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Spartapuss
2023-01-28 11:54:56 AM  
But again, analysts and insiders expect The Way of Water to scuttle Titanic. And from the perspective of Cameron and his longtime producing partner Jon Landau, The Way of Water is a priority, since it is part of an ongoing franchise, with more movies in the works

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There's still time to make part three, James!
 
Summoner101
2023-01-28 11:56:31 AM  
In before the sarcastic remark that Fark ensured us Avatar 2 wouldn't do well.
 
Wookie Milson
2023-01-28 12:09:42 PM  
It's only a billion dollars from breaking even!
 
TDWCom29
2023-01-28 12:10:57 PM  
It really is amazing the streak this guy is on
 
iron_city_ap
2023-01-28 12:11:19 PM  
* not adjusted for inflation
 
Summoner101
2023-01-28 12:14:09 PM  

iron_city_ap: * not adjusted for inflation


https://www.boxofficemojo.com/chart/top_lifetime_gross_adjusted/?adjust_gross_to=2022
 
George Santos' taint
2023-01-28 12:22:51 PM  
This is going to result in Cameron becoming even more insufferable.
 
drewogatory
2023-01-28 12:23:28 PM  

Summoner101: iron_city_ap: * not adjusted for inflation

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/chart/top_lifetime_gross_adjusted/?adjust_gross_to=2022


It does seem silly to measure popularity by total $$$, when admission costs vary so much. Total tickets sold seems better to me, but I also think a bunch of movies on that list just aren't very good no matter how you measure it.
 
Summoner101
2023-01-28 12:32:25 PM  

drewogatory: Summoner101: iron_city_ap: * not adjusted for inflation

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/chart/top_lifetime_gross_adjusted/?adjust_gross_to=2022

It does seem silly to measure popularity by total $$$, when admission costs vary so much. Total tickets sold seems better to me, but I also think a bunch of movies on that list just aren't very good no matter how you measure it.


There's also the generational issue where movie theaters were widely more successful prior to the introduction of the television due to lack of competition.  There's a reason Gone With The Wind is so far beyond every other movie despite being released in 1939.
 
SuperSeriousMan
2023-01-28 12:32:37 PM  
But I was assured on Fark that Avatar wouldn't...

Summoner101: In before the sarcastic remark that Fark ensured us Avatar 2 wouldn't do well.


Damn it!
 
bostonguy [TotalFark]
2023-01-28 12:34:56 PM  
Compare the net profit margins, not revenues.
 
Man On A Mission [TotalFark]
2023-01-28 12:37:45 PM  

Summoner101: drewogatory: Summoner101: iron_city_ap: * not adjusted for inflation

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/chart/top_lifetime_gross_adjusted/?adjust_gross_to=2022

It does seem silly to measure popularity by total $$$, when admission costs vary so much. Total tickets sold seems better to me, but I also think a bunch of movies on that list just aren't very good no matter how you measure it.

There's also the generational issue where movie theaters were widely more successful prior to the introduction of the television due to lack of competition.  There's a reason Gone With The Wind is so far beyond every other movie despite being released in 1939.


And global box office is just one part of the revenue stream. One has to also account for secondary distribution through VHS/DVD/Blue-Ray/Streaming (depending on era of film release), even TV airing rights, and not to forget about merchandising, product licensing, and even such things are theme park rides and such.

Hate him all you want as a human being and filmmaker, the fact is that Cameron has made a bunch of investors a shiat-ton of money and employed literally thousands of professionals through his film productions, along with continually pushing the absolute boundaries of movie-making technology.
 
Trocadero
2023-01-28 12:38:42 PM  

Man On A Mission: Summoner101: drewogatory: Summoner101: iron_city_ap: * not adjusted for inflation

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/chart/top_lifetime_gross_adjusted/?adjust_gross_to=2022

It does seem silly to measure popularity by total $$$, when admission costs vary so much. Total tickets sold seems better to me, but I also think a bunch of movies on that list just aren't very good no matter how you measure it.

There's also the generational issue where movie theaters were widely more successful prior to the introduction of the television due to lack of competition.  There's a reason Gone With The Wind is so far beyond every other movie despite being released in 1939.

And global box office is just one part of the revenue stream. One has to also account for secondary distribution through VHS/DVD/Blue-Ray/Streaming (depending on era of film release), even TV airing rights, and not to forget about merchandising, product licensing, and even such things are theme park rides and such.

Hate him all you want as a human being and filmmaker, the fact is that Cameron has made a bunch of investors a shiat-ton of money and employed literally thousands of professionals through his film productions, along with continually pushing the absolute boundaries of movie-making technology.


But none of them writers.
/zing!
 
JerseyTim [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-28 12:39:11 PM  
Never bet against Box Office Jim.
 
Summoner101
2023-01-28 12:45:54 PM  

Man On A Mission: Hate him all you want as a human being and filmmaker, the fact is that Cameron has made a bunch of investors a shiat-ton of money and employed literally thousands of professionals through his film productions, along with continually pushing the absolute boundaries of movie-making technology.


We're not accusing him of being bad for business.  We're also not accusing him of being a good story teller.
 
Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste
2023-01-28 12:47:19 PM  
Can we look at ticket sales instead? The BO numbers are cool and good job, but they're basically worthless. GWTW is still the ticket wonder, isn't it?
 
pehvbot [TotalFark]
2023-01-28 12:51:09 PM  

drewogatory: Summoner101: iron_city_ap: * not adjusted for inflation

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/chart/top_lifetime_gross_adjusted/?adjust_gross_to=2022

It does seem silly to measure popularity by total $$$, when admission costs vary so much. Total tickets sold seems better to me, but I also think a bunch of movies on that list just aren't very good no matter how you measure it.


The estimated tickets sold match pretty well with adjusted dollars, at least according to this site.  It shifts things a bit lower down but not by much.

These look like domestic number though, which will favor earlier films by a lot.
 
Confabulat [recently expired TotalFark]
2023-01-28 12:53:09 PM  
Sounds like some of you are determined to find ways to claim Avatar 2 isn't a giant huge monstrous success.

I know YOU'D never go see it, of course.
 
Mugato [TotalFark]
2023-01-28 12:53:22 PM  
Not having any competition helps.
 
gonegirl
2023-01-28 12:54:06 PM  
The only preview I saw made it look so freakin' boring that I had no temptation to see it. Is this one of those things where everyone is going to see it because everyone is going to see it, or is this just one of those things where I don't get it because I'm the kind of person who spends my movie money on campy trash like M3GAN?
 
Confabulat [recently expired TotalFark]
2023-01-28 12:55:30 PM  

gonegirl: The only preview I saw made it look so freakin' boring that I had no temptation to see it. Is this one of those things where everyone is going to see it because everyone is going to see it, or is this just one of those things where I don't get it because I'm the kind of person who spends my movie money on campy trash like M3GAN?


In Imax 3D it's like nothing I've ever seen in a movie before. That's the appeal. It's not the story or any of the lore, it's that it's like going to Disney World without going to Disney World.

This seems to confuse some people.
 
UNC_Samurai
2023-01-28 12:56:17 PM  

Summoner101: drewogatory: Summoner101: iron_city_ap: * not adjusted for inflation

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/chart/top_lifetime_gross_adjusted/?adjust_gross_to=2022

It does seem silly to measure popularity by total $$$, when admission costs vary so much. Total tickets sold seems better to me, but I also think a bunch of movies on that list just aren't very good no matter how you measure it.

There's also the generational issue where movie theaters were widely more successful prior to the introduction of the television due to lack of competition.  There's a reason Gone With The Wind is so far beyond every other movie despite being released in 1939.


And GWTW's first run lasted almost four years, plus eight subsequent re-releases between 1947 and 1998.
 
Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu
2023-01-28 1:14:26 PM  

Confabulat: In Imax 3D it's like nothing I've ever seen in a movie before. That's the appeal. It's not the story or any of the lore, it's that it's like going to Disney World without going to Disney World.

This seems to confuse some people.


I'm glad you enjoyed it, but I seriously don't get this level of hype for the visuals.  You're correct in that IMAX is the best viewing experience, and it does look amazing.  But the novelty wears off considering you're sitting there for 3 hours.

The comparison to a theme park thrill ride just seems extremely hyperbolic to me.
 
drewogatory
2023-01-28 1:14:34 PM  

Confabulat: Sounds like some of you are determined to find ways to claim Avatar 2 isn't a giant huge monstrous success.

I know YOU'D never go see it, of course.


I mean, I wouldn't. Why would I? I'm not the slightest bit interested in digital "filmmaking" ,cgi effects, animation or children's movies.  Wouldn't pay to see anything from Marvel or Star Wars either. Not a knock on those who enjoy that stuff, but it's not for me.
 
gonegirl
2023-01-28 1:15:21 PM  

Confabulat: gonegirl: The only preview I saw made it look so freakin' boring that I had no temptation to see it. Is this one of those things where everyone is going to see it because everyone is going to see it, or is this just one of those things where I don't get it because I'm the kind of person who spends my movie money on campy trash like M3GAN?

In Imax 3D it's like nothing I've ever seen in a movie before. That's the appeal. It's not the story or any of the lore, it's that it's like going to Disney World without going to Disney World.

This seems to confuse some people.


Oh, okay. Basically the only theaters I go to any more are Alamo Drafthouse, so that aspect genuinely didn't occur to me.
 
EdgeRunner [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-28 1:18:33 PM  

Confabulat: Sounds like some of you are determined to find ways to claim Avatar 2 isn't a giant huge monstrous success.

I know YOU'D never go see it, of course.


Farker: "Avatar 2 is doing amazing business."

Random person: "Well, that's nice for them."

Farker: "Some people said it wouldn't do well! They even claimed it would bomb! But I said it would be huge and guess what? I was right! I was so, so right!"

Random person: "Well, that's... That's nice for you."

Farker: "I bet you totally want to have sex with me now!"

Random person: "Hey look at the time gotta go bye!"

*hurries away*

Farker: "Third one today. My incredible desirability is too much for others to handle."
 
drewogatory
2023-01-28 1:27:44 PM  

gonegirl: Confabulat: gonegirl: The only preview I saw made it look so freakin' boring that I had no temptation to see it. Is this one of those things where everyone is going to see it because everyone is going to see it, or is this just one of those things where I don't get it because I'm the kind of person who spends my movie money on campy trash like M3GAN?

In Imax 3D it's like nothing I've ever seen in a movie before. That's the appeal. It's not the story or any of the lore, it's that it's like going to Disney World without going to Disney World.

This seems to confuse some people.

Oh, okay. Basically the only theaters I go to any more are Alamo Drafthouse, so that aspect genuinely didn't occur to me.


It also doesn't sound like something I'd want to do. 3 hours? I'd rather get stoned and go to the aquarium honestly.
 
jlee4677 [TotalFark]
2023-01-28 1:29:03 PM  
I hate it when people are successful, only people I like should be successful. If something I don't like is successful I will spend all my energy biatching and moaning about it.
 
drewogatory
2023-01-28 1:31:59 PM  

jlee4677: I hate it when people are successful, only people I like should be successful. If something I don't like is successful I will spend all my energy biatching and moaning about it.


We didn't start the thread, but we're happy to comment. How much energy does it take you to click on one thread instead of another anyway?
 
wildcardjack
2023-01-28 1:33:35 PM  
I want to know why tickets cost the same for a 90 minute movie as a 180 minute movie. If a theater makes a significant portion of their profits from concessions, then you're selling half as much. If they'd just make a convenient point to place an intermission, people could drain the lizard, buy more snakes. Sports have this down pat, the clock might only run an hour, but there's gaps between quarters and thirds to sneak off and do things.
 
solcofn [BareFark]
2023-01-28 1:50:38 PM  

bostonguy: Compare the net profit margins, not revenues.


https://www.cnbc.com/2010/09/10/The-15-Most-Profitable-Movies-of-All-Time.html
 
mofa [TotalFark]
2023-01-28 2:05:58 PM  

Confabulat: Sounds like some of you are determined to find ways to claim Avatar 2 isn't a giant huge monstrous success.

I know YOU'D never go see it, of course.


Sounds reminiscent of Stephen Dorff railing against Disney for making a string of successful yet bland movies while completely excusing himself for being in so many unsuccessful and bland movies (after the one good movie he was in 24 years ago).

https://variety.com/2023/film/news/stephen-dorff-marvel-garbage-mcu-blade-wesley-snipes-1235503432/
 
Hendawg
2023-01-28 2:07:47 PM  

wildcardjack: I want to know why tickets cost the same for a 90 minute movie as a 180 minute movie. If a theater makes a significant portion of their profits from concessions, then you're selling half as much. If they'd just make a convenient point to place an intermission, people could drain the lizard, buy more snakes. Sports have this down pat, the clock might only run an hour, but there's gaps between quarters and thirds to sneak off and do things.


I want to go to the theater that let's me buy snakes.  I think that would make gor a fun experience
 
frestcrallen [TotalFark]
2023-01-28 2:22:18 PM  
I saw Avatar 2 and enjoyed it, but strangely I can't remember anything else about the experience.

There was lots of blue, I do recall that.
 
Flaccidor
2023-01-28 2:27:16 PM  
I was an outspoken skeptic and ended up seeing it. Pretty good overall, imo: very good performances, good dialogue, and undeniably well done eye candy CGI throughout, a decent story...

That said, I still find myself kind of baffled by its overwhelming success. It's definitely a good movie, but sci-fi success at this level normally comes with a number of trappings that combine to propel a film or franchise into the stratosphere: massive and passionate fanbases that exist as global fan communities with their own internal culture, events, and lore (in some cases their own languages!) and who pay to see it again and again; hordes of children and teens/preteens who live and die with the stories and characters and beg their parents to buy every branded toy, lunchbox, ball cap, and thermos in sight (and who also see the movie multiple times); successful lines of toys, accessories, and collectibles for children and discerning adult "enthusiasts" alike; dialogue, characters, and story arcs that become pop-cultural touchstones in and of themselves, that omnipresent media "buzz" that you just can't seem to ignore or get away from...

These things typically drive, support and reinforce the massive success of the other sci-fi behemoths, but not here - at not remotely at the same level, as far as I can tell...

Yet it's still absurdly successful.

Interesting...
 
Bslim
2023-01-28 2:42:20 PM  
Soooo a supposed "movie" that's only hyped because it's an "expeeeeeeeerience" with zero story

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Ishkur [OhFark]
2023-01-28 2:55:20 PM  

frestcrallen: I saw Avatar 2 and enjoyed it, but strangely I can't remember anything else about the experience.

There was lots of blue, I do recall that.


It's a James Cameron movie.

Blue is his forte.
 
austerity101
2023-01-28 2:58:20 PM  

jlee4677: I hate it when people are successful, only people I like should be successful. If something I don't like is successful I will spend all my energy biatching and moaning about it.


Exactly. Like Alex Jones.
 
NuclearPenguins [TotalFark]
2023-01-28 3:35:17 PM  

Bslim: Soooo a supposed "movie" that's only hyped because it's an "expeeeeeeeerience" with zero story

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There it is. lol.
 
Wobambo
2023-01-28 3:35:50 PM  

frestcrallen: I saw Avatar 2 and enjoyed it, but strangely I can't remember anything else about the experience.

There was lots of blue, I do recall that.


Exactly! There's a meme going around that compares Avatar to Puss-in-Boots reviews. People will remember Puss-in-Boots for various things. People will remember Avatar because of how much money. It's just a weird cultural oddity I don't get that's even weirder than the last cultural oddity I don't get. Also, Puss-in-Boots has Antonio Banderas who has charisma pheromones and charm out the well... you know.

/plenty want to ride Antonio Banderas like a carnival pony
//none want to ride James Cameron like a carnival pony
 
Polish Hussar [TotalFark]
2023-01-28 3:37:56 PM  

Spartapuss: But again, analysts and insiders expect The Way of Water to scuttle Titanic. And from the perspective of Cameron and his longtime producing partner Jon Landau, The Way of Water is a priority, since it is part of an ongoing franchise, with more movies in the works

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There's still time to make part three, James!


I have the perfect idea for it:

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Spartapuss
2023-01-28 3:42:36 PM  

Wobambo: frestcrallen: I saw Avatar 2 and enjoyed it, but strangely I can't remember anything else about the experience.

There was lots of blue, I do recall that.

Exactly! There's a meme going around that compares Avatar to Puss-in-Boots reviews. People will remember Puss-in-Boots for various things. People will remember Avatar because of how much money. It's just a weird cultural oddity I don't get that's even weirder than the last cultural oddity I don't get. Also, Puss-in-Boots has Antonio Banderas who has charisma pheromones and charm out the well... you know.

/plenty want to ride Antonio Banderas like a carnival pony
//none want to ride James Cameron like a carnival pony


I'd mount Zoe like a carnival pony. Hell, probably Sigourney too.

SigourneyponySigourneyponySigoneyponySigourneyporneySigourneypony
 
Arxane
2023-01-28 3:46:41 PM  
I watched the first Avatar movie in theaters years ago, and enjoyed it fine enough, but never had any desire to see it again. That movie was designed solely for the then-novel spectacle of the latest incarnation of 3D, and its story did not engage me as well as the visuals did.

I have so far had zero interest in seeing the second film, because every review I've seen basically confirms that it's a clone of the first movie, putting spectacle above character and story. There's nothing wrong with that, and congrats to Cameron for using his hype skills to convince the world into seeing this movie. But I have serious doubts that anyone will care about this movie in later years. The number of people who'll watch this movie frequently or cite it as their favorite film will be small, and will get smaller as time goes on. But again, there's nothing wrong with a popcorn movie. The history of film is littered with huge titles that were absurdly popular for their time but are now completely forgotten (how many people remember the Andy Hardy movies, for example?). The Avatar films will just be added to the list, including the upcoming ones.

I am genuinely curious to see how the third movie will perform, given that it'll come out relatively soon after the second compared to the second coming several years after the first. Will people still be excited for this franchise, or will the novelty wear off?
 
wouldestous
2023-01-28 3:58:08 PM  
this thread is...
like this time when i was in line at the grocery store with a six pack of guinness in bottles and the guy behind me looked at them and said 'the bottles suck'. hes not necessarily wrong but i did not ask. (he was holding either a twelve pack or a case of miller lite, btw).
so remember that people who feel compelled to shiat on what you like are probably holding the metaphorical equivalent of a case of miller lite while they impose their opinion.
 
trialpha
2023-01-28 4:00:11 PM  
Are we going to see another wave of TV makers trying to shove worthless 3D technology down the uncaring public's throats again?
 
drewogatory
2023-01-28 4:00:34 PM  

wouldestous: this thread is...
like this time when i was in line at the grocery store with a six pack of guinness in bottles and the guy behind me looked at them and said 'the bottles suck'. hes not necessarily wrong but i did not ask. (he was holding either a twelve pack or a case of miller lite, btw).
so remember that people who feel compelled to shiat on what you like are probably holding the metaphorical equivalent of a case of miller lite while they impose their opinion.


The bottles DO suck. He was just telling you to put that shiat back and buy the cans! Dude was doing you a solid.
 
stoli n coke
2023-01-28 4:07:58 PM  

bostonguy: Compare the net profit margins, not revenues.


Translation: Somebody please prove this was a bomb! We need an "ackshually" to show that we're right for not liking the popular thing!"
 
wouldestous
2023-01-28 4:08:30 PM  

drewogatory: wouldestous: this thread is...
like this time when i was in line at the grocery store with a six pack of guinness in bottles and the guy behind me looked at them and said 'the bottles suck'. hes not necessarily wrong but i did not ask. (he was holding either a twelve pack or a case of miller lite, btw).
...

The bottles DO suck. He was just telling you to put that shiat back and buy the cans! Dude was doing you a solid.


yes, i realize the bottles are not as good as the cans. and neither are as good as draft. but thats not the farking point.

the point is that asshole had the unmitigated audacity to comment on what i was buying when he was buying *miller lite*.
 
stoli n coke
2023-01-28 4:11:42 PM  

Summoner101: iron_city_ap: * not adjusted for inflation

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/chart/top_lifetime_gross_adjusted/?adjust_gross_to=2022


And of the top ten as far as tickets sold, 8 of them had at least 3 theatrical rereleases. Pre-home video, rereleases were common.

FFS, people were going to see Gone With the Wind in theaters in the 70s.
 
bostonguy [TotalFark]
2023-01-28 4:17:41 PM  

solcofn: bostonguy: Compare the net profit margins, not revenues.

https://www.cnbc.com/2010/09/10/The-15-Most-Profitable-Movies-of-All-Time.html


"My Big Fat Greek Wedding is the most profitable film of all time."

Hmm. Not sure what that says about humanity or the entertainment industry.

Actually, I'm surprised that The Blair Witch Project was not on that list in terms of the profit margins.
 
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