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(The Intercept)   Oklahoma to guy with clean police record: "Look, we stopped stopping you for being on a watchlist in 2015 and you got removed from it, so why are you complaining about us stopping you in 2022 for being on another watchlist?" Cue cuffs and guns   (theintercept.com) divider line
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Sexy Jesus [recently expired TotalFark]
2023-01-28 8:32:49 AM  
Why focus on the negative here? He wasn't beaten to death, sheesh.
 
sandbar67
2023-01-28 8:36:29 AM  
Get a different car with a different license plate and register it to a family member. Problem solved
 
Another Government Employee
2023-01-28 8:40:06 AM  

sandbar67: Get a different car with a different license plate and register it to a family member. Problem solved


The relatives' names are probably listed as POC's for this guy and it wouldn't help.

This would be a good use of an LLC.
 
MythDragon
2023-01-28 8:40:55 AM  
How do you get your car placed on a terrorist watch list?
 
SpaceMonkey-66 [TotalFark]
2023-01-28 8:42:48 AM  
They'll just lie about why he's being pulled over.  Until one of their roided up dogs goofs up and admits to it again
 
DarkSoulNoHope
2023-01-28 8:46:38 AM  
Police officer walking up to his car window: "Excuse me. Do you know how black you were going!?"
 
Creepy Lurker Guy [TotalFark]
2023-01-28 8:47:39 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Police officer walking up to his car window: "Excuse me. Do you know how black you were going!?"


Never heard of Doppler Shift?  8-(
 
Ker_Thwap [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-28 8:47:42 AM  
They removed him from the watchlist once!  Why didn't he take the opportunity to make himself less brown?  Who can you really blame here?
 
erewhon the opinionated
2023-01-28 8:49:11 AM  
ACAB
 
Gordon Bennett [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-28 8:52:50 AM  
This is what authoritarian regimes do. The government has a list of enemies and suspects. The list is secret. Those who create and maintain it are accountable to no one. Those on the list are singled out by law enforcement.

Getting put on the list is easy. Getting removed from the list is impossible. Even when clearly put on it mistakenly.
 
Another Government Employee
2023-01-28 8:53:14 AM  

MythDragon: How do you get your car placed on a terrorist watch list?


The name was first, then all assets associated with the name.
 
mrparks
2023-01-28 8:54:15 AM  
He wasn't in whiteface, so clearly he was asking for it.
 
The Smails Kid
2023-01-28 8:54:43 AM  

Ker_Thwap: They removed him from the watchlist once!  Why didn't he take the opportunity to make himself less brown?  Who can you really blame here?


He also had the opportunity to make his name less Mooslim! What's he waiting for???

/ s
 
HighlanderRPI
2023-01-28 8:59:21 AM  
If there's a list, can we at least get the Q-nuts & Alex Jones' donors onto it?
 
Oneiros [OhFark]
2023-01-28 9:01:55 AM  

SpaceMonkey-66: They'll just lie about why he's being pulled over.  Until one of their roided up dogs goofs up and admits to it again


They're not supposed to tell him that he was on the list.   Someone screwed up during one of his stops, which is probably a good thing as it allowed him to find out about it so he could try to challenge it.

But the problem is, unlike the no fly list, there's no mechanism to challenge it.  Which is why he has to sue the local police instead, but they're just going to claim that they're following the FBI's list, like they're supposed to.

/suspects the judges in Oklahoma would rule differently if this were a white nationalist
 
Sexy Jesus [recently expired TotalFark]
2023-01-28 9:08:36 AM  
When East Germany fell over a third of the country was STASI.
 
Target Builder
2023-01-28 9:13:52 AM  

Gordon Bennett: This is what authoritarian regimes do. The government has a list of enemies and suspects. The list is secret. Those who create and maintain it are accountable to no one. Those on the list are singled out by law enforcement.

Getting put on the list is easy. Getting removed from the list is impossible. Even when clearly put on it mistakenly.


It's Orwellian and Kafkaesque.

What a future we're headed into.
 
vudukungfu [TotalFark]
2023-01-28 9:16:07 AM  

MythDragon: How do you get your car placed on a terrorist watch list?


In the south, dead head and Bernie stickers
 
p89tech
2023-01-28 9:21:56 AM  
Don't worry. The secret lists of suspect people compiled by Brave Home Land Security Bureaucrats and Hero Police is for your protection, Citizen.

The fact that object to such lists makes us wonder what you're hiding. Perhaps you should be on a list, hmmmm?
 
Chief Superintendent Lookout
2023-01-28 9:22:04 AM  
Oklahoma City police officers are: A) dicks, and B) stupid.  I am not basing that off the article; however, the article reinforces those attributes.
 
odinsposse
2023-01-28 9:24:18 AM  

Sexy Jesus: Why focus on the negative here? He wasn't beaten to death, sheesh.


I guess this proves there really are good cops out there since they haven't killed this guy yet.
 
Cheron
2023-01-28 9:27:00 AM  
Long, 52, was initially told by an officer who stopped him that his car had been listed in a gang database. After waiting in his car for roughly 20 minutes, the officer, according to a video that Long made of the incident, came back with a different story. The police officer told Long that his car had come up as a "hit" in a national watchlist database, one that "automatically alerts us that this vehicle is under suspicion for a terrorist watchlist." The cop said that Long's presence on the watchlist, rather than any driving-related infraction or accusation of criminality, was why he had been pulled over.

What was he driving? I bet it was one of those Toyota pickups we see on the news. I guess one pickup is used in a crime all 400,000 are suspect
 
ComaToast [OhFark]
2023-01-28 9:28:28 AM  

MythDragon: How do you get your car placed on a terrorist watch list?


My 1974 Pinto is suspected of conspiracy to explode.
 
SpaceMonkey-66 [TotalFark]
2023-01-28 9:29:39 AM  

Oneiros: SpaceMonkey-66: They'll just lie about why he's being pulled over.  Until one of their roided up dogs goofs up and admits to it again

They're not supposed to tell him that he was on the list.   Someone screwed up during one of his stops, which is probably a good thing as it allowed him to find out about it so he could try to challenge it.

But the problem is, unlike the no fly list, there's no mechanism to challenge it.  Which is why he has to sue the local police instead, but they're just going to claim that they're following the FBI's list, like they're supposed to.

/suspects the judges in Oklahoma would rule differently if this were a white nationalist


Even if there were a mechanism, I doubt it would do any good.  Once you are a target, for whatever reason, you are always a target.

Tl; Dr approaching:

Back when my daughter was 16, she was pulled over by one of Webster, TX "finest" for going, he said, six mph over.   They did the field sobriety thing, she blew a .02, had a half glass of beer in the car.   Guy was 23 or so at the time, agreed to follow her home, where he then proceeded to hit on her in my garage.  She yelled for me, and after figuring out the game, I made him leave.  Which he did after threatening her and me as well.

Two weeks later he pulls her over again, this time he "finds" a pack of zig zags on her back floorboard.  No weed, he runs her in again even though rolling papers with no dope is legal.  On the way in, he berates her telling her that if he has gone out with him, it wouldn't have happened.

My daughters' uncle is a lawyer, and was able to humiliate the idiot in Court, to the tune of the judge chewing him out in front of everyone.

This got her put on a list, at least with them.
Didn't help that she drove a bright red car.

Nearly every time she drove through that surburban shiathole she got followed, searched, etc to the point that I started driving her car.   Ill admit, the look on the SAME officer after he pulled her again was priceless when he realized she wasn't driving.

Sold the car, the harassment stopped.  Btw - this is this the same esteemed tool that made Houston wide fame by tasering a priest in the parking lot of the priests own church a couple of years later.

Today, I wouldn't piss on webster, pd or Officer Berryman if they were on fire.  That town, and Friendswood PD near it, pretty much exist to get tacticool on local kids who dont know any better for the most part.   Reform is sorely needed even on this local level.
 
Majin_Buu [OhFark]
2023-01-28 9:31:29 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Police officer walking up to his car window: "Excuse me. Do you know how black you were going!?"


Case closed.
 
Kit Fister [TotalFark]
2023-01-28 9:33:43 AM  

Cheron: Long, 52, was initially told by an officer who stopped him that his car had been listed in a gang database. After waiting in his car for roughly 20 minutes, the officer, according to a video that Long made of the incident, came back with a different story. The police officer told Long that his car had come up as a "hit" in a national watchlist database, one that "automatically alerts us that this vehicle is under suspicion for a terrorist watchlist." The cop said that Long's presence on the watchlist, rather than any driving-related infraction or accusation of criminality, was why he had been pulled over.

What was he driving? I bet it was one of those Toyota pickups we see on the news. I guess one pickup is used in a crime all 400,000 are suspect


That's racist!
 
Vansthing [OhFark]
2023-01-28 9:36:26 AM  

MythDragon: How do you get your car placed on a terrorist watch list?


Daewoo
 
Kit Fister [TotalFark]
2023-01-28 9:36:59 AM  

SpaceMonkey-66: Oneiros: SpaceMonkey-66: They'll just lie about why he's being pulled over.  Until one of their roided up dogs goofs up and admits to it again

They're not supposed to tell him that he was on the list.   Someone screwed up during one of his stops, which is probably a good thing as it allowed him to find out about it so he could try to challenge it.

But the problem is, unlike the no fly list, there's no mechanism to challenge it.  Which is why he has to sue the local police instead, but they're just going to claim that they're following the FBI's list, like they're supposed to.

/suspects the judges in Oklahoma would rule differently if this were a white nationalist

Even if there were a mechanism, I doubt it would do any good.  Once you are a target, for whatever reason, you are always a target.

Tl; Dr approaching:

Back when my daughter was 16, she was pulled over by one of Webster, TX "finest" for going, he said, six mph over.   They did the field sobriety thing, she blew a .02, had a half glass of beer in the car.   Guy was 23 or so at the time, agreed to follow her home, where he then proceeded to hit on her in my garage.  She yelled for me, and after figuring out the game, I made him leave.  Which he did after threatening her and me as well.

Two weeks later he pulls her over again, this time he "finds" a pack of zig zags on her back floorboard.  No weed, he runs her in again even though rolling papers with no dope is legal.  On the way in, he berates her telling her that if he has gone out with him, it wouldn't have happened.

My daughters' uncle is a lawyer, and was able to humiliate the idiot in Court, to the tune of the judge chewing him out in front of everyone.

This got her put on a list, at least with them.
Didn't help that she drove a bright red car.

Nearly every time she drove through that surburban shiathole she got followed, searched, etc to the point that I started driving her car.   Ill admit, the look on the SAME officer after he pulled her a ...


cue austerity202....
 
Boojum2k
2023-01-28 9:43:33 AM  

Kit Fister: SpaceMonkey-66: Oneiros: SpaceMonkey-66: They'll just lie about why he's being pulled over.  Until one of their roided up dogs goofs up and admits to it again

They're not supposed to tell him that he was on the list.   Someone screwed up during one of his stops, which is probably a good thing as it allowed him to find out about it so he could try to challenge it.

But the problem is, unlike the no fly list, there's no mechanism to challenge it.  Which is why he has to sue the local police instead, but they're just going to claim that they're following the FBI's list, like they're supposed to.

/suspects the judges in Oklahoma would rule differently if this were a white nationalist

Even if there were a mechanism, I doubt it would do any good.  Once you are a target, for whatever reason, you are always a target.

Tl; Dr approaching:

Back when my daughter was 16, she was pulled over by one of Webster, TX "finest" for going, he said, six mph over.   They did the field sobriety thing, she blew a .02, had a half glass of beer in the car.   Guy was 23 or so at the time, agreed to follow her home, where he then proceeded to hit on her in my garage.  She yelled for me, and after figuring out the game, I made him leave.  Which he did after threatening her and me as well.

Two weeks later he pulls her over again, this time he "finds" a pack of zig zags on her back floorboard.  No weed, he runs her in again even though rolling papers with no dope is legal.  On the way in, he berates her telling her that if he has gone out with him, it wouldn't have happened.

My daughters' uncle is a lawyer, and was able to humiliate the idiot in Court, to the tune of the judge chewing him out in front of everyone.

This got her put on a list, at least with them.
Didn't help that she drove a bright red car.

Nearly every time she drove through that surburban shiathole she got followed, searched, etc to the point that I started driving her car.   Ill admit, the look on the SAME officer after he pulled her a ...

cue austerity202....


Well, he's not wrong about that topic at least.
 
Jeebus Saves
2023-01-28 9:54:05 AM  

Cheron: Long, 52, was initially told by an officer who stopped him that his car had been listed in a gang database. After waiting in his car for roughly 20 minutes, the officer, according to a video that Long made of the incident, came back with a different story. The police officer told Long that his car had come up as a "hit" in a national watchlist database, one that "automatically alerts us that this vehicle is under suspicion for a terrorist watchlist." The cop said that Long's presence on the watchlist, rather than any driving-related infraction or accusation of criminality, was why he had been pulled over.

What was he driving? I bet it was one of those Toyota pickups we see on the news. I guess one pickup is used in a crime all 400,000 are suspect


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Northern
2023-01-28 10:04:44 AM  

MythDragon: How do you get your car placed on a terrorist watch list?


Why hasn't the car been detained and sent to Gitmo?  How many white Christian girls has the car impregnated?
Hey, remember in 2002 how some of us warned others that the anti-terror laws were not only useless, but surrendering essential civil rights?
Good times!
 
wingnut396
2023-01-28 10:06:26 AM  

Gordon Bennett: This is what authoritarian regimes do. The government has a list of enemies and suspects. The list is secret. Those who create and maintain it are accountable to no one. Those on the list are singled out by law enforcement.

Getting put on the list is easy. Getting removed from the list is impossible. Even when clearly put on it mistakenly.


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jso2897
2023-01-28 10:09:53 AM  

Majin_Buu: DarkSoulNoHope: Police officer walking up to his car window: "Excuse me. Do you know how black you were going!?"

Case closed.


You libs are racists for noticing that.
 
Caelistis
2023-01-28 10:11:21 AM  
I think many Farkers would be astonished to learn just how easy it is to be placed on a "terrorism" watch list and that some of them probably already are without their knowledge.

Seemingly innocuous actions can trigger it. Do you advocate for encryption and privacy from both governmental and corporate spying? Congratulations, you've made it on to a list. Are you in to self-sustainability and being off the grid? On a list.
 
SpaceMonkey-66 [TotalFark]
2023-01-28 10:13:31 AM  

Jeebus Saves: Cheron: Long, 52, was initially told by an officer who stopped him that his car had been listed in a gang database. After waiting in his car for roughly 20 minutes, the officer, according to a video that Long made of the incident, came back with a different story. The police officer told Long that his car had come up as a "hit" in a national watchlist database, one that "automatically alerts us that this vehicle is under suspicion for a terrorist watchlist." The cop said that Long's presence on the watchlist, rather than any driving-related infraction or accusation of criminality, was why he had been pulled over.

What was he driving? I bet it was one of those Toyota pickups we see on the news. I guess one pickup is used in a crime all 400,000 are suspect

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I always associated the VW microbus with this.....
 
SpaceMonkey-66 [TotalFark]
2023-01-28 10:15:41 AM  

SpaceMonkey-66: Jeebus Saves: Cheron: Long, 52, was initially told by an officer who stopped him that his car had been listed in a gang database. After waiting in his car for roughly 20 minutes, the officer, according to a video that Long made of the incident, came back with a different story. The police officer told Long that his car had come up as a "hit" in a national watchlist database, one that "automatically alerts us that this vehicle is under suspicion for a terrorist watchlist." The cop said that Long's presence on the watchlist, rather than any driving-related infraction or accusation of criminality, was why he had been pulled over.

What was he driving? I bet it was one of those Toyota pickups we see on the news. I guess one pickup is used in a crime all 400,000 are suspect

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 718x390]

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I always associated the VW microbus with this.....


Forgot to add (threadjack, not a RickRoll):

Fast Times bus found and restored in 2015
 
Another Government Employee
2023-01-28 10:26:06 AM  

SpaceMonkey-66: SpaceMonkey-66: Jeebus Saves: Cheron: Long, 52, was initially told by an officer who stopped him that his car had been listed in a gang database. After waiting in his car for roughly 20 minutes, the officer, according to a video that Long made of the incident, came back with a different story. The police officer told Long that his car had come up as a "hit" in a national watchlist database, one that "automatically alerts us that this vehicle is under suspicion for a terrorist watchlist." The cop said that Long's presence on the watchlist, rather than any driving-related infraction or accusation of criminality, was why he had been pulled over.

What was he driving? I bet it was one of those Toyota pickups we see on the news. I guess one pickup is used in a crime all 400,000 are suspect

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 718x390]

[Fark user image image 425x283]

I always associated the VW microbus with this.....

Forgot to add (threadjack, not a RickRoll):

Fast Times bus found and restored in 2015


Even outside the provenance, that is worth six figures.
 
Snort
2023-01-28 10:27:12 AM  
Bet there aren't any John Smiths on any list.

/John Bigbooté is on every list there is.
//yes, on your grocery list too.
///between the jalapenos and tomatillos
 
wildcardjack
2023-01-28 10:33:56 AM  

MythDragon: How do you get your car placed on a terrorist watch list?


I'm guessing it's meth related. Frequented places associated with production or distribution.
 
edmo [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-28 10:41:57 AM  
The only terrorism happening here is law enforcement.
 
wesmon
2023-01-28 10:42:07 AM  

MythDragon: How do you get your car placed on a terrorist watch list?


Date a cops ex-wife.
 
Conservative Evangelical Millennial Cyclist
2023-01-28 11:01:19 AM  

Sexy Jesus: When East Germany fell over a third of the country was STASI.


In America over a third will be KAREN.
 
trasnform
2023-01-28 11:02:17 AM  

Jeebus Saves: Cheron: Long, 52, was initially told by an officer who stopped him that his car had been listed in a gang database. After waiting in his car for roughly 20 minutes, the officer, according to a video that Long made of the incident, came back with a different story. The police officer told Long that his car had come up as a "hit" in a national watchlist database, one that "automatically alerts us that this vehicle is under suspicion for a terrorist watchlist." The cop said that Long's presence on the watchlist, rather than any driving-related infraction or accusation of criminality, was why he had been pulled over.

What was he driving? I bet it was one of those Toyota pickups we see on the news. I guess one pickup is used in a crime all 400,000 are suspect

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 718x390]


People forget, but when that movie came out, that reference was spot on. It was only later that decade you started seeing the Toyota trucks in that context.
 
trasnform
2023-01-28 11:08:22 AM  

SpaceMonkey-66: Jeebus Saves: Cheron: Long, 52, was initially told by an officer who stopped him that his car had been listed in a gang database. After waiting in his car for roughly 20 minutes, the officer, according to a video that Long made of the incident, came back with a different story. The police officer told Long that his car had come up as a "hit" in a national watchlist database, one that "automatically alerts us that this vehicle is under suspicion for a terrorist watchlist." The cop said that Long's presence on the watchlist, rather than any driving-related infraction or accusation of criminality, was why he had been pulled over.

What was he driving? I bet it was one of those Toyota pickups we see on the news. I guess one pickup is used in a crime all 400,000 are suspect

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 718x390]

[Fark user image 425x283]

I always associated the VW microbus with this.....


Peace, love, terrorism, is there anything the VW Bus can't do?
Yes. Accelerate up a mountain. Or a slight incline. The good thing was that nobody ever tailgated you, because even people who knew absolutely nothing about cars knew they were slow.
 
indy_kid
2023-01-28 11:09:14 AM  

Sexy Jesus: When East Germany fell over a third of the country was STASI.


STASI was small, but their reach was huge.  That 1/3 was just regular people who had provided info to them.  Refusing wasn't much of an option.

Once citizens were allowed to read their STASI files, skater Katerina Witt found out most of her coaches, trainers, etc., were providing info.  Since she was allowed to travel overseas, STASI had a strong interest in her.

Regular folks living fairly normal lives in East Germany found out that numerous relatives had spoken to STASI (or more likely STASI wanted some dirt on them for leverage) and often made wild claims.  An easy way to get a boss or co-worker fired from their job.

A lot of families were torn apart when those files became public.

"The Lives of Others" is a great movie that details STASI surveillance of basically everyone.
 
Exile On Beale Street [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-28 11:24:42 AM  

Vansthing: MythDragon: How do you get your car placed on a terrorist watch list?

Daewoo


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mondo_bizzaro
2023-01-28 11:30:27 AM  
Didn't some pol want to pass a law that people on the terrorism/no-fly watch lists were denied the right to purchase a firearm?

Didn't much of Fark support that law?
 
MountainClimber
2023-01-28 11:35:34 AM  

MythDragon: How do you get your car placed on a terrorist watch list?


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Forbidden Doughnut
2023-01-28 11:53:24 AM  
A black person driving at night in Oklahoma with a muslim-sounding name....( I can see how MAGA-types & cops will freak out, which is both expected and pathetic.)
 
ctighe2353
2023-01-28 12:06:04 PM  

Gordon Bennett: This is what authoritarian regimes do. The government has a list of enemies and suspects. The list is secret. Those who create and maintain it are accountable to no one. Those on the list are singled out by law enforcement.

Getting put on the list is easy. Getting removed from the list is impossible. Even when clearly put on it mistakenly.


Is it easy to get on these lists?  Odd, I only know 1 guy on a watch list the the story is below.
You have to do something or be associated with someone/thing to get on these lists.  Either we have lists to try and avoid another 9/11 or other bombing or we don't have lists and take our chances.
Yes sometimes innocent people get caught up just by visiting the same establishment as a terrorist but that's just a numbers game with 8 billion people in the world.

In the months before 9/11 a coworker of mine went from a bad Muslim as he called it who drank, smoked and was generally western to suddenly a very devout follower who prayed at work, always talked about how bad he/we were and we needed to change.  He went on vacation right before 9/11 and was kind of odd looking back, he kept insisting I hold his laptop in my locked drawers instead of him taking it.... little background, we worked in communications and had government clients and were out of long island about 40 minutes from NYC.
Then 9/11 happened... we all went home early and back in the office a few days later we go back to the office and he's not there, nobody can get in touch with him.   We swing by his apartment where he lived with his wife and kid and it's empty, completely cleared out.  We reported it to the fbi and that's the last of it, his work space was taped off and we never got more info.

Assuming the guys laptop was clean... did he do anything wrong? No, maybe he got a new job in another town and needed to start immediately and didn't want the hassle of quiting but I'm 100% sure he is on every watch list there is because of his religion and rapid change and the timing and odd circumstances of his leaving.

That and he was either involved or knew enough about it to get out before it happened
 
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