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2023-01-28 2:25:30 AM  
While the US government doesn't track the number of EV fires, specifically, Tesla's reported numbers are far lower than the rate for highway fires overall, the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) told Vox

Tesla pushes out bullshiat statistics, most of which always include the "highway" clarifier.

Drunk drivers don't normally kill people on highways, either.
 
2023-01-28 2:55:01 AM  

Lsherm: While the US government doesn't track the number of EV fires, specifically, Tesla's reported numbers are far lower than the rate for highway fires overall, the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) told Vox

Tesla pushes out bullshiat statistics, most of which always include the "highway" clarifier.

Drunk drivers don't normally kill people on highways, either.


Without a 3rd party to collect data, all self-reported data is bullshiat, since we all could be lying.
 
2023-01-28 3:17:23 AM  
Fire Department to Tesla: hey, we could use some help

Tesla:
 
2023-01-28 3:37:15 AM  
FTFA:
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Farkers are typically very much against disinformation, but for some reason you lot sure do love some anti-EV propaganda.
 
2023-01-28 3:38:12 AM  

Lsherm: While the US government doesn't track the number of EV fires, specifically, Tesla's reported numbers are far lower than the rate for highway fires overall, the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) told Vox

Tesla pushes out bullshiat statistics, most of which always include the "highway" clarifier.

Drunk drivers don't normally kill people on highways, either.


That's because the government data they have to compare against is "highway" data. Do some googling. That's what the NHTSA keeps track of.
 
2023-01-28 3:44:17 AM  

Lsherm: While the US government doesn't track the number of EV fires, specifically, Tesla's reported numbers are far lower than the rate for highway fires overall, the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) told Vox

Tesla pushes out bullshiat statistics, most of which always include the "highway" clarifier.

Drunk drivers don't normally kill people on highways, either.


Dude. The 2nd line of the article basically says the pearl clothing headline is bullsheist. The author and editor should be shamed
 
2023-01-28 3:46:25 AM  
I want an electric car so bad...
//can't justify buying a new car
 
2023-01-28 3:48:13 AM  
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2023-01-28 3:58:45 AM  
managed to escape the car, but the Tesla burst into flames.

Damn, I thought the electronic-button-only door release would have been enough to ensure a proper cooking of the people stupid enough to buy one of those overpriced, piece-of-shiat deathtraps.  Guess I was wrong, at least in this instance.

Oh well, there's always the newer models.  They'll get it right eventually.
 
2023-01-28 7:57:25 AM  
putting out a lithium fire with water. mmhmm.
 
2023-01-28 8:14:32 AM  

koder: managed to escape the car, but the Tesla burst into flames.

Damn, I thought the electronic-button-only door release would have been enough to ensure a proper cooking of the people stupid enough to buy one of those overpriced, piece-of-shiat deathtraps.  Guess I was wrong, at least in this instance.

Oh well, there's always the newer models.  They'll get it right eventually.


No thats going to be the tesla truck with its bulletproof glass and steel doors. Because no one has ever been saved by bashing in a window to pull them out amirite?
 
2023-01-28 8:57:57 AM  

Likwit: FTFA:
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Farkers are typically very much against disinformation, but for some reason you lot sure do love some anti-EV propaganda.


Dude,

1) saying that Tesla (or any corporate statistics) is suspect at best is just a fact.

B) saying that electric vehicle (and therefore the migration from ICE to electric vehicles) present(s) unique challenges and hazards that we can't ignore isn't being "anti" anything, it's stating a truth that must be recognized. Failure to do so will insure a failure of an electric vehicle future.

III) Believing that it is incumbent upon companies that make electric vehicles (and therefore profit from them) to provide honest research and guidance into dealing with problems like vehicle fires isn't "anti" (or even Leftist). It's to the benefit of Tesla to develop honest "best practices" for dealing with EV fires and to share that information freely with any fire depart that's interested.

  From a moral perspective, it's an obligation. From a PR perspective, it's a gold mine. From a liability control perspective, it's at worst neutral but likely helpful.

Anyway - The guys who stick their fingers in their ears and shout "blah, blah, blah, don't wanna' hear it, you're wrong" when someone criticizes EVs or raises a concern are every bit as bad as the guys who did it during the history of ICE vehicles and continue to do it.

Also, I think Fark loves anything that is negative toward Elon or things Elon related. So it's not really EV's, it's Tesla.
 
2023-01-28 9:04:35 AM  

scumm: putting out a lithium fire with water. mmhmm.


My understanding (limited) is that putting out these fires is primarily about cooling the source, and water (lots of water) is probably the best way we have to do that today. Saw this video a month or so back about it...

Why Tesla Fires are Impossible to Put Out
Youtube K5vDWhMHTwE
 
2023-01-28 9:22:33 AM  

Likwit: Lsherm: While the US government doesn't track the number of EV fires, specifically, Tesla's reported numbers are far lower than the rate for highway fires overall, the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) told Vox

Tesla pushes out bullshiat statistics, most of which always include the "highway" clarifier.

Drunk drivers don't normally kill people on highways, either.

That's because the government data they have to compare against is "highway" data. Do some googling. That's what the NHTSA keeps track of.


Does anyone have a link for any NHTSA stats that compares EVs vs ICE?

I can find individual reports of fires under investigation but not a yearly summary. Likewise the NFPA has highway stats for all vehicles and does not categorize EVs as separate vehicles at least as of 2018. In that report the NFPA describes "highway vehicles" as vehicles intended for use on roadways.

There is a popular chart that has been making the media rounds for a while showing ICE and Hybrid vehicles with higher instances of fires but Car and Driver takes issue with this particular data set.
 
2023-01-28 9:38:49 AM  

scumm: putting out a lithium fire with water. mmhmm.


Smaller towns with volunteer fire fighters can't afford to have their two fire engines replaced with the foam carrying kind . Even if they did manage to get one, it won't make since since the vast majority of fires they will fight will be of the water kind.
 
2023-01-28 9:56:17 AM  
EVs catch fire far less often than gas-powered cars,
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While the US government doesn't track the number of EV fires, specifically,
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Tesla's reported Canadian girlfriend is far hotter than other American car maker's girlfriends according to Tesla.
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article is a pile of bs if you can claim EVs catch fire less often from stats that are not recorded in the first place.


Also

EVs catch fire far less often than gas-powered cars  is not the question about the technology., it's what caused the fire that might make a difference here. Generally speaking the gas in the car is not what starts the fire, so yeah the question is not how often do red cars catch fire compared to blue cars.
The question to ask is, Do EVs have a particular fire risk that ICEs do not that should to be addressed in design or insurance costs?
 
2023-01-28 9:59:39 AM  

broadwayLamb: scumm: putting out a lithium fire with water. mmhmm.

My understanding (limited) is that putting out these fires is primarily about cooling the source, and water (lots of water) is probably the best way we have to do that today. Saw this video a month or so back about it...

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/K5vDWhMHTwE]


Firefighters should have some kind of a metal ring, like the sides of an above-ground swimming pool, that they could drop over a burning car, then fill the pool up with water to submerge the fire. I'm sure it would be more complicated than that in practice, but I'm more of an idea guy.
 
2023-01-28 10:12:50 AM  

PvtStash: The question to ask is, Do EVs have a particular fire risk that ICEs do not that should to be addressed in design or insurance costs?


Also even if the risk is lower for EVs what's the damage potential / cost / severity of injury OF said fire relative to ICE vehicles? It's a risk probability calculation.. dunno the answer to either of those questions.
 
2023-01-28 10:39:08 AM  
LiFeP04:
How are LiFePO4 batteries safer than other lithium batteries?
Phosphate-based batteries offer superior chemical and mechanical structure that does not overheat to unsafe levels. Thus, providing an increase in safety over lithium-ion batteries made with other cathode materials. This is because the charged and uncharged states of LiFePO4 are physically similar and highly robust, which lets the ions remain stable during the oxygen flux that happens alongside charge cycles or possible malfunctions. Overall, the iron phosphate-oxide bond is stronger than the cobalt-oxide bond, so when the battery is overcharged or subject to physical damage then the phosphate-oxide bond remains structurally stable; whereas in other lithium chemistries the bonds begin breaking down and releasing excessive heat, which eventually leads to thermal Runaway. Lithium phosphate cells are incombustible, which is an important feature in the event of mishandling during charging or discharging. They can also withstand harsh conditions, be it freezing cold, scorching heat or rough terrain. When subjected to hazardous events, such as collision or short-circuiting, they won't explode or catch fire, significantly reducing any chance of harm. If you're selecting a lithium battery and anticipate use in hazardous or unstable environments, LiFePO4 is likely your best choice. It's also worth mentioning, LiFePO4 batteries are non-toxic, non-contaminating and contain no rare earth metals, making them an environmentally conscious choice.

https://relionbattery.com/knowledge/how-are-lifepo4-batteries-safer-than-other-lithium-batteries
 
2023-01-28 11:07:38 AM  

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Buster Poindexter - Hot Hot Hot
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2023-01-28 12:12:44 PM  

p89tech: III) Believing that it is incumbent upon companies that make electric vehicles (and therefore profit from them) to provide honest research and guidance into dealing with problems like vehicle fires isn't "anti" (or even Leftist). It's to the benefit of Tesla to develop honest "best practices" for dealing with EV fires and to share that information freely with any fire depart that's interested.

  From a moral perspective, it's an obligation. From a PR perspective, it's a gold mine. From a liability control perspective, it's at worst neutral but likely helpful.


https://www.tesla.com/firstresponders
 
2023-01-28 12:51:36 PM  
putting out a lithium fire with water. mmhmm.

Right? I'd use gasoline, the anti-matter of EV cars
 
2023-01-28 1:10:17 PM  

scumm: putting out a lithium fire with water


is exactly what is recommended by Tesla and the other EV makers.

Lots and lots of water.
 
2023-01-28 3:03:11 PM  

p89tech: Also, I think Fark loves anything that is negative toward Elon or things Elon related. So it's not really EV's, it's Tesla.


I can see you haven't been in a lot of EV threads.
 
2023-01-28 3:29:08 PM  

centrifugal bumblepuppy: Fire Department to Tesla: hey, we could use some help

Tesla:


Help like what? If you're the fire department, you're the ones in charge of knowing how to and being equipped to put out fires of all types. If there are specific design remedies to prevent fires, say what they are.
 
2023-01-28 3:59:15 PM  

Likwit: p89tech: Also, I think Fark loves anything that is negative toward Elon or things Elon related. So it's not really EV's, it's Tesla.

I can see you haven't been in a lot of EV threads.


I'll concede that point.

I am just tired of it being such a political issue that anyone who raises a concern is instantly dismissed as a right wing Maga nut job, so therefore the issues are disregarded as fake.

On the other side, any valid criticism or concern is treated as a huge barrier and insurmountable obstacle to EV adoption.

It's annoying.
 
2023-01-28 4:07:29 PM  
doesn't Elmo know there's a drought on?
 
2023-01-28 5:20:20 PM  
Appalachian State University is HOT HOT HOT
Youtube pVENWl8uBeg
 
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