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(CNBC)   Five in-demand 'side hustles', better known as a second job   (cnbc.com) divider line
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2023-01-27 10:07:40 PM  
A website development side hustle?

Sure, that's not time intensive at all. I'll just fit that in during mealtime.
 
2023-01-27 11:25:10 PM  
If I'm making  $100,000 plus on my 'side hustle' why would I be working another job?
 
2023-01-27 11:31:34 PM  

chitownmike: If I'm making  $100,000 plus on my 'side hustle' why would I be working another job?


Because your first wife found out about your side piece.
 
2023-01-27 11:37:17 PM  
Those are all full-time jobs.
 
2023-01-27 11:51:47 PM  

Joe USer: A website development side hustle?

Sure, that's not time intensive at all. I'll just fit that in during mealtime.


I actually do some IT jobs on the side. Mostly mail or file-services migrations to cloud, or from one cloud service to another for small businesses. I made the mistake of accepting a website development job as an add-on for one of my other projects. They said they wanted a simple web page.

Never again. NEVER. AGAIN. 90 hours in I told them I wasn't the person for them and didn't charge them a dime. I even let them keep the WordPress site I had set up to that point, which was at least halfway done except they wouldn't just accept what a template had built in, so everything required custom coding to make the company president happy.

I told them they needed to find someone who did it for a living, then they were surprised they couldn't get a quote for under $20K. In the end one of their admin assistants used a Godaddy wizard to set up something that was "good enough."

If people think you are magic, they will demand magic. If people think you are an idiot, they will settle for "good enough." The admin assistant put together a better-looking website with a wizard in one day than I managed in three months because I'm assuming every single inane management request of "Couldn't we do this?" was met with "I don't know how to do that."

That admin assistant wasn't an idiot - she called occasionally for help but she could do what I could not: explain what the constraints were all the way up the chain and shut down bad ideas at the outset. I got my head up my own ass looking for a solution to problems that weren't problems, like "the menu bar needs to be five pixels smaller" and "if you mouseover the Contact Us button can it automatically open a mail client?"

As a bonus, said admin assistant became the IT person for the office a year later, which resulted in a nice pay raise. So it all worked out, because I was never going to deal with those people again.
 
2023-01-28 12:18:30 AM  
People need to come to terms with the fact that a lot of these tech jobs are going to be taken over by artificial intelligence. Website design? Coding? Mobile app dev? All in danger of being replaced by robots. And not in 100 years or 50 years or even 10 years... more like within the next 5 years.
 
2023-01-28 12:46:59 AM  
I want to side hustle as a speedo shorn  delivery guy.  Where do I sign up?
 
2023-01-28 1:27:59 AM  
Strange, I dont see any mention of Street Pharmacist as a viable "side hustle"
 
2023-01-28 2:19:32 AM  
Call it a side hustle and you only create the idea that its a lesser job. That's always the goals of these articles - to create the idea that there jobs that can universally be looked down on as a less than option to a "real job"
 
2023-01-28 3:48:53 AM  
These aren't side hustles. These are full time career gigs.
 
Azz
2023-01-28 3:58:08 AM  
The funniest thing to me about this article is it lists HTML, PHP and CSS as coding "skills"

Not today they aren't. Kids now emerge from the womb knowing the syntax for all of these before learning English
 
2023-01-28 4:59:55 AM  

SafetyThird: I want to side hustle as a speedo shorn  delivery guy.  Where do I sign up?


Grindr
 
2023-01-28 7:08:00 AM  
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2023-01-28 8:24:55 AM  

Moose out front: People need to come to terms with the fact that a lot of these tech jobs are going to be taken over by artificial intelligence. Website design? Coding? Mobile app dev? All in danger of being replaced by robots. And not in 100 years or 50 years or even 10 years... more like within the next 5 years.


As long as companies demand customization of out-of-the-box ERP software coding will be around. The last project I did for a D365 implementation, the client ended up with 5,000 lines of custom code.

/instead of selecting software that did what they needed
//and instead of picking a vendor that knew what they were doing
 
2023-01-28 8:40:42 AM  

Lsherm: Joe USer: A website development side hustle?

Sure, that's not time intensive at all. I'll just fit that in during mealtime.

I actually do some IT jobs on the side. Mostly mail or file-services migrations to cloud, or from one cloud service to another for small businesses. I made the mistake of accepting a website development job as an add-on for one of my other projects. They said they wanted a simple web page.

Never again. NEVER. AGAIN. 90 hours in I told them I wasn't the person for them and didn't charge them a dime. I even let them keep the WordPress site I had set up to that point, which was at least halfway done except they wouldn't just accept what a template had built in, so everything required custom coding to make the company president happy.

I told them they needed to find someone who did it for a living, then they were surprised they couldn't get a quote for under $20K. In the end one of their admin assistants used a Godaddy wizard to set up something that was "good enough."

If people think you are magic, they will demand magic. If people think you are an idiot, they will settle for "good enough." The admin assistant put together a better-looking website with a wizard in one day than I managed in three months because I'm assuming every single inane management request of "Couldn't we do this?" was met with "I don't know how to do that."

That admin assistant wasn't an idiot - she called occasionally for help but she could do what I could not: explain what the constraints were all the way up the chain and shut down bad ideas at the outset. I got my head up my own ass looking for a solution to problems that weren't problems, like "the menu bar needs to be five pixels smaller" and "if you mouseover the Contact Us button can it automatically open a mail client?"

As a bonus, said admin assistant became the IT person for the office a year later, which resulted in a nice pay raise. So it all worked out, because I was never going to deal with those people a ...


One thing I've learned over decades as a developer is to ALWAYS establish Minimum Viable Product (MVP) before starting work.  I ran into this issue at a previous employer because the "Business Analysts" (they were data analysts called BAs) didn't understand how to talk to stakeholders and gather requirements.  That led to them always coming back with "Couldn't you just..." or "We also need...", at which point I would push back by asking, "Is this a new requirement or a missed requirement".  That would always piss them off, but I was right.

Write up a Charter, perform Discovery, and then write up a presentation before starting the project.  Then, you have leverage to come back and remind them about MVP.  Any deviations mean delivery will be delayed, something will have to be removed, or the impact will be neglegible.
 
2023-01-28 8:42:14 AM  

Moose out front: People need to come to terms with the fact that a lot of these tech jobs are going to be taken over by artificial intelligence. Website design? Coding? Mobile app dev? All in danger of being replaced by robots. And not in 100 years or 50 years or even 10 years... more like within the next 5 years.


I bet you're also convinced Tesla's (long delayed) AI driving is "just around the corner".
 
2023-01-28 9:01:32 AM  

Joe USer: A website development side hustle?

Sure, that's not time intensive at all. I'll just fit that in during mealtime.


Ummm...yeah, sounds about right.

Have you never done small scale website development?
 
2023-01-28 9:52:39 AM  
I know someone who is a full time web developer.  Graduated in the mid-90s in the first class of web focused graphics design majors, and is the only one I know out of five who still does that for a living.
She has done user experience design for smartphone apps, they don't pay anywhere near what TFA says.  She maybe made a few thousand dollars from each project.  It grew old fast, how long does anyone want to work 65+ hours a week?
 
2023-01-28 10:32:52 AM  
I don't think you're going to get the salary posted if you expect to do these jobs as a "side hustle."
 
2023-01-28 10:35:50 AM  
TFA is an ad.
 
2023-01-28 10:44:25 AM  

BMFPitt: Joe USer: A website development side hustle?

Sure, that's not time intensive at all. I'll just fit that in during mealtime.

Ummm...yeah, sounds about right.

Have you never done small scale website development?


Small site development that pays $100k a year and can be done in a couple of hours per day?

I'll take those jobs, where can I find them?
 
2023-01-28 1:59:25 PM  

Moose out front: People need to come to terms with the fact that a lot of these tech jobs are going to be taken over by artificial intelligence. Website design? Coding? Mobile app dev? All in danger of being replaced by robots. And not in 100 years or 50 years or even 10 years... more like within the next 5 years.


Hey, people still get paid to learn Latin and ancient Greek.
 
2023-01-28 2:13:37 PM  

Joe USer: Small site development that pays $100k a year and can be done in a couple of hours per day?

I'll take those jobs, where can I find them?


In clickbait articles, of course.
 
2023-01-28 2:18:32 PM  

Chief Superintendent Lookout: Moose out front: People need to come to terms with the fact that a lot of these tech jobs are going to be taken over by artificial intelligence. Website design? Coding? Mobile app dev? All in danger of being replaced by robots. And not in 100 years or 50 years or even 10 years... more like within the next 5 years.

I bet you're also convinced Tesla's (long delayed) AI driving is "just around the corner".


Tesla's robot driving is a joke and always has been.

ChatGPT, on the other hand, has already been writing journalism articles for months now, with nobody noticing the difference. It's also successfully written software code. The robots are creating their own robots.
 
2023-01-28 2:45:45 PM  

BMFPitt: Joe USer: Small site development that pays $100k a year and can be done in a couple of hours per day?

I'll take those jobs, where can I find them?

In clickbait articles, of course.


That was an article? I thought it was a PR release for Freelancer.
 
2023-01-28 2:46:15 PM  

Joe USer: BMFPitt: Joe USer: Small site development that pays $100k a year and can be done in a couple of hours per day?

I'll take those jobs, where can I find them?

In clickbait articles, of course.

That was an article? I thought it was a PR release for Freelancer.


PR piece. Not press release release.
 
2023-01-28 3:59:39 PM  

Moose out front: Chief Superintendent Lookout: Moose out front: People need to come to terms with the fact that a lot of these tech jobs are going to be taken over by artificial intelligence. Website design? Coding? Mobile app dev? All in danger of being replaced by robots. And not in 100 years or 50 years or even 10 years... more like within the next 5 years.

I bet you're also convinced Tesla's (long delayed) AI driving is "just around the corner".

Tesla's robot driving is a joke and always has been.

ChatGPT, on the other hand, has already been writing journalism articles for months now, with nobody noticing the difference. It's also successfully written software code. The robots are creating their own robots.


You keep telling yourself that.
 
2023-01-28 4:49:16 PM  
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2023-01-28 5:10:18 PM  

Moose out front: Chief Superintendent Lookout: Moose out front: People need to come to terms with the fact that a lot of these tech jobs are going to be taken over by artificial intelligence. Website design? Coding? Mobile app dev? All in danger of being replaced by robots. And not in 100 years or 50 years or even 10 years... more like within the next 5 years.

I bet you're also convinced Tesla's (long delayed) AI driving is "just around the corner".

Tesla's robot driving is a joke and always has been.

ChatGPT, on the other hand, has already been writing journalism articles for months now, with nobody noticing the difference. It's also successfully written software code. The robots are creating their own robots.


ChatGPT writes pretty inconsistent, unoptomized, and insecure code.

For now, at least.

There's going to be a market for people to clean up AI written code for the next few years at a minimum.
 
2023-01-28 5:31:59 PM  

Moose out front: People need to come to terms with the fact that a lot of these tech jobs are going to be taken over by artificial intelligence. Website design? Coding? Mobile app dev? All in danger of being replaced by robots. And not in 100 years or 50 years or even 10 years... more like within the next 5 years.


People have been claiming the same thing since the first huge AI bubble back in 60s.

And let's not discount the large amount of AI that is already being used in industry. From compiler optimizations to the auto-refactoring that makes my code better, to the search algorithms that make it so I can find the solution to my problems.

All of this things increased developer productivity, but it didn't decrease demand. We just have more complex software.

ChatGPT is the elephant in the room. It's really good at what it does. It's impressive. And it can spit out lots of impressive code...but that's mostly because we ask it the same questions. If you tell it to make a function that generates prime numbers, it can do that because it's already seen many examples of it.

It can solve old popular interview questions because it learned the answers already and because they are designed to be simple with very little context needed to answer.

For, at least, a decade, you could just Google these questions and find the answer. Now ChatGPT can generate the answer. Cool.

Can ChatGPT generate a simple website for a generic business? Absolutely. But so can tons of existing tools. There are tons of tools that require zero coding and you can have a professional looking site up in minutes. You can already go on Fivver and get these types of jobs done.

But it hasn't destroyed the industry.

Put simply, if ChatGPT and similar AIs are written by humans either...

1 - The AI isn't as good as humans

Or

2 - The AI is better and can write a better AI than ChatGPT

If we are in scenario #1 software engineers will continue to do stuff, but will leverage AI to increase productivity. In turn, we will see more complex/better/more feature rich software....

If we are in scenario #2 - we are basically living in a Sci-Fi movie. The Singularity is real. ChatGPT would generate ChatGPTvNext and, by definition, we know that this new AI would be better than what we could write. And since the new AI is better, it could generate an even better AI. Etc etc etc

You can pick whichever sci-fi/Phil 101 outcome you think is the most likely. But an AI that can fully replace programmers would be able to replace any knowledge worker. And because the AI would be better than humans, all sorts of assumptions we have about the future are likely to be wrong.

In such a scenario, everything becomes 'at risk'. The only thing preventing the automation/AI replacement of physical jobs is the cost and limitations of the robots we can produce. We do have some amazing robots, but they are costly.

But the AI will be smarter than us. We should expect advances in EVERYTHING. We struggle with self-driving cars, but the AI is better than us. It can make better software, it can make better hardware. It can make a better AI...it will be able to automate things we can't.

Depending on how exactly you define it, there are about 70-100 million knowledge workers in the US. That's more than half of the workforce. Even if the AI only replaced them; everything would change. On a scale and timeline not experienced in recorded history.

Regular people can't prepare for that in a meaningful way. If you are rich, sure, buy some land and stockpile for the future. Regular people? It's like global warming...try to vote for sane people...hope for the best, but it's not like you can quit your job as a dev and go somewhere else and avoid the whole AI situation.

At best, you would buy a few years before either AI takes over your job, or the mass wave of half of all workers flood your labor pool.
 
2023-01-28 5:51:55 PM  

Azz: The funniest thing to me about this article is it lists HTML, PHP and CSS as coding "skills"

Not today they aren't. Kids now emerge from the womb knowing the syntax for all of these before learning English


Does any write in actual raw html anymore? Back 20+ years ago I wrote a wrapper Perl script to convert plain text into properly formatted hrml table. Now, that's just a button cluck on any spreadsheet app.
 
2023-01-28 8:07:04 PM  
I've been piling on the freelance work like mad lately on top of my day job

The end result? I got a little extra money and I overworked myself into being sick and will be visiting my GP first thing Monday morning
 
2023-01-28 8:07:52 PM  

dericwater: Azz: The funniest thing to me about this article is it lists HTML, PHP and CSS as coding "skills"

Not today they aren't. Kids now emerge from the womb knowing the syntax for all of these before learning English

Does any write in actual raw html anymore? Back 20+ years ago I wrote a wrapper Perl script to convert plain text into properly formatted hrml table. Now, that's just a button cluck on any spreadsheet app.


If I get really bored I code old school html pages on my Linux machine just to see how much I remember

Mostly all the text effects that were really popular in the early 2000s
 
2023-01-28 11:36:27 PM  
They are way off on the "side gig" rates.  Web site/UX type stuff is in the low dollars per hour as a side gig if you have to compete world wide.

Game developer side gig stuff is all paid like an intern with a promise if you are very, very good, you might get a low paying job for 80 hours a week to truly show your value to the company.

Coding isn't a side job unless that is also your daytime job.

Does app development even make money these days?

Oh look, they put web stuff in a 3rd time.  Anyone want to update a web site for a street performer or band?  They won't pay much but at least they won't ask you to work for exposure.  I host about 50 web sites for artists and in the past five years I've been paid by almost 5 of them.  Not anything like a monthly fee or even the domain name costs but mostly free tickets to shows. The best gives me drinks from the green room after their shows and their web site availability over 2 decades is better than 99.99975%
 
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