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(Some North Dakodan, eh)   North Dakota threatens to sue Minnesota if the Gopher State adopts green energy plan which would devastate North Dakota's fossil fuel reven-- er, "hinder its utilities"   (minnesotareformer.com) divider line
    More: Stupid, Government, Majority, Minnesota, Natural gas, Electricity, Commerce Clause, Electric generator, Legislature  
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1846 clicks; posted to Politics » on 27 Jan 2023 at 1:12 PM (7 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2023-01-27 12:10:56 PM  
It'll be North Minnesota before we're through reaming all 4 of their residents out for wasting our time.
 
2023-01-27 12:18:49 PM  
North Dakota...
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2023-01-27 12:21:28 PM  
Those freedom lovers sure like stealing it.
 
2023-01-27 12:27:02 PM  

edmo: Those freedom lovers sure like stealing it.


Well, it's like the Sturgis rally in South Dakota. It's like half of their yearly tax revenue and if they don't get it they won't be able to pave their 3 roads.
 
2023-01-27 12:43:42 PM  
I've spent a large chunk of my adult life in North Dakota. That state made so much money from oil and gas. $26 billion in just taxes on the production since 2008. You'd think that money would have been invested in making North Dakota more prosperous. Education, infrastructure, almost anything right? They squandered it. Barely any improvements. Logistically, North Dakota is like Florida. Very few durable goods are made there. Lots of stuff coming in, very few going out. With the space they have they could easily be #1 in closed loop hydro power generation. There's plenty of wind there, evidenced by all the windmills, but they're so shortsighted. North Dakota is WV with a colder climate
 
2023-01-27 1:11:28 PM  

OilfieldDrunk: I've spent a large chunk of my adult life in North Dakota. That state made so much money from oil and gas. $26 billion in just taxes on the production since 2008. You'd think that money would have been invested in making North Dakota more prosperous. Education, infrastructure, almost anything right? They squandered it. Barely any improvements. Logistically, North Dakota is like Florida. Very few durable goods are made there. Lots of stuff coming in, very few going out. With the space they have they could easily be #1 in closed loop hydro power generation. There's plenty of wind there, evidenced by all the windmills, but they're so shortsighted. North Dakota is WV with a colder climate


In another life I asked around over there with the universities if they've seen any extra enrollment with all the people coming in to work the fields and they all said no. LOL!

I wouldn't say it was all squandered. The state parks for instance got some investment they'd been lacking.
 
2023-01-27 1:12:41 PM  
All those stupid oil jobs...
 
2023-01-27 1:16:14 PM  
North Dakota is a real place?!?! I figure it was some imaginary, hellish place parents use to scare their kids when they act up, like South Dakota or Idaho.
 
2023-01-27 1:20:34 PM  
Let's have their NFL teams decide the winner.
I'll wait...

Announcer: *holds earpiece*
"The North Dakota Dickheads have forfeited the game already!"
 
2023-01-27 1:21:34 PM  
North Dakota don't like change.
 
2023-01-27 1:22:00 PM  
Just because you have something for sale doesn't mean you have a God-given right to customers.

If we don't need your product, we don't have to buy it.

F*ck these entitled leeches.
 
2023-01-27 1:22:13 PM  
States' rights!
 
2023-01-27 1:25:01 PM  
It's depressing watching North Dakota's tourism commercials and thinking 'That's actually someone's idea of a vacation.'
 
2023-01-27 1:25:34 PM  
This is kinda like me buying eggs from Kroger then switching to veganism, and being sued by Kroger for switching to veganism.
 
2023-01-27 1:28:01 PM  
The party of small government and freedom.

Small enough to get inside a woman's reproductive organs, and the freedom to make the decision they want you to make, or they'll sue or assault you.
 
2023-01-27 1:28:49 PM  
Good luck with that
 
2023-01-27 1:29:09 PM  

Serious Black: States' rights!


Your right.

If only there were some sort of national government that handled interstate trade the GQP could get behind.
 
2023-01-27 1:29:15 PM  
I thought the picture featured Moron County, North Dakota. If I read the article I guess I might have been right.
 
2023-01-27 1:29:22 PM  

dylanthomas: It's depressing watching North Dakota's tourism commercials and thinking 'That's actually someone's idea of a vacation.'


At least the Nebraska ones poke fun at itself.

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2023-01-27 1:32:10 PM  
Oh no, I hope this don't mean the state will turn into a desolate wasteland where no one wants to live
 
2023-01-27 1:32:38 PM  
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2023-01-27 1:32:58 PM  

dylanthomas: It's depressing watching North Dakota's tourism commercials and thinking 'That's actually someone's idea of a vacation.'


From the pictures I've seen, it looks like Afghanistan with abandoned gas stations, biker bars, and tin roof huts. A place for people who think rural Nevada is too fancy pants and high falootin'.
 
2023-01-27 1:33:10 PM  
Yeah, good luck with that best Dakota
 
2023-01-27 1:34:33 PM  
A guide to the Minnesota DFL's 100% carbon-free standard | MinnPost

Enough loopholes for everyone!
You get a loophole!  You get a loophole!  Everyone gets a loophole!
 
2023-01-27 1:35:54 PM  

dylanthomas: It's depressing watching North Dakota's tourism commercials and thinking 'That's actually someone's idea of a vacation.'


Some people dip white bread in milk and call it lunch.
 
2023-01-27 1:37:16 PM  
There's a "gopher state?"

Like the little muppet from Caddyshack? How many are there?
 
2023-01-27 1:38:17 PM  
So they tried this with coal and were sued and the Supreme Court ruled against Minnesota.  This sounds like basically the same thing and with Dude Brow and the Handmaid on the Supreme Court, I would expect a similar outcome.

That being said, I don't really understand the rationale that prevents states from passing laws concerning their own powergrid.  Can some smarter Farker explain?
 
2023-01-27 1:39:24 PM  

Mrtraveler01: dylanthomas: It's depressing watching North Dakota's tourism commercials and thinking 'That's actually someone's idea of a vacation.'

At least the Nebraska ones poke fun at itself.

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Haven't seen those in the Twin Cities yet, mostly those creepy fossil ones.
 
2023-01-27 1:39:38 PM  
Fun fact: When one state sues another, the Supreme Court gets original jurisdiction.

If those guys are really serious about originalism and states rights, ND has a laughably weak case. If.
 
2023-01-27 1:40:58 PM  

sleze: So they tried this with coal and were sued and the Supreme Court ruled against Minnesota.  This sounds like basically the same thing and with Dude Brow and the Handmaid on the Supreme Court, I would expect a similar outcome.

That being said, I don't really understand the rationale that prevents states from passing laws concerning their own powergrid.  Can some smarter Farker explain?


Clearly according to The Supremes some businesses do have a God-given right to customers.

Which businesses those might be is an exercise left to the reader.
 
2023-01-27 1:40:59 PM  
Republicans: we love the free market.
[market goes a direction that doesn't benefit them]
Republicans: no, not like that!
 
2023-01-27 1:43:36 PM  
North Dakota

Pretty song.
 
2023-01-27 1:44:28 PM  

DannyBrandt: There's a "gopher state?"

Like the little muppet from Caddyshack? How many are there?


Goldie has his eye on you, mister.  I don't think I've ever actually seen a real live gopher, they are very small, very fast and lets face it, underground half the time.

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2023-01-27 1:48:00 PM  

kling_klang_bed: dylanthomas: It's depressing watching North Dakota's tourism commercials and thinking 'That's actually someone's idea of a vacation.'

From the pictures I've seen, it looks like Afghanistan with abandoned gas stations, biker bars, and tin roof huts. A place for people who think rural Nevada is too fancy pants and high falootin'.


It's flatter than Afghanistan.
 
2023-01-27 1:48:23 PM  
The Turtle Mountains (ha!) are pretty nice.
Lake Sacajawea is pretty nice.
The badlands are pretty nice.
Pretty good field hunting in places.
Indian casinos.
People are pretty nice, too. *

* Limited offer for white and straight folks.
 
2023-01-27 1:49:21 PM  
If my former state could please go ONE day without being a total embarrassment, that'd be nice.

/April of next year will be 20 since I escaped
//Never once regretted leaving
///Praise Jeebus that my mom is moving out of there this Summer.  I'll never have to go back to that farcking shiathole ever again.
 
2023-01-27 1:51:14 PM  
Maybe you should incentivize residents of North Dakota to sue residents of Minnesota who use solar power or drive an electric car.

It's a controversial legal strategy that has a lot of fans across the country.
 
2023-01-27 1:51:45 PM  

dylanthomas: DannyBrandt: There's a "gopher state?"

Like the little muppet from Caddyshack? How many are there?

Goldie has his eye on you, mister.  I don't think I've ever actually seen a real live gopher, they are very small, very fast and lets face it, underground half the time.

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Doesn't everyone remember Jerry Lundegard in Fargo, in the process of consulting with his boss on a car sale, say, 'So, ya goin to da Gopher game?'
 
2023-01-27 1:53:29 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: It's a controversial legal strategy that has a lot of fans across the country.


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2023-01-27 1:54:21 PM  
So... has anyone figured out the grounds for this potential lawsuit?  Blocking interstate commerce?

Because, if Republicans REALLY want to strengthen the Elastic Clause of the Constitution, well...  I'm not sure they've thought their cunning plan through.
 
2023-01-27 1:57:42 PM  
Speaking as a Minnesotan, I have something to say to our neighbors to the west....

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2023-01-27 2:02:52 PM  

dylanthomas: DannyBrandt: There's a "gopher state?"

Like the little muppet from Caddyshack? How many are there?

Goldie has his eye on you, mister.  I don't think I've ever actually seen a real live gopher, they are very small, very fast and lets face it, underground half the time.

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And I got something for Goldie:

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2023-01-27 2:07:46 PM  

kling_klang_bed: North Dakota is a real place?!?! I figure it was some imaginary, hellish place parents use to scare their kids when they act up, like South Dakota or Idaho.


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2023-01-27 2:07:52 PM  
redstate: STATES' RIGHTS!!

also redstate: no not like that
 
2023-01-27 2:10:32 PM  

sleze: So they tried this with coal and were sued and the Supreme Court ruled against Minnesota.  This sounds like basically the same thing and with Dude Brow and the Handmaid on the Supreme Court, I would expect a similar outcome.

That being said, I don't really understand the rationale that prevents states from passing laws concerning their own powergrid.  Can some smarter Farker explain?


I don't know if I'm smart, but IAAL.

The U.S. Constitution gives Congress the right to regulate interstate commerce. This is known as the commerce clause.
Over the years, courts created a doctrine called the "dormant commerce clause," reasoning that if Congress can regulate commerce between the states, then the states cannot do so.

Sometimes the dormant commerce clause leads to good results. For example, a state passes a law that says only X made here in this state can be sold by grocery stores in this state. Or, only wines made here in Tennessee can be sold in Tennessee.  You get the idea. Courts strike those laws down as violating the dormant commerce clause.

There are some exceptions: bona fide health and safety. Or residency breaks on state government funded things like public university.

Here, ND will argue that by singling out coal, MN it is effectively regulating commerce by targeting ND's primary export and, in essence, saying what other states can make.  It's not a frivolous legal argument.  ND is guilty of bad policy, but its legal argument is sound. Sadly.
 
2023-01-27 2:14:38 PM  

Serious Black: States' rights!


That doesn't even scratch the surface of this particular bit of insanity.  It's like a drug dealer complaining to the police that the city opened a methadone clinic.  The judge would smack them into Montana.
 
2023-01-27 2:18:40 PM  
Wanna know why Minnesota is so windy? North Dakota blows and Wisconsin sucks.
 
2023-01-27 2:22:58 PM  

Gunboat: sleze: So they tried this with coal and were sued and the Supreme Court ruled against Minnesota.  This sounds like basically the same thing and with Dude Brow and the Handmaid on the Supreme Court, I would expect a similar outcome.

That being said, I don't really understand the rationale that prevents states from passing laws concerning their own powergrid.  Can some smarter Farker explain?

I don't know if I'm smart, but IAAL.

The U.S. Constitution gives Congress the right to regulate interstate commerce. This is known as the commerce clause.
Over the years, courts created a doctrine called the "dormant commerce clause," reasoning that if Congress can regulate commerce between the states, then the states cannot do so.

Sometimes the dormant commerce clause leads to good results. For example, a state passes a law that says only X made here in this state can be sold by grocery stores in this state. Or, only wines made here in Tennessee can be sold in Tennessee.  You get the idea. Courts strike those laws down as violating the dormant commerce clause.

There are some exceptions: bona fide health and safety. Or residency breaks on state government funded things like public university.

Here, ND will argue that by singling out coal, MN it is effectively regulating commerce by targeting ND's primary export and, in essence, saying what other states can make.  It's not a frivolous legal argument.  ND is guilty of bad policy, but its legal argument is sound. Sadly.


Not objecting, just curious, but how is this saying what ND can make when it would not impede ND's selling to other states? California does essentially the same thing by banning sales of products with certain cancer causing elements from other states. It seems to me they are not telling ND what to do, rather they are saying what MN will not broker in the future.
 
2023-01-27 2:29:11 PM  
buggy whip makers attempt to outlaw internal combustion engine in bid to remain relevant to the market.
 
2023-01-27 2:33:49 PM  

Markus5: The Turtle Mountains (ha!) are pretty nice.
Lake Sacajawea is pretty nice.
The badlands are pretty nice.
Pretty good field hunting in places.
Indian casinos.
People are pretty nice, too. *

* Limited offer for white and straight folks.


Badlands is in Worst Dakota.

And is it really hunting if the damn pheasants run out in front of your car?
 
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