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(Guardian)   Rick Astley does the unthinkable, gives someone up   (theguardian.com) divider line
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3496 clicks; posted to Entertainment » on 28 Jan 2023 at 3:05 AM (8 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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BizarreMan [TotalFark]
2023-01-28 12:47:58 AM  
There is a reason some commercials give the disclaimer "celebrity voice impersonation ".  That's so they can have it sound like someone famous said something they didn't and get away with it.

If there isn't such a disclaimer on this song and video.  He's screwed.
 
Lsherm [TotalFark]
2023-01-28 1:29:04 AM  
This...is actually an interesting copyright case. He granted rights to sample the song, but then someone recorded something that sounded like him. Can you copyright a voice?
 
BizarreMan [TotalFark]
2023-01-28 1:33:41 AM  

Lsherm: This...is actually an interesting copyright case. He granted rights to sample the song, but then someone recorded something that sounded like him. Can you copyright a voice?


A celebrity can sue for unauthorized use of their likeness.  Wouldn't his voice be considered part of that likeness?
 
BizarreMan [TotalFark]
2023-01-28 1:35:08 AM  

Lsherm: This...is actually an interesting copyright case. He granted rights to sample the song, but then someone recorded something that sounded like him. Can you copyright a voice?


Actually, he did not grant rights to sample the song, he granted rights to the composition.  The rapper took it upon himself to recreate the arrangement as close to possible as they could.

Avoiding the requirement to pay the sampling fees all around.
 
Lsherm [TotalFark]
2023-01-28 2:06:32 AM  

BizarreMan: Lsherm: This...is actually an interesting copyright case. He granted rights to sample the song, but then someone recorded something that sounded like him. Can you copyright a voice?

Actually, he did not grant rights to sample the song, he granted rights to the composition.  The rapper took it upon himself to recreate the arrangement as close to possible as they could.

Avoiding the requirement to pay the sampling fees all around.


Oh, that makes more sense. Rapper is going to lose. Or is he?
 
palladiate [TotalFark]
2023-01-28 2:59:49 AM  

Lsherm: BizarreMan: Lsherm: This...is actually an interesting copyright case. He granted rights to sample the song, but then someone recorded something that sounded like him. Can you copyright a voice?

Actually, he did not grant rights to sample the song, he granted rights to the composition.  The rapper took it upon himself to recreate the arrangement as close to possible as they could.

Avoiding the requirement to pay the sampling fees all around.

Oh, that makes more sense. Rapper is going to lose. Or is he?


From what we know, the sampling rights would not be sold at any price. But they were allowed to use parts of the composition and sound. Turns out the rights holder could authorize using the composition (or samples but none were used). Since you can't exactly copyright a synth sound so that's ok to approximate. However, laws in the US protect voice and appearance of figures that make their money off of them, like actors and singers.

What may happen is that Astley may be rebuffed and have to go after the rights holder for authorizing his likeness when they couldn't. It's gonna be messy all around. The label may have granted something they couldn't. That doesn't instantly mean Gravy is in deep crap.

One outcome may be that Astley doesn't get the money, Gravy loses the rights to distribute the song, and the a-hole label keeps all their cash. Typically the court will find a way to make sure someone like Astley is paid since any attempts to un-f the pig will lead to pretty big messes.

The song is amusing but he does have better. I appreciate his love of Peaches

https://youtu.be/NIdWvUuEBB0
 
Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo
2023-01-28 3:20:18 AM  
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LewDux [OhFark]
2023-01-28 3:36:32 AM  
Paul McCartney and Rick Rubin listen to Smash Mouth All Star stems
Youtube HaAvWxxSYdo
 
ForkHandle
2023-01-28 4:18:27 AM  
So Rick Astley has selected beef with gravy.
 
tembaarmswide [TotalFark]
2023-01-28 5:21:54 AM  

BizarreMan: Lsherm: This...is actually an interesting copyright case. He granted rights to sample the song, but then someone recorded something that sounded like him. Can you copyright a voice?

A celebrity can sue for unauthorized use of their likeness.  Wouldn't his voice be considered part of that likeness?


Didn't Crispen Glover Sue the back to the future people for replacing him with someone that looked so much like him it was assumed that it was him...
 
tembaarmswide [TotalFark]
2023-01-28 5:26:32 AM  
Lil' Nutzzak - (You Make Me So) Hard
Youtube dM8sOwMo9Dw


wonder how they worked out the usage rights to this...
 
tembaarmswide [TotalFark]
2023-01-28 5:28:10 AM  

tembaarmswide: [YouTube video: Lil' Nutzzak - (You Make Me So) Hard]

wonder how they worked out the usage rights to this...


I should've stated so.  the previous youtube video is not even remotely safe for work.

NSFW above this and you clicked before seeing this....
 
Bslim
2023-01-28 5:54:30 AM  
Born Matthew Hauri, the musician -...


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Northern
2023-01-28 6:45:31 AM  

BizarreMan: Lsherm: This...is actually an interesting copyright case. He granted rights to sample the song, but then someone recorded something that sounded like him. Can you copyright a voice?

Actually, he did not grant rights to sample the song, he granted rights to the composition.  The rapper took it upon himself to recreate the arrangement as close to possible as they could.

Avoiding the requirement to pay the sampling fees all around.


Huh?
TFA states that the song is not owned by Astley, who received no compensation in the license deal.  Young Gravy then went further than the license allowed by imitating Astley's voice and performance style.
Astley's attorneys will likely reference the Marvin Gaye estate vs Thicke and Williams case regarding the song "blurred lines" in court.  I doubt Astley can prove damage to his reputation due to this popular song, he likely feels angry at being left out and or does not like what YG did with his big hit.
 
LewDux [OhFark]
2023-01-28 6:51:04 AM  

Northern: BizarreMan: Lsherm: This...is actually an interesting copyright case. He granted rights to sample the song, but then someone recorded something that sounded like him. Can you copyright a voice?

Actually, he did not grant rights to sample the song, he granted rights to the composition.  The rapper took it upon himself to recreate the arrangement as close to possible as they could.

Avoiding the requirement to pay the sampling fees all around.

Huh?
TFA states that the song is not owned by Astley, who received no compensation in the license deal.  Young Gravy then went further than the license allowed by imitating Astley's voice and performance style.
Astley's attorneys will likely reference the Marvin Gaye estate vs Thicke and Williams case regarding the song "blurred lines" in court.  I doubt Astley can prove damage to his reputation due to this popular song, he likely feels angry at being left out and or does not like what YG did with his big hit.


Or lawyers didn't ask his opinion. They didn't ask Marvin's opinion, did they?
/Leave Rick alone
 
Unscratchable_Itch
2023-01-28 7:10:50 AM  
Looked up the rapper from the lawsuit and the song in question...

JHFC. I hope he gets stomped to death by hippos and set on fire. What an abomination. Jayzus.

But I bet the kids love it.
 
Fear the Clam
2023-01-28 7:34:02 AM  
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Spadababababababa Spadina Bus
2023-01-28 7:41:54 AM  

Lsherm: BizarreMan: Lsherm: This...is actually an interesting copyright case. He granted rights to sample the song, but then someone recorded something that sounded like him. Can you copyright a voice?

Actually, he did not grant rights to sample the song, he granted rights to the composition.  The rapper took it upon himself to recreate the arrangement as close to possible as they could.

Avoiding the requirement to pay the sampling fees all around.

Oh, that makes more sense. Rapper is going to lose. Or is he?


The angle I'm considering here is whether Yung Gravy could claim that his song is a parody of Astley's signature style and arrangement. I've been trying to figure out whether that song is a parody or just a really, really bad homage since the first time I heard it.
 
Manfred J. Hattan
2023-01-28 8:33:45 AM  

Unscratchable_Itch: Looked up the rapper from the lawsuit and the song in question...

JHFC. I hope he gets stomped to death by hippos and set on fire. What an abomination. Jayzus.

But I bet the kids love it.


Between this guy and Nutsack upthread, I think I have officially surrendered to the music equivalent of Poe's law.
 
bikkurikun
2023-01-28 8:39:36 AM  
He knew the rules and so did Rick.
 
CluelessMoron [OhFark]
2023-01-28 8:41:17 AM  

Spadababababababa Spadina Bus: The angle I'm considering here is whether Yung Gravy could claim that his song is a parody of Astley's signature style and arrangement. I've been trying to figure out whether that song is a parody or just a really, really bad homage since the first time I heard it.


Having just heard it, it strikes me at the result of telling an AI "make an unimaginative derivative rap cover of 'never gonna give you up'"
 
Another Government Employee
2023-01-28 8:43:38 AM  

Lsherm: This...is actually an interesting copyright case. He granted rights to sample the song, but then someone recorded something that sounded like him. Can you copyright a voice?


It sounds similar to the "Bittersweet Symphony" case where one of the rights holders (NOT any of the actual Rolling Stones) claimed far more than was licensed was used.

And this is going to be the Label, not Astley, suing.
 
Martian_Astronomer [TotalFark]
2023-01-28 8:50:38 AM  
The article should come with the warning I have given several times: I can show/tell you who Yung Gravy is, but I cannot un-show you.
 
Another Government Employee
2023-01-28 8:57:48 AM  

Fear the Clam: [Fark user image 850x571]


So, he's Wavy's Love Child's bastard son?

No hope for lead poisoning for this one.
 
LewDux [OhFark]
2023-01-28 9:05:14 AM  
Fark Rocklodyes found new existential threat and it's.. Yung Gravy?
 
LewDux [OhFark]
2023-01-28 9:12:19 AM  
Peaches - F*** The Pain Away - YouTube
Yung Gravy - oops! (Official Audio)
Youtube S8ROLetYhSg
 
Lsherm [TotalFark]
2023-01-28 10:18:50 AM  

tembaarmswide: BizarreMan: Lsherm: This...is actually an interesting copyright case. He granted rights to sample the song, but then someone recorded something that sounded like him. Can you copyright a voice?

A celebrity can sue for unauthorized use of their likeness.  Wouldn't his voice be considered part of that likeness?

Didn't Crispen Glover Sue the back to the future people for replacing him with someone that looked so much like him it was assumed that it was him...


Yeah, but it never went to court. They settled in arbitration for $760,000.
 
Marcus Aurelius [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-28 10:58:58 AM  
Yung Gravy should automatically have all lawsuits dismissed on account of him naming himself "Yung Gravy".  Anyone that does that has no respect for polite society.
 
deadsanta
2023-01-28 10:59:38 AM  

Lsherm: tembaarmswide: BizarreMan: Lsherm: This...is actually an interesting copyright case. He granted rights to sample the song, but then someone recorded something that sounded like him. Can you copyright a voice?

A celebrity can sue for unauthorized use of their likeness.  Wouldn't his voice be considered part of that likeness?

Didn't Crispen Glover Sue the back to the future people for replacing him with someone that looked so much like him it was assumed that it was him...

Yeah, but it never went to court. They settled in arbitration for $760,000.


That case provided the seed for the various new legal clauses added into performers' rights over their likeness and how far a studio can stretch the envelope approximating a specific human.  This situation is just insanely wrong on every level, I simply cannot believe Zemekis or anyone else in charge thought they'd be able to get away with putting a celebrity impersonator wearing Glover's actual face mold into the film.  Those were his features, captured in plaster in the previous film.  Hollywood is an awful business.
 
Wireless Joe
2023-01-28 11:13:39 AM  
Even the closed captioning:

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Marcos P
2023-01-28 1:47:46 PM  
Oh man thank God Jim Morrison wasn't around to hear Danzig.
 
HighlanderRPI
2023-01-28 3:29:54 PM  

Fear the Clam: [Fark user image 850x571]


I heard he will perform at a Bris too, but only for tips
 
patcarew [BareFark]
2023-01-28 4:48:32 PM  

Lsherm: This...is actually an interesting copyright case. He granted rights to sample the song, but then someone recorded something that sounded like him. Can you copyright a voice?


Harvard Law School has an interesting take.
 
Nexzus
2023-01-28 7:32:01 PM  

Spadababababababa Spadina Bus: Lsherm: BizarreMan: Lsherm: This...is actually an interesting copyright case. He granted rights to sample the song, but then someone recorded something that sounded like him. Can you copyright a voice?

Actually, he did not grant rights to sample the song, he granted rights to the composition.  The rapper took it upon himself to recreate the arrangement as close to possible as they could.

Avoiding the requirement to pay the sampling fees all around.

Oh, that makes more sense. Rapper is going to lose. Or is he?

The angle I'm considering here is whether Yung Gravy could claim that his song is a parody of Astley's signature style and arrangement. I've been trying to figure out whether that song is a parody or just a really, really bad homage since the first time I heard it.


Jeez, glad I'm not the only one.

Reminds me of Lil Dickie, just way way more lame.
 
Craw Fu
2023-01-28 11:07:01 PM  

tembaarmswide: tembaarmswide: [YouTube video: Lil' Nutzzak - (You Make Me So) Hard]

wonder how they worked out the usage rights to this...

I should've stated so.  the previous youtube video is not even remotely safe for work.

NSFW above this and you clicked before seeing this....


Regardless, nothing in the world is going to get me to watch a video by someone calling himself Lil Nutsack.
 
AteMyBrain
2023-01-29 2:32:15 PM  
There's a white rapper from Minnesota who calls himself "Yung Gravy"?
Oh, this makes the whole story worthwhile.
 
LewDux [OhFark]
2023-01-29 2:59:49 PM  

AteMyBrain: There's a white rapper from Minnesota who calls himself "Yung Gravy"?
Oh, this makes the whole story worthwhile.


Wait till you hear about M&M
 
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