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2023-01-27 12:39:34 PM  
Umm, not really sure I'd put Hurts into the same group as Mahomes and Burrow.  Burrow was a #1 pick, Mahomes was #10 and both were slated to be The Chosen One for their team the day they were drafted.

Hurts was drafted as a backup in the second round, and there were a lot of people claiming the Eagles had wasted the pick since they'd already gotten their Chosen One in Wentz.  Hurts began the season on the third string and only moved up because folks thought he could be used on gadget plays.  As this season started there were more than a few people who were convinced he wasn't a starting QB and that the Eagles would be using both their first round 2023 drafts picks to get a #1.

/Can use the draft picks elsewhere
//Will need cheap help since Hurts is going to get paid
 
2023-01-27 12:41:53 PM  
Why do I have the feeling that come Monday, Brock Purdy will once again be "Mr. Irrelevant"?
 
2023-01-27 12:43:04 PM  
In the 2018 NFL draft the then-Super Bowl champion Philadelphia Eagles drafted a head scratch 'project' at #233 in the 7th round.

I've learned not to place too much emphasis on the position a player is selected.

I'm impressed with Brock Purdy's performance to date and I expect him and his team to play well this Sunday.

I expect Jalen Hurts and his team to play better and win.
 
2023-01-27 12:49:36 PM  
I'm happy for Purdy.   He's making the most of his shot.  He and Breece Hall (who would likely be in the ROTY discussion barring injury) gave us Cyclone fans some of the best years of football we've ever seen.   He's a smart player.   He's not the most athletic or gifted guy, but he can play, and he fits in well to the 49ers offense.
 
2023-01-27 12:52:40 PM  

Nuc_E: I'm happy for Purdy.   He's making the most of his shot.  He and Breece Hall (who would likely be in the ROTY discussion barring injury) gave us Cyclone fans some of the best years of football we've ever seen.   He's a smart player.   He's not the most athletic or gifted guy, but he can play, and he fits in well to the 49ers offense.


Saw both of them chew up my longhorns for years. They a both really good ball players. The biggest problem in playing for Iowa State, is that or is in Iowa
 
2023-01-27 12:56:47 PM  

Glockenspiel Hero: Umm, not really sure I'd put Hurts into the same group as Mahomes and Burrow.  Burrow was a #1 pick, Mahomes was #10 and both were slated to be The Chosen One for their team the day they were drafted.

Hurts was drafted as a backup in the second round, and there were a lot of people claiming the Eagles had wasted the pick since they'd already gotten their Chosen One in Wentz.  Hurts began the season on the third string and only moved up because folks thought he could be used on gadget plays.  As this season started there were more than a few people who were convinced he wasn't a starting QB and that the Eagles would be using both their first round 2023 drafts picks to get a #1.

/Can use the draft picks elsewhere
//Will need cheap help since Hurts is going to get paid


Yeah, was thinking the same thing.  Even their description of Hurts in the first paragraph doesn't match up to what they say about Burrow and Mahomes.

the Alabama-to-Oklahoma standout whose 35 total touchdowns helped keep the Philadelphia Eagles at the top of their conference all season long

I mean the reason he went from Alabama to Oklahoma is because he lost his starting job to Tua.  And as you mentioned, he still had plenty of doubters coming into this season, and even still does in the likes of people like Chris Simms despite being an MVP candidate.

Purdy is obviously the better story overall.  I'm just agreeing that lumping Hurts in with the other two was a bit of a reach.
 
2023-01-27 12:59:26 PM  

iamskibibitz: Why do I have the feeling that come Monday, Brock Purdy will once again be "Mr. Irrelevant"?


He'll be in the starting QB discussion for the Niners next year.
 
2023-01-27 1:46:48 PM  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: Glockenspiel Hero: Umm, not really sure I'd put Hurts into the same group as Mahomes and Burrow.  Burrow was a #1 pick, Mahomes was #10 and both were slated to be The Chosen One for their team the day they were drafted.

Hurts was drafted as a backup in the second round, and there were a lot of people claiming the Eagles had wasted the pick since they'd already gotten their Chosen One in Wentz.  Hurts began the season on the third string and only moved up because folks thought he could be used on gadget plays.  As this season started there were more than a few people who were convinced he wasn't a starting QB and that the Eagles would be using both their first round 2023 drafts picks to get a #1.

/Can use the draft picks elsewhere
//Will need cheap help since Hurts is going to get paid

Yeah, was thinking the same thing.  Even their description of Hurts in the first paragraph doesn't match up to what they say about Burrow and Mahomes.

the Alabama-to-Oklahoma standout whose 35 total touchdowns helped keep the Philadelphia Eagles at the top of their conference all season long

I mean the reason he went from Alabama to Oklahoma is because he lost his starting job to Tua.  And as you mentioned, he still had plenty of doubters coming into this season, and even still does in the likes of people like Chris Simms despite being an MVP candidate.

Purdy is obviously the better story overall.  I'm just agreeing that lumping Hurts in with the other two was a bit of a reach.


Of course Chris Simms doubts Jalen Hurts - he probably draws some sort of correlation between Hurts and the more-deserving Major Applewhite that he replaced during his Longhorn days.
Simms never would've been a major college starter (let alone an NFL player) without his last name. (He also looks like discount Jake Busey, though I acknowledge that's more of a "me" issue than a "him" issue.)
 
2023-01-27 1:57:38 PM  

Dafatone: iamskibibitz: Why do I have the feeling that come Monday, Brock Purdy will once again be "Mr. Irrelevant"?

He'll be in the starting QB discussion for the Niners next year.


Agreed. Even if they lose this weekend, he's earned at least a chance to compete for that job. Trey Lance is probably trade bait (through no fault of his own, but them's the breaks.)
 
2023-01-27 1:58:15 PM  

Dafatone: iamskibibitz: Why do I have the feeling that come Monday, Brock Purdy will once again be "Mr. Irrelevant"?

He'll be in the starting QB discussion for the Niners next year.


There won't/shouldn't be a conversation. Jimmy G is a UFA, so he is gone, and the team gets nothing out of him. They can choose between Lance and Purdy, but one of them will probably demand a trade. I'd stick with the guy who has performed better, and done it under massive pressure. They would be far better off trading Lance sooner rather than later and getting something of value while they can. Purdy will definitely be looking for a raise this off season, and he absolutely deserves it. Bring in a vet as a backup and draft another late round QB to be the #3.
 
2023-01-27 2:09:36 PM  

iron_city_ap: There won't/shouldn't be a conversation. Jimmy G is a UFA, so he is gone, and the team gets nothing out of him. They can choose between Lance and Purdy, but one of them will probably demand a trade. I'd stick with the guy who has performed better, and done it under massive pressure. They would be far better off trading Lance sooner rather than later and getting something of value while they can. Purdy will definitely be looking for a raise this off season, and he absolutely deserves it. Bring in a vet as a backup and draft another late round QB to be the #3.


I believe Lance wants out.  Even if Lance is the starting QB as long as Purdy is there the first time Lance screws up the chants will be heard.

Purdy's story is close to, but not as good as Kurt Warner's.
 
2023-01-27 2:15:12 PM  

iron_city_ap: Dafatone: iamskibibitz: Why do I have the feeling that come Monday, Brock Purdy will once again be "Mr. Irrelevant"?

He'll be in the starting QB discussion for the Niners next year.

There won't/shouldn't be a conversation. Jimmy G is a UFA, so he is gone, and the team gets nothing out of him. They can choose between Lance and Purdy, but one of them will probably demand a trade. I'd stick with the guy who has performed better, and done it under massive pressure. They would be far better off trading Lance sooner rather than later and getting something of value while they can. Purdy will definitely be looking for a raise this off season, and he absolutely deserves it. Bring in a vet as a backup and draft another late round QB to be the #3.


Aren't Lance and Purdy both on rookie contracts? I think the Niners likely trade Lance, but he can't exactly demand it. I guess he could hold out.
 
2023-01-27 2:19:28 PM  

Dafatone: Aren't Lance and Purdy both on rookie contracts? I think the Niners likely trade Lance, but he can't exactly demand it. I guess he could hold out.


Lance 4 year/34 million all guaranteed.  Purdy 4 year/3.7 million, less than 100k guaranteed.  If they can move Lance that gives them picks and money to play with on a team that is already fairly solid.
 
2023-01-27 2:28:32 PM  

iamskibibitz: Why do I have the feeling that come Monday, Brock Purdy will once again be "Mr. Irrelevant"?


No matter what happens on Sunday, Purdy will be the presumptive starting QB for the Niners at the start of next season (over "Mr. Let's trade away all of our draft picks for years to come in order to draft this guy," Tray Lance) which is hardly "irrelevant."
 
2023-01-27 2:28:56 PM  

iron_city_ap: Dafatone: iamskibibitz: Why do I have the feeling that come Monday, Brock Purdy will once again be "Mr. Irrelevant"?

He'll be in the starting QB discussion for the Niners next year.

There won't/shouldn't be a conversation. Jimmy G is a UFA, so he is gone, and the team gets nothing out of him. They can choose between Lance and Purdy, but one of them will probably demand a trade. I'd stick with the guy who has performed better, and done it under massive pressure. They would be far better off trading Lance sooner rather than later and getting something of value while they can. Purdy will definitely be looking for a raise this off season, and he absolutely deserves it. Bring in a vet as a backup and draft another late round QB to be the #3.


That answers my questions too.  Wasn't sure how Jimmy G fit in the equation.
 
2023-01-27 2:45:30 PM  

mjbok: Dafatone: Aren't Lance and Purdy both on rookie contracts? I think the Niners likely trade Lance, but he can't exactly demand it. I guess he could hold out.

Lance 4 year/34 million all guaranteed.  Purdy 4 year/3.7 million, less than 100k guaranteed.  If they can move Lance that gives them picks and money to play with on a team that is already fairly solid.


My gut says Purdy is a serviceable quarterback but not a starter. He is no Dan Marino. More like Trent Dilfer. He plays mistake free football, which is good enough for the team he is on. To be a long time starter, he will need to be a playmaker, which I don't think he has shown himself to be. Maybe that is all SF needs for the next 3 to 4 years.
 
2023-01-27 2:50:41 PM  

tedduque: mjbok: Dafatone: Aren't Lance and Purdy both on rookie contracts? I think the Niners likely trade Lance, but he can't exactly demand it. I guess he could hold out.

Lance 4 year/34 million all guaranteed.  Purdy 4 year/3.7 million, less than 100k guaranteed.  If they can move Lance that gives them picks and money to play with on a team that is already fairly solid.

My gut says Purdy is a serviceable quarterback but not a starter. He is no Dan Marino. More like Trent Dilfer. He plays mistake free football, which is good enough for the team he is on. To be a long time starter, he will need to be a playmaker, which I don't think he has shown himself to be. Maybe that is all SF needs for the next 3 to 4 years.


It's hard to say, because SF is such a qb friendly system (functional line, great rush attack, all sorts of weapons). But Purdy has made some plays and gotten some balls in tight windows.
 
2023-01-27 3:17:11 PM  

Cyberluddite: iamskibibitz: Why do I have the feeling that come Monday, Brock Purdy will once again be "Mr. Irrelevant"?

No matter what happens on Sunday, Purdy will be the presumptive starting QB for the Niners at the start of next season (over "Mr. Let's trade away all of our draft picks for years to come in order to draft this guy," Tray Lance) which is hardly "irrelevant."


If Purdy goes full Delhomme on Sunday his career will be over, but I think it has to be that level of bad for him to not be the presumptive starter next year.
 
2023-01-27 3:33:55 PM  

Klivian: Cyberluddite: iamskibibitz: Why do I have the feeling that come Monday, Brock Purdy will once again be "Mr. Irrelevant"?

No matter what happens on Sunday, Purdy will be the presumptive starting QB for the Niners at the start of next season (over "Mr. Let's trade away all of our draft picks for years to come in order to draft this guy," Tray Lance) which is hardly "irrelevant."

If Purdy goes full Delhomme on Sunday his career will be over, but I think it has to be that level of bad for him to not be the presumptive starter next year.


Unlikely.  Purdy doesn't even have a full Delhomme for his career, let alone in a game--since he took over as the Niners starter, he's thrown 3 INTs versus 16 TDs.  No reason to think that would suddenly switch to a Jake on Sunday.
 
2023-01-27 3:41:58 PM  
Something about this story sounds so familiar.........

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2023-01-27 4:08:30 PM  

mjbok: Purdy's story is close to, but not as good as Kurt Warner's.


Yes but is he a religious wacko?
 
2023-01-27 4:21:32 PM  
tedduque:  My gut says Purdy is a serviceable quarterback but not a starter. He is no Dan Marino. More like Trent Dilfer. He plays mistake free football, which is good enough for the team he is on. To be a long time starter, he will need to be a playmaker, which I don't think he has shown himself to be.


Hasn't he won 7 in a row, including a playoff game?
 
2023-01-27 4:53:06 PM  

Hinged: tedduque:  My gut says Purdy is a serviceable quarterback but not a starter. He is no Dan Marino. More like Trent Dilfer. He plays mistake free football, which is good enough for the team he is on. To be a long time starter, he will need to be a playmaker, which I don't think he has shown himself to be.


Hasn't he won 7 in a row, including a playoff game?


2 playoff games.

I'm going to be interested to see how he does- so far he's looked really good and maybe he's Brady 2.0.  Or perhaps he's just benefiting from possibly the single best team in the NFL for a limited QB- great defense, solid O-line and good running game.

Seeing Mr Irrelevant become a world beater would be amusing, so long as he shows off why he was the last pick this Sunday
 
2023-01-27 5:15:32 PM  

tedduque: mjbok: Dafatone: Aren't Lance and Purdy both on rookie contracts? I think the Niners likely trade Lance, but he can't exactly demand it. I guess he could hold out.

Lance 4 year/34 million all guaranteed.  Purdy 4 year/3.7 million, less than 100k guaranteed.  If they can move Lance that gives them picks and money to play with on a team that is already fairly solid.

My gut says Purdy is a serviceable quarterback but not a starter. He is no Dan Marino. More like Trent Dilfer. He plays mistake free football, which is good enough for the team he is on. To be a long time starter, he will need to be a playmaker, which I don't think he has shown himself to be. Maybe that is all SF needs for the next 3 to 4 years.


Hmmm... What does Dilfer have, Purdy could get, but Marino never will?
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2023-01-27 5:19:53 PM  

Glockenspiel Hero: Hinged: tedduque:  My gut says Purdy is a serviceable quarterback but not a starter. He is no Dan Marino. More like Trent Dilfer. He plays mistake free football, which is good enough for the team he is on. To be a long time starter, he will need to be a playmaker, which I don't think he has shown himself to be.


Hasn't he won 7 in a row, including a playoff game?

2 playoff games.

I'm going to be interested to see how he does- so far he's looked really good and maybe he's Brady 2.0.  Or perhaps he's just benefiting from possibly the single best team in the NFL for a limited QB- great defense, solid O-line and good running game.

Seeing Mr Irrelevant become a world beater would be amusing, so long as he shows off why he was the last pick this Sunday


Those 3 things you mention are precisely what Brady took advantage of to win SB36.  Brady was a limited QB back then in terms of tools, but not in will, but it takes more than those to win in football.
 
2023-01-27 5:28:14 PM  
Now they need to figure out their quarterbacks for the long term Jimmy G is gone but what to do with Trey Lance?
 
2023-01-27 5:38:03 PM  

CrazedAndBemused: Hmmm... What does Dilfer have, Purdy could get, but Marino never will?


You're changing the argument.
 
2023-01-27 6:05:49 PM  
They're hyping the hell out of him around here. I don't know if the national perspective is that he's due for a fall (or at least a bad game) but around these parts, they're planning his statue.
Pretty amazing story however you look at it.
 
2023-01-27 6:06:56 PM  
Assuming Purdy doesn't completely shiat the bed this weekend - Lance will be playing for Carolina next year.
 
2023-01-27 7:23:30 PM  

Your_Huckleberry: They're hyping the hell out of him around here. I don't know if the national perspective is that he's due for a fall (or at least a bad game) but around these parts, they're planning his statue.
Pretty amazing story however you look at it.


Greetings from the same neighborhood.  I'm not a 49ers fan, but the hype is getting to be too much, yeah.
 
2023-01-27 7:44:33 PM  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: CrazedAndBemused: Hmmm... What does Dilfer have, Purdy could get, but Marino never will?

You're changing the argument.


Argue?  Hell no, I just came here to troll Dolphins fans.
 
2023-01-27 7:47:29 PM  

Shotgun Justice: Assuming Purdy doesn't completely shiat the bed this weekend - Lance will be playing for Carolina next year.


They have Sam Darnold

Send him to Tampa Bay
 
2023-01-27 8:29:50 PM  

tedduque: mjbok: Dafatone: Aren't Lance and Purdy both on rookie contracts? I think the Niners likely trade Lance, but he can't exactly demand it. I guess he could hold out.

Lance 4 year/34 million all guaranteed.  Purdy 4 year/3.7 million, less than 100k guaranteed.  If they can move Lance that gives them picks and money to play with on a team that is already fairly solid.

My gut says Purdy is a serviceable quarterback but not a starter. He is no Dan Marino. More like Trent Dilfer. He plays mistake free football, which is good enough for the team he is on. To be a long time starter, he will need to be a playmaker, which I don't think he has shown himself to be. Maybe that is all SF needs for the next 3 to 4 years.


JFC. He's a rookie who has played a small amount of games and performed well under tremendous pressure and hasn't shiat the bed. Give 'im a break. For all we know. what we've seen is the tip o' the iceberg. If the 49ers take the Superb Owl, it's a given. He's a starter for minimum 3 years. Fark serviceable. Rodgers puts up amazing stats and farks up in the playoffs. I'd prefer a game manager who takes me to the promised land. It's all about how he does Sunday and, hopefully, in 2 weeks later. Shait, I don't even like the 49ers and I'm still rooting for the kid. I sure as shiat want to see the 49ers win more than the Bengals.
 
2023-01-27 8:42:44 PM  

BrianGriffin: tedduque: mjbok: Dafatone: Aren't Lance and Purdy both on rookie contracts? I think the Niners likely trade Lance, but he can't exactly demand it. I guess he could hold out.

Lance 4 year/34 million all guaranteed.  Purdy 4 year/3.7 million, less than 100k guaranteed.  If they can move Lance that gives them picks and money to play with on a team that is already fairly solid.

My gut says Purdy is a serviceable quarterback but not a starter. He is no Dan Marino. More like Trent Dilfer. He plays mistake free football, which is good enough for the team he is on. To be a long time starter, he will need to be a playmaker, which I don't think he has shown himself to be. Maybe that is all SF needs for the next 3 to 4 years.

JFC. He's a rookie who has played a small amount of games and performed well under tremendous pressure and hasn't shiat the bed. Give 'im a break. For all we know. what we've seen is the tip o' the iceberg. If the 49ers take the Superb Owl, it's a given. He's a starter for minimum 3 years. Fark serviceable. Rodgers puts up amazing stats and farks up in the playoffs. I'd prefer a game manager who takes me to the promised land. It's all about how he does Sunday and, hopefully, in 2 weeks later. Shait, I don't even like the 49ers and I'm still rooting for the kid. I sure as shiat want to see the 49ers win more than the Bengals.


Thing is, he doesn't look like a game manager. He takes risks and tries difficult throws, and he moves well. He doesn't have the strongest arm, but his arm strength is okay.
 
2023-01-27 11:04:23 PM  

Dafatone: BrianGriffin: tedduque: mjbok: Dafatone: Aren't Lance and Purdy both on rookie contracts? I think the Niners likely trade Lance, but he can't exactly demand it. I guess he could hold out.

Lance 4 year/34 million all guaranteed.  Purdy 4 year/3.7 million, less than 100k guaranteed.  If they can move Lance that gives them picks and money to play with on a team that is already fairly solid.

My gut says Purdy is a serviceable quarterback but not a starter. He is no Dan Marino. More like Trent Dilfer. He plays mistake free football, which is good enough for the team he is on. To be a long time starter, he will need to be a playmaker, which I don't think he has shown himself to be. Maybe that is all SF needs for the next 3 to 4 years.

JFC. He's a rookie who has played a small amount of games and performed well under tremendous pressure and hasn't shiat the bed. Give 'im a break. For all we know. what we've seen is the tip o' the iceberg. If the 49ers take the Superb Owl, it's a given. He's a starter for minimum 3 years. Fark serviceable. Rodgers puts up amazing stats and farks up in the playoffs. I'd prefer a game manager who takes me to the promised land. It's all about how he does Sunday and, hopefully, in 2 weeks later. Shait, I don't even like the 49ers and I'm still rooting for the kid. I sure as shiat want to see the 49ers win more than the Bengals.

Thing is, he doesn't look like a game manager. He takes risks and tries difficult throws, and he moves well. He doesn't have the strongest arm, but his arm strength is okay.


You mentioned "tight windows" earlier. He's made some good throws, and he's gotten away with some bad throws. I don't think he's the love child of Tom Brady and Peyton Manning, but he looks good so far. I hope he continues to take care of the ball over the next two games.

Next year when the league has tape on him, it might be a different story. He does have a shiatload of weapons at his disposal, and a good play caller.
 
2023-01-27 11:27:58 PM  
Both Purdy and Hurts are a great testament to getting the hell rid of your NDSU QB.
 
2023-01-28 12:01:29 AM  

The Smails Kid: I hope he continues to take care of the ball over the next two games.


Sunday and the first game of the regular season?
 
2023-01-28 1:49:52 AM  

The Smails Kid: Dafatone: BrianGriffin: tedduque: mjbok: Dafatone: Aren't Lance and Purdy both on rookie contracts? I think the Niners likely trade Lance, but he can't exactly demand it. I guess he could hold out.

Lance 4 year/34 million all guaranteed.  Purdy 4 year/3.7 million, less than 100k guaranteed.  If they can move Lance that gives them picks and money to play with on a team that is already fairly solid.

My gut says Purdy is a serviceable quarterback but not a starter. He is no Dan Marino. More like Trent Dilfer. He plays mistake free football, which is good enough for the team he is on. To be a long time starter, he will need to be a playmaker, which I don't think he has shown himself to be. Maybe that is all SF needs for the next 3 to 4 years.

JFC. He's a rookie who has played a small amount of games and performed well under tremendous pressure and hasn't shiat the bed. Give 'im a break. For all we know. what we've seen is the tip o' the iceberg. If the 49ers take the Superb Owl, it's a given. He's a starter for minimum 3 years. Fark serviceable. Rodgers puts up amazing stats and farks up in the playoffs. I'd prefer a game manager who takes me to the promised land. It's all about how he does Sunday and, hopefully, in 2 weeks later. Shait, I don't even like the 49ers and I'm still rooting for the kid. I sure as shiat want to see the 49ers win more than the Bengals.

Thing is, he doesn't look like a game manager. He takes risks and tries difficult throws, and he moves well. He doesn't have the strongest arm, but his arm strength is okay.

You mentioned "tight windows" earlier. He's made some good throws, and he's gotten away with some bad throws. I don't think he's the love child of Tom Brady and Peyton Manning, but he looks good so far. I hope he continues to take care of the ball over the next two games.

Next year when the league has tape on him, it might be a different story. He does have a shiatload of weapons at his disposal, and a good play caller.


Yup. I've been commenting that he plays "fearlessly," which means he totally could throw three picks in a half.

He likes to roll out left, which I don't get for a righty. But that's okay.
 
2023-01-28 3:48:43 AM  

Joe_diGriz: The Smails Kid: I hope he continues to take care of the ball over the next two games.

Sunday and the first game of the regular season?


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