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AirForceVet [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-27 12:25:13 PM  
I like this man.
 
Night Train to Wakanda
2023-01-27 6:39:31 PM  

AirForceVet: I like this man.


That makes one of us.
 
Karma Chameleon
2023-01-27 6:41:15 PM  
"There is a difference between a compromise and a ransom note. And so let me be clear. We are not going to pay a ransom note to extremists in the other party,"

Can't wait to see their definition of compromise.
 
Communist Middleschool Student
2023-01-27 6:44:15 PM  
Burn it down Hakeem, you know you want to!

AOC would do it!
 
Gin Buddy [TotalFark]
2023-01-27 6:47:42 PM  

Night Train to Wakanda: AirForceVet: I like this man.

That makes one of us.


Would you rather see them cave to the crazy GQP?
 
JTtheCajun
2023-01-27 6:48:23 PM  

Karma Chameleon: "There is a difference between a compromise and a ransom note. And so let me be clear. We are not going to pay a ransom note to extremists in the other party,"

Can't wait to see their definition of compromise.


"We will not compromise! Here's our common-sense, bipartisan solution to reign in government spending and kneecapping working class Americans...legitimizing the GOP and right-wing talking points and moving the Overton window even further!"
 
Peter von Nostrand
2023-01-27 6:48:27 PM  
I knew it wouldn't take long for the edgelords to pile in and start their whacky inflatable guy arm flailing.
 
Spartapuss
2023-01-27 6:48:34 PM  

Night Train to Wakanda: AirForceVet: I like this man.

That makes one of us.


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erik-k [OhFark]
2023-01-27 6:49:33 PM  
Good.

The offer the to the GQP to not betray the validity of the debt of the United States is and should remain this: nothing. You get nothing in exchange for doing the absolute bare minimum to obey our laws.
 
Geotpf
2023-01-27 6:51:58 PM  

Karma Chameleon: "There is a difference between a compromise and a ransom note. And so let me be clear. We are not going to pay a ransom note to extremists in the other party,"

Can't wait to see their definition of compromise.


The next question is valid too:

When asked whether Democrats would stick to their position even if it meant risking a default, Jeffries emphatically rejected that scenario saying, "We're not going to let the car go off the cliff even though there are people who are willing to do it."

If the Republican House caucus is actually united in asking for stupid shiat, and willing to shut it down for such, the Democrats may have no choice but to cave in if they don't want a default.

It's a political game of chicken.  And I think a default would be worse than just a straight government shutdown.  We've never defaulted before.

We may end up having to count on the rich assholes yelling at the Wall Street Republicans to turn against the MAGA Republicans in preventing a default, as a default would cause people to lose billions of dollars in markets and other things.
 
Weatherkiss [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-27 6:54:08 PM  

Karma Chameleon: "There is a difference between a compromise and a ransom note. And so let me be clear. We are not going to pay a ransom note to extremists in the other party,"

Can't wait to see their definition of compromise.


The same definition it's always been: Capitulate to Republican demands and suck each other's dicks over how bipartisan they are after they're done capitulating.
 
Bith Set Me Up
2023-01-27 6:57:48 PM  

Weatherkiss: Karma Chameleon: "There is a difference between a compromise and a ransom note. And so let me be clear. We are not going to pay a ransom note to extremists in the other party,"

Can't wait to see their definition of compromise.

The same definition it's always been: Capitulate to Republican demands and suck each other's dicks over how bipartisan they are after they're done capitulating.


"Young people in the 1990s watched Bill Clinton work with Republicans - to overhaul welfare, try to cut Social Security, deregulate Wall Street - only to see them turn around and impeach him. In the 2000s, they watched Democrats halfheartedly support a war they opposed. Then Obama tried to compromise with Republicans on the size of a post-crash stimulus and the nature of the Affordable Care Act.

None of it calmed Republicans, as younger lawmakers see it, so why not try something else?

'The older members really cling to the idea that things are going to go 'back to normal'' after Trump, Ocasio-Cortez told me. 'For us, it's never been normal, and before that the bipartisanship was s-ty anyway and gave us the War on Drugs, DOMA' - the Defense of Marriage Act, which barred federal recognition or benefits for same-sex couples - 'and stripping the leg[islative] branch of everything.'

[...]

Ocasio-Cortez said she has seen how fear shapes senior members of her caucus and their approach to politics. 'When it comes to defending why we don't ... push visionary legislation, I hear the line so frequently from senior members, 'I want to win,'' she said. 'But what they mean by that is, 'I only want to introduce bills that have a 100 percent chance of passing almost unanimously.' But for new members, what's important isn't just winning but fighting. I don't care about losing in the short term, because we know we're fighting for the long term."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2019/07/05/feature/haunted-by-the-reagan-era/?wpisrc=nl_rainbow&wpmm=1&noredirect=on
 
Jake Havechek [TotalFark]
2023-01-27 7:01:45 PM  
You can't negotiate with the GOP.  They are amoral scumbags.
 
Night Train to Wakanda
2023-01-27 7:02:48 PM  

Gin Buddy: Night Train to Wakanda: AirForceVet: I like this man.

That makes one of us.

Would you rather see them cave to the crazy GQP?


Guess who didn't read the article.
 
Hinged
2023-01-27 7:04:27 PM  
Is he supposed to be the new Obama or something...?
 
NuclearPenguins [TotalFark]
2023-01-27 7:07:51 PM  
Oh sweet, a Bro thread!
 
Night Train to Wakanda
2023-01-27 7:10:14 PM  

NuclearPenguins: Oh sweet, a Bro thread!


Things your wife says?
 
foo monkey
2023-01-27 7:10:56 PM  
I should check the Fox News comments for Jeffries' appropriate racist whistle words.
 
Bith Set Me Up
2023-01-27 7:13:54 PM  

NuclearPenguins: Oh sweet, a Bro thread!


Moderate Democrats: "Progressives should run for office."

Progressives: "Okay, then."

Moderate Democrats: "No, not like that."

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/democratic-primaries-progressives-incumbents-hakeem-jeffries-1301186/
 
Geotpf
2023-01-27 7:15:52 PM  

Jake Havechek: You can't negotiate with the GOP.  They are amoral scumbags.


Hard to win a vote on the debt ceiling or, well, anything, without them when they are in the majority.
 
peterquince
2023-01-27 7:16:42 PM  

Geotpf: When asked whether Democrats would stick to their position even if it meant risking a default, Jeffries emphatically rejected that scenario saying, "We're not going to let the car go off the cliff even though there are people who are willing to do it."


So this is the fundamental problem right here. When you have one side that wants to explode everything and doesn't give a fark about consequences but just wants to win...and another side that actually cares about not destroying things....it's a fundamental imbalance of power.

The only way to fight someone who doesn't give a fark is to stop giving farks yourself. And dems give a fark, which puts them at a disadvantage.
 
dericwater [BareFark]
2023-01-27 7:17:20 PM  
The interviewer is mistaking the budget with the debt ceiling. The budget is the plan for what the government will be spending in the future (as well as receiving in tax revenues). The debt ceiling relates to paying for what the government already spent in the past years.

I suppose what the Democrats should say is, "Get rid of the 2018 tax cut, which only reduced the amount of tax revenue collected." There's two ways to reduce annual deficits. One is reduce spending. Two is increase income. Raise the taxes back on the high earners and corporations, back to and above the rates they were in 2018. Reduce spending by eliminating subsidies to established industries like farming and oil and insurance. And reduce the spending in Defense.

Social security and Medicare is completely self-funded through FICA and Medicare taxes. Anyone who says to cut them to help the budget is making no sense.
 
peterquince
2023-01-27 7:18:33 PM  

dericwater: The interviewer is mistaking the budget with the debt ceiling. The budget is the plan for what the government will be spending in the future (as well as receiving in tax revenues). The debt ceiling relates to paying for what the government already spent in the past years.

I suppose what the Democrats should say is, "Get rid of the 2018 tax cut, which only reduced the amount of tax revenue collected." There's two ways to reduce annual deficits. One is reduce spending. Two is increase income. Raise the taxes back on the high earners and corporations, back to and above the rates they were in 2018. Reduce spending by eliminating subsidies to established industries like farming and oil and insurance. And reduce the spending in Defense.

Social security and Medicare is completely self-funded through FICA and Medicare taxes. Anyone who says to cut them to help the budget is making no sense. lying.


FTFY
 
The Irresponsible Captain [TotalFark]
2023-01-27 7:19:54 PM  
There's a small, but shockingly not unreasonable, explanation he might just be the Speaker of the House before 2025.
We live in interesting times.
 
dericwater [BareFark]
2023-01-27 7:20:52 PM  

erik-k: Good.

The offer the to the GQP to not betray the validity of the debt of the United States is and should remain this: nothing. You get nothing in exchange for doing the absolute bare minimum to obey our laws.


And the GQP should pay the fee for the gaming license too.
 
Night Train to Wakanda
2023-01-27 7:25:43 PM  
dericwater:

The democrats are going to use permanent Trump tax cuts as bait for Republicans to vote their legislation and get the debt limit raised through those they can sway with tax cuts.

Because democrats absolutely love saving republicans from their cooked policy hand grenades.
 
Geotpf
2023-01-27 7:26:28 PM  

dericwater: Social security and Medicare is completely self-funded through FICA and Medicare taxes. Anyone who says to cut them to help the budget is making no sense.


There is no law that says the money taken out of your paycheck has to equal the amount paid out in benefits.  In theory the two should more or less match over time, but if they don't, it doesn't matter.  If more is collected in SS/Medicare taxes than paid out in benefits, said extra money just buys fighter jets or subways or whatever.  If less is collected, other general funds are used to pay the rest of the SS/Medicare payouts above what was collected.  There is no "Social Security Fund" inside a "lockbox" or any of that bullshiat.
 
LordJiro [BareFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-27 7:29:12 PM  

dericwater: The interviewer is mistaking the budget with the debt ceiling. The budget is the plan for what the government will be spending in the future (as well as receiving in tax revenues). The debt ceiling relates to paying for what the government already spent in the past years.


Is it really surprising that the party of Trump wants to skip out on its bills?
 
dericwater [BareFark]
2023-01-27 7:30:09 PM  

LordJiro: dericwater: The interviewer is mistaking the budget with the debt ceiling. The budget is the plan for what the government will be spending in the future (as well as receiving in tax revenues). The debt ceiling relates to paying for what the government already spent in the past years.

Is it really surprising that the party of Trump wants to skip out on its bills?


Not at all. Being a conservative means never actually paying your own bills.
 
I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-27 7:37:38 PM  
Don't worry. Several "serious" Democrats will given the GQP whatever they want to prevent a default.

Then the Senate will shake thier heads and agree.

Then Biden will regretfully sign the bill into law.

Three months later, we will do this again.
 
Hinged
2023-01-27 7:38:37 PM  

Geotpf: dericwater: Social security and Medicare is completely self-funded through FICA and Medicare taxes. Anyone who says to cut them to help the budget is making no sense.

There is no law that says the money taken out of your paycheck has to equal the amount paid out in benefits.  In theory the two should more or less match over time, but if they don't, it doesn't matter.  If more is collected in SS/Medicare taxes than paid out in benefits, said extra money just buys fighter jets or subways or whatever.  If less is collected, other general funds are used to pay the rest of the SS/Medicare payouts above what was collected.  There is no "Social Security Fund" inside a "lockbox" or any of that bullshiat.



You're right about one thing - especially subways.

SS tax is just more income tax.  That's all it is.
 
Hyjamon
2023-01-27 7:42:06 PM  

foo monkey: I should check the Fox News comments for Jeffries' appropriate racist whistle words.


"Prince of Zamunda"

Survey Says...
 
astelmaszek
2023-01-27 7:42:57 PM  

dericwater: The interviewer is mistaking the budget with the debt ceiling. The budget is the plan for what the government will be spending in the future (as well as receiving in tax revenues). The debt ceiling relates to paying for what the government already spent in the past years.

I suppose what the Democrats should say is, "Get rid of the 2018 tax cut, which only reduced the amount of tax revenue collected." There's two ways to reduce annual deficits. One is reduce spending. Two is increase income. Raise the taxes back on the high earners and corporations, back to and above the rates they were in 2018. Reduce spending by eliminating subsidies to established industries like farming and oil and insurance. And reduce the spending in Defense.

Social security and Medicare is completely self-funded through FICA and Medicare taxes. Anyone who says to cut them to help the budget is making no sense.


Eliminate farming subsidies, lol. I forget how many missed meals make a revolution but it's not that many. Out of all the subsidies, that's one I'd rather leave alone. There is something to be said about steady supply of cheap grain.
 
SplittingAces
2023-01-27 7:54:07 PM  

Gin Buddy: Night Train to Wakanda: AirForceVet: I like this man.

That makes one of us.

Would you rather see them cave to the crazy GQP?


He's a Fark Proglodyte, so yes.
 
Insurgent
2023-01-27 7:57:15 PM  
narrator: they caved and paid the ransom
 
Mr.Insightful
2023-01-27 8:09:02 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: NuclearPenguins: Oh sweet, a Bro thread!

Moderate Democrats: "Progressives should run for office."

Progressives: "Okay, then."

Moderate Democrats: "No, not like that."



Dipshait Bros should understand that "run for office" doesn't mean "...and expect no one else to submit their candidacy to the Democratic electorate, who they might prefer more".

As much as some people whine about Hillary, Bernie-bros are the ones who are constantly sniveling "But it's HIS turn!!!1!!1!!!1!"  That's what they did all of 2020.

...and then were absolutely outraged when Biden won against Trump anyway.
 
Mr.Insightful
2023-01-27 8:11:54 PM  

Hinged: SS tax is just more income tax.  That's all it is.


If only. Income tax isn't expressly limited by a maximum income. The mega-wealthy have to find other ways to cheat - like Trump did - pretending that they lost money when their net worth clearly goes up. It's not literally built into the law.
 
Bith Set Me Up
2023-01-27 8:29:52 PM  

Mr.Insightful: Bith Set Me Up: NuclearPenguins: Oh sweet, a Bro thread!

Moderate Democrats: "Progressives should run for office."

Progressives: "Okay, then."

Moderate Democrats: "No, not like that."


Dipshait Bros should understand that "run for office" doesn't mean "...and expect no one else to submit their candidacy to the Democratic electorate, who they might prefer more".

As much as some people whine about Hillary, Bernie-bros are the ones who are constantly sniveling "But it's HIS turn!!!1!!1!!!1!"  That's what they did all of 2020.


...and then were absolutely outraged when Biden won against Trump anyway.

Fark user imageView Full Size


More Sanders supporters pledged their support to Hillary in the 2016 general election and Biden in the 2020 general election than Hillary supporters did for Obama in the 2008 election.

From 2020:

Progressives: 92% for Biden, 0% for Trump
Moderates: 81% for Biden, 12% for Trump

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/07/07/yougov_polling_biden_skeptics_are_moderate_democrats_143640.html

Every accusation against progressives is a confession.
 
browneye [TotalFark]
2023-01-27 8:40:21 PM  

AirForceVet: I like this man.


THIS.
 
Night Train to Wakanda
2023-01-27 8:42:19 PM  

SplittingAces: He's a Fark Proglodyte, so yes.


Guess who else didn't read the article.
 
Tarl3k
2023-01-27 8:44:42 PM  

astelmaszek: dericwater: The interviewer is mistaking the budget with the debt ceiling. The budget is the plan for what the government will be spending in the future (as well as receiving in tax revenues). The debt ceiling relates to paying for what the government already spent in the past years.

I suppose what the Democrats should say is, "Get rid of the 2018 tax cut, which only reduced the amount of tax revenue collected." There's two ways to reduce annual deficits. One is reduce spending. Two is increase income. Raise the taxes back on the high earners and corporations, back to and above the rates they were in 2018. Reduce spending by eliminating subsidies to established industries like farming and oil and insurance. And reduce the spending in Defense.

Social security and Medicare is completely self-funded through FICA and Medicare taxes. Anyone who says to cut them to help the budget is making no sense.

Eliminate farming subsidies, lol. I forget how many missed meals make a revolution but it's not that many. Out of all the subsidies, that's one I'd rather leave alone. There is something to be said about steady supply of cheap grain.


Um, farm subsidies don't actually make food cheaper.  They're another giveaway to corporate masters.  Granted, if they were eliminated, they'd use it as another excuse to raise prices, but don't believe for a second that those subsidies actually help anybody other than the ultra wealthy.
 
Tarl3k
2023-01-27 8:45:41 PM  

browneye: AirForceVet: I like this man.

THIS.


Yup, he'll be an excellent leader in the House for the next few decades.
 
Rapmaster2000
2023-01-27 8:45:54 PM  
I would comment, but like most hip young progressives, I have more important things to do on a Friday night than hang around geezers on Fark.
 
I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-27 8:46:37 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: Mr.Insightful: Bith Set Me Up: NuclearPenguins: Oh sweet, a Bro thread!

Moderate Democrats: "Progressives should run for office."

Progressives: "Okay, then."

Moderate Democrats: "No, not like that."


Dipshait Bros should understand that "run for office" doesn't mean "...and expect no one else to submit their candidacy to the Democratic electorate, who they might prefer more".

As much as some people whine about Hillary, Bernie-bros are the ones who are constantly sniveling "But it's HIS turn!!!1!!1!!!1!"  That's what they did all of 2020.

...and then were absolutely outraged when Biden won against Trump anyway.

[Fark user image image 498x280]

More Sanders supporters pledged their support to Hillary in the 2016 general election and Biden in the 2020 general election than Hillary supporters did for Obama in the 2008 election.

From 2020:

Progressives: 92% for Biden, 0% for Trump
Moderates: 81% for Biden, 12% for Trump

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/07/07/yougov_polling_biden_skeptics_are_moderate_democrats_143640.html

Every accusation against progressives is a confession.


Seriously.

I argued hard against Hilary Clinton. She was a horrible candidate.

When Sanders lost, I voted for her. My state went blue.

She lost.

Even better, in her first try, she broke the rules and lost anyway. Unlike her, Obama took a massive majority of votes and states.

But it was her turn!

Then Biden. The guy who we didn't know had won for days. He ran against Trump and barely won.

But clearly, this is the fault of progressives.

I'm tired of this shiat. I mean, what do I do? I played the game by the rules. I fought for better in the primaries, and sucked it up in the general. I voted blue no matter who. I've been doing it for 35+ years.

And it keeps getting worse.

So yeah. Vote farking progressive or lose. I supported your middle way for decades and watched it destroy everything good about this country.

No more.
 
erik-k [OhFark]
2023-01-27 8:54:52 PM  

Geotpf: Karma Chameleon: "There is a difference between a compromise and a ransom note. And so let me be clear. We are not going to pay a ransom note to extremists in the other party,"

Can't wait to see their definition of compromise.

The next question is valid too:

When asked whether Democrats would stick to their position even if it meant risking a default, Jeffries emphatically rejected that scenario saying, "We're not going to let the car go off the cliff even though there are people who are willing to do it."

If the Republican House caucus is actually united in asking for stupid shiat, and willing to shut it down for such, the Democrats may have no choice but to cave in if they don't want a default.

It's a political game of chicken.  And I think a default would be worse than just a straight government shutdown.  We've never defaulted before.

We may end up having to count on the rich assholes yelling at the Wall Street Republicans to turn against the MAGA Republicans in preventing a default, as a default would cause people to lose billions of dollars in markets and other things.


The GQP cannot actually force us to default because tax revenue exceeds interest outlays, and if it comes to it, the Treasury is legally obligated to pay creditors first because "shall not be questioned." So, goodbye social security checks, goodbye medicare, goodbye paycheck if you are paid via fedgov at all.

Sadly these cuts will not be made to places that elected lunatics who want to destroy the government immediately in order to provide them to places that elected sane people for as long as possible.
 
Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo
2023-01-27 9:22:13 PM  
We never pay anyone Danegeld.
 
Mr.Insightful
2023-01-27 10:24:22 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: Every accusation against progressives is a confession.


I'm talking about Fauxgressive Bros on FARK, not the typical "I like all the Democratic candidates but Sanders the best" progressive.

A lot of those progressives on Fark are people that the Fauxgressive nutcases cross rhetorical swords with.

Look in a mirror, pal.
 
Communist Middleschool Student
2023-01-27 10:42:11 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: Weatherkiss: Karma Chameleon: "There is a difference between a compromise and a ransom note. And so let me be clear. We are not going to pay a ransom note to extremists in the other party,"

Can't wait to see their definition of compromise.

The same definition it's always been: Capitulate to Republican demands and suck each other's dicks over how bipartisan they are after they're done capitulating.

"Young people in the 1990s watched Bill Clinton work with Republicans - to overhaul welfare, try to cut Social Security, deregulate Wall Street - only to see them turn around and impeach him. In the 2000s, they watched Democrats halfheartedly support a war they opposed. Then Obama tried to compromise with Republicans on the size of a post-crash stimulus and the nature of the Affordable Care Act.

None of it calmed Republicans, as younger lawmakers see it, so why not try something else?

'The older members really cling to the idea that things are going to go 'back to normal'' after Trump, Ocasio-Cortez told me. 'For us, it's never been normal, and before that the bipartisanship was s-ty anyway and gave us the War on Drugs, DOMA' - the Defense of Marriage Act, which barred federal recognition or benefits for same-sex couples - 'and stripping the leg[islative] branch of everything.'

[...]

Ocasio-Cortez said she has seen how fear shapes senior members of her caucus and their approach to politics. 'When it comes to defending why we don't ... push visionary legislation, I hear the line so frequently from senior members, 'I want to win,'' she said. 'But what they mean by that is, 'I only want to introduce bills that have a 100 percent chance of passing almost unanimously.' But for new members, what's important isn't just winning but fighting. I don't care about losing in the short term, because we know we're fighting for the long term."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2019/07/05/feature/haunted-by-the-reagan-era/?wpisrc=nl_rainbow&wpmm=1&noredirect=on


To be fair, most of the 'visionary legislation' is hot garbage.
 
benelane [BareFark]
2023-01-27 11:08:51 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: I knew it wouldn't take long for the edgelords to pile in and start their whacky inflatable guy arm flailing.


I always assumed those people hung out in the d'awww tab. We've no whacky inflatable tube-edgelords 'round these parts. No siree, sure as Bob's yer uncle.
 
whatshisname [TotalFark]
2023-01-27 11:47:48 PM  
I like the way he speaks with his hands.
And he is great at throwing shade but never taking a cheap shot.
 
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