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hubiestubert [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-28 7:44:32 AM  
You can't seem to grasp that they have been paying attention.

Those Chechen mercs that were supposed to rape and pillage and terrorize the population? Most dead, and the rest fled the country and refuse to fight for you. 2/3rds of your original fighting force are casualties. Your tank forces are woefully stretched, and you're running out of ammunition. Belarus and the others have better things to do than throw citizens lives away in a poorly thought out attempt to mug your neighbors, and they have also kind of paid attention to the fact that you're an expansionist nation who just might decide that an ally is food for the mill once troops start moving through the country.

What have y'all done for them that they should die for your hubris and greed?
 
qorkfiend [TotalFark]
2023-01-28 8:50:47 AM  
Why in the name of god would anyone want to stick their dick in that hornet's nest?
 
raz4446
2023-01-28 8:52:59 AM  
haha die mad you bastad
 
DarkSoulNoHope
2023-01-28 8:55:08 AM  
"Just do it." Isn't a reason Puti Pute. But your so-called allies know you'll lie and betray them. This isn't Civilization VI where they forget why they hated you after a few bribes!
 
houstondragon
2023-01-28 8:56:34 AM  

hubiestubert: You can't seem to grasp that they have been paying attention.

Those Chechen mercs that were supposed to rape and pillage and terrorize the population? Most dead, and the rest fled the country and refuse to fight for you. 2/3rds of your original fighting force are casualties. Your tank forces are woefully stretched, and you're running out of ammunition. Belarus and the others have better things to do than throw citizens lives away in a poorly thought out attempt to mug your neighbors, and they have also kind of paid attention to the fact that you're an expansionist nation who just might decide that an ally is food for the mill once troops start moving through the country.

What have y'all done for them that they should die for your hubris and greed?


Considering the conditions of their mechanized "fighting" force, I'm also seriously questioning if they even maintained their nukes.

Putin is clearly batshiat crazy flailing around and still dangerous
 
Archie Goodwin
2023-01-28 9:00:26 AM  
Best Korea

Didn't they promise 100,000 troops to the front line? Whatever happened to that?
 
tembaarmswide
2023-01-28 9:05:19 AM  

qorkfiend: Why in the name of god would anyone want to stick their dick in that hornet's nest?


don't kink shame?

/Lukashenko knows a coup removes him from power if his military leaves Minsk.
//after your propagandists threaten to "cleanse" Kazakhstan after Ukraine, Kazakhs aren't interested in helping you
\|/
 
harleyquinnical [TotalFark]
2023-01-28 9:05:29 AM  

Archie Goodwin: Best Korea

Didn't they promise 100,000 troops to the front line? Whatever happened to that?


Maybe they tried to take the Trans-Siberian Express and something "happened" between Pyongyang and Valdivostok
 
Nana's Vibrator
2023-01-28 9:07:03 AM  
One life for thousands.  Thousands dead for one.
 
heavymetal
2023-01-28 9:07:46 AM  
FTFA: "Armenia

Once dependent on Russia for its security due to being geographically sandwiched in between hostile nations and isolated from the west, Yerevan's relations with Moscow hit an all-time low. Ever since the Velvet Revolution that replaced the pro-Russian ruling parties with a more western friendly one, the Kremlin has barely lifted a finger when Armenia needed it the most.

The past three years have seen a heavily Turkish-backed Azerbaijan in a near everlasting conflict with Armenia. Even when the country activated CTSO articles, Russia has not responded. This has caused the country to gradually look elsewhere with calls and protests to expel Russian forces from the nation for an EU-led multinational peacekeeping one."

I can see why other countries are not taking Putin up on his alliance suggestion. Russian military alliances have a history of being one-sided. This also reminds me of the ass-backwardness of the new general in charge of Russian forces trying to instill basic discipline of shaving, haircuts, and uniforms in the middle of a war. The time to build military alliances is before any conflict, not while you are getting your butts handed to you in an ill advised invasion; exposing your military as one not worth aligning with.
 
NobleHam
2023-01-28 9:08:01 AM  
Your blog sucks.

No, seriously, that is a terrible website, why would anyone link to it?
 
PunGent
2023-01-28 9:13:08 AM  
Ally1:  "New phone, who is this?"

Ally2:  "Uh, driving into a tunnel...ksshh...zzkshts...losing you..."

Ally3:  "Pay us.  In dollars.  Up front."
 
vudukungfu [TotalFark]
2023-01-28 9:14:59 AM  
He's going to end up dangling
 
Comic Book Guy [BareFark]
2023-01-28 9:16:21 AM  

hubiestubert: You can't seem to grasp that they have been paying attention.

Those Chechen mercs that were supposed to rape and pillage and terrorize the population? Most dead, and the rest fled the country and refuse to fight for you. 2/3rds of your original fighting force are casualties. Your tank forces are woefully stretched, and you're running out of ammunition. Belarus and the others have better things to do than throw citizens lives away in a poorly thought out attempt to mug your neighbors, and they have also kind of paid attention to the fact that you're an expansionist nation who just might decide that an ally is food for the mill once troops start moving through the country.

What have y'all done for them that they should die for your hubris and greed?


All that, plus Armenia pulled the curtain back on CSTO when they got into a tussle with the Azerbaijanis.  Collective security treaties only mean something when the signatories commit troops when called upon, and the Armenians only got a busy signal.
 
Comic Book Guy [BareFark]
2023-01-28 9:17:17 AM  

Nana's Vibrator: One life for thousands.  Thousands dead for one.


A hundred thousand dead for one.  So far.
 
RasIanI
2023-01-28 9:18:18 AM  
Russia has trade partners and clients - it doesn't have allies.
 
Befuddled
2023-01-28 9:23:33 AM  
It's because even if Putin wins in Ukraine, the economic sanctions against Russia will stay in place. Russia's allies are less able to endure sanctions so are far less eager to be sanctioned, especially for a war that does not benefit them.
 
macadamnut
2023-01-28 9:25:09 AM  

harleyquinnical: Archie Goodwin: Best Korea

Didn't they promise 100,000 troops to the front line? Whatever happened to that?

Maybe they tried to take the Trans-Siberian Express and something "happened" between Pyongyang and Valdivostok


They're on foot.  Be there in about two weeks.
 
hubiestubert [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-28 9:28:36 AM  

RasIanI: Russia has trade partners and clients - it doesn't have allies.


And Belarus has got to be more than a little nervous about the idea of Russia planting troops in the country as a 'staging area' at this point, considering that they're watching what happens to a country that Russia wants to take over.  None of their 'allies' are exactly in a great position, since most of them aren't as prepared as Ukraine was to defend themselves, and most of them are likely wondering when Russia will notice that there's easier pickings.
 
tembaarmswide
2023-01-28 9:28:41 AM  

vudukungfu: He's going to end up dangling


Not sure how global society would respond to it but, i'd prefer someone just Hoffa him.  Just one day on state TV : "we cannot locate Vladimir Vladomirovitch!"
 
LovesToSpooge
2023-01-28 9:29:36 AM  

Befuddled: It's because even if Putin wins in Ukraine, the economic sanctions against Russia will stay in place. Russia's allies are less able to endure sanctions so are far less eager to be sanctioned, especially for a war that does not benefit them.


The war doesn't benefit them? Putin promised a positive Facebook review. That's better than money!
 
palelizard
2023-01-28 9:33:14 AM  

macadamnut: harleyquinnical: Archie Goodwin: Best Korea

Didn't they promise 100,000 troops to the front line? Whatever happened to that?

Maybe they tried to take the Trans-Siberian Express and something "happened" between Pyongyang and Valdivostok

They're on foot.  Be there in about two weeks.


They have to finish watching the training video of Dear Leader playing a perfect round of golf first.
 
Sin'sHero [TotalFark]
2023-01-28 9:34:04 AM  

tembaarmswide: vudukungfu: He's going to end up dangling

Not sure how global society would respond to it but, i'd prefer someone just Hoffa him.  Just one day on state TV : "we cannot locate Vladimir Vladomirovitch!"


This is how the owner of a cement shoe factory becomes the next President of Russia.
 
PunGent
2023-01-28 9:36:18 AM  

RasIanI: Russia has trade partners and clients - it doesn't have allies.


And their "trade partners" are more like discount shoppers at a bankruptcy sale..."oil for a third of market rate?  don't mind if I do..."
 
BitwiseShift
2023-01-28 9:45:37 AM  
When you have eye witness accounts of interviewing "Russian" soldiers and finding way more than half speak little Russian, and are from  the Silk Road end of the former Soviet union, you get the impression that Russia's war on Ukraine is engineering Putin's "enemies" killing each other.

Dark Brandon will reveal his take on this as we see a fight to the death between red states, each week, premiering in March.
 
lilbjorn
2023-01-28 9:53:52 AM  
Putin, always playing the long game.  "Hey allies. Send all your best troops to Ukraine as cannon fodder.  Then nobody left to defend your country when it's your turn in the barrel."
 
natazha [BareFark]
2023-01-28 10:08:51 AM  

houstondragon: I'm also seriously questioning if they even maintained their nukes.


Considering Putin's kleptocrats have been running things for over 20 years, I would be astonished if most of the nukes even still had their fissile materials in them. Certainly the tritium hasn't been refreshed, it's expensive and the money is better off in numbered bank accounts.
 
berylman [TotalFark]
2023-01-28 10:10:54 AM  
I'm imagining Pootie like a desperate phone bank operator doing cold calls to any nation remotely involved with the former USSR.
encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.comView Full Size
Allo, this is Debbie from Moscow. It has come to our attention that your cars warranty has expired recently. In order to sustain your policy you must engage in Ukrainian invasion.
 
rabidferret
2023-01-28 10:19:40 AM  

heavymetal: FTFA: "Armenia

Once dependent on Russia for its security due to being geographically sandwiched in between hostile nations and isolated from the west, Yerevan's relations with Moscow hit an all-time low. Ever since the Velvet Revolution that replaced the pro-Russian ruling parties with a more western friendly one, the Kremlin has barely lifted a finger when Armenia needed it the most.

The past three years have seen a heavily Turkish-backed Azerbaijan in a near everlasting conflict with Armenia. Even when the country activated CTSO articles, Russia has not responded. This has caused the country to gradually look elsewhere with calls and protests to expel Russian forces from the nation for an EU-led multinational peacekeeping one."

I can see why other countries are not taking Putin up on his alliance suggestion. Russian military alliances have a history of being one-sided. This also reminds me of the ass-backwardness of the new general in charge of Russian forces trying to instill basic discipline of shaving, haircuts, and uniforms in the middle of a war. The time to build military alliances is before any conflict, not while you are getting your butts handed to you in an ill advised invasion; exposing your military as one not worth aligning with.


The beard thing actually makes sense in a political context.  Power struggle between the Ministry of Defense and Wagner/Chechen political alliance.  Only dudes rocking beards are the Chechens.

Order came out in context of MoD reasserting authority: Wagner/Chechen general was demoted below a MoD allied general, amongst other moves.
 
palelizard
2023-01-28 10:19:42 AM  

lilbjorn: Putin, always playing the long game.  "Hey allies. Send all your best troops to Ukraine as cannon fodder.  Then nobody left to defend your country when it's your turn in the barrel."


How much do you think he's just decided to take the beating to his pride and is cleaning out all the closets of old stuff? Just trashing stuff it's too costly and monotonous to maintain (and already poorly done), so after this, he'll have a pretty lean military. Kind of a long-game move and it's looking costly elsewhere if that was the play. I don't think that was/is the plan, but I'm not ruling it out.

I know the stuff we're sending over isn't our top gear, either.
 
kpaxoid
2023-01-28 10:21:01 AM  
Vladdie, my boy it's simple.  You have to follow the Trump playbook.

Attack your allies.  Tell them you'll stop attacking them when they join you in Ukraine.

Duh.
 
huma474
2023-01-28 10:32:01 AM  

palelizard: lilbjorn: Putin, always playing the long game.  "Hey allies. Send all your best troops to Ukraine as cannon fodder.  Then nobody left to defend your country when it's your turn in the barrel."

How much do you think he's just decided to take the beating to his pride and is cleaning out all the closets of old stuff? Just trashing stuff it's too costly and monotonous to maintain (and already poorly done), so after this, he'll have a pretty lean military. Kind of a long-game move and it's looking costly elsewhere if that was the play. I don't think that was/is the plan, but I'm not ruling it out.

I know the stuff we're sending over isn't our top gear, either.


Thing is though, we actually maintained it in storage. So even our hand-me-downs are 2 - 3x better than a lot of the newer stuff Russia already has on the front.
 
tembaarmswide
2023-01-28 10:47:28 AM  

berylman: I'm imagining Pootie like a desperate phone bank operator doing cold calls to any nation remotely involved with the former USSR.
[encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 286x176]Allo, this is Debbie from Moscow. It has come to our attention that your cars warranty has expired recently. In order to sustain your policy you must engage in Ukrainian invasion.


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kbronsito
2023-01-28 11:08:28 AM  
Putin started the war, his allies have no obligation. Azerbaijan's war with Armenia included attacks beyond the disputed territory and into land belonging to a Moscow ally. Azerbaijan is not in the CSTO. An outside party attacks a member and Russia's alliance and the response is to do nothing. They prefer to keep the Azeri market for exports, which is larger than the Armenian one.

So why should any ally come to Russia's aid?
 
deadsanta
2023-01-28 11:19:11 AM  

houstondragon: ?

Considering the conditions of their mechanized "fighting" force, I'm also seriously questioning if they even maintained their nukes.

Putin is clearly batshiat crazy flailing around and still dangerous


I'm completely certain that probably 75% of Putin's nukes wouldn't even fire tomorrow if he pushed the button, and the majority of what's left wouldn't be on target.  Doesn't matter, even 10 of those functioning means 50 cities glassed, and there's no objective here worth that price.  Kill him conventionally if you can, sure, assassinate him even better, but for God's sake don't farking escalate anywhere close to nuclear. Please stop even talking about it.
 
Blathering Idjut
2023-01-28 11:25:10 AM  
I'm sure part of the calculation is that Russia's client nations can see the West providing military aid but apparently in no rush to move troops into Ukraine and essentially occupy the country.  It kind of kicks the legs out of one of your arguments towards Western expansionism when the evidence of same is almost entirely via soft power, rather than through military means.  That and the west's military is clearly superior by light years.  If they wanted to invade, they would.

Putin is full of shiat and everyone knows it.
 
Bluenosed Baker
2023-01-28 11:40:49 AM  
houstondragon:

We all know they haven't.

That money was stolen as soon as the government signed off on the budget.
 
Communist Middleschool Student
2023-01-28 11:41:34 AM  
Forming an alliance to support each others invasions? Did nazi that coming!
 
Bluenosed Baker
2023-01-28 11:41:54 AM  
harleyquinnical:

Or they realized that with that many fanatical troops you could just take the whole enchilada and grab Moscow.
 
Communist Middleschool Student
2023-01-28 11:43:22 AM  

Archie Goodwin: Best Korea

Didn't they promise 100,000 troops to the front line? Whatever happened to that?


Either that ended up being fake news or Russia said no. I can't recall and I'm too lazy to look it up.
 
Dawnrazor
2023-01-28 11:44:03 AM  
FTFA: Lukashenko knows he would be the next domino in the house of cards to fall.

Who wrote this?  Zapp Brannigan?
 
MechaPyx [TotalFark]
2023-01-28 11:44:22 AM  
Peggy? No, no Peggy here.
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Mouser
2023-01-28 11:45:58 AM  
India and Russia have had a close knit relation for hundreds of years...

The Raj called, wants to know WTF you're talking about?
 
incendi [TotalFark]
2023-01-28 12:33:14 PM  

huma474: Thing is though, we actually maintained it in storage. So even our hand-me-downs are 2 - 3x better than a lot of the newer stuff Russia already has on the front.


There's a whole horde of people who lived a few years of miserably boring maintenance work out there who hopefully now get a moment to feel like maybe it wasn't all a waste if time after all :)
 
anuran
2023-01-28 12:55:10 PM  

lilbjorn: Putin, always playing the long game.  "Hey allies. Send all your best troops to Ukraine as cannon fodder.  Then nobody left to defend your country when it's your turn in the barrel."


"But he has nukes!"
 
anuran
2023-01-28 12:56:59 PM  

RasIanI: Russia has trade partners and clientsenemies, subjects, and countries far away - it doesn't have allies.
 
wildcardjack
2023-01-28 1:09:03 PM  
The picture looked like a giant set of speakers. A real Boombox
 
ansius
2023-01-28 1:24:04 PM  
It's like an abusive husband who's surprised when his battered wife refuses to help him at a trial.
 
fragMasterFlash [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-28 1:26:40 PM  
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AAAAGGGGHHHH
2023-01-28 1:31:16 PM  

harleyquinnical: Archie Goodwin: Best Korea

Didn't they promise 100,000 troops to the front line? Whatever happened to that?

Maybe they tried to take the Trans-Siberian Express and something "happened" between Pyongyang and Valdivostok


The Norkies saw a ham out on a  table not under armed guard and the train derailed from the force of so many people rushing out.
 
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