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(The Hill)   Looks as if the GOP is not entirely full of morons   (thehill.com) divider line
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Pocket Ninja [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-27 8:15:50 AM  
House Majority Leader Steve Scalise(R) said Thursday that he didn't support the bill, instead telling The Hill that he backs making permanent the tax cuts in former President Trump'ssignature 2017 tax bill

So instead of supporting a completely stupid idea that though untried is obviously nothing more than an entirely transparent scheme to shift virtually the entire tax burden to the lower and middle classes, he supports something that's a completely stupid idea that's proven since its inception to be nothing more than a financial windfall to the wealthy who have no need for it.

I'm not seeing any evidence to support your headline, subby.
 
HugeMistake [TotalFark]
2023-01-27 8:25:55 AM  
It will be a lot harder for corporations and rich people to evade a sales tax than income tax.
 
GardenWeasel [TotalFark]
2023-01-27 8:33:23 AM  

HugeMistake: It will be a lot harder for corporations and rich people to evade a sales tax than income tax.


Nah. They will just create non-profit purchasing consortiums. They won't pay a dime.
 
Doctor Funkenstein
2023-01-27 8:35:12 AM  
If they're GOP, then they've already failed the test.  Several times over.
 
Rattlehead
2023-01-27 8:36:25 AM  
No, they're all morons for one reason or another.
 
iheartscotch
2023-01-27 8:36:38 AM  
The Explode the Tax Code thing was never going to go anywhere.
 
turbocucumber [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-27 8:37:10 AM  
The Democratic Party is also not entirely full of not morons. It evens out.
 
Snapper Carr
2023-01-27 8:37:14 AM  
True.

Some of them are grifters.
 
Befuddled
2023-01-27 8:38:14 AM  

HugeMistake: It will be a lot harder for corporations and rich people to evade a sales tax than income tax.


Please tell me you're kidding.

Under the 'Fair Tax' stupidity, corporations don't pay the tax; it's the consumer who does. So the rich would get around the national sales tax by having a corporation, one that they own, buy their expensive goods and then rent those goods to themselves for next to nothing.

A high national sales tax would invite a black market to arise.
 
GoldSpider
2023-01-27 8:39:11 AM  
"This is just The $hill trying to normalize the fascists!!"
 
Halfabee64
2023-01-27 8:43:10 AM  
Yes...they are. 

House Majority Leader Steve Scalise (R) said Thursday that he didn't support the bill, instead telling The Hill that he backs making permanent the tax cuts in former President Trump's signature 2017 tax bill.

He want's to blow a multi-$trillion hole in the budget and send the deficit into the stratosphere.
 
EL EM
2023-01-27 8:43:53 AM  
The GOP is not entirely morons, the have plenty of imbeciles and idiots as well.
 
hubiestubert [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-27 8:45:14 AM  
"We'd rather have the stupid idea that we're already rolling with. I mean, yeah, it could blow up in our faces, but people have had years to get pissed at that, and it's pretty much died down now. This new thing would just get folks all fired up again."
 
Al Tsheimers
2023-01-27 8:46:02 AM  
Subby, "You lie!". Just being a current member of the GOP qualifies them as morons. Anyone talking about a plan to make the tax system even more regressive thinks that the majority of the electorate are also morons. On that point, they may be correct.
 
Target Builder
2023-01-27 8:46:16 AM  

EL EM: The GOP is not entirely morons, the have plenty of imbeciles and idiots as well.


Along with a fair chunk who know exactly what they're doing, just want they want to do is terrible for most people.
 
MyFamilySux [TotalFark]
2023-01-27 8:47:01 AM  
It sounds like Mein Pillow is going to be elected GOP leader today. Not all Republicans are idiots, but most idiots are Republicans.
 
palelizard
2023-01-27 8:47:13 AM  

Halfabee64: Yes...they are. 

House Majority Leader Steve Scalise (R) said Thursday that he didn't support the bill, instead telling The Hill that he backs making permanent the tax cuts in former President Trump's signature 2017 tax bill.

He want's to blow a multi-$trillion hole in the budget and send the deficit into the stratosphere.


No, you see the jokes on everyone else. He'll blow that hole in the budget and then vote to not raise the deficit cap. Too bad so sad! It's the one trick creditors don't want you to know.
 
NathanAllen
2023-01-27 8:47:57 AM  

HugeMistake: It will be a lot harder for corporations and rich people to evade a sales tax than income tax.


Username checks out.
 
UncleDirtNap
2023-01-27 8:50:33 AM  
So they want to biatch about the deficit and keep the Trump tax cuts. Geee it's almost like their more intent on the show than the substance.
 
Thoreny
2023-01-27 8:53:11 AM  
Hear me out: why can't we have a national sales tax for luxury goods/vice/electronics and income tax as well?

We have a huge deficit. For every dollar we spend 41 cents of it comes from issuing debt.
 
bighairyguy [TotalFark]
2023-01-27 8:53:18 AM  
They don't want to abolish the tax code, they want to abolish the IRS.
 
Cheron
2023-01-27 8:53:36 AM  
I like the idea. Bob earns $7.25/he federal minimum wage. He buys $100 of food for his family and pays $30 tax. Buffy whose trust fund provided him with $2.5m per year buys the same groceries and pays the same tax. Leaving Buffy much more money to donate to Republican super PAC and dark money. So fair
 
gilgigamesh
2023-01-27 8:53:47 AM  

Snapper Carr: True.

Some of them are grifters.


And many are just insane.
 
The Irresponsible Captain [TotalFark]
2023-01-27 8:54:24 AM  
I'm not surprised that they can't agree on anything. They'll have to be a lot smarter to get bills that won't die in the Senate.
 
buravirgil
2023-01-27 8:55:37 AM  
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Mr. Coffee Nerves [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-27 8:55:40 AM  
You don't understand the genius! If we lower taxes to zero, then revenue will become infinite, and we will all transcend to beings of pure energy!
 
cryptozoophiliac
2023-01-27 8:55:54 AM  
Of all the stupid ideas, a national sales tax is hardly the stupidest...only because we are choking our planet with plastic crap we use once or don't even need.

"Economic growth" is cancerous at a certain concentration.
 
HotWingConspiracy
2023-01-27 8:58:38 AM  
They're all tax cheats and have little desire to work out how to game a new system.
 
thurstonxhowell
2023-01-27 8:59:27 AM  

HugeMistake: It will be a lot harder for corporations and rich people to evade a sales tax than income tax.


Rich people spend a far lower proportion of their money on things subject to a sales tax than poor people do. Plus, since this thing is written by their lobbyists, ways for them to avoid it are unfortunately written in.
 
Muta
2023-01-27 8:59:34 AM  

Halfabee64: Yes...they are. 

House Majority Leader Steve Scalise (R) said Thursday that he didn't support the bill, instead telling The Hill that he backs making permanent the tax cuts in former President Trump's signature 2017 tax bill.

He want's to blow a multi-$trillion hole in the budget and send the deficit into the stratosphere.


You missed a step.  Here's the plan:

1. Blow a multi-trillion hole in the budget
2. Send deficit into the stratosphere
3. Blame Biden
 
hausman007
2023-01-27 8:59:34 AM  
I'll play your silly game and offer amendments, every stock trade and dividend payout is considered a sale and gets hiat with the same 30% sales tax.
 
Night Train to Wakanda
2023-01-27 9:00:26 AM  

buravirgil: [Fark user image image 850x637]


Why do you hate investment portfolios?
 
DarwiOdrade [TotalFark]
2023-01-27 9:01:25 AM  
The important thing is Republicans are opposing Republicans.
 
Halfabee64
2023-01-27 9:03:43 AM  

cryptozoophiliac: Of all the stupid ideas, a national sales tax is hardly the stupidest...only because we are choking our planet with plastic crap we use once or don't even need.

"Economic growth" is cancerous at a certain concentration.


No, it's pretty frickin' stupid.  I can't think of a more regressive tax that disproportionately punishes the poor for buying necessities like food, clothing, and energy, which are at the bottom of a wealthy person's priorities, after buying super yachts, Gulfstreams, Kensington condos, and politicians.
 
gilgigamesh
2023-01-27 9:06:10 AM  
The gop really stepped in it with this stupid idea.

The democrats could stand to take a page from the gop playbook though.  When they back away from it, even if they never supported it, hang it around their necks anyway. Slap them in the face with it like it's a fait accompli from now til election day. Make them deny their support, to keep it in the public's mind and keep the gop on its  heels.

Then do the same with repeal of social security and medicare.
 
cryptozoophiliac
2023-01-27 9:07:43 AM  

Halfabee64: cryptozoophiliac: Of all the stupid ideas, a national sales tax is hardly the stupidest...only because we are choking our planet with plastic crap we use once or don't even need.

"Economic growth" is cancerous at a certain concentration.

No, it's pretty frickin' stupid.  I can't think of a more regressive tax that disproportionately punishes the poor for buying necessities like food, clothing, and energy, which are at the bottom of a wealthy person's priorities, after buying super yachts, Gulfstreams, Kensington condos, and politicians.


I would agree, except poor people aren't really the ones injured here (until the GOP defunds Medicaid & SSI etc.). They don't have any money to begin with, and many of them receive public aid, food stamps, etc.

It's the upper middle class and those who make a bit too much to qualify for assistance who will hurt the most (I'm taking it for granted that there is no longer a functioning middle class in America...fight me.)
 
Cheron
2023-01-27 9:11:05 AM  

The Irresponsible Captain: I'm not surprised that they can't agree on anything. They'll have to be a lot smarter to get bills that won't die in the Senate.


Boring. Bills that pass the Senate and get signed are BORING. Bills that push hot button issues or advocate unrealistic notions get you on the news and fire up the common clay.

/Is fixed up common clay just pots?
 
The Envoy
2023-01-27 9:11:11 AM  

cryptozoophiliac: Halfabee64: cryptozoophiliac: Of all the stupid ideas, a national sales tax is hardly the stupidest...only because we are choking our planet with plastic crap we use once or don't even need.

"Economic growth" is cancerous at a certain concentration.

No, it's pretty frickin' stupid.  I can't think of a more regressive tax that disproportionately punishes the poor for buying necessities like food, clothing, and energy, which are at the bottom of a wealthy person's priorities, after buying super yachts, Gulfstreams, Kensington condos, and politicians.

I would agree, except poor people aren't really the ones injured here (until the GOP defunds Medicaid & SSI etc.). They don't have any money to begin with, and many of them receive public aid, food stamps, etc.

It's the upper middle class and those who make a bit too much to qualify for assistance who will hurt the most (I'm taking it for granted that there is no longer a functioning middle class in America...fight me.)


They don't have any money...so further restrict their ability to pay for energy, clothes, petrol etc.?  WTF?  Bury people in penury?  That's moronic and I'm being charitable.
 
A Cave Geek
2023-01-27 9:13:10 AM  

hausman007: I'll play your silly game and offer amendments, every stock trade and dividend payout is considered a sale and gets hiat with the same 30% sales tax.


It would put every day trader in the US out of business in a day.
 
jso2897
2023-01-27 9:13:12 AM  
Too bad. I was hoping Congress would pass this with all Republican votes.
Oh well. They'll find other ways to faceplant and pratfall as this term drags on.
 
Crabs_Can_Polevault
2023-01-27 9:13:58 AM  

Halfabee64: He want's to blow a multi-$trillion hole in the budget and send the deficit into the stratosphere.


No, just into the Democrats' collective lap, where it will do perceptibly more damage.
 
MrSplifferton
2023-01-27 9:17:06 AM  

HugeMistake: It will be a lot harder for corporations and rich people to evade a sales tax than income tax.


Username checks out.
 
cryptozoophiliac
2023-01-27 9:20:21 AM  

The Envoy: cryptozoophiliac: Halfabee64: cryptozoophiliac: Of all the stupid ideas, a national sales tax is hardly the stupidest...only because we are choking our planet with plastic crap we use once or don't even need.

"Economic growth" is cancerous at a certain concentration.

No, it's pretty frickin' stupid.  I can't think of a more regressive tax that disproportionately punishes the poor for buying necessities like food, clothing, and energy, which are at the bottom of a wealthy person's priorities, after buying super yachts, Gulfstreams, Kensington condos, and politicians.

I would agree, except poor people aren't really the ones injured here (until the GOP defunds Medicaid & SSI etc.). They don't have any money to begin with, and many of them receive public aid, food stamps, etc.

It's the upper middle class and those who make a bit too much to qualify for assistance who will hurt the most (I'm taking it for granted that there is no longer a functioning middle class in America...fight me.)

They don't have any money...so further restrict their ability to pay for energy, clothes, petrol etc.?  WTF?  Bury people in penury?  That's moronic and I'm being charitable.


If you've ever actually been poor and on assistance, you know what I mean. Toothpaste you couldn't afford before isn't going to become more affordable because the price went up 15%. Food stamps and medicaid don't cover more than necessities.

You are actually better off in many parts of America being poor and unemployed than being a "working stiff" who makes too much to qualify for help and who has to pay for his own food and medical.

And if the working people can't afford those prices, guess what? Those prices come down or the businesses making the overpriced products go under.
 
AAAAGGGGHHHH
2023-01-27 9:20:26 AM  
I have yet to hear from any of these "fair" tax loons what would happen to Social Security once their crackpot bill became law and eliminates the Payroll Tax. They don't want to admit that it would kill Social Security within a few months as soon as funding was cut off, condemning millions of elderly & disabled people to become instantly homeless.
 
JimmyTheHutt
2023-01-27 9:25:25 AM  
No, it's full of inhuman monsters dedicated to crushing anyone different under their bootheel.

And that's EVERY SINGLE REPUBLICAN.  Without fail.  Your grandparents.  Your brother in law.  Your best friend from high school.  If they vote for Republicans, they are okay with people being liquidated in camps in large numbers.
 
TheMarvelousLibertarian
2023-01-27 9:25:54 AM  
Taxes are theft so I guess they support theft by keeping it around.
 
mistahtom
2023-01-27 9:27:23 AM  
Whatever gives specific corporations and rich people more power than the government or citizens
 
The Envoy
2023-01-27 9:28:05 AM  

cryptozoophiliac: You are actually better off in many parts of America being poor and unemployed than being a "working stiff" who makes too much to qualify for help and who has to pay for his own food and medical.


And you're advocating for burying that section of the population in penury.  There have been dozens of studies done on this, go read them, they will more eloquently explain to you why it's a regressive tax that disproportionately impacts the poorest segments of society.
 
Blue_Blazer
2023-01-27 9:32:25 AM  

cryptozoophiliac: The Envoy: cryptozoophiliac: Halfabee64: cryptozoophiliac: Of all the stupid ideas, a national sales tax is hardly the stupidest...only because we are choking our planet with plastic crap we use once or don't even need.

"Economic growth" is cancerous at a certain concentration.

No, it's pretty frickin' stupid.  I can't think of a more regressive tax that disproportionately punishes the poor for buying necessities like food, clothing, and energy, which are at the bottom of a wealthy person's priorities, after buying super yachts, Gulfstreams, Kensington condos, and politicians.

I would agree, except poor people aren't really the ones injured here (until the GOP defunds Medicaid & SSI etc.). They don't have any money to begin with, and many of them receive public aid, food stamps, etc.

It's the upper middle class and those who make a bit too much to qualify for assistance who will hurt the most (I'm taking it for granted that there is no longer a functioning middle class in America...fight me.)

They don't have any money...so further restrict their ability to pay for energy, clothes, petrol etc.?  WTF?  Bury people in penury?  That's moronic and I'm being charitable.

If you've ever actually been poor and on assistance, you know what I mean. Toothpaste you couldn't afford before isn't going to become more affordable because the price went up 15%. Food stamps and medicaid don't cover more than necessities.

You are actually better off in many parts of America being poor and unemployed than being a "working stiff" who makes too much to qualify for help and who has to pay for his own food and medical.

And if the working people can't afford those prices, guess what? Those prices come down or the businesses making the overpriced products go under.


Curse you, Lucky Duck!
 
JokerMattly
2023-01-27 9:32:58 AM  

TheMarvelousLibertarian: Taxes are theft so I guess they support theft by keeping it around.


You'd have been better off remaining a lurker, you parasite.
"I want a civil society but I don't wanna pay for it" is theft too.
 
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