, patchwork on walls. Just gave me estimates up front and final bills later. Went fantastic, house sold above listing in a week (this was before things started getting stupid in a part of town that never really got stupid).

Above listing that they helped set?


They helped set, sure, but everyone here is talking about 500k vs 700k as swings, our area the reasonable swing was 180-210. Sold for 225 within a week after they spent a couple months getting it ready.

We basically financed our destination house on the promise that we would be able to sell our house within a few months for a minimum price that we might not have met without the work being done, we had bought it as a foreclosure and there were some smaller things we never got around to making "non fha loan audience ready".

The move wouldn't have been as plausible without the assistance because the work required the furniture to be cleared out and we had outside time restrictions stopping us from doing some sort of temporary lodging.
 
2023-01-29 1:30:38 PM  

akallen404: Moopy Mac: edmo: They've gotten rather spoiled the last few years where they haven't had to do anything but put the listing up. Half the time there's not even a picture just an address and a price and it sells that day. I'd suggest that real estate agents have forgotten how to do their job.

This is a reminder that their job is to earn commissions as quickly as possible. It isn't to maximize the amount their clients receive. There have been numerous studies on this subject. They are ripping of their clients, that's what they do.

Their job literally is to get the best deal possible for their clients. That doesn't mean they're actually GOOD at it (a lot of them aren't).

You can unlist from a realtor any time you want if you think he's doing a shiatty job and there's literally nothing they can do about it. An easy test for a good realtor os whether or not they tell you this up front.


Maybe you are in a state with some legal protection, but that's 100% false in every place I've lived and with ever Realtor I've used.

The contract you sign with them when you agree to list them expressly prevents it.

When sellers hire a listing agent to sell their home, they will enter into a contract with that Realtor. These contracts are often Exclusive Right to Sell contracts. In an Exclusive Right to Sell contract, the listing agent is owed the commission no matter who purchases the home. So even if you find the buyer, your Realtor will still get their commission. In many ways, this makes sense given that many Realtors put their own money and time into selling a home. These contracts may also contain some sort of clause that protects the Realtor in the case that the contract is terminated. This could mean that the seller still needs to pay the Realtor their commission even if they are fired. Or it could mean that there is simply no clause that allows the seller to remove themselves from the contract - even if they are unhappy with the agent.

I'm trying to be a nice guy, but it's hard for me to imagine a statement being more wrong than yours. At least, in the two states I've lived and sold property.
 
2023-01-29 2:04:00 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Northern: EvilEgg: Tell me again what value real estate agents add?

A great realtor will give you a recommended sale price for your home to get rid of it quickly, at a higher price than you expected.  They will show the home and likely know other top realtors in the area to help sell your property even faster.
Do you want to check the comps, stage and show your home?  Realtors have a weapon in these cases, the buyers may have to pay the full 6%+ commission if the seller doesn't have an agent.  This results in fewer potential buyers.

So does Zillow and countless others.


I thought Zillow and Redfin charged a lot less.
 
2023-01-29 2:11:00 PM  

Craw Fu: If AI can write news articles, then why not real estate listings?


The marginal contribution of the AI, beyond merely compiling facts, is still very low. Decades-old internet indexing algorithms, along with the humans who enter the analog information online, still do most of the heavy lifting.

Real estate listings and news articles (like in newspapers) used to have a lot of value because how else were you supposed to even know at all that a house with X-BD/Y-BA was for sale for $N, or that someone got shot last night on M Street? The listing wording itself is a formality that has very little value. Now, if ChatBot listings were proven to sell for materially higher than before, or could perform Woodward/Bernstein-level investigative journalism, that would be something.
 
2023-01-29 6:10:24 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: akallen404: Moopy Mac: edmo: They've gotten rather spoiled the last few years where they haven't had to do anything but put the listing up. Half the time there's not even a picture just an address and a price and it sells that day. I'd suggest that real estate agents have forgotten how to do their job.

This is a reminder that their job is to earn commissions as quickly as possible. It isn't to maximize the amount their clients receive. There have been numerous studies on this subject. They are ripping of their clients, that's what they do.

Their job literally is to get the best deal possible for their clients. That doesn't mean they're actually GOOD at it (a lot of them aren't).

You can unlist from a realtor any time you want if you think he's doing a shiatty job and there's literally nothing they can do about it. An easy test for a good realtor os whether or not they tell you this up front.

Maybe you are in a state with some legal protection, but that's 100% false in every place I've lived and with ever Realtor I've used.

The contract you sign with them when you agree to list them expressly prevents it.

When sellers hire a listing agent to sell their home, they will enter into a contract with that Realtor. These contracts are often Exclusive Right to Sell contracts. In an Exclusive Right to Sell contract, the listing agent is owed the commission no matter who purchases the home. So even if you find the buyer, your Realtor will still get their commission. In many ways, this makes sense given that many Realtors put their own money and time into selling a home. These contracts may also contain some sort of clause that protects the Realtor in the case that the contract is terminated. This could mean that the seller still needs to pay the Realtor their commission even if they are fired. Or it could mean that there is simply no clause that allows the seller to remove themselves from the contract - even if they are unhappy with the agent.

I'm trying to be a nice guy, but it's hard for me to imagine a statement being more wrong than yours. At least, in the two states I've lived and sold property.


It's not even a state issue, it's a requirement for licensing. Someone wants out of the listing agreement, then they're out, period. Obviously you can't just make a realtor do all the work and then cancel the agreement at the last minute, but if you don't have any offers or even anyone interested, you can end the agreement at any time.

Any realtor that tells you you can't is breaking the law, and if you report him for doing so, he'll likely face a fine or lose his license. He will probably threaten to sue you if he thinks you're a sucker, but if he tries to take you to court for ending a listing agreement, there isn't a judge in this country that won't laugh in his face.

You don't have a problem with realtors. You have a problem with swindlers.

/So does my dad
// His realtor tricked him into selling for $70k less than what he paid for it
/// Then re-listed the house a month later at full price.
 
2023-01-29 6:22:44 PM  
Hoping to get some advice here...

Mom died around Thanksgiving, I'm about to become executor of her estate. I actually live 200 miles from the house, and the last thing I want to do is clean out, superficially repaint, etc. The place. I understand there are clean out services that will do it for free and then nakm their money selling off the remivre contents. I'd like a realtor to take on selling the house on this basis: that I can walk away and let them handle the clean out and everything.  House was zestimated at around 400k.

What can I expect? What should I do? The profit from the house is all going to the care of my disabled brother, who Mon was caring for when she died.  So I want to maximize his money but minimize my time and effort because just taking care of him in my home now is a full time job itself.
 
2023-01-29 6:31:48 PM  

akallen404: Fark_Guy_Rob: akallen404: Moopy Mac: edmo: They've gotten rather spoiled the last few years where they haven't had to do anything but put the listing up. Half the time there's not even a picture just an address and a price and it sells that day. I'd suggest that real estate agents have forgotten how to do their job.

This is a reminder that their job is to earn commissions as quickly as possible. It isn't to maximize the amount their clients receive. There have been numerous studies on this subject. They are ripping of their clients, that's what they do.

Their job literally is to get the best deal possible for their clients. That doesn't mean they're actually GOOD at it (a lot of them aren't).

You can unlist from a realtor any time you want if you think he's doing a shiatty job and there's literally nothing they can do about it. An easy test for a good realtor os whether or not they tell you this up front.

Maybe you are in a state with some legal protection, but that's 100% false in every place I've lived and with ever Realtor I've used.

The contract you sign with them when you agree to list them expressly prevents it.

When sellers hire a listing agent to sell their home, they will enter into a contract with that Realtor. These contracts are often Exclusive Right to Sell contracts. In an Exclusive Right to Sell contract, the listing agent is owed the commission no matter who purchases the home. So even if you find the buyer, your Realtor will still get their commission. In many ways, this makes sense given that many Realtors put their own money and time into selling a home. These contracts may also contain some sort of clause that protects the Realtor in the case that the contract is terminated. This could mean that the seller still needs to pay the Realtor their commission even if they are fired. Or it could mean that there is simply no clause that allows the seller to remove themselves from the contract - even if they are unhappy with the agent.

I'm trying to be a nice guy, but it's hard for me to imagine a statement being more wrong than yours. At least, in the two states I've lived and sold property.

It's not even a state issue, it's a requirement for licensing. Someone wants out of the listing agreement, then they're out, period. Obviously you can't just make a realtor do all the work and then cancel the agreement at the last minute, but if you don't have any offers or even anyone interested, you can end the agreement at any time.

Any realtor that tells you you can't is breaking the law, and if you report him for doing so, he'll likely face a fine or lose his license. He will probably threaten to sue you if he thinks you're a sucker, but if he tries to take you to court for ending a listing agreement, there isn't a judge in this country that won't laugh in his face.

You don't have a problem with realtors. You have a problem with swindlers.

/So does my dad
// His realtor tricked him into selling for $70k less than what he paid for it
/// Then re-listed the house a month later at full price.


Can you provide a citation for this because just I'm only finding things that say otherwise in the states I've bought and sold property in.

There have been duration of representation clauses to be the agent that I've seen, but I've yet to see anything that is a must-stop-on-request without penalty type deal.

I'd like to be wrong to be better prepared for my next transactions!
 
2023-01-29 6:50:46 PM  

Marbleisheavy: akallen404: Fark_Guy_Rob: akallen404: Moopy Mac: edmo: They've gotten rather spoiled the last few years where they haven't had to do anything but put the listing up. Half the time there's not even a picture just an address and a price and it sells that day. I'd suggest that real estate agents have forgotten how to do their job.

This is a reminder that their job is to earn commissions as quickly as possible. It isn't to maximize the amount their clients receive. There have been numerous studies on this subject. They are ripping of their clients, that's what they do.

Their job literally is to get the best deal possible for their clients. That doesn't mean they're actually GOOD at it (a lot of them aren't).

You can unlist from a realtor any time you want if you think he's doing a shiatty job and there's literally nothing they can do about it. An easy test for a good realtor os whether or not they tell you this up front.

Maybe you are in a state with some legal protection, but that's 100% false in every place I've lived and with ever Realtor I've used.

The contract you sign with them when you agree to list them expressly prevents it.

When sellers hire a listing agent to sell their home, they will enter into a contract with that Realtor. These contracts are often Exclusive Right to Sell contracts. In an Exclusive Right to Sell contract, the listing agent is owed the commission no matter who purchases the home. So even if you find the buyer, your Realtor will still get their commission. In many ways, this makes sense given that many Realtors put their own money and time into selling a home. These contracts may also contain some sort of clause that protects the Realtor in the case that the contract is terminated. This could mean that the seller still needs to pay the Realtor their commission even if they are fired. Or it could mean that there is simply no clause that allows the seller to remove themselves from the contract - even if they are unhappy with the agent.

I'm trying to be a nice guy, but it's hard for me to imagine a statement being more wrong than yours. At least, in the two states I've lived and sold property.

It's not even a state issue, it's a requirement for licensing. Someone wants out of the listing agreement, then they're out, period. Obviously you can't just make a realtor do all the work and then cancel the agreement at the last minute, but if you don't have any offers or even anyone interested, you can end the agreement at any time.

Any realtor that tells you you can't is breaking the law, and if you report him for doing so, he'll likely face a fine or lose his license. He will probably threaten to sue you if he thinks you're a sucker, but if he tries to take you to court for ending a listing agreement, there isn't a judge in this country that won't laugh in his face.

You don't have a problem with realtors. You have a problem with swindlers.

/So does my dad
// His realtor tricked him into selling for $70k less than what he paid for it
/// Then re-listed the house a month later at full price.

Can you provide a citation for this because just I'm only finding things that say otherwise in the states I've bought and sold property in.

There have been duration of representation clauses to be the agent that I've seen, but I've yet to see anything that is a must-stop-on-request without penalty type deal.

I'd like to be wrong to be better prepared for my next transactions!


If your agent hands you a listing agreement and it DOESN'T clearly spell out your right to terminate the agreement (or clearly specify under what circumstances you would still be liable) then feel free to take that agreement and wipe your ass with it.

Even if he offers a finite Duration of Representation (three months, let's say) you still have a legal right to terminate the agreement, and a good realtor will put it in writing what your obligations actually are, and you can negotiate literally every part of that agreement, including the commission.

There are ALOT of shady bastards in this industry. I'd say there are at least as many swindler realtors as there are slumlords. And a depressingly large number of them aren't even crooked, they just suck at their jobs. The only person who can fire them for sucking is YOU, so if you get a contract that basically says "You can't fire me" it's pretty safe bet which kind you've got.
 
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