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2023-01-28 3:01:26 PM  
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Take your religion and FOAD.
 
2023-01-28 4:32:52 PM  
On Tuesday, he said that homosexuality "should not be a crime," as in, carry criminal penalties.

What he said yesterday was that even if you don't go to jail for it, God will still burn you for it if you don't admit that it is wrong and commit yourself to avoiding it, (aka "repentence.")

The two statements are not intrinsically contradictory, but maybe people should be just a bit more aware of the weasel wording and important omissions the pope uses when the he says things like "we shouldn't prosecute people for being gay." He's pulled this sort of thing quite a few times now.
 
2023-01-28 5:26:34 PM  

Martian_Astronomer: On Tuesday, he said that homosexuality "should not be a crime," as in, carry criminal penalties.

What he said yesterday was that even if you don't go to jail for it, God will still burn you for it if you don't admit that it is wrong and commit yourself to avoiding it, (aka "repentence.")

The two statements are not intrinsically contradictory, but maybe people should be just a bit more aware of the weasel wording and important omissions the pope uses when the he says things like "we shouldn't prosecute people for being gay." He's pulled this sort of thing quite a few times now.


THIS

Been saying it since he was put into power - the guy isn't saying anything revolutionary or new, nothing other than the same old bullshiat, repackaged into nicer-sounding words and an avuncular smile.

The gaslighting is worse than ever, and that's saying something considering it's the Roman Catholic Church.
 
2023-01-28 5:39:45 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: THIS

Been saying it since he was put into power - the guy isn't saying anything revolutionary or new, nothing other than the same old bullshiat, repackaged into nicer-sounding words and an avuncular smile.

The gaslighting is worse than ever, and that's saying something considering it's the Roman Catholic Church.


Yup. Cute Pope Francis is just a distraction so the cardinals can get on with the true evil. And they still hate his guts. Next Pope will be more their kind. Shame for them that George Pell kicked the bucket, he'd have been right up their alley, except that he was working against their grift.
 
2023-01-28 6:07:48 PM  

Jesus McSordid: Benevolent Misanthrope: THIS

Been saying it since he was put into power - the guy isn't saying anything revolutionary or new, nothing other than the same old bullshiat, repackaged into nicer-sounding words and an avuncular smile.

The gaslighting is worse than ever, and that's saying something considering it's the Roman Catholic Church.

Yup. Cute Pope Francis is just a distraction so the cardinals can get on with the true evil. And they still hate his guts. Next Pope will be more their kind. Shame for them that George Pell kicked the bucket, he'd have been right up their alley, except that he was working against their grift.


Pell's Australian.  No way would they ever elect someone who wasn't from a safely Catholic country.  And yeah - he's an obvious part of the child rape crisis in the Church - which wouldn't really be a problem for them if he weren't so obvious about it.

<insert Florida Man insisting Pell was exonerated, with people who actually read pointing up that the reason for the acquittal on appeal was that the High Court said that even if the evidence was overwhelming and the guy was so obviously guilty, they should have at least second-guessed it.  And laughter at Florida Man.>

The next pope will be more like Ratzinger, but not so disastrously morose.  And probably from Africa or South Asia - that's where the RCC is most successful at the moment with their proselytization and also with their recruiting to the religious life.
 
2023-01-28 6:18:29 PM  
The "gheys are bad, mkay?" thing comes from a bad translation of one passage of the Bible. Get a life, old man.
 
2023-01-28 6:30:00 PM  

bingethinker: The "gheys are bad, mkay?" thing comes from a bad translation of one passage of the Bible. Get a life, old man.


Unfortunately, this is not true.

There are a couple of words in lists of sins in Paul's epistles that have disputed/ambigious meanings, but those words do not occur in Romans 1, which contains probably the biggest condemnation of homosexuality in the New Testament.
 
2023-01-28 6:35:52 PM  
I like this distinction. It might be a sin and a crime against your faith but the rest of us don't need a bunch of fundies trying to codify their religious hate into law.
 
2023-01-28 7:21:13 PM  
They'll compromise and say homosexuality isn't really a sin if you're a top.
 
2023-01-28 8:16:35 PM  

Martian_Astronomer: bingethinker: The "gheys are bad, mkay?" thing comes from a bad translation of one passage of the Bible. Get a life, old man.

Unfortunately, this is not true.

There are a couple of words in lists of sins in Paul's epistles that have disputed/ambigious meanings, but those words do not occur in Romans 1, which contains probably the biggest condemnation of homosexuality in the New Testament.


Still most of the passages come from Paul. Not Jesus himself, mind you -- just some guy who knew Jesus, and who worked pretty hard to gather power through building up the Christian Church. Not that I really think it matters; there's so much misogyny sprinkled throughout the book (far more than any discussion of homosexuality) that I can't take it seriously as a source of moral guidance.
 
2023-01-28 9:10:07 PM  
Wait, was his earlier statement was about tug jobs that happened after a few drinks, or did they mean Frankie said what he did after pouring his communion wine too generously?

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2023-01-28 9:32:04 PM  
So what about abortion, then? Shouldn't the Catholics then also stay the f*ck out that political discussion as well? By all means, condemn abortion, but stay the f*ck away from laws. Render under Caesar and all that, f*ckwads.
 
2023-01-28 9:32:38 PM  
....except during the AP interview he specifically said it was a sin, but not criminal.

How is his further stating what he already said news?
 
2023-01-28 9:35:57 PM  

Ghastly: They'll compromise and say homosexuality isn't really a sin if you're a top.


I thought it was not a sin so long as your balls don't touch while you're wearing a leather jacket on a Tuesday.
 
2023-01-28 9:43:37 PM  
Tuesday's Pope is full of Grace.

Friday's pope is.... *checks notes*...  apparently a jail house lawyer.
 
2023-01-28 9:46:07 PM  
He didn't really say that homosexuality isn't a sin. He essentially said the church should butt out on making it a crime, which I respect in a way. The church SHOULD mind its own farking business.
 
2023-01-28 9:47:33 PM  

indylaw: He didn't really say that homosexuality isn't a sin. He essentially said the church should butt out on making it a crime, which I respect in a way. The church SHOULD mind its own farking business.


Well I suppose there's a first time for everything.
 
2023-01-28 9:48:19 PM  
That's not at all what he said, subby.

He said that it shouldn't be a crime. If you knew how to read, you would have found that on TFA. See, he is a religious leader who isn't trying to get his religion's beliefs codified into law. That's all I ask.
 
2023-01-28 9:48:45 PM  
Being a homosexual isn't a sin. Sex outside of marriage is a sin.
 
2023-01-28 9:50:09 PM  
Who was asking him?
 
2023-01-28 9:50:39 PM  

indylaw: He didn't really say that homosexuality isn't a sin. He essentially said the church should butt out on making it a crime, which I respect in a way. The church SHOULD mind its own farking business.


Yeah, but subby wouldn't have gotten the Green by being honest.

I agree. I just want religious leaders to do this more often. Otherwise, unlike fark, I am fine letting religious people do their thing as long as they don't try to interfere with my thing.
 
2023-01-28 9:51:31 PM  

Massa Damnata: Who was asking him?


RTFA, asshole. I'm not here to read it for your lazy ass.
 
2023-01-28 9:52:29 PM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: Being a homosexual isn't a sin. Sex outside of marriage is a sin.


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If you disallow same-sex marriage.

Then being same-sex is a sin.
 
2023-01-28 9:53:16 PM  

Ghastly: They'll compromise and say homosexuality isn't really a sin if you're a top.


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/Halleloo!
//Marked 'Safe' from Eternal Damnation.
///Now, I feel like celebratin'...
 
2023-01-28 9:54:14 PM  

Mikey1969: indylaw: He didn't really say that homosexuality isn't a sin. He essentially said the church should butt out on making it a crime, which I respect in a way. The church SHOULD mind its own farking business.

Yeah, but subby wouldn't have gotten the Green by being honest.

I agree. I just want religious leaders to do this more often. Otherwise, unlike fark, I am fine letting religious people do their thing as long as they don't try to interfere with my thing.


Are you implying a submitter would post something inflammatory and misleading just to get approved?!
 
2023-01-28 9:54:25 PM  

austerity101: So what about abortion, then? Shouldn't the Catholics then also stay the f*ck out that political discussion as well? By all means, condemn abortion, but stay the f*ck away from laws. Render under Caesar and all that, f*ckwads.


underrated comment.
 
2023-01-28 9:54:40 PM  
"When I said it is a sin, I was simply referring to Catholic moral teaching, which says that every sexual act outside of marriage is a sin," Francis wrote


Exactly! That's why the Catholic Church has always included homosexual partners in their sacrament of marriage. So they could have a loving relationship, free of sin.


/Fark you Francis.
 
2023-01-28 9:55:46 PM  
So you go to Hell if you don't follow the rules of your religion, but not necessarily all the rules of my religion, which OK, because it's not your rules?

What the Pope say is that heterosexuality is not illegal but it is a sin for Church, their faithful priests and lay laity, . The laws of nations are not made by God and don't concern themselves with your private emotions, druthers, intentions, theology, or what have you, only with actions that can be controlled by the police,If the courts, the legislatures.

What the Pops said he is NOT the President of you. The idea the Pope means to replace the US Constitution, laws, President with the Vatican, its rules and ethics. What the Pope said, like all his predecessors is that God choses the Kings and only he may unchoose them.

What the Pope actually said was careless, but not ex cathedra, so it is not Church Law or God's Law.

And so on in so forth, because Popes are not all as stupid or insane as the one who declared himself Infallible.

Same old, same old.

He's amazingly adept at sounding liberal and tolerant while being traditional and orthodox.

If an Atheist can understand all of this, a Soverign Citizen should be smart enough to grasp it, and not just the Pope' interpetation of the rules but also the Bible when it says that you should obey your Masters and your Nation's Laws, not try Christian theology in a Roman Court of Law where it is unlikely to be unheld by Pagans.

He should understand the Pope has to say the Roman Catholic thing because he is Pope, but also says the Patriotic thing to not seem to be Antichrist and tyring to overthow the US Constitution using the Faithful as foot soldiers in a Christian Jihad, you know, like the Protties do.

If I have got the wrong handle on this Pope, Church, Relligion, God and such, I will recant it all when God personally tells me I am wrong and explains why is right.
 
2023-01-28 9:56:26 PM  

snowjack: Still most of the passages come from Paul. Not Jesus himself, mind you -- just some guy who knew Jesus, and who worked pretty hard to gather power through building up the Christian Church.


Paul didn't even know Jesus.
 
2023-01-28 9:56:38 PM  

Martian_Astronomer: On Tuesday, he said that homosexuality "should not be a crime," as in, carry criminal penalties.

What he said yesterday was that even if you don't go to jail for it, God will still burn you for it if you don't admit that it is wrong and commit yourself to avoiding it, (aka "repentence.")

The two statements are not intrinsically contradictory, but maybe people should be just a bit more aware of the weasel wording and important omissions the pope uses when the he says things like "we shouldn't prosecute people for being gay." He's pulled this sort of thing quite a few times now.


He said there's a difference between casual conversation and the accuracies that teachings require. Apparently you never speak casually. Others do.
 
2023-01-28 9:57:08 PM  

Mikey1969: Massa Damnata: Who was asking him?

RTFA, asshole. I'm not here to read it for your lazy ass.


I'm guessing that you literally read with your ass. Which, while is impressive, means your ideas stink.
 
2023-01-28 9:57:22 PM  
He never said it wasn't a sin on Tuesday.
 
2023-01-28 9:58:39 PM  

NobleHam: snowjack: Still most of the passages come from Paul. Not Jesus himself, mind you -- just some guy who knew Jesus, and who worked pretty hard to gather power through building up the Christian Church.

Paul didn't even know Jesus.


And Jesus probably never heard of "Christ".
 
2023-01-28 9:58:39 PM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: Being a homosexual isn't a sin. Sex outside of marriage is a sin.


Treating people in ways other than how you want to be treated is a sin. That includes coercive, deceptive, or manipulative sex.

Other than that, I don't think the universe that created Bonobos and prostate glands is emotionally invested in the rituals you and your partners use to define your relationships.
 
2023-01-28 9:58:47 PM  
Francis said in the pretend conversation

a fine definition of religion
 
2023-01-28 9:59:01 PM  

Massa Damnata: Mikey1969: Massa Damnata: Who was asking him?

RTFA, asshole. I'm not here to read it for your lazy ass.

I'm guessing that you literally read with your ass. Which, while is impressive, means your ideas stink.


That's nothing. I can deal cards with my butt cheeks.
 
2023-01-28 10:00:45 PM  
Years ago I used to say how farked are you on a scale of the Pope to Jenna Jameson. That saying isn't relevant anymore and needs a new baseline.
 
2023-01-28 10:00:58 PM  
Seems kind of fallible.
 
2023-01-28 10:01:06 PM  

yakmans_dad: accuracies that teachings require.


Accuracies in the MY Bible?

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2023-01-28 10:01:41 PM  

red230: Years ago I used to say how farked are you on a scale of the Pope to Jenna Jameson. That saying isn't relevant anymore and needs a new baseline.


You need to update your porn star reference.
 
2023-01-28 10:02:06 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: Massa Damnata: Mikey1969: Massa Damnata: Who was asking him?

RTFA, asshole. I'm not here to read it for your lazy ass.

I'm guessing that you literally read with your ass. Which, while is impressive, means your ideas stink.

That's nothing. I can deal cards with my butt cheeks.


Bet you get nothing but flushes.
 
2023-01-28 10:08:54 PM  

Martian_Astronomer: bingethinker: The "gheys are bad, mkay?" thing comes from a bad translation of one passage of the Bible. Get a life, old man.

Unfortunately, this is not true.

There are a couple of words in lists of sins in Paul's epistles that have disputed/ambigious meanings, but those words do not occur in Romans 1, which contains probably the biggest condemnation of homosexuality in the New Testament.


So basically Homosexuality is as big a sin as Lying. Cool your going to hell.
 
2023-01-28 10:13:04 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: Mikey1969: indylaw: He didn't really say that homosexuality isn't a sin. He essentially said the church should butt out on making it a crime, which I respect in a way. The church SHOULD mind its own farking business.

Yeah, but subby wouldn't have gotten the Green by being honest.

I agree. I just want religious leaders to do this more often. Otherwise, unlike fark, I am fine letting religious people do their thing as long as they don't try to interfere with my thing.

Are you implying a submitter would post something inflammatory and misleading just to get approved?!


Well, just a little bit...
 
2023-01-28 10:24:02 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: red230: Years ago I used to say how farked are you on a scale of the Pope to Jenna Jameson. That saying isn't relevant anymore and needs a new baseline.

You need to update your porn star reference.


Yeah but pr0n has gotten so splintered it doesn't have one notable star to point too.  Jesse Jane maybe or even Brandi Love but...not on Jenna's level of notoriety.

/besides Dyanna Lauren was better.
 
2023-01-28 10:25:55 PM  

Massa Damnata: Mikey1969: Massa Damnata: Who was asking him?

RTFA, asshole. I'm not here to read it for your lazy ass.

I'm guessing that you literally read with your ass. Which, while is impressive, means your ideas stink.


Why? It's right there in the article. So you obviously are having trouble simple concepts. Can you find a 7 year old to explain this to you? It would save everyone a WHOLE farking bunch of time.

Once you find a 7 year old, start your post with the phrase "dancing potato pants", and I'll know that you're ready to actually discuss shiat.
 
2023-01-28 10:38:05 PM  

Martian_Astronomer: On Tuesday, he said that homosexuality "should not be a crime," as in, carry criminal penalties.

What he said yesterday was that even if you don't go to jail for it, God will still burn you for it if you don't admit that it is wrong and commit yourself to avoiding it, (aka "repentence.")

The two statements are not intrinsically contradictory, but maybe people should be just a bit more aware of the weasel wording and important omissions the pope uses when the he says things like "we shouldn't prosecute people for being gay." He's pulled this sort of thing quite a few times now.


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Just like shellfish. You shouldn't go to jail for eating at Red Lobster, but you will boil in hot butter for eternity in Hell.
 
2023-01-28 10:39:40 PM  

snowjack: Still most of the passages come from Paul. Not Jesus himself, mind you -- just some guy who knew Jesus,


Point of order: Paul claimed to have met a magical person who claimed to be the resurrected Christ on the road to Damascus. There is no other record of Saul of Tarsus / Paul actually being an apostle during Christ's ministry or even that the two ever met while Christ was alive.

Also the pope can go suck-start an incense censer.
 
2023-01-28 10:40:22 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: Massa Damnata: Mikey1969: Massa Damnata: Who was asking him?

RTFA, asshole. I'm not here to read it for your lazy ass.

I'm guessing that you literally read with your ass. Which, while is impressive, means your ideas stink.

That's nothing. I can deal cards with my butt cheeks.


That implies you have an ace in the hole.
 
2023-01-28 10:42:46 PM  

Martian_Astronomer: bingethinker: The "gheys are bad, mkay?" thing comes from a bad translation of one passage of the Bible. Get a life, old man.

Unfortunately, this is not true.

There are a couple of words in lists of sins in Paul's epistles that have disputed/ambigious meanings, but those words do not occur in Romans 1, which contains probably the biggest condemnation of homosexuality in the New Testament.


And yet nowhere in the "recorded words" of Jesus Christ is there any condemnation of homosexuality. How odd...
 
2023-01-28 10:44:52 PM  
That's nice and all that the pope thinks LGBT should be decriminalized, but pretty much the only place on the planet it actually is would be the Middle East.

And I don't think they care what the catholic pope says about it
 
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