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(Guardian)   Not news: Losing jewelry down the swimming pool drain. Still not news: Got it back. News: After 2000 years   (theguardian.com) divider line
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2023-01-28 9:59:12 AM  
No mention of ass pennies denarii
 
2023-01-28 10:03:01 AM  
Please return to Sauron. Reward!
 
2023-01-28 11:14:10 AM  
A new twist on treasure hunting.
 
2023-01-28 2:39:31 PM  
Any way to track down the descendants and return them?  Or can I just claim them as belonging to my 20x great-grandmother?
 
2023-01-28 2:40:57 PM  

bluorangefyre: Any way to track down the descendants and return them?  Or can I just claim them as belonging to my 20x great-grandmother?


The Romans went home
 
2023-01-28 2:41:31 PM  
How about pasting the article for those of us who hate paywalls?
 
2023-01-28 2:50:24 PM  

Olthoi: How about pasting the article for those of us who hate paywalls?


Taking your valuables with you into a swimming pool is always a risk. The Romans should have paid better heed, judging from the quantity of gemstones recovered from the drain of one of their bathhouses.
As many as 30 semi-precious stones have been discovered by archaeologists almost 2,000 years after their owners lost them at a site in modern-day Carlisle, just behind Hadrian's Wall.
The stones had dropped out of their ring settings, their glue probably weakened in the steamy baths. They were simply flushed into the drains when the pools and saunas were cleaned.
Their loss would have been painful as these were engraved gems, known as intaglios. Although barely a few millimetres in diameter, they bear images whose extraordinary craftsmanship suggests they would have been expensive items in their day - the late 2nd century or 3rd century.
One bather lost an amethyst depicting Venus, holding either a flower or a mirror. Another lost a red-brown jasper featuring a satyr seated on rocks next to a sacred column.
Frank Giecco, an expert on Roman Britain who is leading the bathhouse excavation, was astonished by the collection: "It's incredible," he said. "It's caught everyone's imagination. They were just falling out of people's rings who were using the baths. They were set with a vegetable glue and, in the hot and sweaty bathhouse, they fell out of the ring settings."
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The Roman baths in Bath, where 'curse tablets' have been found. Photograph: Steve O'Prey/Alamy

He can imagine the Romans cursing after realising their loss. "They may not even have noticed until they got home because it's the actual stone falling out of the rings - although we've also found one ring with a setting."
Professor Martin Henig, an expert on Roman art at the University of Oxford, said: "Metal expands. If the stone is not properly secured, it can fall out, as it can today with people bathing. I imagine that the gems recovered from the drain were accumulated over time, and we must remember that a lot of people used those baths."
Intaglios have previously been recovered from drains at York and at Caerleon near Newport. The Romans faced the dilemma we still face today of either losing their valuables in the water or to a sneak thief while they were bathing. This is reflected in several "curse tablets" found in Bath and elsewhere, which wished revenge on the perpetrators of such crimes.
One of those curses targets a ring thief: "So long as someone, whether slave or free, keeps silent or knows anything about it, he may be accursed in blood, and eyes and every limb and even have all intestines quite eaten away if he has stolen the ring."
Henig said: "The difficulty is that you needed to take your ring off, but there were dangers. Where did you leave it? People must have been very upset when they lost a ring or the gem set in its bezel."
The bathhouse was adjacent to the most important Roman fort on Hadrian's Wall, the empire's northern frontier, which held an elite cavalry unit and had links to the imperial court. Excavations will continue next year, but the evidence recovered so far - including imperial-stamped tiles - suggests that the bathhouse complex was monumental and opulent.
Giecco said: "You don't find such gems on low-status Roman sites. So they're not something that would have been worn by the poor."
Beyond their decorative purposes, as rings worn by men and women, there was a symbolism within their imagery. The newly discovered intaglios include military themes, such as the god Mars holding a spear, and fertility, notably a charming image of a mouse nibbling a branch - Romans saw mice as symbols of rebirth or fertility.
Giecco said: "Some of the intaglios are minuscule, around 5mm ; 16mm is the largest intaglio. The craftsmanship to engrave such tiny things is incredible."
The drain discoveries also include more than 40 women's hairpins and 35 glass beads, probably from a necklace.


Also - incognito mode is your friend.
 
2023-01-28 2:50:32 PM  

Olthoi: How about pasting the article for those of us who hate paywalls?


The Guardian doesn't have a paywall. You can read their ethical statement about why they make their stories free but ask for money at the bottom of every page.

A pop-up message asking for money, which you can close with a single click and without payment, is not a paywall.
 
2023-01-28 2:52:18 PM  
Pfff. Yea, right. Who remembers what they lost 2000 years ago?!?

Fake.
 
2023-01-28 3:07:55 PM  

Mr. Tweedy: Olthoi: How about pasting the article for those of us who hate paywalls?

Taking your valuables with you into a swimming pool is always a risk. The Romans should have paid better heed, judging from the quantity of gemstones recovered from the drain of one of their bathhouses.
As many as 30 semi-precious stones have been discovered by archaeologists almost 2,000 years after their owners lost them at a site in modern-day Carlisle, just behind Hadrian's Wall.
The stones had dropped out of their ring settings, their glue probably weakened in the steamy baths. They were simply flushed into the drains when the pools and saunas were cleaned.
Their loss would have been painful as these were engraved gems, known as intaglios. Although barely a few millimetres in diameter, they bear images whose extraordinary craftsmanship suggests they would have been expensive items in their day - the late 2nd century or 3rd century.
One bather lost an amethyst depicting Venus, holding either a flower or a mirror. Another lost a red-brown jasper featuring a satyr seated on rocks next to a sacred column.
Frank Giecco, an expert on Roman Britain who is leading the bathhouse excavation, was astonished by the collection: "It's incredible," he said. "It's caught everyone's imagination. They were just falling out of people's rings who were using the baths. They were set with a vegetable glue and, in the hot and sweaty bathhouse, they fell out of the ring settings."
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The Roman baths in Bath, where 'curse tablets' have been found. Photograph: Steve O'Prey/Alamy

He can imagine the Romans cursing after realising their loss. "They may not even have noticed until they got home because it's the actual stone falling out of the rings - although we've also found one ring with a setting."
Professor Martin Henig, an expert on Roman art at the University of Oxford, said: "Metal expands. If the stone is not properly secured, it can fall out, as it can today with people bathing. I imagine that the gems recovered from the drain were accumulated over time, and we must remember that a lot of people used those baths."
Intaglios have previously been recovered from drains at York and at Caerleon near Newport. The Romans faced the dilemma we still face today of either losing their valuables in the water or to a sneak thief while they were bathing. This is reflected in several "curse tablets" found in Bath and elsewhere, which wished revenge on the perpetrators of such crimes.
One of those curses targets a ring thief: "So long as someone, whether slave or free, keeps silent or knows anything about it, he may be accursed in blood, and eyes and every limb and even have all intestines quite eaten away if he has stolen the ring."
Henig said: "The difficulty is that you needed to take your ring off, but there were dangers. Where did you leave it? People must have been very upset when they lost a ring or the gem set in its bezel."
The bathhouse was adjacent to the most important Roman fort on Hadrian's Wall, the empire's northern frontier, which held an elite cavalry unit and had links to the imperial court. Excavations will continue next year, but the evidence recovered so far - including imperial-stamped tiles - suggests that the bathhouse complex was monumental and opulent.
Giecco said: "You don't find such gems on low-status Roman sites. So they're not something that would have been worn by the poor."
Beyond their decorative purposes, as rings worn by men and women, there was a symbolism within their imagery. The newly discovered intaglios include military themes, such as the god Mars holding a spear, and fertility, notably a charming image of a mouse nibbling a branch - Romans saw mice as symbols of rebirth or fertility.
Giecco said: "Some of the intaglios are minuscule, around 5mm ; 16mm is the largest intaglio. The craftsmanship to engrave such tiny things is incredible."
The drain discoveries also include more than 40 women's hairpins and 35 glass beads, probably from a necklace.


Also - incognito mode is your friend.


Thanks
 
2023-01-28 3:13:17 PM  
Modern day CSB: I was a lifeguard at an indoor YMCA pool as a teen and got the short stick to clean out the filtration  system during the yearly draining and cleaning process. I was greeted with a treasure trove of hair bows, goggles, oleaginous substances, and various indescribable human dermal detritus clumps  but not a single valuable intaglio to be found. Really disappointing
 
2023-01-28 3:13:30 PM  
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my mom lost her class ring, around 1970 or so.  She grew up in this tiny, tiny town in Arizona.  The house she grew up in stayed in the family up until about 2015.  It had an exterior garden / terraced area for flowers.  The new owners took out the garden thingie, and as told to us, they saw a faint glimmer when shoveling out the dirt, found "a" ring.  It had initials in it and a graduation year.

they started asking old timers in the town, "do you know who lived here, surname started with an 'L'?"  "Oh yeah, that was to L house."  the new owners start poking around on FAcebook, and one day my mom gets a random message:  "hi, we bought the house on 123 Smith Street in Smalltown, AZ, is this possibly yours?"

it was of course.  for 45 years or so, this ring my mom had frankly, forgotten about (but remembered the disappointment at losing), was in the garden thingie, and was returned to us.  It is promised to my oldest.  I wear in on special occasions.  ha.
 
2023-01-28 3:28:05 PM  

rickythepenguin: [Fark user image 455x562]

my mom lost her class ring, around 1970 or so.  She grew up in this tiny, tiny town in Arizona.  The house she grew up in stayed in the family up until about 2015.  It had an exterior garden / terraced area for flowers.  The new owners took out the garden thingie, and as told to us, they saw a faint glimmer when shoveling out the dirt, found "a" ring.  It had initials in it and a graduation year.

they started asking old timers in the town, "do you know who lived here, surname started with an 'L'?"  "Oh yeah, that was to L house."  the new owners start poking around on FAcebook, and one day my mom gets a random message:  "hi, we bought the house on 123 Smith Street in Smalltown, AZ, is this possibly yours?"

it was of course.  for 45 years or so, this ring my mom had frankly, forgotten about (but remembered the disappointment at losing), was in the garden thingie, and was returned to us.  It is promised to my oldest.  I wear in on special occasions.  ha.


I would only wear it gardening, just to snub the gods.
 
2023-01-28 3:34:25 PM  
This is reflected in several "curse tablets" found in Bath and elsewhere, which wished revenge on the perpetrators of such crimes.

One of those curses targets a ring thief:


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2023-01-28 3:59:05 PM  
Pictures would have been good, maybe those went down a drain somewhere.
 
2023-01-28 4:10:30 PM  
The only thing worse is losing your Family Jewels down the drain at a Roman bath house.
 
2023-01-28 4:11:52 PM  

433: Pictures would have been good, maybe those went down a drain somewhere.


Ask and ye shall recieve. Somewhere between 5 an 15mm
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2023-01-28 4:36:07 PM  

bluorangefyre: Any way to track down the descendants and return them?


If they had children, we're all related to them.
 
2023-01-28 4:46:14 PM  
Don't you hate when that happens?

It's not the heat, it is the humidity in the Hot Room.
 
2023-01-28 4:51:14 PM  

Geordiebloke: 433: Pictures would have been good, maybe those went down a drain somewhere.

Ask and ye shall recieve. Somewhere between 5 an 15mm[Fark user image 425x255]


Notes on the three rings:

a) I don't even. The sculpor must have been Picasso.
b) A good ring. Conventional subject but good detailed carving.
c) Why does that man have giant torpedo tits and what is with the back tit? Or is it the demon Pazuzu? A souvenir of Eastern travel, perhaps?
 
2023-01-28 5:07:44 PM  
Now I don't feel that bad about that time we left a string of bargain basement anal beads draped over a shower rod at the Red Roof Inn.
 
2023-01-28 5:10:18 PM  

brantgoose: Notes on the three rings:

a) I don't even. The sculpor must have been Picasso.
b) A good ring. Conventional subject but good detailed carving.
c) Why does that man have giant torpedo tits and what is with the back tit? Or is it the demon Pazuzu? A souvenir of Eastern travel, perhaps?


With respect to c, you're probably right assuming an occasional rotation of Roman Legion/ auxilla postings.

The wall has been an archaeologists wet dream for many years... the scenery helps as well. I mean it was only in 1997 that there was any serious effort to excavate the Easternmost fort
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/yes I'm biased, (username and all that)
// would still be considered a barbarian by the Romans
 
2023-01-28 6:18:35 PM  

rickythepenguin: [Fark user image 455x562]

my mom lost her class ring, ... It is promised to my oldest.  I wear in on special occasions.  ha.


Really an uplifting story.

Also, you have very clean fingernails.
 
2023-01-28 6:42:54 PM  
I'm jut looking for that other sock...
 
2023-01-29 5:23:55 AM  
Tha is just so cool!
 
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